Rahu, writing, synastric connections

[Guest guest]

Dear Christopher

 

One of the main points about my Mars and Mercury conjunction I forgot to

mention is the fact I suffer badly from skin cancers. I have been under the

knife about 3 or 4 times to get them removed and others have been burnt off.

My Mercury as karaka of the skin and lungs is badly afflicted by a Pitta

planet giving these problems. Mercury as the karaka of the nervous system is

heated by Mars and I run very hot. My lungs are also very poor also. I have

taken to having cold showers every few hours and it helps keep me cool.

Mercury is the 8th lord of chronic problems and skin cancer has been a bad

problem for me. Mercury is also the 5th lord of children and I have no

children except for my Pommeraniam and Bull Mastiff dog

 

The 3rd house is the house of the basic mental motivation. Sri Bhasin calls

it the house of the self as it reveals the nature of our thinking. My third

house lord is a strong Mars while yours is Jupiter located in the 12th house

with the slow moving Saturn. Your 2nd lord of speech is also Saturn in the

12th house. The third house is also an impulsive and fickle house as it has

the nature of Gemini. My Mars as 3rd lord is malefic as it makes me too

impulsive and too quick to speak my mind. This is actually bad as most times

you are better off staying silent. There is a lot of wisdom is the saying

"it is better

to stay silent and be thought of as fool than to open your mouth and remove

all doubt"

 

Certain planets in the 12th house may be good for spiritual interests and

give lack of wordly interest

but this is more than likely to get you into serious troubles. Modern

society is all about achievement,

material wealth and success at any cost. It is all about accumulation, we

feel content by accumulating as

much as possible and preferably more than all our friends. If you don't do

this you are branded a loser.

 

I always look at the chart of people who contact me and see the relationship

of them to me according to the planets.

 

 

 

Andrew

[Guest guest]

Andrew:

 

>> I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. afflicted

>> 2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many jyotishis

>> also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking.

>The

>> 3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology.

>> Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into

>> consideration. So much for precise analyses!

>>

> Yes this is all true about speech as the second house rules the mouth

>and throat but the 3rd house rules the nervous system and the mental

>inclination. The 3rd house also governs writing through the movement of the

>arms. I think the 3rd house governs the mode or nature of expression of the

>speech. For example, my speech has the nature of Mars in expression in that

>it is sharp, cutting and often cynical. I can literally wound and cut with

>my speech as shown by Mars the 3rd lord. Jupiter as lord of the 2nd house

>would show my speaking organs are well formed and I have a clear and healthy

>voice.

 

Could be true, but it's just as likely that 2L Jupiter is conjunct Mars and

THAT is the source of your harsh speech. The fact that Jupiter is you 2L

is not that important; since that's tantamount to sayin that Aquarius

rising people are incapable of harsh speech. As if! The other important

-- probably most important thing -- is that Rahu aspects (9H!) your 2nd

house cusp within a degree, irrespective of whether you use equal house

cusps or sripati cusps. Also if we take chandra lagna, then Mercury is

your 2L, then we have the Mars influence all over again, only way more

strongly since it is less than one degree from exact conjunction. If

speech was governed by the 3H, then its lord Mars wouldn't influence it,

Mercury would -- the planet it conjuncts. You would not be harsh in

speech, you would be more purely analytical.

 

It is a bit like the 4th and 5th house ruling the heart. The 4th

>rules the emotional and watery aspect and the 5th the muscular and fiery

>aspect. This shows why the 5th is concerned with love affairs and other

>things that make the heart pump faster. The 9th and 10th reveal the father

>and status given by him. If you look at George Bush Jnrs chart, his 10th

>lord, or lord of the house of the face of the father is Mars. Mars is in his

>2nd house showing he has the same crusty face as the father. My 5th lord of

>the house of speech of the mother is Mercury. The affliction of Mars on

>Mercury show why my Mother has very fierce speech and swears like a

>shearer.Your point about Jupiter with Mars is relevent to my speech also.

>All houses are interelated in these ways. We must also look to Mercury and

>its placement as well. I think basically the 2nd house does show your

>ability to speak and the 3rd shows the nature of the expression of this

>speech. Make sense??

 

Well, no, it doesn't to me. It ought to be all contained within one house,

the 2nd. Now please be clear that I could care less about agreeing with

the classics for its own sake. My only point is that until and unless you

can clearly show a reason to deviate from them, then we should stick with

them. And they say that the 2nd has to do with speech, both ability and

style. (No chapter and verse here) Writing may well be shared with the

3rd or just the 3rd. I haven't satisfied my own curiosity on the subject.

Many writers (Frawley, Houck, Braha) have linked writing with the 2nd, so

that's the default for me until i can find something that shows otherwise.

I have sometimes, but I haven't seen enough charts yet to make it stick.

 

 

 

>

>>What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is

>> immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet.

>

>Well firstly Cancer is the sign of the emotions and feelings of the heart. I

>speak from the heart. Planets in the birth yogi's nakshatra are boosted for

>the good. This Rahu is is the nakshatra of Ashleesha a sharp and dreadful

>star which is symbolised by the coiled serpent of the Kundalini. This gives

>the potency to the speech and expression. Ashleesha is ruled by Mercury the

>karaka of speech and my 5th and 8th lords. Mars and Mercury fall in the

>nakshatra of Rahu who is in the sign of the Moon and both aspect the Moon in

>the 7th house. The Moon as the dispositor of Rahu is in the nakshatra of

>Magha ruled by Ketu. Ketu is in the 12th house with Saturn who is dispositor

>of all three planets in the lagna. Both Saturn and Ketu fall in the nakshara

>of the Moon, Shravana. Shravana is said to give knowledge of the Vedas and

>the ability and inclination to disregard the material world. It is a

>nakshatra of service to humanity.

 

How lovely for you! :-)

 

My Saturn is final dispositor of all the

>planets in the12th house and also aspects my atmakaraka of Venus to within 1

>degree. Gurudeva has his Moon in Shravana as does David Frawley who is also

>a devotee of Gurudeva like me. I'm actually getting to the stage where I

>couldn't give a toss about anything and I really look forward to going to

>sleep at night where I have no connection with the physical world anymore.

 

 

>

>What I find very interesting also is the connection between charts of people

>who connect together like us on the net. Your chart and my chart are well

>matched as is mine with Robert Koch's. My Pundit has Moon, Sun and Jupiter

>in Aquarius in my lagna and he has exalted Venus like me also.

 

This is good stuff and I agree -- it's hugely important as far as relating

to others, learning from others, and it even goes down to what writers you

like. My favourite writer right now is Jack Kerouac (never read him as a

kid), and when I cast his chart, I found his Asc-Moon conjunction(@ 21Leo)

were less than one degree from my Venus! Amazing stuff, I'm sure it's like

that with all of our favourite artists. I'd like to look at this more,

however, and see which planets are key for say, the teacher-student

relationship (ie. who can we learn from). My early sense is if we are to

learn from someone, their Jupiter, 5L and 9L should make contact with key

points in your horoscope, esp 5L, 9L, Asc and Sun. If it is a pleasant

exchange of ideas and questions, then the more contacts the better with

Sun, Moon and Venus, lagnesh. Jupiter seems key to me, as it represents

jnana/wisdom. Also Jupiter's navamsha positions should be included, as it

is a slow moving planet.

 

Yogaswami was

>born with the Moon in Aquarius and he is my Pundits Guru. Subramuniyaswami

>or Gurudeva who is the disciple of Yogaswami was born with Jupiter in

>Aquarius within 1 degree of my Jupiter and his Moon falls on the same degree

>as my lagna lord. My lagna lord falls in his lagna of Capricorn and

>Gurudeva's lagna lord falls in the lagna of Pundits in Scorpio. If I

>remember correctly David Frawley also has Jupiter in Aquarius and the Moon

>in Capricorn. Are all these aspects coincidence or not.

 

No way. You're lucky you've found a link in the chain that fits you.

 

I do know I've read

>everything Gurudeva has written and everything David has written also.

>Pundit claims he converses with both Yogaswami and Gurudeva everynight when

>he is asleep. All I know is I feel connected to all these people and the

>knowlege they have. I also believe this has been going on long before the

>19th of March 1962 when I was born. A rational man like yourself may well

>think I'm insane...

 

Nayh, you're just "blessed" with enlightement. I however remain stubbornly

fixed in the mundane world.

 

>> >

>>

> This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. Lack

>> of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house.

>

>For ambition you also need a well placed and prominent Sun indicating strong

>self belief and the need to be shine in life. My Sun is in the 12th sign in

>the nakshatra of Saturn and also aspected by Saturn. I have no real sense of

>self and couldn't give a rats arse anymore about what others think about me.

 

I doubt things are that simple. My Sun is in Leo in the 8th and exalted in

Aries in navamsha. There are a few afflictions here and there but they're

not superclose. And I have little sense of self as well, no ambition, and

no "will to power" at all. I'm meek and mild, retiring by nature, and find

people with egos repugnant. I'm really a wimp so you'd have no problem

ripping my arms off! This whole ambition sounds more like a composite

picture of a variety of factors, rather than just one or two. See, my 3L

is Jupiter which is in the 12th conjunct Saturn (ahem!). Sounds better

than the weak Sun argument.

 

> I

>> know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted

>> because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury.

>

>No planet in the lagna is weak! Mars is 10th lord in the lagna.

 

That's good for your profile and possible career success, that's not

specifically about ambition per se, nor other Martian matters.

 

In navamsha

>Mars is lagna lord exalted in the 10th house with Rahu. Jupiter and Mercury

>have directional strength in the lagna. Any more cracks about my weak Mars

>and I'll reach through cyberspace and rip your F***** arms off..........

>(only kidding). Make no mistake I'm a red hot Mars man. Mercury is

>afflicted. Mercury has taken on the energy of this strong Mars.

 

But Mars' strength must be judged by looking at what contacts it has, not

just where it is. How do you explain all the trouble you've had with the

cops, the fights, the temper, and all that great Andrew stuff? It's not

typical Mars behaviour. It sounds like Mars run haywire a bit, an

afflicted Mars in other words. The most glaring affliction is its

supertight conjunction with the most malefic lord of he bunch, the 8th. It

may well give you great strength and sexual prowess, but it overloads

sometimes too. Blame it on Mercury, man! Sure Mercury's damaged by Mars'

natural qualities but Mercury more than returns the favour by virtue of its

nasty house rulership.

 

your Sun-Venus in Leo buddy,

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Andrew:

 

 

>One of the main points about my Mars and Mercury conjunction I forgot to

>mention is the fact I suffer badly from skin cancers. I have been under the

>knife about 3 or 4 times to get them removed and others have been burnt off.

>My Mercury as karaka of the skin and lungs is badly afflicted by a Pitta

>planet giving these problems. Mercury as the karaka of the nervous system is

>heated by Mars and I run very hot. My lungs are also very poor also. I have

>taken to having cold showers every few hours and it helps keep me cool.

>Mercury is the 8th lord of chronic problems and skin cancer has been a bad

>problem for me. Mercury is also the 5th lord of children and I have no

>children except for my Pommeraniam and Bull Mastiff dog

 

So that's the Mars affliction to Mercury-ruled things. Makes sense. God,

how do you stand Thailand (or Oz for that matter) if you run hot? Mars

closely aspects my lagnesh and I get "scrambled brains" in the height of

summer. Another obvious element of the Mars affliction and speaking that I

missed: as karaka of speech Mercury is afflicted by Mars regardless of its

house ownership. As Mars rules logic as well, then a certain amount of

reason will be there too. I think you would be given to cutting speech

patterns even if Mars ruled, say the 12th and the 5th by virtue of the tie

with Mercury.

 

>

>The 3rd house is the house of the basic mental motivation. Sri Bhasin calls

>it the house of the self as it reveals the nature of our thinking. My third

>house lord is a strong Mars

 

Sorry, it ain't THAT strong...

 

while yours is Jupiter located in the 12th house

>with the slow moving Saturn. Your 2nd lord of speech is also Saturn in the

>12th house. The third house is also an impulsive and fickle house as it has

>the nature of Gemini. My Mars as 3rd lord is malefic as it makes me too

>impulsive and too quick to speak my mind.

 

I think you're going up a blind alley here. Whether or not the lord of a

particular house is malefic or benefic is really a very minor issue, as it

is so easily overruled/redirected by connections to a conjoined/aspected

planet. The fact that your 3rd lord is in lagna that suggests you really

more of a doer in life than you've said. The 8th house connection might

mean that things sometimes go awry: your ambition/impulsive action gets you

into trouble. But this position is at odds with your original statement

that you're lazy and without ambition. I guess both are true as yoru

lagnesh with Ketu in the 12th provides the inertia side the equation. As

you say, with my 3L in the 12th with somber Saturn, I often don't bother to

get into gear at all. Ideas remain ideas.

 

>this you are branded a loser.

>

>I always look at the chart of people who contact me and see the relationship

>of them to me according to the planets.

>

 

Have you ever refused to do a reading because of incompatibility? Or just

expected a less than enthuiastic response to your insights?

 

Christopher

[Guest guest]

Watermelon is a great cooling food and can help to

calm excess pitta. It is a member of the cucumber

family and was brought to the united states by the

africans. My friend told me about it to calm a fever

that my child had. It really works. It brought his

fever from 102 to 100. worked better than tylenol.

It will also calm excess pitta and releive anger.

 

donna

 

 

--- Christopher Kevill <ckevill wrote:

> Andrew:

>

>

> >One of the main points about my Mars and Mercury

> conjunction I forgot to

> >mention is the fact I suffer badly from skin

> cancers. I have been under the

> >knife about 3 or 4 times to get them removed and

> others have been burnt off.

> >My Mercury as karaka of the skin and lungs is badly

> afflicted by a Pitta

> >planet giving these problems. Mercury as the karaka

> of the nervous system is

> >heated by Mars and I run very hot. My lungs are

> also very poor also. I have

> >taken to having cold showers every few hours and it

> helps keep me cool.

> >Mercury is the 8th lord of chronic problems and

> skin cancer has been a bad

> >problem for me. Mercury is also the 5th lord of

> children and I have no

> >children except for my Pommeraniam and Bull Mastiff

> dog

>

> So that's the Mars affliction to Mercury-ruled

> things. Makes sense. God,

> how do you stand Thailand (or Oz for that matter) if

> you run hot? Mars

> closely aspects my lagnesh and I get "scrambled

> brains" in the height of

> summer. Another obvious element of the Mars

> affliction and speaking that I

> missed: as karaka of speech Mercury is afflicted by

> Mars regardless of its

> house ownership. As Mars rules logic as well, then

> a certain amount of

> reason will be there too. I think you would be

> given to cutting speech

> patterns even if Mars ruled, say the 12th and the

> 5th by virtue of the tie

> with Mercury.

>

> >

> >The 3rd house is the house of the basic mental

> motivation. Sri Bhasin calls

> >it the house of the self as it reveals the nature

> of our thinking. My third

> >house lord is a strong Mars

>

> Sorry, it ain't THAT strong...

>

> while yours is Jupiter located in the 12th house

> >with the slow moving Saturn. Your 2nd lord of

> speech is also Saturn in the

> >12th house. The third house is also an impulsive

> and fickle house as it has

> >the nature of Gemini. My Mars as 3rd lord is

> malefic as it makes me too

> >impulsive and too quick to speak my mind.

>

> I think you're going up a blind alley here. Whether

> or not the lord of a

> particular house is malefic or benefic is really a

> very minor issue, as it

> is so easily overruled/redirected by connections to

> a conjoined/aspected

> planet. The fact that your 3rd lord is in lagna that

> suggests you really

> more of a doer in life than you've said. The 8th

> house connection might

> mean that things sometimes go awry: your

> ambition/impulsive action gets you

> into trouble. But this position is at odds with

> your original statement

> that you're lazy and without ambition. I guess both

> are true as yoru

> lagnesh with Ketu in the 12th provides the inertia

> side the equation. As

> you say, with my 3L in the 12th with somber Saturn,

> I often don't bother to

> get into gear at all. Ideas remain ideas.

>

> >this you are branded a loser.

> >

> >I always look at the chart of people who contact me

> and see the relationship

> >of them to me according to the planets.

> >

>

> Have you ever refused to do a reading because of

> incompatibility? Or just

> expected a less than enthuiastic response to your

> insights?

>

> Christopher

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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