slaughter/rape of plants/astrology

[Guest guest]

Pursottam schrieb:

> Om Krishnaaya Namah

>

> Hello Everybody,

>

> > movement in 1970, I once went to a slaughter house to see, feel,

> > smell, and

> > in other ways have firsthand experience of what the animals

> > experienced. No, this is not the same as picking fruit from a tree, and

>

> Exactly. Anybody who doesn't feel anything from words should try visiting a

> slaughterhouse. I personally can't stand meat at all, anywhere, but the

> Vegetarian Society once brought a Video with a lot of secret filming to our

> school, and it was absolutely unbelievable. Having been brought in dreadful

> conditions, the animals could be seen screaming, crying, running, panicking

> and just trying to get away. Their murderers would sometimes kick them

> violently back to place. Their pain, both physical and mental before they're

> about to slaughtered must be unimaginable.

 

Hi!

 

Very true! But it is enough to visit a modern farm to see under what cruel

conditions the animals are kept and raised! One would expect that it would

convert people. Does it?

 

The sight of horror and cruelty affects some, not all!

 

When I was 10 years old my mother took me to visit the Kali temple in calcutta.

We were new to the place and had no knowledge of North indian or bengali

customs. We were filled with horror: There was Kali with a foot-long red tongue

hanging out of her mouth, "letching for blood"! The entire area was covered with

the blood of sacrificed animals, crowds of people were waiting there for the

priest to kill the poor beasts they had brought as offering, the creatures were

in a state of terror. To enter the sanctuary you had to walk on slippery blood,

red footprints were all around. The stench was terrible in spite of all the

incense. We ran away. But the Bengali worshippers were filled with devotion to

Kalimata, their faces reflected satisfaction, they were not vegetarians!

 

Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Swami Vivekananda were devotees of the same

Kalimata! I do not know if they ever raised a voice against the practices at

kalighat!

 

Animals in terror in a slaughterhose.... What of Yugoslavia? Men, women and

children in the same situation. Was there compassion? Even some of the US troops

sent to stop that slaughter took part in it!!! Thinking it was their "duty"!!!

 

There has been enough cruelty perpetrated in the world for all of us to learn

from. Enough historical records, stories and movies too. I know how much damage

an atom bomb causes, don´t have to make one and throw it on New York to learn!

Yet we do not learn, have to be born again and again. WHY?

 

My previous mail, intended not to exclude animals from our compassion and love,

but to plead for inclusion of plants and vegetables into the category of

creatures to love and respect, was misunderstood.

 

We may lie on a lovely beach, watching the peaceful play of the water. It looks

idyllic. Because we are unaware of the terrible struggle for existence in the

water, in the sand. If we had eyes that are microscopes and could look deeper we

woud see Jurassic Park only a couple of inches deeper than the surface,

terrible-looking denizens preying on one another. In the water fish swallowing

fish, anemones feeding on all that comes within reach! Unaware of all this, we

enjoy the peace.

 

The birth chart determines whether a person is sensitive or not, reflects over

things and learns or not! Some things have to be learned personally. "Don´t

touch the hot oven!" is a lesson without meaning until the child does put its

finger on the hotplate and gets burnt! No amount of intellectual knowledge or

reflection is as convincing as being burnt!

 

Plants are grown today in hothouses, fed with terrible fertilizers, with

artificial lights to simulate day and night at 6-hour intervals. This is RAPE.

Everything is grown to survive transport. Potatoes and tomatoes are grown to be

"resistant", can be hardly cut or cooked. They look lovely, taste like water! We

see all this, but do we change the conditions - or ourselves?

 

The pleaa for sattwic food was great. Can you get it? Does it really help? Some

of the most vituperative letters on the list - I am not referring to those

against me but on astrological matters - have come from those who advocate and

presumably consume only satwic food! Is that logical? Should not these persons

keep their eqilibrium better, show more tolerance for the views of others? Was

it not this aggressive "defense" of "truth" that led Moslems to destroy the

culture of India, the Christians to destroy the culture of the Americas? How

much of truth does anyone understand to ram it down others´throats.

 

Habits and observances are more symptoms than causes. A person´s chart shows

what he is, what he has come for and in what ways he can fulfil his task- and

also what his habits will be!.

The soul occupies the body, both live in symbiosis, use each other, but each for

its own purpose. The chief aim of the body is to keep alive and to reproduce.

That is why hunger for food and sex are so difficult to keep under control! The

aim of the soul is to learn. At the symbiotic level the body defends itself and

uses the soul to help it by its intelligence, for the body is not sapient. The

soul fears loss of its body - its house and instrument for acting - and helps.

Separately, however, the body is not bothered about whether the soul learns or

not; the soul is not concerned with the the "improvement" of the body, only

wants it to work. ( unless, of course, if one is a body-builder!)

 

The thesis that "what you eat is what you are" is not really true. You are what

you came with, what you desire to be and how much of this you achieve. Your

freedom is limited to what you learn, perhaps how you learn. The chart

determines whether you will eat meat or not, be tolerant and gentle or

aggressive. The two factors are independent, one refers to the body, the other

to the soul. In the same way even Rishis could not control their sexual lust, in

spite of their spirituality.

 

This conflict between bodily desires and spiritual aspiration has not been

tesolved by the Creator as yet. Spirituality means only one thing: unlimited

love for all fellow-beings and the Creator. The experiment of creation is still

in progress. Already there are people who live without food. Sex has not been

conquered as yet. There may be worlds where this too has been achieved. This

world too may reach that stage of perfection. But thare are problems:

 

- can all life be nourished only by the light of the sun?

- when all creatures are perfect, what keeps their "interest" alive? Apathy

would be "death"!

 

If you have ideas as how to solve these problems, send them to the Creator! I am

sure He will appreciate at least your efforts to help!

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

Dear Mani,

 

Many thanks for your wonderfully insightful post. Your inherent wisdom is

refreshing....

Yes! one's ability, or one's struggle to conform to strict vegetarianism is

determined at birth and reflected in the horoscope.

 

For many, many years (most of Saturn dasa) I was a strict vegetarian,

abstaining also from onions, garlic, mushrooms, peanuts, etc...like Robert I

was an accomplished vegetarian cook. However, for a myriad of reasons, I

have found it impossible to maintain (over the last few years) and have

reverted to the traditional English food of my upbringing.

 

The transition from traditional eating to vegetarian was easy, but the

transition back to the food of my culture was tough (due to the guilt factor

of eating meat). For a long time my poor husband was forced to survive on

little more than sandwiches, until slowly I started cooking decent meals

again...but it was hard! Made (unnecessarily) harder by the postulating of

those who insist on forcing their doctrine on others.

 

It is said that the 2nd house determines the type of foods one will partake

of and (as I think Robert might have mentioned) fiery planets influencing

that house denotes partaking of meat.

 

For me with strong Sun (combusting Venus) in 8th and aspecting 2nd, the

partaking of meat is determined. And so I've found that over the last few

years, first Venus bhukti, now Sun bhukti, this has been my reality.

 

It's been a long time since society condemned homosexuality etc...certainly

I was one of the greatest opponents of what I thought to be sinful

behaviour...now, due to my knowledge of jyotish, I no longer judge anyone

for their karma...knowing (like you Mani) that the Soul is NOT THE BODY.

 

I firmly believe that enlightenment and religion are two entirely different

things...wars are perpetrated by the religious zealot...just look at the

mini wars that go on here from time to time.

 

Regards to all

Wendy

 

Mani wrote

==========

Plants are grown today in hothouses, fed with terrible fertilizers, with

artificial lights to simulate day and night at 6-hour intervals. This is

RAPE.

Everything is grown to survive transport. Potatoes and tomatoes are grown to

be

"resistant", can be hardly cut or cooked. They look lovely, taste like

water! We

see all this, but do we change the conditions - or ourselves?

 

The pleaa for sattwic food was great. Can you get it? Does it really help?

Some

of the most vituperative letters on the list - I am not referring to those

against me but on astrological matters - have come from those who advocate

and

presumably consume only satwic food! Is that logical? Should not these

persons

keep their eqilibrium better, show more tolerance for the views of others?

Was

it not this aggressive "defense" of "truth" that led Moslems to destroy the

culture of India, the Christians to destroy the culture of the Americas? How

much of truth does anyone understand to ram it down others´throats.

 

Habits and observances are more symptoms than causes. A person´s chart shows

what he is, what he has come for and in what ways he can fulfil his task-

and

also what his habits will be!.

The soul occupies the body, both live in symbiosis, use each other, but each

for

its own purpose. The chief aim of the body is to keep alive and to

reproduce.

That is why hunger for food and sex are so difficult to keep under control!

The

aim of the soul is to learn. At the symbiotic level the body defends itself

and

uses the soul to help it by its intelligence, for the body is not sapient.

The

soul fears loss of its body - its house and instrument for acting - and

helps.

Separately, however, the body is not bothered about whether the soul learns

or

not; the soul is not concerned with the the "improvement" of the body, only

wants it to work. ( unless, of course, if one is a body-builder!)

 

The thesis that "what you eat is what you are" is not really true. You are

what

you came with, what you desire to be and how much of this you achieve. Your

freedom is limited to what you learn, perhaps how you learn. The chart

determines whether you will eat meat or not, be tolerant and gentle or

aggressive. The two factors are independent, one refers to the body, the

other

to the soul. In the same way even Rishis could not control their sexual

lust, in

spite of their spirituality.

 

This conflict between bodily desires and spiritual aspiration has not been

tesolved by the Creator as yet. Spirituality means only one thing: unlimited

love for all fellow-beings and the Creator. The experiment of creation is

still

in progress. Already there are people who live without food. Sex has not

been

conquered as yet. There may be worlds where this too has been achieved. This

world too may reach that stage of perfection. But thare are problems:

 

- can all life be nourished only by the light of the sun?

- when all creatures are perfect, what keeps their "interest" alive? Apathy

would be "death"!

 

If you have ideas as how to solve these problems, send them to the Creator!

I am

sure He will appreciate at least your efforts to help!

 

regards

Mani

 

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Saturn's aspect also causes the consumption of Tamasic foods. It

rules dead food, such as preserved food, and meats. I have noticed

that the general relation of malefics to the 2nd cause consumption of

bad food.

 

It is interesting to note that jyotish does not fuly agree with the

quote from the Bible. In this Jesus says something like that it is

not what goes into the body in the way of food, but what comes out

that causes misfortune.

 

Affliction to the 2nd house in general causes unwholesome food to go

in AND unwholesome speech and lies to go out... is there a

correlation?

 

Regards,

 

Alex J

 

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> Dear Mani,

>

> Many thanks for your wonderfully insightful post. Your inherent

wisdom is

> refreshing....

> Yes! one's ability, or one's struggle to conform to strict

vegetarianism is

> determined at birth and reflected in the horoscope.

>

> For many, many years (most of Saturn dasa) I was a strict

vegetarian,

> abstaining also from onions, garlic, mushrooms, peanuts, etc...like

Robert I

> was an accomplished vegetarian cook. However, for a myriad of

reasons, I

> have found it impossible to maintain (over the last few years) and

have

> reverted to the traditional English food of my upbringing.

>

> The transition from traditional eating to vegetarian was easy, but

the

> transition back to the food of my culture was tough (due to the

guilt factor

> of eating meat). For a long time my poor husband was forced to

survive on

> little more than sandwiches, until slowly I started cooking decent

meals

> again...but it was hard! Made (unnecessarily) harder by the

postulating of

> those who insist on forcing their doctrine on others.

>

> It is said that the 2nd house determines the type of foods one will

partake

> of and (as I think Robert might have mentioned) fiery planets

influencing

> that house denotes partaking of meat.

>

> For me with strong Sun (combusting Venus) in 8th and aspecting 2nd,

the

> partaking of meat is determined. And so I've found that over the

last few

> years, first Venus bhukti, now Sun bhukti, this has been my reality.

>

> It's been a long time since society condemned homosexuality

etc...certainly

> I was one of the greatest opponents of what I thought to be sinful

> behaviour...now, due to my knowledge of jyotish, I no longer judge

anyone

> for their karma...knowing (like you Mani) that the Soul is NOT THE

BODY.

>

> I firmly believe that enlightenment and religion are two entirely

different

> things...wars are perpetrated by the religious zealot...just look

at the

> mini wars that go on here from time to time.

>

> Regards to all

> Wendy

>

> Mani wrote

> ==========

> Plants are grown today in hothouses, fed with terrible fertilizers,

with

> artificial lights to simulate day and night at 6-hour intervals.

This is

> RAPE.

> Everything is grown to survive transport. Potatoes and tomatoes are

grown to

> be

> "resistant", can be hardly cut or cooked. They look lovely, taste

like

> water! We

> see all this, but do we change the conditions - or ourselves?

>

> The pleaa for sattwic food was great. Can you get it? Does it

really help?

> Some

> of the most vituperative letters on the list - I am not referring

to those

> against me but on astrological matters - have come from those who

advocate

> and

> presumably consume only satwic food! Is that logical? Should not

these

> persons

> keep their eqilibrium better, show more tolerance for the views of

others?

> Was

> it not this aggressive "defense" of "truth" that led Moslems to

destroy the

> culture of India, the Christians to destroy the culture of the

Americas? How

> much of truth does anyone understand to ram it down others´throats.

>

> Habits and observances are more symptoms than causes. A person´s

chart shows

> what he is, what he has come for and in what ways he can fulfil his

task-

> and

> also what his habits will be!.

> The soul occupies the body, both live in symbiosis, use each other,

but each

> for

> its own purpose. The chief aim of the body is to keep alive and to

> reproduce.

> That is why hunger for food and sex are so difficult to keep under

control!

> The

> aim of the soul is to learn. At the symbiotic level the body

defends itself

> and

> uses the soul to help it by its intelligence, for the body is not

sapient.

> The

> soul fears loss of its body - its house and instrument for acting -

and

> helps.

> Separately, however, the body is not bothered about whether the

soul learns

> or

> not; the soul is not concerned with the the "improvement" of the

body, only

> wants it to work. ( unless, of course, if one is a body-builder!)

>

> The thesis that "what you eat is what you are" is not really true.

You are

> what

> you came with, what you desire to be and how much of this you

achieve. Your

> freedom is limited to what you learn, perhaps how you learn. The

chart

> determines whether you will eat meat or not, be tolerant and gentle

or

> aggressive. The two factors are independent, one refers to the

body, the

> other

> to the soul. In the same way even Rishis could not control their

sexual

> lust, in

> spite of their spirituality.

>

> This conflict between bodily desires and spiritual aspiration has

not been

> tesolved by the Creator as yet. Spirituality means only one thing:

unlimited

> love for all fellow-beings and the Creator. The experiment of

creation is

> still

> in progress. Already there are people who live without food. Sex

has not

> been

> conquered as yet. There may be worlds where this too has been

achieved. This

> world too may reach that stage of perfection. But thare are

problems:

>

> - can all life be nourished only by the light of the sun?

> - when all creatures are perfect, what keeps their "interest"

alive? Apathy

> would be "death"!

>

> If you have ideas as how to solve these problems, send them to the

Creator!

> I am

> sure He will appreciate at least your efforts to help!

>

> regards

> Mani

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

[Guest guest]

Alex Wrote

==========

Affliction to the 2nd house in general causes unwholesome food to go

in AND unwholesome speech and lies to go out... is there a

correlation?

 

Hello Alex,

I think to determine what comes out of the mouth (speech) one needs to

consider the karaka for speech (Mercury).

 

Regards

Wendy

[Guest guest]

Hello Wendy,

 

Excellent point. I agree, and the second house from Mercury must be

considered as well. Also the ascendant must also be looked at to

understand the character of the individual. A very sattvic individual

with an afflicted 2nd house from lagna and Mercury will tend not to

lie, the indications will mean something else, like being a very poor

speaker ot stuttering all the time.

 

Best wishes,

 

Alex J

 

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> Alex Wrote

> ==========

> Affliction to the 2nd house in general causes unwholesome food to go

> in AND unwholesome speech and lies to go out... is there a

> correlation?

>

> Hello Alex,

> I think to determine what comes out of the mouth (speech) one needs

to

> consider the karaka for speech (Mercury).

>

> Regards

> Wendy

[Guest guest]

Alex wrote

==========

Saturn's aspect also causes the consumption of Tamasic foods. It

rules dead food, such as preserved food, and meats. I have noticed

that the general relation of malefics to the 2nd cause consumption of

bad food.

 

Sorry Alex,

But once again I have to disagree with such sweeping generalisations.

Mahatma Ghandi had (yogakaraka) Saturn in 2nd house and I'm fairly certain

he was a vegetarian. I too followed a strict vegetarian diet during 2nd lord

Saturn's dasa...probably because Saturn's dispositor (Mercury) is in 9th

house. I'm also fairly certain that I'll be able to resume a vegetarian diet

again once my Sun bhukti has run it's course.

 

Regards

Wendy

[Guest guest]

Om Krishnaaya Namah

 

Hi Alex,

 

>

> Saturn's aspect also causes the consumption of Tamasic foods. It

> rules dead food, such as preserved food, and meats. I have noticed

 

I disagree. I have a strong Saturn in my second house. But I have been a

vegetarian all my life, and really strictly since I was 12, when I started

phoning and writing to companies, before eating anything new. I don't like

processed foods. I've never been involved in drugs, never smoken a cigarette

and never touched a drop of alcohol. I haven't drunk tea for seven years,

and the only time I've had coffee in this time is when I've needed to stay

awake and alert really late. So Saturn's not damaged my food yet.

 

Perhaps one of the most important things to do in astrology is determine the

person's guna. Most classics devote a chapter or two to this matter. In the

Bhagavad Gita, Lord Sri Krishna explains that the type of food one consumes

is determined by one guna. In my chart, the Lagna is Leo, a sattvik Rasi,

occupied by sattvik Atmakaraka Moon. The Lord of the Lagna, Sattvik Sun goes

into the twelfth, Sattvik Cancer. This Sattvik Parivartana Yoga is joined by

the second Lord Mercury.

 

So I see your general point, but I don't think Saturn in (or aspecting) the

second is enough.

 

Thanks,

 

Pursottam

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

I agree with you completely about guna, also you have to look at

ownership of Saturn, planets aspecting, etc. I can also show you

charts of meat-eaters with Saturn in the 2nd, both kinds exist.

 

Regarding gunas everyone seems to have missed my last email! I too

have just written on guna in regards to 2nd house matters. This can

be expanded to all 2nd house activities, not only speech. Here it is:

 

Excellent point. I agree, and the second house from Mercury must be

considered as well. Also the ascendant must also be looked at to

understand the character of the individual. A very sattvic individual

with an afflicted 2nd house from lagna and Mercury will tend not to

lie, the indications will mean something else, like being a very poor

speaker ot stuttering all the time.

 

Regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

gjlist, "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia> wrote:

> Om Krishnaaya Namah

>

> Hi Alex,

>

> >

> > Saturn's aspect also causes the consumption of Tamasic foods. It

> > rules dead food, such as preserved food, and meats. I have noticed

>

> I disagree. I have a strong Saturn in my second house. But I have

been a

> vegetarian all my life, and really strictly since I was 12, when I

started

> phoning and writing to companies, before eating anything new. I

don't like

> processed foods. I've never been involved in drugs, never smoken a

cigarette

> and never touched a drop of alcohol. I haven't drunk tea for seven

years,

> and the only time I've had coffee in this time is when I've needed

to stay

> awake and alert really late. So Saturn's not damaged my food yet.

>

> Perhaps one of the most important things to do in astrology is

determine the

> person's guna. Most classics devote a chapter or two to this

matter. In the

> Bhagavad Gita, Lord Sri Krishna explains that the type of food one

consumes

> is determined by one guna. In my chart, the Lagna is Leo, a sattvik

Rasi,

> occupied by sattvik Atmakaraka Moon. The Lord of the Lagna, Sattvik

Sun goes

> into the twelfth, Sattvik Cancer. This Sattvik Parivartana Yoga is

joined by

> the second Lord Mercury.

>

> So I see your general point, but I don't think Saturn in (or

aspecting) the

> second is enough.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pursottam

[Guest guest]

Hello Wendy,

 

Thanks for the response! I agree completely, generalizations are no

good at all. I do not believe in them either. Such statements as I

made regarding Saturn in 2nd, or yourself regarding meat consumption

due to fiery planets effect on the 2nd are not the final deciding

factors. I understand that it is just one aspect.

 

There is also a danger in just looking at your own chart and Gandhi's

and making a sweeping generalization that because you two are

vegetarians with Saturn in the 2nd, then that is what Saturn in the

2nd indicates ;-)

 

As Pursottam pointed out the guna of the person is important in

determining the eating habits as well as a host of other things. Also

the ownership of Saturn, the sign it is placed in and the aspects

will change its nature.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Alex J

 

 

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> Alex wrote

> ==========

> Saturn's aspect also causes the consumption of Tamasic foods. It

> rules dead food, such as preserved food, and meats. I have noticed

> that the general relation of malefics to the 2nd cause consumption

of

> bad food.

>

> Sorry Alex,

> But once again I have to disagree with such sweeping

generalisations.

> Mahatma Ghandi had (yogakaraka) Saturn in 2nd house and I'm fairly

certain

> he was a vegetarian. I too followed a strict vegetarian diet during

2nd lord

> Saturn's dasa...probably because Saturn's dispositor (Mercury) is

in 9th

> house. I'm also fairly certain that I'll be able to resume a

vegetarian diet

> again once my Sun bhukti has run it's course.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex,

 

We're certainly in agreement here Alex...no doubt a malefic Saturn in or

aspecting 2nd house will be harmful to the significations of that house, and

I agree with what you say regarding dead food, processed food and meats

etc...however I did emphasize that Ghandi had YOGAKARAKA Saturn in 2nd (a

yogakaraka planet has the power to do good), and in my case I also

emphasised the fact that 2nd lord Saturn's dispositor had gone to 9th house.

 

I wasn't saying that Saturn in 2nd house was ALWAYS beneficial...sorry to

have given that impression Alex...sometimes we just don't choose our words

as carefully as we should :-)

 

Best Regards

Wendy

 

Alex wrote

==========

Hello Wendy,

 

Thanks for the response! I agree completely, generalizations are no

good at all. I do not believe in them either. Such statements as I

made regarding Saturn in 2nd, or yourself regarding meat consumption

due to fiery planets effect on the 2nd are not the final deciding

factors. I understand that it is just one aspect.

 

There is also a danger in just looking at your own chart and Gandhi's

and making a sweeping generalization that because you two are

vegetarians with Saturn in the 2nd, then that is what Saturn in the

2nd indicates ;-)

 

As Pursottam pointed out the guna of the person is important in

determining the eating habits as well as a host of other things. Also

the ownership of Saturn, the sign it is placed in and the aspects

will change its nature.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Alex J

[Guest guest]

Just one more example for your research- I have Kethy in second, in Leo, poor

eater all my life, fruit lover and vegetarian almost a decade. Very choosy re:

food.

Anna

-

Wendy Vasicek

gjlist

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 10:47 AM

RE: [gjlist] Re: slaughter/rape of plants/astrology

 

 

Hi Alex,

 

We're certainly in agreement here Alex...no doubt a malefic Saturn in or

aspecting 2nd house will be harmful to the significations of that house, and

I agree with what you say regarding dead food, processed food and meats

etc...however I did emphasize that Ghandi had YOGAKARAKA Saturn in 2nd (a

yogakaraka planet has the power to do good), and in my case I also

emphasised the fact that 2nd lord Saturn's dispositor had gone to 9th house.

 

I wasn't saying that Saturn in 2nd house was ALWAYS beneficial...sorry to

have given that impression Alex...sometimes we just don't choose our words

as carefully as we should :-)

 

Best Regards

Wendy

 

Alex wrote

==========

Hello Wendy,

 

Thanks for the response! I agree completely, generalizations are no

good at all. I do not believe in them either. Such statements as I

made regarding Saturn in 2nd, or yourself regarding meat consumption

due to fiery planets effect on the 2nd are not the final deciding

factors. I understand that it is just one aspect.

 

There is also a danger in just looking at your own chart and Gandhi's

and making a sweeping generalization that because you two are

vegetarians with Saturn in the 2nd, then that is what Saturn in the

2nd indicates ;-)

 

As Pursottam pointed out the guna of the person is important in

determining the eating habits as well as a host of other things. Also

the ownership of Saturn, the sign it is placed in and the aspects

will change its nature.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello!

It's those darn malefic in the 2nd.

As a 26 year vegetarian I can practically say it is a myth that your body

needs meat. I am enjoying great health. Ounce per ounce cheese, nuts & beans

contain more protein than meat. Milk has all 8 essential amino acids the

body needs and is a complete protein. Here are a few other interesting

scientific facts. The human stomach has about 20th the digestive acids power

as a carnivores & an intestine about 4X the size of a carnivore. Meat is a

corpse & it must be eliminated quickly because it's purification creates

poisonous wastes within the body. This creates a big unnecessary strain on

the kidneys & risk of kidney disease as one gets older. In 1961, The Journal

of the American Medical Association stated that more that 1/2 of the heart

disease deaths could have been prevented by a vegetarian diet. These

findings were supported by findings from the American Heart Association by

their statement that high levels of saturated fat is an essential factor of

heart disease. Further studies show connections between colon cancer & meat

eating. Disease is also passed over to us through the animal because of

improper inspection i.e., Mad Cow Disease.I could go on & on with this

topic. Most of this info I got from the vegetarian cookbook "The Higher

Taste" A Guide to Gourmet Vegetarian Cooking and a Karma-Free Diet. This is

a great book in case anyone on the list is interested in becoming a veggie.

Besides why mess up your Karma? Killing is a sin. Even the Bible says "Thou

shalt not Kill" & in Genesis "Fruit & herbs shall be the food of man". In

Genesis (9:4) "BUT FLESH WITH THE LIFE THEREOF, WHICH IS THE BLOOD THEREOF,

SHALL YE NOT EAT. AND SURELY YOUR BLOOD OF YOUR LIVES WILL I REQUIRE; AT THE

HAND OF EVERY BEAST I WILL REQUIRE IT". Whoa! That last part is talking

about reincarnation. This might be a tough pill to swallow for some but the

principle stated here is if you kill the animal, in your next life he kills

you! Think about that next time eat a big mac or go hunting...

With Regards

manvantara

[Guest guest]

Anna wrote

==========

Just one more example for your research- I have Kethy in second, in Leo,

poor eater all my life, fruit lover and vegetarian almost a decade. Very

choosy re: food.

Anna

 

Hi Anna,

The 2nd house shows the type of foods one may partake of...whether one is a

small or big eater is more to do with appetite...this, along with

preparation of food, is seen from the 6th house.

 

Regards

Wendy

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

Genesis is one of the most interesting of the Bible's books, as it is

according to some the most esoteric. For a proper understanding of

Judeo-Christian religions, this book seems to be the key.

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

gjlist, "manvantara" <manvantara@t...> wrote:

>

> Hello!

> It's those darn malefic in the 2nd.

> As a 26 year vegetarian I can practically say it is a myth that

your body

> needs meat. I am enjoying great health. Ounce per ounce cheese,

nuts & beans

> contain more protein than meat. Milk has all 8 essential amino

acids the

> body needs and is a complete protein. Here are a few other

interesting

> scientific facts. The human stomach has about 20th the digestive

acids power

> as a carnivores & an intestine about 4X the size of a carnivore.

Meat is a

> corpse & it must be eliminated quickly because it's purification

creates

> poisonous wastes within the body. This creates a big unnecessary

strain on

> the kidneys & risk of kidney disease as one gets older. In 1961,

The Journal

> of the American Medical Association stated that more that 1/2 of

the heart

> disease deaths could have been prevented by a vegetarian diet. These

> findings were supported by findings from the American Heart

Association by

> their statement that high levels of saturated fat is an essential

factor of

> heart disease. Further studies show connections between colon

cancer & meat

> eating. Disease is also passed over to us through the animal

because of

> improper inspection i.e., Mad Cow Disease.I could go on & on with

this

> topic. Most of this info I got from the vegetarian cookbook "The

Higher

> Taste" A Guide to Gourmet Vegetarian Cooking and a Karma-Free Diet.

This is

> a great book in case anyone on the list is interested in becoming a

veggie.

> Besides why mess up your Karma? Killing is a sin. Even the Bible

says "Thou

> shalt not Kill" & in Genesis "Fruit & herbs shall be the food of

man". In

> Genesis (9:4) "BUT FLESH WITH THE LIFE THEREOF, WHICH IS THE BLOOD

THEREOF,

> SHALL YE NOT EAT. AND SURELY YOUR BLOOD OF YOUR LIVES WILL I

REQUIRE; AT THE

> HAND OF EVERY BEAST I WILL REQUIRE IT". Whoa! That last part is

talking

> about reincarnation. This might be a tough pill to swallow for some

but the

> principle stated here is if you kill the animal, in your next life

he kills

> you! Think about that next time eat a big mac or go hunting...

> With Regards

> manvantara@t...

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendy,

 

A great point about the 6th house, you are very correct that this

also must be looked at.

 

The 6th house has to do with digestion, and benefics here like

Jupiter reduce the digestive capabilities, while malefics here

greatly increase digestive functions, thereby making the person

gluttonous.

 

The 2nd house has more to do with the desire to eat due to the

pleasure experienced through the mouth. A person can be gluttonous

through this as well if there is much malefic influence.

 

So the worst combination will be Jupiter in the 6th, and heavy

malefic influence on the 2nd, as the person will eat much more than

they can digest, and get unhealthy very quickly.

 

Regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> Anna wrote

> ==========

> Just one more example for your research- I have Kethy in second, in

Leo,

> poor eater all my life, fruit lover and vegetarian almost a decade.

Very

> choosy re: food.

> Anna

>

> Hi Anna,

> The 2nd house shows the type of foods one may partake of...whether

one is a

> small or big eater is more to do with appetite...this, along with

> preparation of food, is seen from the 6th house.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex,

 

What you say is correct, however before deciding on gluttony etc, I think

one needs to consider the condition of 6th lord :-)

 

Robert was absolutely correct in his statement that (restrictive) Saturn in

6th can result in constipation...a lifetime problem I'm sad to say! He was

also correct regarding Jupiter in 6th. My twin sister has exalted Jupiter

Conjunct Rahu in 6th and has suffered type 1 diabetes since her

20's...insulin production is dependent (correct me if I'm wrong) on a

healthy pancreas.

 

Regards to all

Wendy

 

Alex wrote

==========

A great point about the 6th house, you are very correct that this

also must be looked at.

 

The 6th house has to do with digestion, and benefics here like

Jupiter reduce the digestive capabilities, while malefics here

greatly increase digestive functions, thereby making the person

gluttonous.

 

The 2nd house has more to do with the desire to eat due to the

pleasure experienced through the mouth. A person can be gluttonous

through this as well if there is much malefic influence.

 

So the worst combination will be Jupiter in the 6th, and heavy

malefic influence on the 2nd, as the person will eat much more than

they can digest, and get unhealthy very quickly.

 

Regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> Anna wrote

> ==========

> Just one more example for your research- I have Kethy in second, in

Leo,

> poor eater all my life, fruit lover and vegetarian almost a decade.

Very

> choosy re: food.

> Anna

>

> Hi Anna,

> The 2nd house shows the type of foods one may partake of...whether

one is a

> small or big eater is more to do with appetite...this, along with

> preparation of food, is seen from the 6th house.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

 

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex and Wendy.

 

This is very interesting issue to me- having Kethy in Leo, in second house one

would say that I must be voracious eaters:in fact- choosy, poor eater since

childhood, (anorectic my parents would say, (priest insisted that I don't fast-

and fasting is not difficult to me, at all) now I know it's just my nature not

too eat much; secondly, I have Venus and Mercury in 6th, no digestive problems,

never eat very much, not "crazy" about food. I am wondering now how the rest of

the horoscope changed the "expected" picture- I think that Saturn in third,

aspecting my Moon in Sc., is a "culprit'..Jupiter in 9 maybe added something in

"fixing" the pattern? Would like to hear your opinion.

Anna

-

lostinmotion

gjlist

Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:22 AM

[gjlist] Re: slaughter/rape of plants/astrology

 

 

Hi Wendy,

 

A great point about the 6th house, you are very correct that this

also must be looked at.

 

The 6th house has to do with digestion, and benefics here like

Jupiter reduce the digestive capabilities, while malefics here

greatly increase digestive functions, thereby making the person

gluttonous.

 

The 2nd house has more to do with the desire to eat due to the

pleasure experienced through the mouth. A person can be gluttonous

through this as well if there is much malefic influence.

 

So the worst combination will be Jupiter in the 6th, and heavy

malefic influence on the 2nd, as the person will eat much more than

they can digest, and get unhealthy very quickly.

 

Regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> Anna wrote

> ==========

> Just one more example for your research- I have Kethy in second, in

Leo,

> poor eater all my life, fruit lover and vegetarian almost a decade.

Very

> choosy re: food.

> Anna

>

> Hi Anna,

> The 2nd house shows the type of foods one may partake of...whether

one is a

> small or big eater is more to do with appetite...this, along with

> preparation of food, is seen from the 6th house.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Anna,

 

With Ketu in 2nd (in Leo) you would have Cancer rising. In which case

Mercury in 6th would be lord of 12th...12th lord in 6th would result in

"loss" of appetite :-)

 

Regards

Wendy

 

Anna wrote

==========

This is very interesting issue to me- having Kethy in Leo, in second house

one would say that I must be voracious eaters:in fact- choosy, poor eater

since childhood, (anorectic my parents would say, (priest insisted that I

don't fast- and fasting is not difficult to me, at all) now I know it's just

my nature not too eat much; secondly, I have Venus and Mercury in 6th, no

digestive problems, never eat very much, not "crazy" about food. I am

wondering now how the rest of the horoscope changed the "expected" picture-

I think that Saturn in third, aspecting my Moon in Sc., is a

"culprit'..Jupiter in 9 maybe added something in "fixing" the pattern? Would

like to hear your opinion.

Anna

[Guest guest]

hello Anna,

 

Yours is indeed a great chart to use for illustration. The classics

state that malefics in the 6th increase digestive fire, while Jupiter

here decreases it. In your case the two natural benefics have

decreased your digestive fire. Ketu in the 2nd by itself does not

guarantee gluttony. The other planets aspecting and the owner must

also be looked at.

 

Regards,

 

Alex J

 

gjlist, "Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:

> Hi Alex and Wendy.

>

> This is very interesting issue to me- having Kethy in Leo, in

second house one would say that I must be voracious eaters:in fact-

choosy, poor eater since childhood, (anorectic my parents would say,

(priest insisted that I don't fast- and fasting is not difficult to

me, at all) now I know it's just my nature not too eat much;

secondly, I have Venus and Mercury in 6th, no digestive problems,

never eat very much, not "crazy" about food. I am wondering now how

the rest of the horoscope changed the "expected" picture- I think

that Saturn in third, aspecting my Moon in Sc., is

a "culprit'..Jupiter in 9 maybe added something in "fixing" the

pattern? Would like to hear your opinion.

> Anna

> -

> lostinmotion@h...

> gjlist

> Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:22 AM

> [gjlist] Re: slaughter/rape of plants/astrology

>

>

> Hi Wendy,

>

> A great point about the 6th house, you are very correct that this

> also must be looked at.

>

> The 6th house has to do with digestion, and benefics here like

> Jupiter reduce the digestive capabilities, while malefics here

> greatly increase digestive functions, thereby making the person

> gluttonous.

>

> The 2nd house has more to do with the desire to eat due to the

> pleasure experienced through the mouth. A person can be

gluttonous

> through this as well if there is much malefic influence.

>

> So the worst combination will be Jupiter in the 6th, and heavy

> malefic influence on the 2nd, as the person will eat much more

than

> they can digest, and get unhealthy very quickly.

>

> Regards,

>

> Alex J

>

>

>

>

> gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> > Anna wrote

> > ==========

> > Just one more example for your research- I have Kethy in

second, in

> Leo,

> > poor eater all my life, fruit lover and vegetarian almost a

decade.

> Very

> > choosy re: food.

> > Anna

> >

> > Hi Anna,

> > The 2nd house shows the type of foods one may partake

of...whether

> one is a

> > small or big eater is more to do with appetite...this, along

with

> > preparation of food, is seen from the 6th house.

> >

> > Regards

> > Wendy

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you And Robert and appreciate the guidance. Sorry to

hear about your sister. Where is her Venus?

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> Hi Alex,

>

> What you say is correct, however before deciding on gluttony etc, I

think

> one needs to consider the condition of 6th lord :-)

>

> Robert was absolutely correct in his statement that (restrictive)

Saturn in

> 6th can result in constipation...a lifetime problem I'm sad to say!

He was

> also correct regarding Jupiter in 6th. My twin sister has exalted

Jupiter

> Conjunct Rahu in 6th and has suffered type 1 diabetes since her

> 20's...insulin production is dependent (correct me if I'm wrong) on

a

> healthy pancreas.

>

> Regards to all

> Wendy

>

> Alex wrote

> ==========

> A great point about the 6th house, you are very correct that this

> also must be looked at.

>

> The 6th house has to do with digestion, and benefics here like

> Jupiter reduce the digestive capabilities, while malefics here

> greatly increase digestive functions, thereby making the person

> gluttonous.

>

> The 2nd house has more to do with the desire to eat due to the

> pleasure experienced through the mouth. A person can be gluttonous

> through this as well if there is much malefic influence.

>

> So the worst combination will be Jupiter in the 6th, and heavy

> malefic influence on the 2nd, as the person will eat much more than

> they can digest, and get unhealthy very quickly.

>

> Regards,

>

> Alex J

>

>

>

>

> gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> > Anna wrote

> > ==========

> > Just one more example for your research- I have Kethy in second,

in

> Leo,

> > poor eater all my life, fruit lover and vegetarian almost a

decade.

> Very

> > choosy re: food.

> > Anna

> >

> > Hi Anna,

> > The 2nd house shows the type of foods one may partake of...whether

> one is a

> > small or big eater is more to do with appetite...this, along with

> > preparation of food, is seen from the 6th house.

> >

> > Regards

> > Wendy

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex,

 

I seem to be hogging the list a bit at the moment...sorry! But just to

answer your question quickly. My sister has (inimically placed) Venus

combust Sun in 7th (aspecting ascendant). I am type 2 diabetic and I have

the same SU/VE combination in 8th house (chronic illness).

 

Regards

Wendy

 

Alex wrote

==========

I agree with you And Robert and appreciate the guidance. Sorry to

hear about your sister. Where is her Venus?

 

regards,

 

Alex J

[Guest guest]

Just one more (important) element here Alex worthy of contemplation. I have

exalted Jupiter conjunct Rahu and aspecting Capricorn ascendant from 7th

house...I determine my "Prikriti" to be kapha/Vata...diabetes, as I'm sure

you know, is a typical Kapha (imbalance) disease.

 

Insulin production (for me) is there, but the body's ability to handle the

insulin is not great due to (obvious) Kapha imbalance. Trying to balance the

doshas has proved difficult as what pacifies Kapha aggravates Vata, what

pacifies Vata aggravates Kapha...a difficult situation that I haven't yet

managed to get on top of...a real headache!!

 

My twin on the other hand is unable to produce insulin at all due to

Jupiter's position in 6th.

 

Best Regards

Wendy

 

 

Hi Alex,

 

I seem to be hogging the list a bit at the moment...sorry! But just to

answer your question quickly. My sister has (inimically placed) Venus

combust Sun in 7th (aspecting ascendant). I am type 2 diabetic and I have

the same SU/VE combination in 8th house (chronic illness).

 

Regards

Wendy

 

Alex wrote

==========

I agree with you And Robert and appreciate the guidance. Sorry to

hear about your sister. Where is her Venus?

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

whoa--Jupiter in 6th exalted but Rx aspected by Saturn in Libra (Venus conj

Saturn--Aquarius Lg)--severe overproduction of insulin (blood sugar 34 ppm)

since teens w/

gestational diabetes (blood sugar 1800+--they sent me to emergency room,

wouldn't let me see numbers there)

you guys are good

Robin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

Thanks for your efforts and time to answer the questions, share your knowledge,

and for caring about those less knowledgeable than yourself.

 

With sincere appreciation and gratitude,

Anna

-

Wendy Vasicek

gjlist

Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:40 PM

RE: [gjlist] Re: slaughter/rape of plants/astrology

 

 

Hi Anna,

 

With Ketu in 2nd (in Leo) you would have Cancer rising. In which case

Mercury in 6th would be lord of 12th...12th lord in 6th would result in

"loss" of appetite :-)

 

Regards

Wendy

 

Anna wrote

==========

This is very interesting issue to me- having Kethy in Leo, in second house

one would say that I must be voracious eaters:in fact- choosy, poor eater

since childhood, (anorectic my parents would say, (priest insisted that I

don't fast- and fasting is not difficult to me, at all) now I know it's just

my nature not too eat much; secondly, I have Venus and Mercury in 6th, no

digestive problems, never eat very much, not "crazy" about food. I am

wondering now how the rest of the horoscope changed the "expected" picture-

I think that Saturn in third, aspecting my Moon in Sc., is a

"culprit'..Jupiter in 9 maybe added something in "fixing" the pattern? Would

like to hear your opinion.

Anna

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to