Astrology & abortion

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris

 

<<As tempting a concept as karma is to those who would prefer to abdicate

thought on current issues of the day, I'm not buying this idea that women who

abort are somehow punished in later lives. Sounds exactly what the religious

nuts on the right argue: you're goin' straight to hell!>>

 

The belief system can be seen from your 9th house. If you believe that there is

not hell, that is your belief but sometimes it is hell to believe that there is

not hell. I agree that sometimes the message given by some religious people can

be exagerated cos that is the way they want to exprees their belief. But every

responsible father warns his babies no to touch fire cos it burns. The baby may

think that the father is a nut case but he gets burn cos that is the nature of

fire.

 

When i was young i went against the beliefs of my Chatolic family. Years later

my Indian guides in the mountains of Oaxaca woke me up from my ignorance. Their

tradition is very ancient & they have the key of the transition between what we

call life & death. They can destroy your conditionments & for you to see

reality. In this materiallistic society we are conditioned to believe in

certain values & it is another conditionment to refuse those values. Thesis &

anti-thesis. You follow either the thesis or the anti-thesis. But higher than

that we have the synthesis when we evaluate both paths & come to a synthesis.

Higher than this we have the mathesis, the master degree saying that you have

achieved the correct value. To achieve the synthesis or the mathesis you need

teachers & masters otherwise you are wasting your time. There are teachers &

masters within you and without you. They are always guiding you saying " oh

Chris, wait for the experience to see the equation of life, you have not seen

nothing yet". Life is sacred & should be respected. Budha preached "no

violence" and Jesus "you shall no kill". Do you think that they were nut cases?

Do you think that the fathers of vedic astrology were nut cases when they wrote

all the yogas?. Go to the mountains in Mexico or go to find a real teacher that

opens for you the eyes to reality. I was like you Chris but i ended asking for

forgiveness even to the stones around me, when i realized that the jivas, the

souls, our brothers and sisters have the same right as us to experience what we

call life. The jivas take a body allocated by higher authorities to learn about

life. That body is just lended & if we misuse it we have to pay for it. What

would be your reaction if someone comes and breaks your precious computer?

There will be a reaction from you or from the police. Destroying a body or even

to help to cause that destruction, causes a reaction. When that reaction comes,

believe me, you are not allowed to be succesful either spiritual or materially

until you pay or you help to pay. You may say "BS" to this, but the day will

come when you will say uuups like i said one day. I too tought that i was a big

boy & found that i am a baby in this cosmic manifestation, & in need of help

from the masters.

 

<<This is the sort of thing that really puts me off the more "spiritual" (for

lack of a better word) jyotish. It's totally unprovable either way, so you have

these people claiming to be able see past lives and all this heavy bad karma or

whatever. I know you're not advocating this position and just

wanted to relay a relevant story. I'm not trying to cut you down on this. I

just had to respond to it. It makes me barf.>>

 

There are cheaters & there are masters. The cheaters will have a reaction & the

masters are doing their duty. There are quackers & there are doctors. There is

a big difference.

 

<<It's totally unprovable either way>> MMMM, you will see one day either in

this life or the next.

 

Best wishes

natabara