Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Hey Curtis: Good to see you back in these parts. As far as the Raman ayanamsha goes, I think KN Rao has looked at it quite a bit and published some of his studies on it. He's very opposed to it. Readers can find reference to it in "The Mystery of Rahu in a Horoscope", in the last chapter. I haven't expermented with Raman's ayanamsha, recognizing that to prove or disprove such a fundamental variable would take a great many cases and a lot of time. I follow Lahiri/Krishnamurti like most other people, partly out of convenience (just about every author except Raman uses Lahiri in their examples) and partly out of respect for the more learned astrologers out there who to it. Chris At 07:20 AM 3/28/01 -0800, you wrote: >A jyotish friend of mine recently suggested that I use the Raman ayanamsa >as he found it to be far more efffective and accurate in terms of timing. > >I have found this to be true. > >Has anyone else experimented with ayanamsas? > >Curtis Burns > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 A jyotish friend of mine recently suggested that I use the Raman ayanamsa as he found it to be far more efffective and accurate in terms of timing. I have found this to be true. Has anyone else experimented with ayanamsas? Curtis Burns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 In a message dated 3/28/2001 2:05:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, ckevill writes: > Out of interest, I wonder if you've checked into parallax correction of the > Moon's position, ie. taking the Moon's position from the location of the > observer rather than as measured from the centre of Earth which is the > current practice. To me, this is a much more burning question as it's a > more logical way to view the Moon and hence, of dasha dates. Having said > that, I don't currently use it although I try to use both positions and > compare dasha dates whenever possible. Dashas can be up to a year off. > Hello, Chris, I do use parallax correction of the moon. Anybody else? Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Curtis: I'm totally in agreement with you on the need for astrologers to be more skeptical. Sometimes, however, it's just too much to bother with. Perhaps we all go through alternating phases of skepticism and orthodoxy. I know I tend towards the skeptical side of things and love challenging people on widely held assumptions. So there's a time for focusing on research, and time for learning to cast and interpret charts. I know I can't really devote myself to charts if I'm spending all my time comparing ayanamshas and what ever else. Just my two cents. Out of interest, I wonder if you've checked into parallax correction of the Moon's position, ie. taking the Moon's position from the location of the observer rather than as measured from the centre of Earth which is the current practice. To me, this is a much more burning question as it's a more logical way to view the Moon and hence, of dasha dates. Having said that, I don't currently use it although I try to use both positions and compare dasha dates whenever possible. Dashas can be up to a year off. I'm curious about your data and your chart "fit" with these different ayanamshas. Perhaps I could take a look at your chart and see how an event or two fits with the different dates. Chris At 09:14 AM 3/28/01 -0800, you wrote: >Yes Chris, that is all well and good. Trust in authorities is a starting >point. Eventually however we need to prove it for ourselves. > >I have tried Raman and have been pleasantly surprised. > >My friend, a bit longer in years with Jyotish, does quite a bit of >research. He has also conferred with David Frawley who concurs on >Raman. He also commented to me that about 99% of vedic astrologers never >do research--they just do what everybody else does. > >I would have never even thought to test the idea except this friend brought >it to may attention. Name me one institution that has a "tradition" that >isn't old, outdated, and mediocre. Coming from the Western tradition, I >can tell you that astrologers are FULL of half-baked, barely passable, and >completely mediocre methods. > >Raman shifts me from Ashvini to Bharani, and brings me to much closer >(albeit not pin-point) accuracy in dasa timing. I have found this to be >true for all my other clients as well. > >What is "research" anyway, a rigorously constructed paper submitted for a >phd. degree, or just the preponderance of results observed over time. > >An astrologer needs to test his ideas, otherwise he is not an >astrologer. I do not know very much about KN Rao but one day I will. I am >sure his word is good. I am ready though to shoot down anyone, out of >respect, who is plainly wrong. > >Mercury squares Pluto today, quintiles Saturn. Anyone else? > >Curtis > >At 09:12 AM 3/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >>Hey Curtis: >> >>Good to see you back in these parts. As far as the Raman ayanamsha goes, I >>think KN Rao has looked at it quite a bit and published some of his studies >>on it. He's very opposed to it. Readers can find reference to it in "The >>Mystery of Rahu in a Horoscope", in the last chapter. I haven't >>expermented with Raman's ayanamsha, recognizing that to prove or disprove >>such a fundamental variable would take a great many cases and a lot of >>time. I follow Lahiri/Krishnamurti like most other people, partly out of >>convenience (just about every author except Raman uses Lahiri in their >>examples) and partly out of respect for the more learned astrologers out >>there who to it. >> >>Chris >> >>At 07:20 AM 3/28/01 -0800, you wrote: >> >A jyotish friend of mine recently suggested that I use the Raman ayanamsa >> >as he found it to be far more efffective and accurate in terms of timing. >> > >> >I have found this to be true. >> > >> >Has anyone else experimented with ayanamsas? >> > >> >Curtis Burns >> > >> > >> > >> >gjlist- >> > >> > >> > >> >Your use of is subject to >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>gjlist- >> >> >> >>Your use of is subject to > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Yes Chris, that is all well and good. Trust in authorities is a starting point. Eventually however we need to prove it for ourselves. I have tried Raman and have been pleasantly surprised. My friend, a bit longer in years with Jyotish, does quite a bit of research. He has also conferred with David Frawley who concurs on Raman. He also commented to me that about 99% of vedic astrologers never do research--they just do what everybody else does. I would have never even thought to test the idea except this friend brought it to may attention. Name me one institution that has a "tradition" that isn't old, outdated, and mediocre. Coming from the Western tradition, I can tell you that astrologers are FULL of half-baked, barely passable, and completely mediocre methods. Raman shifts me from Ashvini to Bharani, and brings me to much closer (albeit not pin-point) accuracy in dasa timing. I have found this to be true for all my other clients as well. What is "research" anyway, a rigorously constructed paper submitted for a phd. degree, or just the preponderance of results observed over time. An astrologer needs to test his ideas, otherwise he is not an astrologer. I do not know very much about KN Rao but one day I will. I am sure his word is good. I am ready though to shoot down anyone, out of respect, who is plainly wrong. Mercury squares Pluto today, quintiles Saturn. Anyone else? Curtis At 09:12 AM 3/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Curtis: > >Good to see you back in these parts. As far as the Raman ayanamsha goes, I >think KN Rao has looked at it quite a bit and published some of his studies >on it. He's very opposed to it. Readers can find reference to it in "The >Mystery of Rahu in a Horoscope", in the last chapter. I haven't >expermented with Raman's ayanamsha, recognizing that to prove or disprove >such a fundamental variable would take a great many cases and a lot of >time. I follow Lahiri/Krishnamurti like most other people, partly out of >convenience (just about every author except Raman uses Lahiri in their >examples) and partly out of respect for the more learned astrologers out >there who to it. > >Chris > >At 07:20 AM 3/28/01 -0800, you wrote: > >A jyotish friend of mine recently suggested that I use the Raman ayanamsa > >as he found it to be far more efffective and accurate in terms of timing. > > > >I have found this to be true. > > > >Has anyone else experimented with ayanamsas? > > > >Curtis Burns > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2001 Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 Curtis Burns wrote: > Sounds good Mani. Fagan seems easy enough to check out. How can I use the > other ayanamsa on GJ then? There does not seem to be a clear way to input > it. > > Curtis Dear Curtis, In the hope that you have GJ 2.2: Open under "preferences" the "ayanamsa preferences". In the "User Defined" section enter as "Date of Alignment" 26 Feb 0233; Enter Rate as 50.25. Next to it, under "Date of Adjustment" you can enter: 01-01-1800 ...21° 47´05" 01-01-1900 ...23° 11´16" click on "Use list also" (NOT "straight line only") Don´t forget to click on OK at the end! Now you can pick this ayanamsa for the chart. BTW: Faga´s and Lahiri`s values also need a bit of correction: Put in new dates of adjustment - Fagan: 01-01 1900 ....23° 20´56" - Lahiri 01-01-1900 ....22° 27´55" Please note that Fagan uses the standard rate of 50.25 secs per year, but Lahiri and others do not! This is a strange situation. I don´t know how accurate astronomical calcs are, but I assume that the star file in Solar Fire is pretty good. The difference between the position one gets for Shaula and 0° Sagittarius on any given date is the Chandrahari ayanamsa. If one takes the difference between Chandrahari and say Lahiri as 43´21", the correct Lahiri value for any date can be found by subtracting the difference from the former. Will be very interested to know how you fare, for this ayanamsa question has been a thorn in my side since 1964, when Raman ran a forum on this subject in his Astrological Magazine under the heading "The Vexed Question of Ayanamsa". I wish I could a complete compilation of all the articles that poured in, for they were written by very eminent astrologers - including Fagan. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 Curtis,You might want to check out the parallax corrected moon position as this could account for the timing difference as much as the difference between Lahiri and Raman.Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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