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Hello Das Anudas Ji,

Namaskaar,

I appreciate your concern , but as I understand the Shaloka you referred in Gita

is for Samtavbudhi. It is for those who have no desire for the results from

their work good or bad.

Go through 2.50 just the previous oneShaloka which means that a person with

SAMTAV mind leave the results of his deeds Good And Bad both in the same birth

and thus deserves for salvation.

Go through my letter I said the same thing. You can not pray to excuse yourself

for your bad deeds and to grant you your good deeds intact. Even Lord Krishna

follows the rule , remember how he left this world.

Gemstone we recommend are for ordinary persons, who want to have money,

power,sex and all the pleasures of life and on the other hand wanted to remain

away from the suffering of life, which is not possible.

With Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

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Dear respected gj-list folks,

Hmmm... gemstones. I did notice a just a couple of posts on the subject in the

100 or so e-mails that piled up while I was away in Tucson at the nations

largest gathering of gemdealers/buyers. I didn't and probably won't read through

every e-mail on the topic, but as a GIA trained Graduate Gemologist who

maintains himself selling gemstones, evaluating them and setting them in jewelry

for the last ten years, I do have a few comments to make.

The first thing that comes to my mind regarding the subject of gems is that

most people know next to nothing about them and are thus easily mislead by

unscrupulous salespersons, "healers", yogis, etc.

I have heard the most blatantly false, outrageous statements from the mouths of

sales people especially whose only intrest was "making the sale", never mind if

what they are saying is true or not. I have found this in traditional "mall

store" environments and in metaphysical, spiritual, or new age circles as well.

Buying and wearing a ruby won't cure cancer, and buying an emerald isn't going

to make you a great business person or orator. That was all determined long

before and wearing a stone has nothing to do with it.

Why should we be so infatuated with changing what is meant for us anyway. There

is meaning, realization and beauty even in the most challenging circumstances if

we cultivate the vision to see and appreciate it.

Anyway,... gemstones. Most people are unaware, outside of the trade, at the

extent MOST gemstones are modified to enhance their apparent beauty. These

cosmetic enhancements, while pleasing to the eye and the jewelers cash register,

are intentionally obscuring the negative qualities the Garuda Purana

specifically warns it's reader to avoid.

Unless one has a certificate from a legitimate gemological laboratory, like the

GIA, stating that the stone is "natural", that is completely free from any kind

of treatment meant to enhance it's perceived beauty, then don't beleive that it

is.

I walked into a mall store one time and for fun asked the sales person whether

or not the "padparashcha" sapphire ring their store was selling for $399.00 was

"natural". She looked me straight in the eye and said," Yes sir it definately

is." I told her," Oh good, I'll take ten".

A flawless 3-4 carat padparascha sapphire is worth more than twenty times what

they were selling them for. Either she was a liar or she simply didn't know that

what she had was man-made, "lab-created" sapphire worth about the cost of

cutting it.

Some unscrupulous "gem dealers" also sell lab created (man-made) gems as if

they are equal in value and efficacy to their natural counterparts they were

created to imitate.

It gets worse. Let's look at each planetary gemstone and how they are altered

to enhance their beauty, simultaneously destroying or masking their metaphysical

potential.

RUBY, the gem of the sun. Nearly ALL rubies are heated, nearly to the melting

point, to enhance the color distribution and clarity. A prettier stone is a

costlier stone. This is about money. Some people say that ALL rubies are heat

treated and the ones that are so- called "naturals" were heated only enough to

remain undetected and thus get the "natural" seal of approval.

PEARL, the gem of the Moon. The pearls described by Sri Suta in Garuda Purana

have little or no metaphysical resemblance to the nearly man-made "pearls" of

Japanese mass production pearl farms.

A natural pearl occurs rarely in nature when an irritant becomes lodged inside

an oyster and, over time becomes covered with "nacre", the pearly substance

found on the inside of most bivalve species.

In pearl farms a large, round piece of mollusk shell is jammed inside the

oyster to precipitate the process. If the oyster doesn't die from the trauma, it

will cover the ball with nacre, producing what appears to be a perfect pearl.

Unfortunately the beauty is only skin deep since the shell ball is generally

only left in long enough to give a superficial coating. Heh, time is money and

it costs money to take care of those little oysters.

This contrived process cannot be favorably compared to the mystic beauty and

grace of a real pearl appearing by the exquisite arrangement the cosmos.

How can these two vastly different products produce the same effect????

RED CORAL, the gemstone for Mars. O.K., I'll lighten up a bit here. For the

most part, red coral is much easier to find than other gemstones in it's

natural, unaltered form. However... it is often found to be dyed a deeper red

color. Why... you guesed it. The deeper color commands a higher price. Try

swabbing your Mars talisman with a Q tip dipped in acetone. Did it get a red

stain on it. Yup, your talisman wallah duped you.

EMERALD, the gemstone for Mercury. Did you know that most emeralds, except for

only the most exclusive, rare pieces, are by nature quite included. These

imperfections, known as,"Le Jardin", or the garden, by whatever name it's a far

cry from the "...pure, flawless gems" of Garuda Purana.

Enter the gem wizard... if you vacuum an oil of the same or similar refractive

index into those nasty, unsightly little flaws, presto, they dissapear. Well, at

least for a while. Sometimes the gem doctors color the oil green for added

cosmetic effect. Does your "talisman" ooze unidentified liquids if it gets a

little warm?

DIAMOND, the gemstone for Venus. Well, here you're a little more likely to get

a stone that hasn't been doctored if you are buying a diamond for thousands of

dollars to ammend your karmic shortcomings. BUT... diamonds are being

synthesized, man-made. Watch out for laser drilling, acid baths and fracture

filling with glass-like material as well. Bottom line again.

YELLOW SAPPHIRE, the gemstone for Jupiter. Bad news again folks. Like ruby,

nearly ALL heated... except for the ones that were heated only enough to help

cosmetically... but undetectable to spectrographic analysis.

BLUE SAPPHIRE, the gemstone for Saturn. Same, same, same. All corundum, that is

ruby, yellow sapphire, and blue sapphire they're all heated. I've seen the

photos. They use big commercial ovens, mostly in Thailand,(some guys make their

living at this, it's all they do) where they shovel it in, crank it up and watch

it glow. Not very metaphysical.

HESSONITE GARNET, the gemstone for Rahu. Well finally.... as far as I know this

stone is not synthesised or treated. It's not too expensive either. Whether

wearing one will solve all your Rahu problems if you have them... well, that's

another thing.

CHRYSOBERYL CAT'S-EYE, the gemstone for Ketu. Generally a non- treated stone,

but pricey for a real one. ALSO... recently a bunch of "beautiful" honey colored

cat's eyes with perfect "eyes" wre found to be outrageously RADIOACTIVE! Have

you been getting a "bad vibration" from your talisman lately???

Anyway, in all seriousness. My advice (unsolicited) to anyone who expects

miraculous effects from spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on a

stone to solve all your problems or enhance your standard of happiness in this

world. Don't bother. It won't help. Send the money to India to the earthquake

victims. Charity will have a much more profound effect on your consciousness.

Sorry if I'm blunt, insensitive, crude, or if I have offended anyones'

sentiments. I just can't help it I'm a Mars in Scorpio lagna kind of guy. Gee...

maybe a red coral...

 

With regards to all,

Sarva

 

 

 

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>As for as I know only one with yogic power can move away from his karma

>results that also by burning the seed which resulted from his karma's, in

>that case the good and bad both will burn, it is never possible that you

>ask the God through prayers (I will consider it , by slavery to the God )

>You get relief for your bad deeds and You keep intact the Good one's.

>By prayers to the God you get sufficient power to face the bad period and

>you get inner vision to do the Good in future.

>No kavach can protect any body from the bad results , which one is destined

>to face as per his birth chart, also No Gem stone can protect from the bad

>deeds one has committed.

 

Though I agree to it partially but still I have my own doubts. In fact, I

feel uttering anything on the list on the Karma theory is always going to

evince mixed response and Wendy said it very correctly that it soon becomes

an ego problem. Wendy, I for one is a person, having no ego. I like to

listen to others if they have anything worthwhile to say. I even adopt it

and never reject anything without testing it.

 

Once, a guru received a person and accepted him as his disciple. Before the

person had entered his camp, the guru was in delightful mood. But once the

disciple went, the guru had to recline back on the bed and developed

blistors on his stomach. He did take on his disciple's bad karma but even he

cant take it all. He has his own limitations depending upon his

enlightenment.

 

By offering prayers or doing tapasya, we are not begging before anyone. The

soul in everyone of us is a part of that great soul called God. What we are

doing is only strengthening ourselves inwardly so that these problems of

life do not trouble us. We rise above these problems. We start getting

enlightened.

 

Have you ever talked to a friend on a crowded railway platform when nothing

is audible. You then concentrate all your energies in trying to listen to

what your friend is saying and forget all that is around you. That is the

effect of prayers, your energies are concentrated unidirectionally and

therefore you tend to forget everything else around.

 

with best wishes to all.

 

Manoj

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Sarva,

 

Very educational article, thank you for the enlightment.

The next purchase of gem is cancelled, The funds are going to Kutch

 

Thank you

 

-Pranav

 

gjlist wrote:

>

> Dear respected gj-list folks,

>  Hmmm... gemstones. I did notice a just a couple of posts on the subject in

> the 100 or so e-mails that piled up while I was away in Tucson at the nations

> largest gathering of gemdealers/buyers. I didn't and probably won't read

> through every e-mail on the topic, but as a GIA trained Graduate Gemologist

> who maintains himself selling gemstones, evaluating them and setting them in

> jewelry for the last ten years, I do have a few comments to make.

>  The first thing that comes to my mind regarding the subject of gems is that

> most people know next to nothing about them and are thus easily mislead by

> unscrupulous salespersons, "healers", yogis, etc.

>  I have heard the most blatantly false, outrageous statements from the mouths

> of sales people especially whose only intrest was "making the sale", never

> mind if what they are saying is true or not. I have found this in traditional

> "mall store" environments and in metaphysical, spiritual, or new age circles

> as well.

>  Buying and wearing a ruby won't cure cancer, and buying an emerald isn't

> going to make you a great business person or orator. That was all determined

> long before and wearing a stone has nothing to do with it.

>  Why should we be so infatuated with changing what is meant for us anyway.

> There is meaning, realization and beauty even in the most challenging

> circumstances if we cultivate the vision to see and appreciate it.

>  Anyway,... gemstones. Most people are unaware, outside of the trade, at the

> extent MOST gemstones are modified to enhance their apparent beauty. These

> cosmetic enhancements, while pleasing to the eye and the jewelers cash

> register, are intentionally obscuring the negative qualities the Garuda

> Purana specifically warns it's reader to avoid.

>  Unless one has a certificate from a legitimate gemological laboratory, like

> the GIA, stating that the stone is "natural", that is completely free from

> any kind of treatment meant to enhance it's perceived beauty, then don't

> beleive that it is.

>  I walked into a mall store one time and for fun asked the sales person

> whether or not the "padparashcha" sapphire ring their store was selling for

> $399.00 was "natural". She looked me straight in the eye and said," Yes sir

> it definately is." I told her," Oh good, I'll take ten".

>  A flawless 3-4 carat padparascha sapphire is worth more than twenty times

> what they were selling them for. Either she was a liar or she simply didn't

> know that what she had was man-made, "lab-created" sapphire worth about the

> cost of cutting it.

>  Some unscrupulous "gem dealers" also sell lab created (man-made) gems as if

> they are equal in value and efficacy to their natural counterparts they were

> created to imitate.

>  It gets worse. Let's look at each planetary gemstone and how they are

> altered to enhance their beauty, simultaneously destroying or masking their

> metaphysical potential.

>  RUBY, the gem of the sun. Nearly ALL rubies are heated, nearly to the

> melting point, to enhance the color distribution and clarity. A prettier

> stone is a costlier stone. This is about money. Some people say that ALL

> rubies are heat treated and the ones that are so- called "naturals" were

> heated only enough to remain undetected and thus get the "natural" seal of

> approval.

>  PEARL, the gem of the Moon. The pearls described by Sri Suta in Garuda

> Purana have little or no metaphysical resemblance to the nearly man-made

> "pearls" of Japanese mass production pearl farms.

>  A natural pearl occurs rarely in nature when an irritant becomes lodged

> inside an oyster and, over time becomes covered with "nacre", the pearly

> substance found on the inside of most bivalve species.

>  In pearl farms a large, round piece of mollusk shell is jammed inside the

> oyster to precipitate the process. If the oyster doesn't die from the trauma,

> it will cover the ball with nacre, producing what appears to be a perfect

> pearl. Unfortunately the beauty is only skin deep since the shell ball is

> generally only left in long enough to give a superficial coating. Heh, time

> is money and it costs money to take care of those little oysters.

>   This contrived process cannot be favorably compared to the mystic beauty

> and grace of a real pearl appearing by the exquisite arrangement the cosmos.

> How can these two vastly different products produce the same effect????

>  RED CORAL, the gemstone for Mars. O.K., I'll lighten up a bit here. For the

> most part, red coral is much easier to find than other gemstones in it's

> natural, unaltered form. However... it is often found to be dyed a deeper red

> color. Why... you guesed it. The deeper color commands a higher price. Try

> swabbing your Mars talisman with a Q tip dipped in acetone. Did it get a red

> stain on it. Yup, your talisman wallah duped you.

>  EMERALD, the gemstone for Mercury. Did you know that most emeralds, except

> for only the most exclusive, rare pieces, are by nature quite included. These

> imperfections, known as,"Le Jardin", or the garden, by whatever name it's a

> far cry from the "...pure, flawless gems" of Garuda Purana.

>  Enter the gem wizard... if you vacuum an oil of the same or similar

> refractive index into those nasty, unsightly little flaws, presto, they

> dissapear. Well, at least for a while. Sometimes the gem doctors color the

> oil green for added cosmetic effect. Does your "talisman" ooze unidentified

> liquids if it gets a little warm?

>  DIAMOND, the gemstone for Venus. Well, here you're a little more likely to

> get a stone that hasn't been doctored if you are buying a diamond for

> thousands of dollars to ammend your karmic shortcomings. BUT... diamonds are

> being synthesized, man-made. Watch out for laser drilling, acid baths and

> fracture filling with glass-like material as well. Bottom line again.

>  YELLOW SAPPHIRE, the gemstone for Jupiter. Bad news again folks. Like ruby,

> nearly ALL heated... except for the ones that were heated only enough to help

> cosmetically... but undetectable to spectrographic analysis.

>  BLUE SAPPHIRE, the gemstone for Saturn. Same, same, same. All corundum, that

> is ruby, yellow sapphire, and blue sapphire they're all heated. I've seen the

> photos. They use big commercial ovens, mostly in Thailand,(some guys make

> their living at this, it's all they do) where they shovel it in, crank it up

> and watch it glow. Not very metaphysical.

>  HESSONITE GARNET, the gemstone for Rahu. Well finally.... as far as I know

> this stone is not synthesised or treated. It's not too expensive either.

> Whether wearing one will solve all your Rahu problems if you have them...

> well, that's another thing.

>  CHRYSOBERYL CAT'S-EYE, the gemstone for Ketu. Generally a non- treated

> stone, but pricey for a real one. ALSO... recently a bunch of "beautiful"

> honey colored cat's eyes with perfect "eyes" wre found to be outrageously

> RADIOACTIVE! Have you been getting a "bad vibration" from your talisman

> lately???

>  Anyway, in all seriousness. My advice (unsolicited) to anyone who expects

> miraculous effects from spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on a

> stone to solve all your problems or enhance your standard of happiness in

> this world. Don't bother. It won't help. Send the money to India to the

> earthquake victims. Charity will have a much more profound effect on your

> consciousness.

>  Sorry if I'm blunt, insensitive, crude, or if I have offended anyones'

> sentiments. I just can't help it I'm a Mars in Scorpio lagna kind of guy.

> Gee... maybe a red coral...

>

> With regards to all,

> Sarva

>  

>

>

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HELLO SARVA,

You wrote,

<Anyway, in all seriousness. My advice (unsolicited) to anyone who expects

miraculous effects from spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on a

stone to solve all your problems or enhance your standard of happiness in this

world. Don't bother. It won't help. Send the money to India to the earthquake

victims. Charity will have a much more profound effect on your consciousness>

 

Very well said,

With Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

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Dear Manoj,

You write,

<By offering prayers or doing tapasya, we are not begging before anyone. The

soul in everyone of us is a part of that great soul called God. What we are

doing is only strengthening ourselves inwardly so that these problems of

life do not trouble us. We rise above these problems. We start getting

enlightened.

 

Have you ever talked to a friend on a crowded railway platform when nothing

is audible. You then concentrate all your energies in trying to listen to

what your friend is saying and forget all that is around you. That is the

effect of prayers, your energies are concentrated unidirectionally and

therefore you tend to forget everything else around.>

 

By prayers , by submission , by surrendering ,by begging from the Lord , what

we get is the Knowledge , inner vision which ultimately burn all the Good and

Bad deeds which we did in the present birth and also in the previous births ,

the results of which was likely to come to us in the next births /incarnations.

So one moves away from the cycle of birth and death. But what about the destiny

with which we were born in the present birth , which is shown by our birth chart

, to which we discuss in this list.

Even if one is liberated he will have to suffer for the deeds which one is

destined to suffer in the present birth,one will have to clear that much account

with which one is born. Look on the last times of Sukrat, Jesus, Mohamad, Meera,

Rakrishan Paramhans, Mahatama Budh.

Same has been said in AnksuUpnishad.

With regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

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Namaste Inder Jit Sahni:

 

I agree, good vision, but if the child wants to Play , let he/she

play, what to do, lots of wise advices were given.

 

Hare Ram

Chaitanya S. Das

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Inder Jit Sahni" <isawhney_21> wrote:

> HELLO SARVA,

> You wrote,

> <Anyway, in all seriousness. My advice (unsolicited) to anyone who

expects miraculous effects from spending hundreds or even thousands

of dollars on a stone to solve all your problems or enhance your

standard of happiness in this world. Don't bother. It won't help.

Send the money to India to the earthquake victims. Charity will have

a much more profound effect on your consciousness>

>

> Very well said,

> With Regards,

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

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>From the article The Eclipsed Ochre Moon, and Why ( Second One Down ) :

http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index10.html

 

" Joseph H. Cater offers an unheralded and alternative explanation for the

Moon's dark-side illumination at eclipse time which may reconcile all loose

ends. His explanation is given on page 262 of The Awesome Life Force: " What

actually happens is that the Moon seems to momentarily block out the flow of

soft electrons to the eclipsed area. This creates a void, which creates a

subsequent flow of soft electrons to the area from all sides." It is not so

much that the Moon blocks out the flow of soft electrons. In his later book,

The Ultimate Reality, Mr. Cater clears this up by saying: " The portion of

space cut off from the radiation of the sun by the Earth has a much lower

soft particle concentration than the surrounding space "

 

 

According to ancient, Puranic astronomical literature, the magnetic nodes of

the Sun and the Moon occupy the same degree as the luminaries at eclipse

time. Could it be that their influence somehow effects the normal flow of

soft electrons? Perhaps leeching them them away from the Lunar surface, thus

causing the accelerated flow to replace them?"

 

Do consider the update link at the bottom of the page.

 

Dharma/Dean

[Guest guest]

Why of course. It's a simple case of hyper-galacto-etheric

thrombofranatosis. Why didn't I think of that?

 

|

| Dean [0108]

| Friday, February 09, 2001 12:04 PM

| gjlist

| Cc: Tantrism

| Re: [gjlist] Re: gemstones

|

|

| From the article The Eclipsed Ochre Moon, and Why ( Second One Down ) :

| http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index10.html

|

| " Joseph H. Cater offers an unheralded and alternative

| explanation for the

| Moon's dark-side illumination at eclipse time which may

| reconcile all loose

| ends. His explanation is given on page 262 of The Awesome Life

| Force: " What

| actually happens is that the Moon seems to momentarily block out

| the flow of

| soft electrons to the eclipsed area. This creates a void, which creates a

| subsequent flow of soft electrons to the area from all sides."

| It is not so

| much that the Moon blocks out the flow of soft electrons. In his

| later book,

| The Ultimate Reality, Mr. Cater clears this up by saying: " The

| portion of

| space cut off from the radiation of the sun by the Earth has a much lower

| soft particle concentration than the surrounding space "

|

[Guest guest]

Your response is really funny. It's like astrologers trying to

explain away any event using their limited toolkit.

 

 

gjlist, "Bhaktisiddhartha Dasanudas" <dasanudas@m...>

wrote:

> Why of course. It's a simple case of hyper-galacto-etheric

> thrombofranatosis. Why didn't I think of that?

>

> |

> | Dean [0108@t...]

> | Friday, February 09, 2001 12:04 PM

> | gjlist

> | Cc: Tantrism

> | Re: [gjlist] Re: gemstones

> |

> |

> | From the article The Eclipsed Ochre Moon, and Why ( Second One

Down ) :

> | http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index10.html

> |

> | " Joseph H. Cater offers an unheralded and alternative

> | explanation for the

> | Moon's dark-side illumination at eclipse time which may

> | reconcile all loose

> | ends. His explanation is given on page 262 of The Awesome Life

> | Force: " What

> | actually happens is that the Moon seems to momentarily block out

> | the flow of

> | soft electrons to the eclipsed area. This creates a void, which

creates a

> | subsequent flow of soft electrons to the area from all sides."

> | It is not so

> | much that the Moon blocks out the flow of soft electrons. In his

> | later book,

> | The Ultimate Reality, Mr. Cater clears this up by saying: " The

> | portion of

> | space cut off from the radiation of the sun by the Earth has a

much lower

> | soft particle concentration than the surrounding space "

> |