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Dear Ilona,

 

That's quite amazing! I hope others will have a shot at it...I'm fascinated

now to see which twin was the victim. In actual fact they both were.

The witnessing being as real and traumatic as the actual abuse was...both

suffered this dreadful abuse.

 

Taking time to actually consider the fact that mahadasa Moon (lord of 12th)

is in 10th house of Twin 1. and that she also has the potential for lung

disorders with Mercury in ascendant aspected by 6th lord Saturn.

 

I must confess I hardly glanced at the first twins chart as I mistakenly

assumed the second twin was the victim...in actual fact she was...they both

were! One physically, the other emotionally...but which was which...I'm not

sure now!

 

Regards

Wendy

 

 

HellmannC200 [HellmannC200]

Sunday, March 11, 2001 5:11 PM

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[gjlist] Twinsisters

 

 

Twinsisters,

dear friends, I am very happy about your interest. For a long time I was

looking after a group where I could discuss some interest cases ( including

some diagnostic ones, if there is some interest).

 

But let us now try to solve the twinsister-problem:

I wrote: ...this sister (twin 2, virgo AC) told me, that there was sexual

abuse from the father within the age between 3 and 5 years...

 

Please take attention: She did not tell me, that she was the victim!

I would advise you to make allowences for the outer planets, perhaps for

prenatal eclipses and -please don`t laugh about me - for some siderial

arabian parts and their degrees.

Perhaps this could help you to decide.

 

best wishes, Ilona

 

 

 

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Thanks for the puzzle!

 

I agree with with Jeffrey. The 9th and 10th lord of father go into

the 12th house of sex. Rahu aspects the 7th house, as does Mars.

Saturn although in own house, is combining with the aspect of these

two violent planets to make a very serious malefic effect on the 7th.

Mars the violent planet is in the house of sex.

 

The navamsa chart which is the divisional chart of sex has 4 planets

in Scorpio in the 12th house of sex. Rahu, Mars, Saturn and Mercury

all malefic planets indicating a traumatic sex experience. The

combination of the 3 malefics in the house of sex is one for rape.

The 7th lord of sex, Mercury, is also completely afflicted by these

malefics in the 12th house of sex.

 

As a result of this sex crime, the Leo ascendant individual has since

the abuse had many sexual relations. This is shown by the cycle of

Mars in the 12th house, followed by Rahu aspecting the 7th house and

its lord. There is also a tendency towards homosexuality.

 

In the Virgo ascendant chart both the 7th house and 12th house remain

free from affliction, indicating more of a normal sex experience.

 

Best wishes,

 

Alex J

 

 

gjlist, HellmannC200@t... wrote:

> Twinsisters,

> dear friends, I am very happy about your interest. For a long time

I was

> looking after a group where I could discuss some interest cases (

including

> some diagnostic ones, if there is some interest).

>

> But let us now try to solve the twinsister-problem:

> I wrote: ...this sister (twin 2, virgo AC) told me, that there was

sexual

> abuse from the father within the age between 3 and 5 years...

>

> Please take attention: She did not tell me, that she was the victim!

> I would advise you to make allowences for the outer planets,

perhaps for

> prenatal eclipses and -please don`t laugh about me - for some

siderial

> arabian parts and their degrees.

> Perhaps this could help you to decide.

>

> best wishes, Ilona

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Hello Alex,

 

I understand your reasoning and it's valid...this is what makes it such an

interesting puzzle!

But I think we have to clarify who it is that's located in the 12th house

and therefore WHO it is that's having this (12th house) experience.

 

To clarify my line of thinking:

3rd lord in 12th = younger sibling suffers through 12th house affairs.

4th lord in 12th = mother suffers through 12th house affairs.

5th lord in 12th = children suffer through 12th house affairs...etc, etc....

 

Venus in 12th = spouse suffers through 12th house affairs.

Jupiter in 12th = Children/elder sibling can suffer through 12th house

affairs...etc, etc...

 

In chart of eldest twin 10th lord Venus (father) and karaka for younger

sibling (Mars) are joined in 12th. On a personal level this is WHO is

captured in the 12th house.

 

In the chart of younger twin Asc lord Mercury in 12th denotes that it is SHE

who suffered through 12th house affairs.

 

At first glance perhaps one could say that Mercury in 12th is not suffering

any heavy affliction...but look closer and you will see...Mercury is in

constellation of Venus (conjunct Mars) and, importantly, Saturn's aspect on

Mercury becomes significant in this regard when we consider that he's in the

constellation of Mars.

 

This is my view...I'm not saying I'm right, but it's certainly the way I see

it.

 

Regards

Wendy

 

Alex wrote

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Thanks for the puzzle!

 

I agree with with Jeffrey. The 9th and 10th lord of father go into

the 12th house of sex. Rahu aspects the 7th house, as does Mars.

Saturn although in own house, is combining with the aspect of these

two violent planets to make a very serious malefic effect on the 7th.

Mars the violent planet is in the house of sex.

 

The navamsa chart which is the divisional chart of sex has 4 planets

in Scorpio in the 12th house of sex. Rahu, Mars, Saturn and Mercury

all malefic planets indicating a traumatic sex experience. The

combination of the 3 malefics in the house of sex is one for rape.

The 7th lord of sex, Mercury, is also completely afflicted by these

malefics in the 12th house of sex.

 

As a result of this sex crime, the Leo ascendant individual has since

the abuse had many sexual relations. This is shown by the cycle of

Mars in the 12th house, followed by Rahu aspecting the 7th house and

its lord. There is also a tendency towards homosexuality.

 

In the Virgo ascendant chart both the 7th house and 12th house remain

free from affliction, indicating more of a normal sex experience.

 

Best wishes,

 

Alex J

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As I took a second look at twin 2 (Virgo) I noticed that the Sun and

Mercury are in exchange. The Sun (karaka of father) is in the ascendant

and the ASC lord Mercury is in the 12th. It's as if her self has been

displaced and sent into exile in the 12th house (sexual pleasures). Also,

Debilitated Mars conjunct Venus is aspecting the 2nd house (early

childhood). Here is an interesting theory. Many people have had less

traumatic experiences that caused them to disassociate so radically that

they were literally catapulted into an out of body experience. Imagine

the terror of a small child in such a situation. And not only because of

the fact that you are being violated by an adult man, but by your own

father. So, as the abuse takes place(or perhaps before it begins) one or

both of these twins disassociates so intensely that they leave their body

and watch from a distant vantage point. There is no sensation from

there, just a visual experience. The twin says to herself ,"why is he

doing that to my sister" (they are after all identical twins) not

discerning that it is actually herself who is being abused. With the

tendency humans have for self-deception and the need to protect the self

from such a horrible realization, and the fact that the visual evidence

being experienced attests to such a thing, we have a case of mistaken

identity. And then anytime the abuse begins the protection mechanism

comes into place via an out of body experience. I don't think that this

is to far fetched. It is however only a speculation, but I think that

maybe it's possible that they were both abused and some dynamic like this

theory is the explanation. Namaste, Jeff

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