Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 Pranaam Pursottam, I am very impressed at your reading below, especially since there are quite a few similarities with my own chart - I have the same Scorpio ascendant with debilitated moon, but my Saturn is in the 5th and not 4th and I have a similar "traffic jam" but in the 9th instead of 8th - and I am _very_ different from that native. So I thought maybe a comparative reading of my chart may be of benefit to the members, if you have time. My birth details are as follows: Aug. 23, 1966, 3:51pm (4h East of GMT), 44E30, 40N11 Vahe Ganapetyan gjlist, "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia> wrote: > Om Krishnaaya Namah > > Hi Shane, > > > everything to make predictions as accurate as you read about. Is > > there some set way of going about it you could demonstrate to me? > > Could anybody practically demonstrate these methods on the following > > chart of somebody I know (not me)? Thanks. > > The blending bit is the bit where every astrologer probably finds problems. > It's one thing to note down all the aspects and strength's etc. and another > to translate these to real life manifestations. This is the one single area > which we're all trying to achieve perfection, for I doubt that even a pro > can guarantee 100% accuracy. I'm not a pro, but here's my approach and tips, > FWIW, and after that I'll go through the chart you gave. > > The first thing to understand is that in studying the heavens, we are > studying God's art. It is said that art tells something about the artist, > and in this case we're therefore trying to understand God's mind. This > undoubtedly must be difficult. Therefore, activities which (re) establish > ones relationship with God will also help one's practise of astrology. > Therefore, whatever your understanding of God may be, undertaking spiritual > practices in that framework will help. In the Vedic tradition, the most > important of such practises in the Kali Yuga is the chanting of God's Holy > Names. Also important is general good living and particularly, honesty. > Astrologers try to achieve vak siddhi, perfection of speech, whereby > whatever one says is true. Therefore deliberately avoiding lying is > important. > > Since Jyotish is a Vedic science, which hopefully you will soon realise is > very effective, it is important to understand other Vedic philosophy. Even > if you don't study any other Vedic scripture, read the Bhagavad- Gita. This > is especially important, because it is pretty much the first scripture which > essentially records the first conversation between God, the Supreme, and an > ordinary man in his normal job face-to face, with no middleman. It > summarises Vedic philosophy. > > Now, moving directly to Jyotish, firstly don't read the BPHS to start with. > The BPHS is a conversation between a very spiritually advanced Sage, and his > very spiritually advanced disciple. His spiritually advanced disciple would > have grown up with these things around him, and therefore would have had > some idea of the subject matter. No current translation of this great > classic gives you all the information in a way you can learn from scratch. > Therefore start learning the signs, the planets, the houses and the > planetary aspects. Then learn the Vimshottari Dashas. Some yoga's will also > do nicely. If you can understand these concepts, then later you can move to > Varga's, sign aspects, chara karaka's, other dasha's etc. and learning these > will be much easier and will refine your interpretations. The best book to > start with is Hart deFouw's "Light on Life". > > Now here's a suggested approach to a chart, using just the basics mentioned > above. First, try to get an understanding of the person you are dealing with > i.e. how they see things and how their mind works. To do this see which > planets are strong, which are weak, and which of these influence the Lagna > or Moon, along with the Lagna sign itself. The strong planets will show > their positive characteristics, while the weak will show their negative > sides. > > Now look for Yogas. First just see the general Raja, Dhana, Arishta etc. > yogas. And make sure analyse the strength of these. The more of these yoga's > there are, the more you know about the likely course of the person's life. > Then see some of the specific yoga's e.g. Ashubha Mala, Chandra- Mangala, > Kala-Sarpa, Lakshmi etc. You get a better idea of the person's destiny, and > also the (in)auspiciousness and importance of a planet, depending on how > many Yoga's it participates in. > > Now go house to house, analysing each house in terms of occupants, aspects > to it, and also do the same to it's Lord and the karaka. Then come's the fun > bit - now you can try blending all that to make a story of a person's > life.:-) > > Having done all the houses and having understood (to some extent) the kind > of karma's in the chart, you then get the fun and riveting job of timing the > ripening of these karmas, through the Dasha's. Crosschecking dashas with > transits is good, and deFouw covers that in a basic way. That's how it's all > meant to work.in theory. > > The practise is just a little more difficult :-) Let's now take the chart > you have given. > > First off let me say that what has been given is in-fact rather inadequate > for a good reading. At least the Vimshottari Dashas and the Navamsha should > be given. But since this is more about trying to get some sort of fixed > methodology for reading a chart (this is actually impossible as things will > eventually jump out at you), I'll go through the above steps (this paragraph > is of course my way of saying don't blame me for bad interpretations :-)) > > OK, so we have a major traffic jam in the eighth and furthermore Scorpio is > rising with the Moon in it, suggesting an extremely strong interest in Death > and the occult, such as tarot, astrology, runes etc. That Venus conjoins an > exalted Rahu in the eighth, in association with the eighth Lord supports > this interpretation and also suggests an extremely high level of passion, > and a very sexually motivated person. This is also a secretive person, who' > ll do anything to keep secrets but will also put in effort trying to get at > others secrets. Some other general traits of Scorpio which are confirmed > elsewhere are that the person may have problems in their relationship with > their parents, and may have a heterodox view on religious matters, rejecting > traditional ideas. Strong ambitions, which are unsatisfied at their place of > birth, so they may travel. There is the occupation of a weak moon which > makes a person rather fickle, and also there is an aspect of a powerful > Mars, which gives strength, boldness and goal-focused energy, but also makes > the person rash, irritable and aggressive. Combining this with the fickle > Moon we see a person who may get frustrated and irritated very easily, and > the expressions of this may be rather nasty, but they calm down just as > quickly. In trying to fulfil ambitions, they'll put in all that is > necessary. > > Now we go to the more predictive side. There's no major raja etc. yoga's, > suggesting an ordinary person.duh! Shasha Yoga of the Pancha Mahapurusha > Yogas turns up and of the "miscellaneous yogas", we see some partially > completed - Shakata - suggesting many up's and down's, a Dur Yoga (the weak > tenth one) - showing general difficulties in career, perhaps a sort- of > Kemadruma - again giving just general difficulties, as it's not a fully > fledged Kemadruma. On a more positive note, we see nice combinations like > Viparita Raja Yoga, showing a sudden rise in life and a partial Budhaditya > showing intelligence. We get the picture of quite an intelligent person, > whose life filled be filled with major "ups and downs", and while the > successful times maybe very enjoyable, the difficult times will also be very > bad. (Actually there's a lot more to Yogas, but I ain't got a lot of time > now). Now we got to the houses. The first house is aspected by it's own lord > and Saturn. It is occupied by a weak but beneficial Moon. Generally one > might say that the native's health is good and stable. However, the Moon is > in the Lagna, debilitated and aspected by two natural malefics, therefore > some lunar health problems perhaps associated with the lungs and breathing, > such as asthma or bronchitis may be present. > > Moving on two house number two - wealth, family, eyesight etc. - Occupied by > Ketu, but aspected by the three natural benefics, Venus, Mercury and it's > Lord Jupiter (who occupies the (sixth) suggests that while there may be > problems in wealth sometimes, esp. debt (the sixth), there is a lot of > wealth and any problems will be under control. With regards to family, Ketu' > s presence suggests "something weird", but considering all the benefic > influences, and the fact that Ketu is strong in Sagittarius appears to > suggest that there will be eventual family happiness. Ketu, however is not > so good for the health, and in the second, may influence the eyesight (esp. > the right eye). As the Lord of the second is in the sixth of disease > (aspected by Saturn), and the Sun is in the eighth conjunct the Rahu and the > eighth and twelfth Lords, it seems as if there may be defects in Vision. > > Third House.aspected by none, it's Lord strong in the fourth, it's karaka > Mars strong in the seventh, suggests that the native will have younger > siblings, and will also have many short journeys in life. It also suggests > the native is very confident and makes one rather bold and outgoing. They > don't put with something they don't want to put up with. Younger siblings > are probably male, mainly due to the lack of feminine influences. As Mercury > is strong (and participating in a Viparita Raja Yoga), there is brilliant > writing ability, as well as general communication abilities. > > The fourth.Saturn in own sign, aspected by Rahu shows a working class > background, and a very traditional strict family. As mentioned, the native > may rebel against traditional religious values etc. they were brought up > with in childhood. However the fact that both Lords of the fourth are > strong, and Venus participates in a Viparita Raja Yoga with it's friend > Mercury, suggests a lot of material luxuries.big homes, nice cars etc. The > Moon's extreme weakness and the strength of the fourth Lords suggests a > healthy and long-lived mother, but the native's own relationship with their > mother may have problems. > > The fifth has no aspects, but it's Lord (and karaka) Jupiter is in the sixth > aspected by Saturn, and this suggests problems in the kids department. There > is a huge sex-drive indicated in this chart (as I'll elaborate on soon), yet > it appears as if the native either won't have kids till later on in life, or > may not have them at all (which is what I'd bet based on just what my mind > pushes me to.call it intuition. Perhaps that's the weird Ketu in the > second). > > The sixth.Occupied by Jupiter, aspected by Saturn (into debilitation sign), > while it's Lord Mars is pretty strong. Saturn suggests that there may be > problems with minor diseases, but the benefic factors suggest nothing > serious, and conquering enemies and other wonderful defeats of the bad > things the sixth represents. > > The seventh is occupied by a strong Mars (Kuja Dosha), hemmed-in between > benefics, while the Lord is quite strong in the eighth.where shall I start? > The first Lord in the seventh suggests foreign travel and residence. This is > supported by the fact that the seventh and twelfth Lord Venus conjoins a > very strong Rahu, in the eighth (with the tenth Lord - career develops in > foreign places). Also strong eleventh Lord - gains in foreign places. So > perhaps the native will live somewhere foreign. > > Mars in the seventh in Taurus, seventh Lord Venus in Gemini in the eighth > with Rahu and the Lord of the eighth and twelfth, Scorpio Moon and Lagna.It > all adds upto a really, really highly sexed person. Very passionate. Strong > Mars in the seventh suggests that relationships may be problematic, and > partners may be bossy and masculine, like the native. This could potentially > lead to spouses feeling as if their individuality is submerged (add in the > Scorpio). So there are some difficulties there. But, other strengths of the > seventh suggest eventual happiness in relationships. The Lord of the > seventh, also karaka Venus conjunct Rahu in the eighth suggests a foreign > spouse. (As a side note, it is interesting to find that homosexual people's > charts also tend to show highly passionate tendencies, with Rahu strongly > influencing the relationship factors - seventh, Lord and karaka). > > Strong eighth emphasis as mentioned gives a very lusty person, with an > interest in the occult. Strong eighth Lord and Saturn suggests good > longevity. > > Ninth Lord very weak, coupled with the other factors mentioned suggests a > religious deviant, with no respect for their religion, leaders etc. Also as > the karaka for the father, the Sun is in the eighth, conjunct eighth Lord > and Rahu, at best the father may have been very sickly, or more likely, may > have died relatively early. > > And on you go. > > I'm out of time now, but I really hope this has helped, not just you but > also anybody feeling lost. To get into timing, you'd get into dasha's and > transits, perhaps something we could discuss later, but for now, hopefully > you can start on some charts. > > Let me know how wrong I've gone! > > Thanks, > > Pursottam > > P.S. Hope everybody had a nice Holi and Gaura Purnima yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2001 Report Share Posted March 17, 2001 Om Krishnaaya Namah Hello Vahe, > and I am _very_ different from that native. So I thought maybe a > comparative reading of my chart may be of benefit to the members, if > you have time. My birth details are as follows: Thanks for your mail and data. Unfortunately I'm a bit pressed fot time at the moment and in any case, doing a comparative reading would kinda be cheating on my part - I know a bit about you from other lists! But Thanks again, Pursottam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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