Delusion or Surrender?

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Spyrikal wrote:

 

 

| Hi, thank you for posting that Dasanudas, your quote was very helpful,

| sad though, I wonder how you'd know whether or not you're deluding

| yourself.

 

 

 

Ah, very good. Honesty is good.

 

Yes, excellent point. There are many instances in Spiritual Seeking

where we come to the wall of not knowing with our senses and intellect

whether to proceed we must blindly accept, delude ourselves, accept

fairy tales like Bhagavat Purana somtimes seems to be, etc. Very

difficult for the rational mind to proceed at some points.

 

As Einstein said "When we reach the Zenith of our empirical mountain, we

find the religionist waiting for us patiently" (something like that).

 

Empiricism fails at a certain point, certainly in matters which are

beyond scientific study, such as "Why does everything exist at all",

"What is the real meaning or purpose of life", "Is there a God or a

Divine will or consciousness" etc etc...

 

I am one who has pondered all these things my whole life. Religion is

rather a focus of my life.

 

Very often we have to accept the statements of scripture on faith alone.

There is no other way to cross check them. How we are going to deal with

"Revelation" is a personal quandry each of us must face. Either we have

the ability to infer their conclusions as real, or we don't, and either

we end up accepting them a little, a lot, not at all, etc., each of us

individually, and our reality is thus affected.

 

I think the bravery to go deeply into seeing Divine Truth is something

that is difficult. It takes a lot of bravery to accept the spiritual

view, and realize that there is only God, there is only Krishna etc.,

and that we are servants.

 

I personally am built in a funny sort of extreme way. I have not much

interest in "light" pleasures of life, like picnics, movies, hobbies,

etc., but I love the intense pleasures, like drugs, smoking, sex, etc.

These of course can literally kill you, and they do decrease life quite

quickly, so they have to be avoided, but for those of us no interested

in any other pleasures much, they are all that is left.

 

So then you take up spiritual life as a solution, and it's an intense

solution. To think of oneself as servant and slowly but deliberately

dismantle your selfish ego is difficult work.

 

But as one moves along that path, accepting that God knows the truth,

has revealed it, and that it makes sense, the Vedic version of reality

including the Yugas etc., is one of the easier parts, whereas

controlling one senses humbly in the service of the Lord is one of the

more difficult matters.

 

I think it's clear that revelation has alot of reality in it. It may

seem like delusion at times, but really we can infer alot of it as true

when we look around, especially seeing things like Jyotish at work, it

becomes clear to me at least, that the Vedas are the only books really

talking reality.

 

Life, nature, reality, it's WILD. The Vedas seem to ring true much more

so than dryer versions of reality like science and standard modern

Christian views etc. Vedas, Bhagavatam, in their strange wild

conslusions or revelations, seem much closer to reality which to me

seems pretty bizarre just from what I can see of it with my eyes.

 

The bind I find myself in in life, you know, being human yet seeking

Divinity, seems much more so covered by Vedic conclusions than any other.

 

The length of the Yugas, it's information, but it hardly matters in our

real struggle right now. That's another point. Some of this knowledge is

more peripheral, helping to maybe shore up and support more important

things, like moving ahead with personal practice, which seems to be of

the utmost importance in our immediate progress.

 

But as was said, we have no way of really challenging Vedic statements

like about things like length of Kalpas, Yugas, etc. With everything

else given in Veda that we can see working, like Jyotish, Ayurveda,

Brahma Vidya, etc., it makes sense to just fold our ego and accept.

 

Inspiring topic. Thanks.

 

Raghunandan das

 

(das goravani)

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Hi Das Goravani, thank you for the smile I wish I had more to say,

something intelligent, but no, that's the only thing I can ~ I don't

think I've ever heard the words humble, service and ego though, more

mentioned than since I started liking Vedic astrology ~ I guess that's

what I've been noticing most, the contrast of realities ~ or well, the

contrast of my perception of reality because like you've said there can

only be one, I think that's what you said. Anyways, they look so

innocent, but those little words are very intimidating and you're very

right about the bravery part too ~ well, thank you for sharing your

thoughts Angie