confused convert needs help/sanny

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VZ:

 

I think you forgot to include the birth time for your friend born 10/09/41.

Could you supply it and then I'll take a run at this.

 

Chris

 

At 03:06 PM 3/8/01 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi,

>thank you for your response. I did Dirah. It was very very helpful and

>interesting, but not 'prediction wise'. I have the books you are referring

>to. I think I have already come a long way; often I can find back events I

>know about. Friends tell me about the events in their life and I try to

>astrologically find them. My consolation is, the same thing happened - with

>the same despair ;-(( - whilst learning western astrology. but I cannot

>come up with facts like : you are going to move abroad in abt 1 year. Or

>something like that. Let me give you an example of a simple question I

>cannot answer. This chart is from a friend, a fellow astrologer:

>female, 9 oct. 1941, amsterdam (zone 1) Netherlands, 4E54, 52N22

>lagna: 7.48 gemini

>current dasha: Saturn - Sun

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>I did her chart, both western and vedic. She has a 'simple' question (as far

>a simple questions exist).

>In 1995 she moved from Holland to New Zealand (funny thing is that NO

>western astrologer could find the move in her western chart). Now she wants

>to know when she comes back and/or if it is a wise thing to buy a house

>there.

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>I (think) I know that the current Dasha Saturn-Sun is very meaningful in

>this matter. Saturn is in her 12 (far away countries) and natal Sun is

>residing in the fourth (property, land etc.) Transiting Saturn is also in

>the 12 right now. Transiting jupiter too. Jupiter tr. is now in 10 degrees

>taurus and will have an exact aspect with Sun in 4 in a couple of months. Of

>course they also lord several houses with the consequences...

>Now, as a beginner, the only thing I can see, is that the subject is 'hot'

>in her life. which is not much of an answer. So I think more beginners have

>the same problems; even when you do see things, you don't know what to make

>of it.

>Hope you can teach me something...

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>Regards,

>sanny

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Sanny:

 

I took a look at your friend's chart and there are some clear indications

for her original move in 1995. Let's look at them first so we know how it

worked the first time and then apply them to her current situation. She

was running Sat-Mer then and presto! The same 4/12 situation is repeated as

Saturn is in the 12th and Mercury is lord of the 4th placed. So that's a

good fit that you would have easily spotted as a vedic astrologer. Now,

what about transits and how could we narrow it down from that 3 year

window? I don't know when your friend moved but first thing is to look at

the transit of the dasha lords, Saturn and Mercury. If there's a slow

moving planet involved, then its transit will almost definitely be involved

in a clear way. Mercury moves too fast to trigger big events, although it

should be in the "right" sign in the final analysis. So Saturn's worth a

look. It was in Aq for most of 95 except for a little nudge into Pisces in

the summer and then moved retorgrade after that back into Aq. Where should

we place it? Aq is the 9th house which IS a travel house so that is a

broad fit, but it doesn't make any close aspects with any key planets, just

Venus in the 6th and that's not obviously involved in the emigration

pattern. Pisces is appealing too because it's 3 houses (the Saturn aspect)

from natal Saturn in the 12th and the Moon in the 12th, which is the karaka

for home. For emigration, I would like to see some transit aspects to

either the 12th lord or a planet in the 12th. OTOH, if a 12th house planet

is transiting, then it should be making contact to either the 4th lord or a

planet in the 4th house. And if it doesn't work this way, remember you

have to repeat the whole thing from the Moon. Anyway, both Aq and Pisces

are possible transit Saturn locations for now.

 

Let's leave Mercury's transit for now and move on to Rahu. Rahu is always

an important transit for ALL major events and what's important to remember

is that it is also effective outside of its dasha periods. It operates on

its own logic; a very powerful force. That notion is taken directly from

SA, BTW, and I think it's true. In this natal chart, Rahu may have an

extra special connection to moves and home since it is in Leo, 4th from the

Moon. Now look at Rahu's transit for 95. It was in Libra, the same sign

as 4L Mercury! That's a big hit in my books. Rahu is a malefic and it is

afflicting the home/4th house lord/4th house so that will likely figure

prominently in a big move or emigration. But how close can you time it?

In my experience, you can't jump to conclusions and look for the point of

exact conjunction and do the prediction from there. It *can* happen that

way of course, but often it is off by several degrees, sometimes more.

Rahu was exactly conjunct Mercury back in Jan 95, using the mean node.

What can Mercury tell us now about the month of emigration? You might

recall that rule I mentioned before about a dasha lord passing through its

sign of debilitation. I would use this since emigration is an affliction

to Mercury's 4th house portfolio so perhaps Mercury's transit to Pisces in

late March early April coincided with her emigration. That would be guess

number one. And transiting Rahu would only be 3 or 4 degrees from Mercury

in Libra. But Mercury's transit to Aquarius (9th house of travel) in

January may also have produced the move as this would coincide with the

exact Rahu conjunction with natal Mercury and t. Saturn was also in

Aquarius so there's a certain fit there too.

 

So those would be my two preliminary guesses. However, I would caution you

that without looking at the varga charts, you're really guessing a bit too

much. As a former western astrologer and fan of Rick Houck, I "cheat"

quite a bit and use progressions and directions (and solar returns, etc) to

make sure my guesses are correct (OK, to reduce my mistakes) and to focus

my thinking. Just using transits and dashas alone is very difficult but

worth trying.

 

I hope I'm not overloading you here, but if you're looking at emigration,

you've got to look at the D-4 chart. If you have good vedic software like

Goravani Jyotish, it will show the exact varga positions of the planets

with degreees. I prefer working with these positions as they give me a

chance to see exactly where the conjunctions occur. For instance, in D-4

here, Virgo (Mercury ruled!) rises at 1Vi34 and this makes Sagittarius the

all important 4th house in D-4. Actually both of these signs/rulers are

important for timing moves, as well as the 12th and 7th and sometimes 9th.

In this case, there is a really neat occurrence. Look at 4th lord Jupiter.

It's in Aquarius at 23Aq57. Now remember that Saturn transit that wasn't

touching anything in the natal chart? Well, it's touching this Jupiter,

and this Jupiter is closely connected with home and moving. Interestingly,

Saturn exactly aspects this Jupiter by its 10 house aspect in the last week

or so of March. That fits nicely with one of our earlier guesses when

Mercury was transiting Pisces. So based on that -- and without any

confirmatory western progressions (promise!) -- it's possible that she

moved to NZ at the end of March.

 

OTOH, if Mercury's rising in the D-4 chart AND it's 4th house lord, then

contacts to it in the D-4 chart should be taken very seriously for timing

moves. Note that in early June, transiting Ketu (the flip side of Rahu) is

conjunct this D-4 Mercury while t. Saturn is in Pisces making all those

great 12th house natal contacts. So really there's a case to be made for

both, although I prefer the March guess. Wait a second! I just noticed

that the Saturn transit into Pisces has some important consequences: since

the D-4 Asc is at 1Ge34 (all these positions are krishnamurti so don't

worry if yours are off by a few minutes) so when Saturn makes its station

around the first degree of Pisces(1Pi02) in the first week of July, that's

an almost exact opposition to that D-4 Ascendant. And that ascendant is

HUGE when it comes to moves and emigration. So I just changed my mind. I

think your friend moved in early July 95.

 

I may be wrong, I often am! However, that is the basic approach that you

can use with moves and emigration. So now, why don't YOU apply some of

these ideas to her future prospects for moving this year. You're half way

there; you've got the Saturn-Sun dashs period isolated as a hot zone for

moving. Exactly right, I would say. Now apply some of these same rules:

what is Saturn's transit doing? What is Rahu's transit doing? And when

what sign might the Sun be transiting for move to occur? You may also

decide to descend into the dark depths of the varga charts. Is anything

aspecting that 1Ge34 Ascendant? Is anything aspecting that D-4 4th lord

Jupiter? Or lagnesh Mercury in D-4? Lots of questions that need

answers...:-)

 

So give it a whirl and get back to me.

 

Chris

 

At 10:29 PM 3/8/01 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi Christopher,

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>re: time of birth

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>how stupid can a person be. I did not even have the excuse of an early

>morning mental lapse. ) Anyway- TOB: 22.15, zone 1

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>bye

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