Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hello, >From what I've read in the classics the second house rules the speech and truthfullness, whereas the third rules the throat and sound of voice. As for writing the 5th house is that of scholarship. I have only found two references to authorship in BPHS. Chapter 26 slokas 57 and 59 It says that if the 5th lord is in the 9th or 11th the person will be a great author. Other than that I have found nothing. Also for musical ability I only found one reference to the 4th house. Chapter 17 sloka 3. However I know that musical instruments skill as well as singing voice is also realted to the third. The third is the house of communication, such as books, and is related to the performing arts. I am also interested in this topic, and would be very eager to read any of the classics that deal with the communicative aspect of the third. Whether they are Eastern or Western classics. I would be glad to receive some direction. Thanks, Alex gjlist , Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote: > Andrew: > > >> I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. afflicted > >> 2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many jyotishis > >> also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking. > >The > >> 3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology. > >> Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into > >> consideration. So much for precise analyses! > >> > > Yes this is all true about speech as the second house rules the mouth > >and throat but the 3rd house rules the nervous system and the mental > >inclination. The 3rd house also governs writing through the movement of the > >arms. I think the 3rd house governs the mode or nature of expression of the > >speech. For example, my speech has the nature of Mars in expression in that > >it is sharp, cutting and often cynical. I can literally wound and cut with > >my speech as shown by Mars the 3rd lord. Jupiter as lord of the 2nd house > >would show my speaking organs are well formed and I have a clear and healthy > >voice. > > Could be true, but it's just as likely that 2L Jupiter is conjunct Mars and > THAT is the source of your harsh speech. The fact that Jupiter is you 2L > is not that important; since that's tantamount to sayin that Aquarius > rising people are incapable of harsh speech. As if! The other important > -- probably most important thing -- is that Rahu aspects (9H!) your 2nd > house cusp within a degree, irrespective of whether you use equal house > cusps or sripati cusps. Also if we take chandra lagna, then Mercury is > your 2L, then we have the Mars influence all over again, only way more > strongly since it is less than one degree from exact conjunction. If > speech was governed by the 3H, then its lord Mars wouldn't influence it, > Mercury would -- the planet it conjuncts. You would not be harsh in > speech, you would be more purely analytical. > > It is a bit like the 4th and 5th house ruling the heart. The 4th > >rules the emotional and watery aspect and the 5th the muscular and fiery > >aspect. This shows why the 5th is concerned with love affairs and other > >things that make the heart pump faster. The 9th and 10th reveal the father > >and status given by him. If you look at George Bush Jnrs chart, his 10th > >lord, or lord of the house of the face of the father is Mars. Mars is in his > >2nd house showing he has the same crusty face as the father. My 5th lord of > >the house of speech of the mother is Mercury. The affliction of Mars on > >Mercury show why my Mother has very fierce speech and swears like a > >shearer.Your point about Jupiter with Mars is relevent to my speech also. > >All houses are interelated in these ways. We must also look to Mercury and > >its placement as well. I think basically the 2nd house does show your > >ability to speak and the 3rd shows the nature of the expression of this > >speech. Make sense?? > > Well, no, it doesn't to me. It ought to be all contained within one house, > the 2nd. Now please be clear that I could care less about agreeing with > the classics for its own sake. My only point is that until and unless you > can clearly show a reason to deviate from them, then we should stick with > them. And they say that the 2nd has to do with speech, both ability and > style. (No chapter and verse here) Writing may well be shared with the > 3rd or just the 3rd. I haven't satisfied my own curiosity on the subject. > Many writers (Frawley, Houck, Braha) have linked writing with the 2nd, so > that's the default for me until i can find something that shows otherwise. > I have sometimes, but I haven't seen enough charts yet to make it stick. > > > > > > >>What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is > >> immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet. > > > >Well firstly Cancer is the sign of the emotions and feelings of the heart. I > >speak from the heart. Planets in the birth yogi's nakshatra are boosted for > >the good. This Rahu is is the nakshatra of Ashleesha a sharp and dreadful > >star which is symbolised by the coiled serpent of the Kundalini. This gives > >the potency to the speech and expression. Ashleesha is ruled by Mercury the > >karaka of speech and my 5th and 8th lords. Mars and Mercury fall in the > >nakshatra of Rahu who is in the sign of the Moon and both aspect the Moon in > >the 7th house. The Moon as the dispositor of Rahu is in the nakshatra of > >Magha ruled by Ketu. Ketu is in the 12th house with Saturn who is dispositor > >of all three planets in the lagna. Both Saturn and Ketu fall in the nakshara > >of the Moon, Shravana. Shravana is said to give knowledge of the Vedas and > >the ability and inclination to disregard the material world. It is a > >nakshatra of service to humanity. > > How lovely for you! :-) > > My Saturn is final dispositor of all the > >planets in the12th house and also aspects my atmakaraka of Venus to within 1 > >degree. Gurudeva has his Moon in Shravana as does David Frawley who is also > >a devotee of Gurudeva like me. I'm actually getting to the stage where I > >couldn't give a toss about anything and I really look forward to going to > >sleep at night where I have no connection with the physical world anymore. > > > > > >What I find very interesting also is the connection between charts of people > >who connect together like us on the net. Your chart and my chart are well > >matched as is mine with Robert Koch's. My Pundit has Moon, Sun and Jupiter > >in Aquarius in my lagna and he has exalted Venus like me also. > > This is good stuff and I agree -- it's hugely important as far as relating > to others, learning from others, and it even goes down to what writers you > like. My favourite writer right now is Jack Kerouac (never read him as a > kid), and when I cast his chart, I found his Asc-Moon conjunction(@ 21Leo) > were less than one degree from my Venus! Amazing stuff, I'm sure it's like > that with all of our favourite artists. I'd like to look at this more, > however, and see which planets are key for say, the teacher-student > relationship (ie. who can we learn from). My early sense is if we are to > learn from someone, their Jupiter, 5L and 9L should make contact with key > points in your horoscope, esp 5L, 9L, Asc and Sun. If it is a pleasant > exchange of ideas and questions, then the more contacts the better with > Sun, Moon and Venus, lagnesh. Jupiter seems key to me, as it represents > jnana/wisdom. Also Jupiter's navamsha positions should be included, as it > is a slow moving planet. > > Yogaswami was > >born with the Moon in Aquarius and he is my Pundits Guru. Subramuniyaswami > >or Gurudeva who is the disciple of Yogaswami was born with Jupiter in > >Aquarius within 1 degree of my Jupiter and his Moon falls on the same degree > >as my lagna lord. My lagna lord falls in his lagna of Capricorn and > >Gurudeva's lagna lord falls in the lagna of Pundits in Scorpio. If I > >remember correctly David Frawley also has Jupiter in Aquarius and the Moon > >in Capricorn. Are all these aspects coincidence or not. > > No way. You're lucky you've found a link in the chain that fits you. > > I do know I've read > >everything Gurudeva has written and everything David has written also. > >Pundit claims he converses with both Yogaswami and Gurudeva everynight when > >he is asleep. All I know is I feel connected to all these people and the > >knowlege they have. I also believe this has been going on long before the > >19th of March 1962 when I was born. A rational man like yourself may well > >think I'm insane... > > Nayh, you're just "blessed" with enlightement. I however remain stubbornly > fixed in the mundane world. > > >> > > >> > > This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. Lack > >> of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house. > > > >For ambition you also need a well placed and prominent Sun indicating strong > >self belief and the need to be shine in life. My Sun is in the 12th sign in > >the nakshatra of Saturn and also aspected by Saturn. I have no real sense of > >self and couldn't give a rats arse anymore about what others think about me. > > I doubt things are that simple. My Sun is in Leo in the 8th and exalted in > Aries in navamsha. There are a few afflictions here and there but they're > not superclose. And I have little sense of self as well, no ambition, and > no "will to power" at all. I'm meek and mild, retiring by nature, and find > people with egos repugnant. I'm really a wimp so you'd have no problem > ripping my arms off! This whole ambition sounds more like a composite > picture of a variety of factors, rather than just one or two. See, my 3L > is Jupiter which is in the 12th conjunct Saturn (ahem!). Sounds better > than the weak Sun argument. > > > I > >> know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted > >> because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury. > > > >No planet in the lagna is weak! Mars is 10th lord in the lagna. > > That's good for your profile and possible career success, that's not > specifically about ambition per se, nor other Martian matters. > > In navamsha > >Mars is lagna lord exalted in the 10th house with Rahu. Jupiter and Mercury > >have directional strength in the lagna. Any more cracks about my weak Mars > >and I'll reach through cyberspace and rip your F***** arms off.......... > >(only kidding). Make no mistake I'm a red hot Mars man. Mercury is > >afflicted. Mercury has taken on the energy of this strong Mars. > > But Mars' strength must be judged by looking at what contacts it has, not > just where it is. How do you explain all the trouble you've had with the > cops, the fights, the temper, and all that great Andrew stuff? It's not > typical Mars behaviour. It sounds like Mars run haywire a bit, an > afflicted Mars in other words. The most glaring affliction is its > supertight conjunction with the most malefic lord of he bunch, the 8th. It > may well give you great strength and sexual prowess, but it overloads > sometimes too. Blame it on Mercury, man! Sure Mercury's damaged by Mars' > natural qualities but Mercury more than returns the favour by virtue of its > nasty house rulership. > > your Sun-Venus in Leo buddy, > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Parasara also places importance to trines in navamsa indicating innate nature of a person in determining writers, musicians, singers etc. I have Sun in 5th from Karakamsa and I have great liking for music and playing musical instruments Examples If Guru and Chandr are in Karakamsh or the 5th there of, the native will be an author. Shukr in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there will make one an ordinary writer, while Buddh in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there will indicate that the writing skills are less than those of an ordinary writer. Should Guru be alone in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there, one will be a knower of everything, be a writer, and be versed in Vedas and Vedanta philosophy, but not an oratorian or a grammarian. Mangal in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes a logician, Buddh in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes a Mimamsaka (follower of Karma Mimansa philosophy), Shani in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there indicates that one is dull-witted in the assembly, Surya in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes that one is a musician, Chandr in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes a follower of Sankhya philosophy (of Maharishi Kapila who enumerated 25 true principles with emphasis on final bliss), and indicates that one is versed in rhetorics and singing, and Ketu or Rahu in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes that one is a Jyotishi. gjlist , "Alex " <lostinmotion@h...> wrote: > Hello, > > From what I've read in the classics the second house rules the speech > and truthfullness, whereas the third rules the throat and sound of > voice. > > As for writing the 5th house is that of scholarship. I have only > found two references to authorship in BPHS. > > Chapter 26 slokas 57 and 59 > > It says that if the 5th lord is in the 9th or 11th the person will be > a great author. Other than that I have found nothing. Also for > musical ability I only found one reference to the 4th house. Chapter > 17 sloka 3. > > However I know that musical instruments skill as well as singing > voice is also realted to the third. > > The third is the house of communication, such as books, and is > related to the performing arts. I am also interested in this topic, > and would be very eager to read any of the classics that deal with > the communicative aspect of the third. Whether they are Eastern or > Western classics. I would be glad to receive some direction. > > Thanks, > > Alex > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hello, Thanks for the information. Yes, also the 5th from Karakamsh is important for writing and music. Why the 5th house? Because it is the house of scholarship and creativity? Alex gjlist , "Ravi Chivukula" <ravichivukula@h...> wrote: > Parasara also places importance to trines in navamsa indicating > innate nature of a person in determining writers, musicians, singers > etc. > > I have Sun in 5th from Karakamsa and I have great liking for music > and playing musical instruments > > Examples > > If Guru and Chandr are in Karakamsh or the 5th there of, the native > will be an author. > > Shukr in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there will make one > an ordinary writer, > > while Buddh in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there will > indicate that the writing skills are less than those of an > ordinary writer. > > Should Guru be alone in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there, > one will be a knower of everything, be a writer, and be > versed in Vedas and Vedanta philosophy, but not an > oratorian or a grammarian. > > Mangal in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes a > logician, > > Buddh in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes a > Mimamsaka (follower of Karma Mimansa philosophy), > Shani in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there indicates that > one is dull-witted in the assembly, > > Surya in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes that > one is a musician, > > Chandr in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there denotes a > follower of Sankhya philosophy (of Maharishi Kapila who > enumerated 25 true principles with emphasis on final > bliss), and indicates that one is versed in rhetorics > and singing, > > and Ketu or Rahu in Karakamsh or in the 5th from there > denotes that one is a Jyotishi. > > > > > > gjlist , "Alex " <lostinmotion@h...> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > From what I've read in the classics the second house rules the > speech > > and truthfullness, whereas the third rules the throat and sound of > > voice. > > > > As for writing the 5th house is that of scholarship. I have only > > found two references to authorship in BPHS. > > > > Chapter 26 slokas 57 and 59 > > > > It says that if the 5th lord is in the 9th or 11th the person will > be > > a great author. Other than that I have found nothing. Also for > > musical ability I only found one reference to the 4th house. > Chapter > > 17 sloka 3. > > > > However I know that musical instruments skill as well as singing > > voice is also realted to the third. > > > > The third is the house of communication, such as books, and is > > related to the performing arts. I am also interested in this topic, > > and would be very eager to read any of the classics that deal with > > the communicative aspect of the third. Whether they are Eastern or > > Western classics. I would be glad to receive some direction. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alex > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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