Hearing evil voice

[Guest guest]

Whenever Ketu is conjunct the big main significators, like Moon, Lagna,

Lagna Lord, Sun or Mercury, there is always going to be some sensitivity

which is heightened. There will be a tendency towards great sweaps of

awareness coming over the imaginative side of the mind and often

overtake the person in deep pondering or visionary type dreaming or

imagining. This can often be about morbid or horrible things such as

bodily carnage of some type. This can be very troubling to say the

least. However, these matters are completely possible in this realm, so

the person gets a bit hung up on these things. Venus conjunct Ketu in

Virgo in 12th gives quite a strange relationship with a strange mix of

youthfulness, beauty, pleasure, and death or negative material

possibilities. This is not a nice combination- debilitated Venus in the

12th with Ketu. One can imagine some pretty unique spiritual qualities

arising out of this, but it's a bit twisted by normal standards. The boy

will need help and will be troublesome to some degree based on this

placement alone.

 

I imagine there will be issues around his body, relationships with woman

as too objectified, as the riff 'tween Virgo and Venus reveals itself in

his life, and a tendency towards odd expressions of sexuality since Ketu

conjunct sexual karakas (Venus being one, first lord another, the 12th

house another, and in one way, Virgo always is too), makes one to be

open to "things too low for oneself" and "fearful situations".

 

Note that the 12th can have connections with dreams and Ketu is

visionary and dreamy too, and there is some fear around Ketu, and the

12th house has connection with the sleep state, so I think that the kid

is troubled mentally somewhat based on the first lord being situated in

this way. A fear of loss and old age would be expected I think. Picture

you go to your 12th to debilitation and you conjoin a death lord pshyco

tripper in a dream state!

 

As soon as Ketu is conjunct something important, one must watch out for

that strong influence of ultimate strange connections mentally to a

downward pushing force of awareness which causes us to look up very

strongly too sometimes. Like being beheaded, it's a loathed and morbid

experience, which is final and liberating in some ways. Ketu is in a

sense, the most spiritual planet but it has a brutal side usually around

death issues, which it can make actually experiencial or just in the

head more so. Either way, it's a strong influence in a direction which

is emotionally/mentally difficult.

 

Things around the first lord appear more difficult in youth. There is a

special extra portion of their effects put on during youth due to first

lords additional rulership over the youth period. Some parts of this

will tune themselves out over time, or that's usually the case.

 

These are my own thoughts. They may be wrong or somewhat misleading.

 

Pushing onwards...

 

das goravani

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

 

My computer doesn't work most of the time, so, I don't know if you have received

any answers to your Q. I just want to tell you, whether the "angry voices" are

coming from inside the head, or inside- that requires prompt response: that can

be a serious symptom (let's forget nozology that psychiatrists use, for the

moment) It is a sign that mental health in general needs intervention... If the

symptoms last for couple of years, even worse. Psychiatry can "fix" that

problem, the sooner the better. "Angry voices" can make one feel frightened,

willing to defend himself, and it's not naive symptom, at all.. From your

letter, and length od illness- because it is illness-I

can conclude that it' untreated- even if the symptoms become less severe, if

untreated, chances are that they occur in different, even less pleasant forms,

or to be "dormant" for while, and reappear in a more harmful way.

Sorry, I don't think that the phenomenon should be explored astrologically

before unnecessary, available help is undertaken. In short, psychiatrist first,

than we can search for reasons in astrology.

 

Anna

-

Ann Murphy

gjlist

Cc: evie

Sunday, March 04, 2001 4:51 AM

[gjlist] Hearing evil voice

 

 

 

 

Dear J,

If somebody tells you they are hearing evil voices INSIDE their

head, you can be sure the voice is their own.

With true schitzophrenia, the voices are always OUTSIDE the head.(can be

described as an entity sitting behind the ear etc, making persistent

demands). Often the voices do not allow the person any sleep, food etc. The

demands and the constant chattering become unbearable.

I have not studied enough charts to postulate theories, but maybe you

could look to the arudas of rasi and divisionals for a personality

conflict/disorder if the behaviour seems to intensify or become chronic.

Considering the persons age, s/he may just be cruising the adolescent rascal

cycle.

Best Wishes,

Ann.

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello J,

 

The natural malefics in trines in Rasi chart, and in Navamsa can

cause possession. Also look to the trines of the Trimsamsa. The

indicator of evil voices/spirits can be any of the malefics Mars,

Saturn, Rahu and Ketu. Serious affliction to Moon or Mercury can also

cause possession.

 

When the factors governing the mind are unprotected and weakened, the

mind becomes susceptible to invasion from exterior negative

energies.

 

Please post his birth details and the time that his disturbances

began. The dasa running at that time will indicate the cause of the

illness. Also the cause of insanity can be properly assessed.

 

In order to see the factors that cause insanity please look at the

yogas for insanity on this webpage:

 

http://www.vedic astrology.net/mentalde.htm

 

Warm Regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

gjlist, urbanet wrote:

> I'm studying a boy's Vedic horoscope with Libra ascendant (14 years

> old). Venus is in Virgo/12 house conjunct Ketu (functional malefic)

> and Mercury the other functional malefic in Cancer/10th house

> conjunct Sun which is dik bala.

>

> I'd like some expert advice for this boy who is doing things he

> claims are beyond his control (e.g. stealing..). He claims an evil

> voice in his head forces him to do so. Besides that he's not doing

> too well at school. His concentration is very poor but tests have

> shown no fysical malfunction.

>

> My questions: 1)what is the significator for an evil voice in the

> head in Vedic astrology and 2) what succesful remedies can be

> suggested? Can you please reveal your sources or books so I can

> investigate this matter further?

>

> Thanks in advance

> J.

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for this great response! Your explanation of the

relation between Ketu and main significators is revealing, for a

novice in Vedic astrology like myself. The main reason for posting is

to understand this psychological problem from an jyotish perspective

and of course the parents have sought and found traditional help for

the boy's illness but no cure yet. So thanks once again.

 

J.

 

 

 

 

gjlist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

>

> Whenever Ketu is conjunct the big main significators, like Moon,

Lagna,

> Lagna Lord, Sun or Mercury, there is always going to be some

sensitivity

> which is heightened. There will be a tendency towards great sweaps

of

> awareness coming over the imaginative side of the mind and often

> overtake the person in deep pondering or visionary type dreaming or

> imagining. This can often be about morbid or horrible things such as

> bodily carnage of some type. This can be very troubling to say the

> least. However, these matters are completely possible in this

realm, so

> the person gets a bit hung up on these things. Venus conjunct Ketu

in

> Virgo in 12th gives quite a strange relationship with a strange mix

of

> youthfulness, beauty, pleasure, and death or negative material

> possibilities. This is not a nice combination- debilitated Venus in

the

> 12th with Ketu. One can imagine some pretty unique spiritual

qualities

> arising out of this, but it's a bit twisted by normal standards.

The boy

> will need help and will be troublesome to some degree based on this

> placement alone.

>

> I imagine there will be issues around his body, relationships with

woman

> as too objectified, as the riff 'tween Virgo and Venus reveals

itself in

> his life, and a tendency towards odd expressions of sexuality since

Ketu

> conjunct sexual karakas (Venus being one, first lord another, the

12th

> house another, and in one way, Virgo always is too), makes one to be

> open to "things too low for oneself" and "fearful situations".

>

> Note that the 12th can have connections with dreams and Ketu is

> visionary and dreamy too, and there is some fear around Ketu, and

the

> 12th house has connection with the sleep state, so I think that the

kid

> is troubled mentally somewhat based on the first lord being

situated in

> this way. A fear of loss and old age would be expected I think.

Picture

> you go to your 12th to debilitation and you conjoin a death lord

pshyco

> tripper in a dream state!

>

> As soon as Ketu is conjunct something important, one must watch out

for

> that strong influence of ultimate strange connections mentally to a

> downward pushing force of awareness which causes us to look up very

> strongly too sometimes. Like being beheaded, it's a loathed and

morbid

> experience, which is final and liberating in some ways. Ketu is in a

> sense, the most spiritual planet but it has a brutal side usually

around

> death issues, which it can make actually experiencial or just in the

> head more so. Either way, it's a strong influence in a direction

which

> is emotionally/mentally difficult.

>

> Things around the first lord appear more difficult in youth. There

is a

> special extra portion of their effects put on during youth due to

first

> lords additional rulership over the youth period. Some parts of this

> will tune themselves out over time, or that's usually the case.

>

> These are my own thoughts. They may be wrong or somewhat misleading.

>

> Pushing onwards...

>

> das goravani