Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hi Andrew, Just a small contribution to the list: My Saturn is in third, Lord of 7th and 8th- I' ve always been good in writing, and I feel that it's presence in my 3rd, makes me much calmer, cautious with words, with very good (too good?) self-control, less nervous, etc- than otherwise would have been the case (based on the rest of horoscope)- Yes, these are attributes that I like, and appreciate in others as well. Impatient speech, irritability, nervousness can hurt other people, and if not given already (as I think is the case with me), I believe that it is possible (and necessary) to control it, as much as possible. When it's not, I think the very intention will be recognized by people (and forgiven), and we'll be better able to forgive ourselves.. Again, I obviously "love" my Saturn- can anybody explain the reason why I am so respectful of my Saturn, an it's values (although he afflicts my Scorpio Moon)? Anna - Andrew Lynn gjlist Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:10 AM Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu > Andrew: > > I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. afflicted > 2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many jyotishis > also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking. The > 3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology. > Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into > consideration. So much for precise analyses! > Yes this is all true about speech as the second house rules the mouth and throat but the 3rd house rules the nervous system and the mental inclination. The 3rd house also governs writing through the movement of the arms. I think the 3rd house governs the mode or nature of expression of the speech. For example, my speech has the nature of Mars in expression in that it is sharp, cutting and often cynical. I can literally wound and cut with my speech as shown by Mars the 3rd lord. Jupiter as lord of the 2nd house would show my speaking organs are well formed and I have a clear and healthy voice. It is a bit like the 4th and 5th house ruling the heart. The 4th rules the emotional and watery aspect and the 5th the muscular and fiery aspect. This shows why the 5th is concerned with love affairs and other things that make the heart pump faster. The 9th and 10th reveal the father and status given by him. If you look at George Bush Jnrs chart, his 10th lord, or lord of the house of the face of the father is Mars. Mars is in his 2nd house showing he has the same crusty face as the father. My 5th lord of the house of speech of the mother is Mercury. The affliction of Mars on Mercury show why my Mother has very fierce speech and swears like a shearer.Your point about Jupiter with Mars is relevent to my speech also. All houses are interelated in these ways. We must also look to Mercury and its placement as well. I think basically the 2nd house does show your ability to speak and the 3rd shows the nature of the expression of this speech. Make sense?? The mouth and arms usually work in sync when we speak also. e.g Italians >What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is > immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet. Well firstly Cancer is the sign of the emotions and feelings of the heart. I speak from the heart. Planets in the birth yogi's nakshatra are boosted for the good. This Rahu is is the nakshatra of Ashleesha a sharp and dreadful star which is symbolised by the coiled serpent of the Kundalini. This gives the potency to the speech and expression. Ashleesha is ruled by Mercury the karaka of speech and my 5th and 8th lords. Mars and Mercury fall in the nakshatra of Rahu who is in the sign of the Moon and both aspect the Moon in the 7th house. The Moon as the dispositor of Rahu is in the nakshatra of Magha ruled by Ketu. Ketu is in the 12th house with Saturn who is dispositor of all three planets in the lagna. Both Saturn and Ketu fall in the nakshara of the Moon, Shravana. Shravana is said to give knowledge of the Vedas and the ability and inclination to disregard the material world. It is a nakshatra of service to humanity. My Saturn is final dispositor of all the planets in the12th house and also aspects my atmakaraka of Venus to within 1 degree. Gurudeva has his Moon in Shravana as does David Frawley who is also a devotee of Gurudeva like me. I'm actually getting to the stage where I couldn't give a toss about anything and I really look forward to going to sleep at night where I have no connection with the physical world anymore. What I find very interesting also is the connection between charts of people who connect together like us on the net. Your chart and my chart are well matched as is mine with Robert Koch's. My Pundit has Moon, Sun and Jupiter in Aquarius in my lagna and he has exalted Venus like me also. Yogaswami was born with the Moon in Aquarius and he is my Pundits Guru. Subramuniyaswami or Gurudeva who is the disciple of Yogaswami was born with Jupiter in Aquarius within 1 degree of my Jupiter and his Moon falls on the same degree as my lagna lord. My lagna lord falls in his lagna of Capricorn and Gurudeva's lagna lord falls in the lagna of Pundits in Scorpio. If I remember correctly David Frawley also has Jupiter in Aquarius and the Moon in Capricorn. Are all these aspects coincidence or not. I do know I've read everything Gurudeva has written and everything David has written also. Pundit claims he converses with both Yogaswami and Gurudeva everynight when he is asleep. All I know is I feel connected to all these people and the knowlege they have. I also believe this has been going on long before the 19th of March 1962 when I was born. A rational man like yourself may well think I'm insane... > > > This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. Lack > of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house. For ambition you also need a well placed and prominent Sun indicating strong self belief and the need to be shine in life. My Sun is in the 12th sign in the nakshatra of Saturn and also aspected by Saturn. I have no real sense of self and couldn't give a rats arse anymore about what others think about me. I > know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted > because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury. No planet in the lagna is weak! Mars is 10th lord in the lagna. In navamsha Mars is lagna lord exalted in the 10th house with Rahu. Jupiter and Mercury have directional strength in the lagna. Any more cracks about my weak Mars and I'll reach through cyberspace and rip your F***** arms off.......... (only kidding). Make no mistake I'm a red hot Mars man. Mercury is afflicted. Mercury has taken on the energy of this strong Mars. That has to distort > Mars and its 3L role somewhat. I would argue that it accounts for more > than your share of scrapes. Maybe also for ambition. Anyway, I'm a lazy > bugger too who disdains ambition (it's so crass!) and my Saturn is also in > the 12th! However, there has to be more to it that this, as your Ketu conj > suggests. Look the Moon could be made of frozen yoghurt for all I really know. Some old Pundit told me when Saturn transits Gemini in aspect to my Sun, Venus and Moon I will renounce women. That would be interesting!! > > > . Where is the dividing line between fatalistic karma and compassion and justice? Who knows? The Sun, Moon and Neptune are conjunct in my 12th house of sleep with my lagna lord. No wonder I have no perspective of reality tonight. Good dreams tonight......... > > Andrew > P.S I actually got an email from David Frawley today about Mrityu bhaga. > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hi Manoj, Thanks for your response. You are right, my Saturn is in Virgo, cancer Lagna..+Sc. Moon, jup-Pisces,etc.( I didn't say I was born in 1958, that's from another member's post) Regards, Anna - Manoj Pathak gjlist Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:21 AM Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu/ 2-3 house Hello Anna, >From what you write here, it is clear that you are born under cancer ascendant with Saturn in the third house as Lord of Seventh and Eighth house. But that would place Saturn in Virgo, whereas you mention that you were born in 1958 when Saturn could either be in Scorpio or Saggittarius. So please check it up. Jupiter would be in Libra and Rahu in Virgo. So please check it up, or is it that I am getting it all wrong. regards, Manoj >"Anna" <anmar >gjlist ><gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu/ 2-3 house >Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:01:49 -0500 > >Hi Andrew, > >Just a small contribution to the list: My Saturn is in third, Lord of 7th >and 8th- I' ve always been good in writing, >and I feel that it's presence in my 3rd, makes me much calmer, cautious >with words, with very good (too good?) self-control, less nervous, etc- >than otherwise would have been the case (based on the rest of horoscope)- >Yes, these are attributes that I like, and appreciate in others as well. > >Impatient speech, irritability, nervousness can hurt other people, and if >not given already (as I think is the case with me), I believe that it is >possible (and necessary) to control it, as much as possible. When it's not, >I think the very intention will be recognized by people (and forgiven), and >we'll be better able to forgive ourselves.. > >Again, I obviously "love" my Saturn- can anybody explain the reason why I >am so respectful of my Saturn, an it's values (although he afflicts my >Scorpio Moon)? > >Anna > > > - > Andrew Lynn > gjlist > Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:10 AM > Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu > > > > > > > > Andrew: > > > > I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. >afflicted > > 2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many >jyotishis > > also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking. > The > > 3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology. > > Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into > > consideration. So much for precise analyses! > > > Yes this is all true about speech as the second house rules the >mouth > and throat but the 3rd house rules the nervous system and the mental > inclination. The 3rd house also governs writing through the movement of >the > arms. I think the 3rd house governs the mode or nature of expression of >the > speech. For example, my speech has the nature of Mars in expression in >that > it is sharp, cutting and often cynical. I can literally wound and cut >with > my speech as shown by Mars the 3rd lord. Jupiter as lord of the 2nd >house > would show my speaking organs are well formed and I have a clear and >healthy > voice. It is a bit like the 4th and 5th house ruling the heart. The 4th > rules the emotional and watery aspect and the 5th the muscular and fiery > aspect. This shows why the 5th is concerned with love affairs and other > things that make the heart pump faster. The 9th and 10th reveal the >father > and status given by him. If you look at George Bush Jnrs chart, his 10th > lord, or lord of the house of the face of the father is Mars. Mars is in >his > 2nd house showing he has the same crusty face as the father. My 5th lord >of > the house of speech of the mother is Mercury. The affliction of Mars on > Mercury show why my Mother has very fierce speech and swears like a > shearer.Your point about Jupiter with Mars is relevent to my speech >also. > All houses are interelated in these ways. We must also look to Mercury >and > its placement as well. I think basically the 2nd house does show your > ability to speak and the 3rd shows the nature of the expression of this > speech. Make sense?? The mouth and arms usually work in sync when we >speak > also. e.g Italians > > >What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is > > immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet. > > Well firstly Cancer is the sign of the emotions and feelings of the >heart. I > speak from the heart. Planets in the birth yogi's nakshatra are boosted >for > the good. This Rahu is is the nakshatra of Ashleesha a sharp and >dreadful > star which is symbolised by the coiled serpent of the Kundalini. This >gives > the potency to the speech and expression. Ashleesha is ruled by Mercury >the > karaka of speech and my 5th and 8th lords. Mars and Mercury fall in the > nakshatra of Rahu who is in the sign of the Moon and both aspect the >Moon in > the 7th house. The Moon as the dispositor of Rahu is in the nakshatra of > Magha ruled by Ketu. Ketu is in the 12th house with Saturn who is >dispositor > of all three planets in the lagna. Both Saturn and Ketu fall in the >nakshara > of the Moon, Shravana. Shravana is said to give knowledge of the Vedas >and > the ability and inclination to disregard the material world. It is a > nakshatra of service to humanity. My Saturn is final dispositor of all >the > planets in the12th house and also aspects my atmakaraka of Venus to >within 1 > degree. Gurudeva has his Moon in Shravana as does David Frawley who is >also > a devotee of Gurudeva like me. I'm actually getting to the stage where I > couldn't give a toss about anything and I really look forward to going >to > sleep at night where I have no connection with the physical world >anymore. > > What I find very interesting also is the connection between charts of >people > who connect together like us on the net. Your chart and my chart are >well > matched as is mine with Robert Koch's. My Pundit has Moon, Sun and >Jupiter > in Aquarius in my lagna and he has exalted Venus like me also. Yogaswami >was > born with the Moon in Aquarius and he is my Pundits Guru. >Subramuniyaswami > or Gurudeva who is the disciple of Yogaswami was born with Jupiter in > Aquarius within 1 degree of my Jupiter and his Moon falls on the same >degree > as my lagna lord. My lagna lord falls in his lagna of Capricorn and > Gurudeva's lagna lord falls in the lagna of Pundits in Scorpio. If I > remember correctly David Frawley also has Jupiter in Aquarius and the >Moon > in Capricorn. Are all these aspects coincidence or not. I do know I've >read > everything Gurudeva has written and everything David has written also. > Pundit claims he converses with both Yogaswami and Gurudeva everynight >when > he is asleep. All I know is I feel connected to all these people and the > knowlege they have. I also believe this has been going on long before >the > 19th of March 1962 when I was born. A rational man like yourself may >well > think I'm insane... > > > > > > This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. >Lack > > of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house. > > For ambition you also need a well placed and prominent Sun indicating >strong > self belief and the need to be shine in life. My Sun is in the 12th sign >in > the nakshatra of Saturn and also aspected by Saturn. I have no real >sense of > self and couldn't give a rats arse anymore about what others think about >me. > I > > know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted > > because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury. > > No planet in the lagna is weak! Mars is 10th lord in the lagna. In >navamsha > Mars is lagna lord exalted in the 10th house with Rahu. Jupiter and >Mercury > have directional strength in the lagna. Any more cracks about my weak >Mars > and I'll reach through cyberspace and rip your F***** arms off.......... > (only kidding). Make no mistake I'm a red hot Mars man. Mercury is > afflicted. Mercury has taken on the energy of this strong Mars. > > That has to distort > > Mars and its 3L role somewhat. I would argue that it accounts for >more > > than your share of scrapes. Maybe also for ambition. Anyway, I'm a > lazy > > bugger too who disdains ambition (it's so crass!) and my Saturn is >also in > > the 12th! However, there has to be more to it that this, as your Ketu > conj > > suggests. > > Look the Moon could be made of frozen yoghurt for all I really know. >Some > old Pundit told me when Saturn transits Gemini in aspect to my Sun, >Venus > and Moon I will renounce women. That would be interesting!! > > > > > > . Where is the dividing line between fatalistic karma and compassion >and > justice? > > Who knows? The Sun, Moon and Neptune are conjunct in my 12th house of >sleep > with my lagna lord. No wonder I have no perspective of reality tonight. > > Good dreams tonight......... > > > > > > Andrew > > > > P.S I actually got an email from David Frawley today about Mrityu >bhaga. > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hello Anna, >From what you write here, it is clear that you are born under cancer ascendant with Saturn in the third house as Lord of Seventh and Eighth house. But that would place Saturn in Virgo, whereas you mention that you were born in 1958 when Saturn could either be in Scorpio or Saggittarius. So please check it up. Jupiter would be in Libra and Rahu in Virgo. So please check it up, or is it that I am getting it all wrong. regards, Manoj >"Anna" <anmar >gjlist ><gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu/ 2-3 house >Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:01:49 -0500 > >Hi Andrew, > >Just a small contribution to the list: My Saturn is in third, Lord of 7th >and 8th- I' ve always been good in writing, >and I feel that it's presence in my 3rd, makes me much calmer, cautious >with words, with very good (too good?) self-control, less nervous, etc- >than otherwise would have been the case (based on the rest of horoscope)- >Yes, these are attributes that I like, and appreciate in others as well. > >Impatient speech, irritability, nervousness can hurt other people, and if >not given already (as I think is the case with me), I believe that it is >possible (and necessary) to control it, as much as possible. When it's not, >I think the very intention will be recognized by people (and forgiven), and >we'll be better able to forgive ourselves.. > >Again, I obviously "love" my Saturn- can anybody explain the reason why I >am so respectful of my Saturn, an it's values (although he afflicts my >Scorpio Moon)? > >Anna > > > - > Andrew Lynn > gjlist > Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:10 AM > Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu > > > > > > > > Andrew: > > > > I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. >afflicted > > 2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many >jyotishis > > also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking. > The > > 3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology. > > Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into > > consideration. So much for precise analyses! > > > Yes this is all true about speech as the second house rules the >mouth > and throat but the 3rd house rules the nervous system and the mental > inclination. The 3rd house also governs writing through the movement of >the > arms. I think the 3rd house governs the mode or nature of expression of >the > speech. For example, my speech has the nature of Mars in expression in >that > it is sharp, cutting and often cynical. I can literally wound and cut >with > my speech as shown by Mars the 3rd lord. Jupiter as lord of the 2nd >house > would show my speaking organs are well formed and I have a clear and >healthy > voice. It is a bit like the 4th and 5th house ruling the heart. The 4th > rules the emotional and watery aspect and the 5th the muscular and fiery > aspect. This shows why the 5th is concerned with love affairs and other > things that make the heart pump faster. The 9th and 10th reveal the >father > and status given by him. If you look at George Bush Jnrs chart, his 10th > lord, or lord of the house of the face of the father is Mars. Mars is in >his > 2nd house showing he has the same crusty face as the father. My 5th lord >of > the house of speech of the mother is Mercury. The affliction of Mars on > Mercury show why my Mother has very fierce speech and swears like a > shearer.Your point about Jupiter with Mars is relevent to my speech >also. > All houses are interelated in these ways. We must also look to Mercury >and > its placement as well. I think basically the 2nd house does show your > ability to speak and the 3rd shows the nature of the expression of this > speech. Make sense?? The mouth and arms usually work in sync when we >speak > also. e.g Italians > > >What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is > > immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet. > > Well firstly Cancer is the sign of the emotions and feelings of the >heart. I > speak from the heart. Planets in the birth yogi's nakshatra are boosted >for > the good. This Rahu is is the nakshatra of Ashleesha a sharp and >dreadful > star which is symbolised by the coiled serpent of the Kundalini. This >gives > the potency to the speech and expression. Ashleesha is ruled by Mercury >the > karaka of speech and my 5th and 8th lords. Mars and Mercury fall in the > nakshatra of Rahu who is in the sign of the Moon and both aspect the >Moon in > the 7th house. The Moon as the dispositor of Rahu is in the nakshatra of > Magha ruled by Ketu. Ketu is in the 12th house with Saturn who is >dispositor > of all three planets in the lagna. Both Saturn and Ketu fall in the >nakshara > of the Moon, Shravana. Shravana is said to give knowledge of the Vedas >and > the ability and inclination to disregard the material world. It is a > nakshatra of service to humanity. My Saturn is final dispositor of all >the > planets in the12th house and also aspects my atmakaraka of Venus to >within 1 > degree. Gurudeva has his Moon in Shravana as does David Frawley who is >also > a devotee of Gurudeva like me. I'm actually getting to the stage where I > couldn't give a toss about anything and I really look forward to going >to > sleep at night where I have no connection with the physical world >anymore. > > What I find very interesting also is the connection between charts of >people > who connect together like us on the net. Your chart and my chart are >well > matched as is mine with Robert Koch's. My Pundit has Moon, Sun and >Jupiter > in Aquarius in my lagna and he has exalted Venus like me also. Yogaswami >was > born with the Moon in Aquarius and he is my Pundits Guru. >Subramuniyaswami > or Gurudeva who is the disciple of Yogaswami was born with Jupiter in > Aquarius within 1 degree of my Jupiter and his Moon falls on the same >degree > as my lagna lord. My lagna lord falls in his lagna of Capricorn and > Gurudeva's lagna lord falls in the lagna of Pundits in Scorpio. If I > remember correctly David Frawley also has Jupiter in Aquarius and the >Moon > in Capricorn. Are all these aspects coincidence or not. I do know I've >read > everything Gurudeva has written and everything David has written also. > Pundit claims he converses with both Yogaswami and Gurudeva everynight >when > he is asleep. All I know is I feel connected to all these people and the > knowlege they have. I also believe this has been going on long before >the > 19th of March 1962 when I was born. A rational man like yourself may >well > think I'm insane... > > > > > > This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. >Lack > > of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house. > > For ambition you also need a well placed and prominent Sun indicating >strong > self belief and the need to be shine in life. My Sun is in the 12th sign >in > the nakshatra of Saturn and also aspected by Saturn. I have no real >sense of > self and couldn't give a rats arse anymore about what others think about >me. > I > > know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted > > because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury. > > No planet in the lagna is weak! Mars is 10th lord in the lagna. In >navamsha > Mars is lagna lord exalted in the 10th house with Rahu. Jupiter and >Mercury > have directional strength in the lagna. Any more cracks about my weak >Mars > and I'll reach through cyberspace and rip your F***** arms off.......... > (only kidding). Make no mistake I'm a red hot Mars man. Mercury is > afflicted. Mercury has taken on the energy of this strong Mars. > > That has to distort > > Mars and its 3L role somewhat. I would argue that it accounts for >more > > than your share of scrapes. Maybe also for ambition. Anyway, I'm a > lazy > > bugger too who disdains ambition (it's so crass!) and my Saturn is >also in > > the 12th! However, there has to be more to it that this, as your Ketu > conj > > suggests. > > Look the Moon could be made of frozen yoghurt for all I really know. >Some > old Pundit told me when Saturn transits Gemini in aspect to my Sun, >Venus > and Moon I will renounce women. That would be interesting!! > > > > > > . Where is the dividing line between fatalistic karma and compassion >and > justice? > > Who knows? The Sun, Moon and Neptune are conjunct in my 12th house of >sleep > with my lagna lord. No wonder I have no perspective of reality tonight. > > Good dreams tonight......... > > > > > > Andrew > > > > P.S I actually got an email from David Frawley today about Mrityu >bhaga. > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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