Guest guest Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 Hello List, I went through the postings on ayanamsha question. Dr. Raman's ayanamsha fails on his own chart. Old advise only on the basis of their experience and thousands of charts they have studied, so lets listen to their experience. Lets be open and practical and use the different ayanamshas and see. with best regards, Manoj >subra >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Differnt Dasha systems >Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:18:50 +0200 > >Inder Jit Sahni wrote: > > Dear Noel, > > Because old are > > saturated and will stick to their views, they will look like orthodox. > > Astrology is a very practical science. ........ > > When you will attach yourself to be Disciple , you will remain that , >your > > next birth will be again within his disciple and you will remain in a >well. > > >Dear Inder Jit, > >Excellent answer. > >The testing of dasas and ayanamsas is tough if you try to apply the basic >ideas. >But if you go about it empirically you can get good results with any >system, if >you become skilful! You can cut a potato with all sorts of instruments. You >actually devise your own method, unconsciously change the symbolism to >suit. >Your reasoning will not fit the parameters of other systems, but within >your >system tit is okay! Intuition is the greater part of astrology, I´m afraid. > >We should not remain in wells, as you say. Every teacher or father expects >his >dsciples and children to outdo him in their lives, not stagnate where he >stopped. > >regards >Mani > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 Dear Visti I'm sorry for my slow response, to much work! I wish to thank you for all your hard work. I know you must be busy too! As for young lady I think she can take care of Venus dash problem by regulating her hormones with herbal emmenagogues and building Ojas. As for Saturn dash I'm not sure whether to use nervine sedatives or nervine stimulants. Im, leaning towards nervine stimulants only because there is low energy flow on the left side of her body. i.e.; Weak muscle structure, knee and hip pain. My only concerns are that what if the nervine stimulants actually create a link between the quantum field and the manifestation stage and help to bring the disease into manifestation. Not to mention interfere with her peace of mind. Its been said that hormones are a mobile nerves system, moving and sending information all over the body and we know how to regulate them with herbs and we can even regulate blood pressure; but to regulate energy flow from one side of the body to the other is a little more tricky. You have to take in consideration that what you do to the left will also effect the right; Whether the moon is waxing or waning in regards to the Pingala and the Ida, not to mention her menstrual cycle in it self! I think nervine stimulants and to stress the need for much more time in meditation would be the way to go! With no pressure my good friend I sure would be interested in your opinion! Nervine stimulants or nervine sedatives? Thanks Again and go with God.................Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 Hello Anna, You wrote, <if you would explain your experience re: importance of the star that a planet is- like in my case, Moon is in the star of Mercury, Mercury in the star of Venus, and I am in deb. Moon (Scorpio) dasha, Cancer rising. Your opinion, that I believe would be interesting to everybody, is that wearing pearls makes things worse, because Mercury is in 6th house(and Moon is in it's star), and you would suggest strengthening Mercury(and only trough Mercury strengthening Venus would be possible, if I understood you right?) with green stone> What you are talking is a KP principal and is used by me and many other Astrologers . !1st thing 12th house is not a bad house always. It is an house of loss but a good planet strong here means good investment . Even if you will follow vedic without KP benefic in 12th does not fall short of his expenditures needs. One having strong and benefic 12th house will never feel shortage of money for his deserving and much needed requirements. Now as per KP In your case , it is job which concern you the most at this hour. Job is a matter of 2nd, 6th 10th and 11 house . 4rth is assistance to others 5th is profit to others. 12 th is your loss or investment and 6th is other party loss or investment. A gain to one is loss to another. Now your Moon , your ascendant lord is in your 5th cusp in the star of Mercury, an occupant of 6th and lord of 12th. So Moon is a strong significator of 6th house and 12th house. Moon will give the effects of 6th house and 12th house through 5th and ascendant. Its occupation of 5th prevent you from sickness , inspite of its connection with 6th and 12th. Now read it as 6th(job,enemies, struggle) , 12th(displacement) due to 5th (child, speculation, benefit to husband, or to others) 1st (due to self life, dignity, survival). All these are the major issues , Moon can give. Just fit them in your situation. That is moon can provide you an underpaid job at an out stationed place which you will not like. It gives win to other party with a small loss but to you the main.It is as loosing the battle by removing the legs of another but giving life in the process. So pearls are never beneficial to you even if it is your ascendant lord. Sun as 2nd lord and occupant of 6th (though in rashi it is in 7th house rashi) is a strong significator of 2nd , Ketu is another being in 2nd, but it is in the sub of Jupiter , provides money through husband or research or due to luck or due to parents., not work. Mercury being in the star of Venus is a strong significator of 5th and 11th house. So mercury gives to another and to you also through your labor(Mercury in 6th and ) and through displacement, movement, hospital, social service etc.(all 12th house matters) As Venus moves to 5th cusp (if you know western you will find Venus in 5th cusp using Placidus Cusp method) . Hence strengthing Mercury will increase the significance of Venus. Again it is only good for financial matters to strengthen Mercury. As also it strengthen your 5th house , it may give pleasure to you. As your main period is of Moon and sub is of Venus , sub-sub of Mars or Sun , can provide you a job. Next is Sun , it ensures you a job related with Govt. or semi Govt. in its sub- sub of Mars or Mercury or Venus. I can pin point the date , but it will be quite a labor. So if you will please excuse me and with no further discussion on this. With best wishes , Inder Jit Sahni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Manoj Pathak wrote: > Hello List, > > I went through the postings on ayanamsha question. Dr. Raman's ayanamsha > fails on his own chart. Dear Manoj, A more detailed info of how it fails will be useful. Until recently the position of the moon was always uncertain, let alone parallax! During the times when we calculated positions by hand, the only fairly reliable source was Raphael´s Ephemeris. It gave the positions of the planets and moon every 24 hours. This was far too inaccurate in interpolating. I think that they later also gave 12 hour positions. But even that was not good enough. One really had to take the previous and following periods to get a fair result - a technique hardly ever recognized in India! If India is the home of Vedic astrology, it is also the home of misconceptions and inaccurate charting! No TOB is reliable if referred to sunrise, for the astrological time of sunrise was hardly ever calculated for the local co-ordinates, only read off from a newspaper or panchang made for soe particular place. Great accuracy was not needed, for most so-called "astrologers" read only the rasi chart, for marriages the navamsa. Remember this: consulting an astrologer is not a very serious matter for Indians. They are rarely prepared to pay for the labour! Only a handful of astrologers are consulted by wealthy people, and they delve into the chart. The rest work for a few cents - give only that much info - and learn only enough to do so! Many try to make life easy by resorting to western methods of directions etc.!!!! Raman´s ideas were also based on inaccurate calculations! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Dear Mani, Lets forget the Computation methods, which can be a matter of long debate. The home of hindu astrology, dont call it vedic, as Vedas contain no astrology (predictive) what it contains is only mundane and muhurta. Prepare, Dr. Raman's Navamsha and Saptamsha and see that the birth of his own children is not explainable by using his ayanamsha. Indians take astrology very seriously. There are always a varied set of people in society. Even in west, when we have a set of people who are turning to holistic way of life, we have a large set who are still interested in knowing about relationships and their sex lives. In one breath, they ask for spiritual leanings in their chart and immediately they ask for their future in relationships etc. So, lets forget it. They exist and shall continue to exist for time immemorial. Lets adopt an ayanamsha which answers our needs and I think, Lahiri is the best so far, answering to most of my needs. with best regards, Manoj >subra >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Differnt Dasha systems >Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:49:52 +0200 > >Manoj Pathak wrote: > > Hello List, > > > > I went through the postings on ayanamsha question. Dr. Raman's ayanamsha > > fails on his own chart. > >Dear Manoj, > >A more detailed info of how it fails will be useful. Until recently the >position >of the moon was always uncertain, let alone parallax! During the times when >we >calculated positions by hand, the only fairly reliable source was Raphael´s >Ephemeris. It gave the positions of the planets and moon every 24 hours. >This >was far too inaccurate in interpolating. I think that they later also gave >12 >hour positions. But even that was not good enough. One really had to take >the >previous and following periods to get a fair result - a technique hardly >ever >recognized in India! If India is the home of Vedic astrology, it is also >the >home of misconceptions and inaccurate charting! No TOB is reliable if >referred >to sunrise, for the astrological time of sunrise was hardly ever calculated >for >the local co-ordinates, only read off from a newspaper or panchang made for >soe >particular place. Great accuracy was not needed, for most so-called >"astrologers" read only the rasi chart, for marriages the navamsa. Remember >this: consulting an astrologer is not a very serious matter for Indians. >They >are rarely prepared to pay for the labour! Only a handful of astrologers >are >consulted by wealthy people, and they delve into the chart. The rest work >for a >few cents - give only that much info - and learn only enough to do so! Many >try >to make life easy by resorting to western methods of directions etc.!!!! > >Raman´s ideas were also based on inaccurate calculations! > >regards >Mani > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Manoj Pathak wrote: > Dear Mani, > > Lets forget the Computation methods, which can be a matter of long debate. > The home of hindu astrology, dont call it vedic, as Vedas contain no > astrology (predictive) what it contains is only mundane and muhurta. Dear Manoj, Thank you for writing. We have often differed, often concurred. What binds us is the wish to to get rid of Bullshit! I imagine you are much younger than I am. I left India in 1964, at the age of 30. By then I had travelled pretty extensively in India, was amazed by the differences of culture in the provinces, despite the unity of religion etc. Today this is easy for me to understand, living in Europe, seeing how different Sweden is from Sicily! The differences in india could be first divided as north and south, then as east and west. It was only in 1973 that I could re-visit India. Many of the prejudices had vanished, but the mutual knowledge had not increased. In those days we lived in separate compartments, brahmin, kshatriya, sudra and outcaste. No contact or attempt to understand one another at all. Each community had its own temples, prayers, literature. One knew practically nothing about the other. Even the food and clothing was radically different! A brahmin woman would never buy a sari which had patterns that the tnon-brahmins chose, and vice versa. The common ground was some special dargha - tomb of a moslem saint - or some particular church! Not a temple! In the "eyes" of Allah or Christ they found equality, but not in the eyes of their own Vishnu or Siva or Parvathi! This feeling of difference is gone, but little has been done as yet for mutual inderstanding. This will come, but only with time, cannot be forced. When one group celebrates navarathri in spring and the other in autumn, there is no question of compromise, only respecting or celebrating in spring and again in autumn! since sanatana Dharma says that every individual is his own priest, it makes no difference when one celebrates what! what I underline is the reference to the vedas. Today everything in Sanskrit is called vedic. Whoever has tried to read and understand the actual 4 vedas will be surprised to find that these have hardly any connection with Hinduism as practised today, or with the sastras! The average Englishman cannot understand the epic of Beowulf or even Chaucer´s tales. The vedas are even tougher, knowledge of classical sanskrit is not enough to interpret them, for their gramnar and syntax are different, the objects referred to are often impossible to identify: they were written or composed long long ago.We do not know the connotations. I fully agree with you: the main body of jyothish is not vedic, but post-vedic. This is true of all sastras, inluding ayurveda. In fact I often wonder how all the religious sampradays claim to originate from the vedas. None of the gods woreshipped today was ever mentioned in the vedas, a few like Vishnu had very different meanings. Re ayanamsa: I personally find the Fagan value better for Vimshottari. The chandrahari value could be better, am still trying to compare. As compared to lahiri, these seem to give straightsorward explanations from rasi and navamsa, whereas lahiri often needs support from various vargas. This is only IMHO - not any attempt to convince others. MGBY (May God bless you!) regards Mani > > Prepare, Dr. Raman's Navamsha and Saptamsha and see that the birth of his > own children is not explainable by using his ayanamsha. > > Indians take astrology very seriously. There are always a varied set of > people in society. Even in west, when we have a set of people who are > turning to holistic way of life, we have a large set who are still > interested in knowing about relationships and their sex lives. In one > breath, they ask for spiritual leanings in their chart and immediately they > ask for their future in relationships etc. > > So, lets forget it. They exist and shall continue to exist for time > immemorial. Lets adopt an ayanamsha which answers our needs and I think, > Lahiri is the best so far, answering to most of my needs. > > with best regards, > > Manoj > > > >subra > >gjlist > >gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Differnt Dasha systems > >Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:49:52 +0200 > > > >Manoj Pathak wrote: > > > Hello List, > > > > > > I went through the postings on ayanamsha question. Dr. Raman's ayanamsha > > > fails on his own chart. > > > >Dear Manoj, > > > >A more detailed info of how it fails will be useful. Until recently the > >position > >of the moon was always uncertain, let alone parallax! During the times when > >we > >calculated positions by hand, the only fairly reliable source was Raphael´s > >Ephemeris. It gave the positions of the planets and moon every 24 hours. > >This > >was far too inaccurate in interpolating. I think that they later also gave > >12 > >hour positions. But even that was not good enough. One really had to take > >the > >previous and following periods to get a fair result - a technique hardly > >ever > >recognized in India! If India is the home of Vedic astrology, it is also > >the > >home of misconceptions and inaccurate charting! No TOB is reliable if > >referred > >to sunrise, for the astrological time of sunrise was hardly ever calculated > >for > >the local co-ordinates, only read off from a newspaper or panchang made for > >soe > >particular place. Great accuracy was not needed, for most so-called > >"astrologers" read only the rasi chart, for marriages the navamsa. Remember > >this: consulting an astrologer is not a very serious matter for Indians. > >They > >are rarely prepared to pay for the labour! Only a handful of astrologers > >are > >consulted by wealthy people, and they delve into the chart. The rest work > >for a > >few cents - give only that much info - and learn only enough to do so! Many > >try > >to make life easy by resorting to western methods of directions etc.!!!! > > > >Raman´s ideas were also based on inaccurate calculations! > > > >regards > >Mani > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Dear Mani, You are right when you say that I appear to be much younger than you. Yes, I am. I am trying to turn into the middle group. Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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