Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 Dear Robert namaste, it is fascinant all this about MB. When i started to study vedic astrology, i used to investigate all the rules and yogas but later on i became stuck in certain areas only. I used to study mundane, graha & bhava balas etc & i ended observing my clients trends. The MB is new to me & thanks to your posting i became curious & i think that it is going to give me another perspective of things. I think that i have in my collection of charts few murderers & i am going to apply them. You mention a lady <<TODAY: I had a client with 4 planets plus the lagna all in MB! She has not died yet, nor has she ever killed anybody, but she is a gifted telepathic healer by profession, and has cured people of deadly diseases up to cancer. So here again, is a variation on the theme of death, and planets in MB.>> I too have a karma of getting people like her, in fact i am surrounded by them. About 15 years ago, i started to see in "spiritualists" (that is how they call themselves but i prefer to call them spiritists like in brazil) a combination of Mars/Rahu/Ketu/Saturn, either in conjunction or opposition and noticed that Mars close to Ketu indicates healers, the closer the planets the more powerful their skills. So, i read the chart to a friend of mine, a nice guy ex-miner. I told him that his Mars & Ketu indicated healing powers. He never heard of things like that before & asked me where to find a teacher. I sent him to the spiritualist churches but they just laughed at him. He persisted and found a teacher. Whitin 12 months he was healing cancer patients and doctors cancer especialists used to send him terminal pacients & he had a good rate of success. One day i went to see my lawyer who told me that everyone in the office used to laugh at my friend cos they knew him before in a different way. But they change their minds when one of their clients, an old lady was told by doctors to just go home to die. the old lady was given only 6 weeks to live & with nothing to lose, she went to see this healer. 6 weeks later doctors found that the cancer dissapeared completely & she went back to the lawyers to tell them & change her will. My friend says that he does not know how it happens but extreme heat burst in his arms and hands. My feeling is that it is a combination of the yellow color of Mars & the infrared of Ketu, joining together to produce those healing energies. BTW, those colors are given by Dr Batacharya from India. I want to apply the MB to mediums, healers and psychic people to observe what is going on. I will report to you later. My files and old astro programes are in a blink & a friend just gave me the GJ for christmas, so it is going to take time to put things together. Anyway, many thanks to help me focus my attention on the MB points. Regards natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 Dear Andrew, At 06:27 PM 1/23/01 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Robert > >I just returned from Pundit Navaratnams house where we had a long discussion >about these Mrityu Bhaga points. He has the lagna cusp in Scorpio, Mercury >in the 5th and Rahu in the 8th house all in Mrityu Bhaga. Quite rightly, in >his case he questions the "death inflicting interpretation" associated with >this. His Mercury dasha was very good for him also with publishing of books >and travel to America He actually thinks Mrityu means friend or friendly, >and I keep telling him the word for friend is Mitra because in the Thai >language Mit means friend and is taken directly from the Sanskrit original. >What is the exact translation of "Mrityu Bhaga" in Sanskrit? . I thought >Mrityu Bhaga means "death of fortune" or "death of enjoyment" or something >similar. I know all this as a Thai speaker and the Thais call Mike Tyson >"Mrityu Dam" which is literally "Black Death". "Mrtyu" means death, and "bhaga" means division. So the divisor, or degrees, of death, are the Mrtyu bhaga points. These are indeed taught, with the specific degrees for each planet in the 12 signs including Rahu/Ketu, in the Jataka Parijata, as quoted before. Pick up a copy of JP, if you don't already have it in your library. In any case, Mrtyu does not mean "friendly", in fact, you will find that friendliness is the exact opposite of what happens when planets in MB activate maraka periods, or when they are aspected by malefics, especially Saturn, in transit. Anyway, I do not have a scanner with this computer, and thus it would be time consuming for me to copy all of that chapter into an email. >I also showed him my page with the article on Caroline and her suicide. He >automatically said the 4th lord Jupiter as a heavy planet in the 8th house >shows a heavy vehicle killed her. He went on for ten minutes about things >that I had never even thought about which were so accurate. He kept >modifying my points and and I just started laughing. He was really saying >"don't get too cocky son!" I am still the Pundit around here... I think your guru is trying to reinforce basic principles surrounding longevity in his teachings to you. Yes, you can likely see death without taking MB into account, but then again, if there are more tools to work with (and ones which in fact work), then so much the better for developing a reliable predictive methodology. Another point is the "Mrtyu-saham", which again is a degree giving death, yet is part of the Tajaka, or Varshaphal system. Then again, there is the "Mrtyu-pada", or the Arudha of the 8th house, that should also be taken into consideration. According to Jaimini, the 3rd and 8th from Arudha lagna give death during dasas related. There are also specific Ayur dasas, i.e. dasas meant only for the purpose of timing death, which you should definitely learn if you are going to work with longevity studies. The most important of these, is the Shoola and Navamsa dasas, as well as Sthira dasa. So the basics should be learned, yes, but gradually you start adding additional tools, and not speculative ones either, as they are all offered for our learning by sages Parasara, Jaimini, Varahamihira, etc. With regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 Om Krishnaaya Namah Hi Andrew, > and I keep telling him the word for friend is Mitra because in the Thai > language Mit means friend and is taken directly from the Sanskrit original. > What is the exact translation of "Mrityu Bhaga" in Sanskrit? . Mrityu means death. Bhaga means division, or portion. So it's a division of death. >I thought Mrityu Bhaga means "death of fortune" or "death of enjoyment" No, enjoyment is Bhoga. > > Pundit gave me his "a part is not the whole line" and rightly says the > charts I have shown him as examples have many other indications of the > trouble I attribute to Mrityu Bhaga. If it is possible can you scan the > actual ancient text which mentions these points so I can look at it ? Thats > if you actually have it. Certainly, one would expect other indications as these give the confluence, which shows Dridha karma (to use the language of Hart deFouw). One would be in a rather uncomfortable position if one was predicting on the basis of one factor alone. Nevertheless, from initial examination of charts, it does appear as if Mrityu Bhaga does have it's own special significance provided it has the support of other indications. I don't have a Scanner, but if you can get hold of the texts, the Moon's Mrityu Bhaga is referred to in the Phaladipika, while all the planets degrees are given in the Jataka Parijata. I seem to remember that Prashna Marga also refers to these points although I'm not certain. Hope it helps, Pursottam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 natabara wrote: > Dear Robert > > namaste, it is fascinant all this about MB. Dear Natabara, Robert has shown the importance of MB positions. But I think it is better to note all charts where MB spots are occupied, to see how they work in non-death associations. These spots may be "vital", but only if triggered off by some other factor! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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