Can you describe Leo?

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Typical places represented by Leo are deep forests/jungles, especially ones

where lions roam. Others are forts, palaces, throne rooms, governmental

buildings, hospitals, places where electricity is generated, where glass is

manufactured, where gold is stored and where medicines are produced. Just to

give an idea of how the ancient dictums can be applied to modern life, the

following is instructive. When the author was a child, the major planetary

period of Jupiter operated practically throughout. ( Planetary periods will

be dealt with later ). Jupiter was in Leo. The childhood was spent at the

edge of a large metropolitan city where there was a large, wooded area

nearby, several miles square. So although the author did not spend his

childhood in a jungle or deep forest where tigers and lions roamed, he did

actually spend his youthful days playing in the middle of a forest.

 

Dharmapada

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Dharmapada,

Thanks for sharing that. I am Leo Ascendant as well with Sun

in Leo. I grew in Ohio with woods behind my house.

I spent every moment I could back there. I had tree houses, caught frogs

and Salamanders, and had a great time. Although I had friends that I

spent time with in the woods, I also spent many solitary hours at a

young age and didn't mind it a bit. I also loved the old Tarzan movies

with Johnny Weismuller. I would some times pretend I was Tarzan when I

was swinging on vines in the woods. I love this discovery aspect of

Vedic Astrology. Once again thanks for sharing this.

 

 

 

Hare Krishna, Jeff

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Dean De Lucia wrote:

> >From Astrologia Vedica:

>

> http://www.mantra-ebooks.com/3dollar.html

>

> Typical places represented by Leo are deep forests/jungles, especially ones

> where lions roam.

 

Sorry, but lions do not roam or live in forests or jungles: their habitat is

grassland and semi-desert areas where trees are few. In other words wide open

spaces with unobstructed view over a long range. Their tawny colour is a

camouflage suited for "bare earth" where they love to lie in the sun. Only

tigers live in jungles.

 

regards

Mani

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Hello,

 

There is type of lion called the mountain lion who lives in forests

and mountains. In fact this is his favorite place, although he also

lives in deserts. He roams from North America down to South America.

Farther in the south, in such places as Central and South America he

lives in jungles.

 

Kind Regards

 

Cat Fan Alex J

 

gjlist, subra@t... wrote:

> Dean De Lucia wrote:

> > >From Astrologia Vedica:

> >

> > http://www.mantra-ebooks.com/3dollar.html

> >

> > Typical places represented by Leo are deep forests/jungles,

especially ones

> > where lions roam.

>

> Sorry, but lions do not roam or live in forests or jungles: their

habitat is

> grassland and semi-desert areas where trees are few. In other words

wide open

> spaces with unobstructed view over a long range. Their tawny colour

is a

> camouflage suited for "bare earth" where they love to lie in the

sun. Only

> tigers live in jungles.

>

> regards

> Mani

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Mani,

I think that as far as most people understand lion you are correct,

but Astrology is global and applies to the whole face of the earth. The

Bible talks about lions in Palestine and we had Mountain Lions in

Colorado. What is important is the archetype and pumas, jaguars, tigers,

and other kinds of big cats love to roam forests and jungles. It's the

archetype that is important and not specifically the African Lion.

Namaste Jeff

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Dear Jeffrey and cat fan Alex,

 

> Mani,

> I think that as far as most people understand lion you are correct,

> but Astrology is global and applies to the whole face of the earth. The

> Bible talks about lions in Palestine and we had Mountain Lions in

> Colorado. What is important is the archetype and pumas, jaguars, tigers,

> and other kinds of big cats love to roam forests and jungles. It's the

> archetype that is important and not specifically the African Lion.

 

 

I was not picking holes in jyothish, but wanted to say that we should not

artificially derive the qualities of the signs from their names. Even in India

the original Tamil names for zodiacal signs were very different from those in

use today in jyothish and in western astrology.

 

If Leo is associated with forests and woods, fine! But NOT because of the name

Leo, or any leonine habits. Certain associations and characteristics may tally

with the sign names, but we should not overdo this. Cancer people don´t live in

holes or Pisces in water.

 

The palestinian lion was an African/Indian lion, the true maned (male)type. The

mountain lion also could belong to this group. They all prefer bare areas.

Palestina was far from being wooded, wood had to be imported from Lebanon etc.

The life-style of the true lion is very different from that of the other "cats".

The lion is not very catty.

 

If one pursues the "archetypal" nature of lions, there are qualities in common

with Leo - but these are the characteristics which make the lion "regal" and

different from the other cats. One may take he following as typical of lions:

 

- lions don´t hide themselves and are far less stealthy than the other cats,

often attack from the front.

- they live like kings, have harems, like to keep the family together and rule

over it.

- they generally hold their heads high and have a majestic manner of movement,

"monarch of all I survey" attitude.

 

Nevertheless I think one should just accept the characteristics of signs as

given in the texts, not try to derive any from the names.

 

regards

Mani

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mani,

 

I wish to respectufully disagree with you- I think that the aualities of the

signs correspond well with the symbols of the signs. Leo is a case in point.

Even the nature of the " frontal attacks "( Behari ) of the Leo ascendent

correspond so well to the animal symbol.

 

By the way, other cats are cats, while lions are related to the dog family.

Most of the other cats are very similar to each other, they are more sly,

while lions are much more straightforward in their bearing.

 

Cancer, too, corresponds to the animal symbol. I was born with Cancer on the

horizon, with the sun in Cancer. I was born in a naval hospital on the sandy

banks

of a river. The sandy nature of the environment corresponds perfectly to

Cancer, the the fact that the Navy was involved corresponds to the planet of

government in a watery sign. In prasna asstrology, the symbolism of the

signs mysteriously stands out repeatedly.

 

In many ways the Cancer personality corresponds to the symbol. The cancer

personality is timid, indirect, tends to hide away from the mainstream- it

seeks an environment which is not his native one and hide away there.

 

There is a high degree of correspondence between the symbols of signs and

the manifestations, with all due consideration to planetary placements.

 

I just have to disagree with you.

 

Dharmapada

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Mani,

Correction accepted. I was trying to make to much out of the

correlation between the forest/jungle and the symbol of the Lion.

Parashara say's, "Simh is ruled by Surya and is Sattvic. It is a

quadruped rashi and a royal rashi. It resorts to forests and rises with

its head. It has a large, white body. It resides in the east and is

strong during the daytime." I have always been attracted to and felt my

best when living in forests and jungles, although I feel my best living

in or near forests. I presently live in Ashland, Oregon where there are

abundant forests. Thanks for the correction! Jeff

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--- Jeffrey P Pummill <ayurjyotish wrote:

> Mani,

> Correction accepted. I was trying to make to

> much out of the

> correlation between the forest/jungle and the symbol

> of the Lion.

> Parashara say's, "Simh is ruled by Surya and is

> Sattvic. It is a

> quadruped rashi and a royal rashi. It resorts to

> forests and rises with

> its head. It has a large, white body. It resides in

> the east and is

> strong during the daytime." I have always been

> attracted to and felt my

> best when living in forests and jungles, although I

> feel my best living

> in or near forests. I presently live in Ashland,

> Oregon where there are

> abundant forests. Thanks for the correction! Jeff

>

>

> gjlist-

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Dear Dean and Jeffery,

 

Thanks for responses.

 

> Leo is a case in point.

> Even the nature of the " frontal attacks "( Behari ) of the Leo ascendent

> correspond so well to the animal symbol.

>

> By the way, other cats are cats, while lions are related to the dog family.

> Most of the other cats are very similar to each other, they are more sly,

> while lions are much more straightforward in their bearing.

 

This is exactly what I was getting at: lions are like dogs! Unless provoked by a

hunter, mostly human, the "cats" never attack from the front, fall on their prey

from behind. The Bengal tiger is a man-eater. Its hunting methods are entirely

sly and surreptitious and even on a boat in the river one is not safe: they swim

silently and only the paw comes out to grab the victim. Others in the boat just

see a comrade disappearing suddenly! To prevent this they often wear masks on

the back, with faces and arms painted as if their backs were their front!

 

The lion is open, creeps towards the grazing herd, or feigns lack of interest

and gets close to it non-chalantly. BUT:

 

When close enough it attacks openly, the weakest in the herd gets caught. It is

almost as if the lion gives its prey "a fair chance" - and if the prey is a bit

faster the lion just gives up "magnanimously". This is very typical of leo

ascendant or rasi persons: they prefer to fight openly, but give up when the

effort seems to be unwarranted, and are often "surprised" by their lack of

success, which they think is their due!

 

Lions kill only to eat, about once a week. Catty cats often kill wantonly, which

applies to the domestic cat too: they hunt mice even if regularly fed with

cat-food. A well-fed lion never thinks of hunting. Lions can be tamed like dogs,

but the other cats are individualists.

 

Lions are "noble" in behaviour, but can also be ruthless and brutal. Whenever a

lion takes over a harem, it systematically kills the young offspring of the

previous ruler. This is reflected in all royal dynasties and ceased only where

the monarchy was changed from absolute to constitutional. History is full of

kings who got rid of all the children of previous rulers, even own brothers were

often eliminated!

 

>

> Cancer, too, corresponds to the animal symbol. I was born with Cancer on the

> horizon, with the sun in Cancer. I was born in a naval hospital on the sandy

> banks

> of a river. The sandy nature of the environment corresponds perfectly to

> Cancer, the the fact that the Navy was involved corresponds to the planet of

> government in a watery sign. In prasna asstrology, the symbolism of the

> signs mysteriously stands out repeatedly.

> In many ways the Cancer personality corresponds to the symbol. The cancer

> personality is timid, indirect, tends to hide away from the mainstream- it

> seeks an environment which is not his native one and hide away there.

 

Very nicely defined. But the nature is not because of "crab" but can apply to

crabs.

 

Actually the nature of the signs is better defined by their rulerships. Leo is

an expression of the Sun as giver of life and sustainer of all vegetation.

Cancer is ruled by the moon, which has power only during the night and that too

limited by its phases. It is the "sun" of darkness, but its powers are limited.

It is a sign of striving for power, but not of success in the effort. And when

frustrated, the rage of Cancer is devastating!

 

In western astrology Gemini is a sign of duality, "double personality" etc. but

in jyothish it is a sign of uniting forces, partnership! Virgo women don´t go

through life with chastity belts. Scorpio is a watery sign but scorpions live in

dark and DRY plaes. Aquarius is "airy" although its name is associated with

water. Sagittarius people are not all horsey or interested in shooting at

people. Aries people are not just "ram-like" but are usually pioneers who dare.

Taurus is not "bull-headed" or stubborn, but more cow, loving and tolerating.

 

Capricorn is not goaty or watery, although the symbol is a goat with the tail of

the fish. Libra does not give more sense of justice than the other signs.

 

In fact all the attempts to read character from signs is a very western

approach, trying to find explanations for the otherwise inexplicable! The

lapidary statements as to what sign "governs" what features is either empirical

or revealed knowledge, not derived! The associations given are essentially for

prasna purposes, not for judging character or preferences. Health or success

may be found in appropriate places, but it does not mean the person likes such

places or has even the opportunity to be there!

 

Dear Dean, you were born with cancer lagna and with sun in cancer, in a sandy

riverine area in a naval hospital. Did all the children born there have cancer

as lagna, moon or sun-sign? How about the millions of true cancer types born in

the middle of continents, in places far from water and sand? I know people who

are very cancerian, but love the mountains and never think of even spending a

holiday in watery or sandy places!

 

In other words, one swallow does not make the summer. Generalizations are not

valid and interpretations of symbols has to be very carefully considered. the

symbolism is very subtle and not what strikes the eye. Cosmic influences were

not tailored to suit a lion or crab or fish or scorpion: these creatures were

drawn in because they exhibited certain - BUT NOT ALL - characteristics

associated with the cosmic divisions.

 

regards

Mani