Different Dasha Systems

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Hello Noel and Visti,

 

I would like to say to Noel, that I like your question, and I think it's worthy.

 

I also want to point out that in and around India, Indian things, Indian

people, ancient Indian scriptures, etc., there is oftn an air of "trust

me", and sometimes very heavy things are said around astrological rules,

and the person or book finishes with "and this will never go wrong".

 

"Only this way is the right way" etc...

 

I am eager to hear how Visti harmonizes all dasha systems. That will be

interesting to watch.

 

My own answer to you Noel is this:

 

I have been watching multiple dasha systems a bit for myself for awhile.

Now I feel like I'm in your boat. I mean, I don't have any information

really about how to really use the dashas or the varga charts. I mean,

not clear information I feel. Different books say different little

hints, and some folks say hints, but I haven't seen clear and definite

directives on these two important parts of Jyotish in a single large or

complete reference on the matter, in a classic. Somewhat in newer books,

but then you wonder, where'd they get their information?

 

Then there's Sampradayas, which we haven't seen much at all in Jyotish

in many years. Now there seems to be one operating, and touching the

West. We'll see what comes of that in the long run. So far seems

promising. Much of the info and energy on this list comes from one.

 

But I think you have a legitimite question in other words.

 

One thing perhaps that may come of this is that perhaps dashas tend to

apply selectively to parts of life, while Vimshottari perhaps is the

widest coverage. I personally have seen alot of lineups for myself in

yogini dasha.

 

Take for example that one, I saw somewhere that Yogini deals more so

with troubles.

 

So perhaps in this way, by application, they can be somewhat separated.

 

Books and Sampradayas should help us out here. This kind of thing should

not at all be speculated. This should be a part of revelation more so,

or discovery through research, that's also valid.

 

I hate to say it Noel but we are mostly students here. Jyotish has not

come that far in the West yet. Unfortunately you are on the (b)leading

edge of discovery. There's no 1-800-Jyotish-Answers line unfortunately.

Not one you can always know for sure is right.

 

Jyotish helps point the way at this point, that's for sure. For example,

Saturn and Venus dashas you mentioned, in one persons chart. Well, at

least you've narrowed it down to two planets to focus on. Think about

that. It's been narrowed to two out of 9. That's helpful in looking at

diseases, herbs, possibilities...

 

I think that another "basic" concept of Dashas is that they are

co-operating simultaneously, but they are on different wavelengths, they

are like swirling rainbows all merging inside us. I can see dashas

sortof in a way, but it's hard to describe.

 

So anyway, take Yogini, it has a short cycle altogether, so this tells

us something about it more...for one thing, that it's periods repeat

often in life, moreso than other dashas. You go through generally two

whole Yogini cycles in life at least, some people do three, since the

whole thing is 36 years.

 

So OK, 36 is when Saturn matures, and also when people begin midlife

crisis slowly but surely, and when they grow up significantly.

 

It's kindof like, by 36, one whole Yogini cycle, you've been friend a

bit. Experienced.

 

But that's just a couple Vimshottari Mahadashas.

 

So I think one could say Vimshottari is more about big karmas, and

Yogini is about smaller things. I might be getting somewhere here.

 

I cannot personally yet relate to Kalachakra or Astottari, but I sure do

appreciate the number 108 very much.

 

I'm trying to digest this a bit myself these days as I just added the

conditionals and kalachakra to the coming version, and I've been working

on dasha windows, dasha printing, dasha merging, multiple dashas side by

side with life events, etc., and so I've been seeing the differences. In

fact, I have it in the new program that one way to look at the dashas is

in those colored planet balls form- this way you get this colorful

cascading list of balls going down the screen in the obvious colors of

the planets, and when you do this say for 4 levels of 6 dasha systems

all closely side by side, you get like a wash of colors.

 

My personal wash at this time in a bunch of systems is predominantly

Saturn Mars Rahu. Kindof tough times. The screen is all Red Blue and

Brown. Not visible are very abundant yellows, greens, and pinks. That's

what I want to see. Jupiter, Venus, Mercury.

 

Anyway... I'll just have to suffer out my karma. Could somebody pass me

the bowl of flawless large yellow saphires please.

 

Well, I don't have much to say on this. I await Sampradayic and

Scriptural comments to be found and shared by others.

 

(Sampradaya means "disciplic succession", referring to that situation

where there's a Guru, coming in a line of teachers for some time, from

old times in India usually, and it's implied that what's being taught is

what was passed down, without speculative changes being made- "as it is")

 

Cheers,

 

Raghu Goravani

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Das Goravani wrote:

>

> Hello Noel and Visti,

>

> I would like to say to Noel, that I like your question, and I think it's

> worthy.

>

> I also want to point out that in and around India, Indian things, Indian

> people, ancient Indian scriptures, etc., there is oftn an air of "trust

> me", and sometimes very heavy things are said around astrological rules,

> and the person or book finishes with "and this will never go wrong".

>

> "Only this way is the right way" etc...

>

>

> Then there's Sampradayas, which we haven't seen much at all in Jyotish

> in many years. Now there seems to be one operating, and touching the

> West.

> Take for example that one, I saw somewhere that Yogini deals more so

> with troubles.

>

> So perhaps in this way, by application, they can be somewhat separated.

>

> Books and Sampradayas should help us out here. This kind of thing should

> not at all be speculated. This should be a part of revelation more so,

> or discovery through research, that's also valid.

>

> I hate to say it Noel but we are mostly students here.

 

Dear Raghu,

 

Thanks for your very honest letter!

 

Alan Leo, a great western astrologer, as well as Sepharial, Fagan and Firebrace

always insisted that we are all STUDENTS, not PROFESSORS! And Raghu, don´t

"hate" to say it! We are only trying to understand the laws made by Vasudeva

Krishna, the dark unfathomable protector of all lives! The more we learn, the

more the UNKNOWN. Every answer opens up new questions!

 

What counts is not getting all the answers, BUT IN ASKING THEM! As long as we

seek, God is sure that his children are on the right path!

 

I too have very little direct knowledge about dasas. But I see them as "cycles

within cycles". By western techniques I see that the various "return charts"

reveal, each one, a particular aspect: none ALL aspects! Like the vargas.

 

As to Indian books: we have to see them objectively. They are theses, each

author claims to have found the absolute truth. But this is impossible. When we

envisage under what conditions they cast their charts etc., we can only say, "It

is based on the aouthor´s experience." Considering that the population was

extremely low compared to our times, the statistical value of the ancient texts

is very low! How many charts could a person cast and interpret in those days?

One was limited to the population of a village or town, no GJLIST to get info.

 

So much is claimed to be "REVEALED" info. But did God or the angels reveal

everything fo all eternity? NO! It was only for that person and period. Warnings

against nake-bite and elephants have no meaning today. False injections and

heavy trucks may replace these dangers! But we must be cautious of the sources.

Hundreds of books appear every year on every subject, but how many are really

worth studying? Western astrologers have written tons of literature on

sun-signs, psychology etc. Bla-bla-bla. Change the names of the signs carefully

and give them to the public: people will still be convinced that the sun-signs

"show" their life and character! The reading for leo, but now called

sagittarius, will strike a chord! What if centuries later only such books

survive? Will they be "authoritative"?.... Most of Indian literature was lost

2000 years ago and a great deal of the rest 800 years ago. We have only

fragments of the best books! AND THE ORAL TEACHING - AND COMMENTARIES - WHICH

WERE PART OF THE INSTRUCTIONS, ARE LOST! We are all still struggling with "sign"

or "house" lordships when interpreting. Who can say that the sign is meant,

when the concept of houses was apparently in vogue as well? When did Sripathi

live, was he dumb coot or an upstart without any real knowledge? His writings

have survived - at least the method - are read, but neglected! WHY?

 

We are trying to put pieces of a jigsaw puzzle together, have 300 pieces of a

puzzle that originally consisted of a 1000 pieces! We may hope that our 300 fit

together to give a corner, but many may be from other parts of the picture and

cannot be fitted at all!

 

The different dasa systems, as Raghu said, may apply to different aspects. But

it also shows that none of the "authorities" was satisfied with any one system,

that they were constantly experimenting to find better ways to interpret - AND

PREDICT! The language of all the books shows that PREDICTION was the main aim,

not so much interpretation. Whereas western astrologers go on the basis of

free-will, analysis of "character" and possibilities of improvement, jyothish

talks more about "traits", "dangers" and "fate". Improvement is by using

remedies, which rarely involve "understanding" and effort to overcome, but in

"propitiation". Even good deeds, meant to break the ego and increase the desire

to share, become ritualized, like giving cows to brahmins - and feeling good

about it! The idea of penitance, wishing to get to a higher level of existence

is lacking. MOST OF YOU WESTERNERS PRACTICING JYOTHISH BRING IN RELIGION AND

PHILOSOPHY RIGHTLY. BUT IF ONE READS THE TEXTS OF VARAHAMIRA ETC. ONE IS LEFT

WITH AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF BANALITY! Everything is seen from a MATERIAL point of

view. Even if prayer is advised, The Supreme Being is rarely mentioned, it is

only praying to the grahas! How to have a "good, rich and successful" life is

the theme, almost never anything about learning the lessons of life!... THESE

ASPECTS WERE NOT WRITTEN BUT TAUGHT ORALLY - THE BOOKS WERE ONLY FOR REFERENCE,

NOT COMPLETE TEXT BOOKS FROM WHICH ONE COULD LEARN EVERYTHING!

 

Once more, God bless you, Raghu!

 

regards

Mani