Guest guest Posted January 20, 2001 Report Share Posted January 20, 2001 Dear Robert, I've carefully read all the posts related to Nodes. I've already ask you about Nodes influence in my own chart, and you kindly responded. However, my real life experience, so far, has been when Rahu sub-period came, it was actually good for me. In view of what I've learned so far, I cannot find any explanation why Rahu was as you, I think, mentioned once, "kind to me". I have no idea. Do you? Thanks. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Dear Anna, At 12:18 AM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Robert, > >I've carefully read all the posts related to Nodes. I've already ask you >about Nodes influence in my own chart, and you kindly responded. However, >my real life experience, so far, has been when Rahu sub-period came, it >was actually good for me. In view of what I've learned so far, I cannot >find any explanation why Rahu was as you, I think, mentioned once, "kind >to me". I have no idea. Do you? >Thanks. >Anna There are some important and essential rules for determining whether or not Rahu is going to work beneficially, or otherwise, as would be expected due to his being a malefic. There are various statements first of all regarding the dignities of Rahu (exaltation and debilitation) in various classical texts. Please note the following * Parasara Hora Shastra: Rahu is exalted in Taurus, and debilitated in Scorpio (reverse for Ketu). Rahu's Moolatrikona sign is Gemini, Ketu's is Sagittarius. Own sign for Rahu is Gemini, and for Ketu is Sg. * Sarvartha Chintamani: Rahu is exalted in Ta, and Ketu in Sc. Moolatrikona is Cn, and for Ketu it is Cp. There are no own signs. * Jataka Bharanam: Rahu is exalted in Gemini, deb. in Sg. Reverse for Ketu. Own sign is Virgo, and Ketu's is Pisces. * Jaimini Sutram: Rahu is exalted in Ta, and deb. in Sc. Reverse for Ketu. No Moolatrikona signs. Rahu's own sign is Aquarius, and Ketu's is Sc. So, synthesizing the above from classic works, Rahu is strong in the signs of Venus as well as Mercury, and Ketu is strong in those of Mars as well as Jupiter. Note that in the opinion of Sarvartha Chintamani (a very respected text), Cancer and Capricorn are strong for Rahu/Ketu respectively. So keep these in mind so far as the sign placements of the nodes are concerned. * Other strengthening factors: Rahu/Ketu causes a Raja-yoga when placed in a Trikona house, and joined with the lord of a kendra; or, placed in a kendra house, and joined with the lord of a Trikona. Generally, they give good results in their dasas/bhuktis when placed in trikona houses, even if not joined with the above lords. * Rahu/Ketu will give benefic results when conjoined or aspected by benefics. Note that the benefic results will come during the periods of Rahu/Ketu, whereas during the periods of the benefic conjoining, malefic results will be experienced (due to Rahu's association). * Note this, and very important: If Rahu or Ketu conjoins a benefic planet ruling the 2nd or 7th, he does not give good results, but instead can kill the native during related dasas and sub-periods. Benefics, thus, who rule maraka houses (2nd and 7th) are worse as killers than malefics who rule or occupy such houses, and give their bad results during the dasas/bhuktis of malefics such as Rahu/Ketu. Other functionally malefic planets can do the same, such as rulers of 6, 8, 12, 3 or 11, although not to the same magnitude as those ruling the 2nd and 7th. And further to this: * According to BPHS: "If Rahu or Ketu were to occupy the beneficial houses of 5 or 9, and if they are in association with, or aspected by, the lord of the Maraka houses, 2nd or 7th, then they cause death in their periods, even though the lord of the houses 5 and 9 are suppose to produce Raja-yoga". * If not conjoined or aspected by benefics, Rahu/Ketu give the results of their dispositors. This includes their sign dispositors, as well as naksatra dispositors. * Note the areas of life wherein you got good results during a Rahu sub-period: was Rahu well placed, according to the above guidelines, in the related divisional chart? For example, Rahu may occupy the 8th or 12th houses in the rasi chart (bad placements), yet in the Dasamsa (10th division for career), might occupy the 9th, with the lord of the 10th. This would give great results in career, whereas simultaneously the natal placement would give health problems, emotional unrest, expenditures, or troubles due to thieves or strangers. * Rahu might be placed in the 7th house of the Navamsa chart, in which case, if it is conjoined/aspected by Venus, the 7th lord, Moon, or Jupiter, or the lord of Navamsa lagna, could bring marriage during its dasa or sub-period. See his placement relative to the Upapada (Arudha of the 12th house), as well as Darapada (Arudha of the 7th house), to see if marriage is clearly possible during dasas of Rahu/Ketu. * There is plenty of evidence to show, that both nodes give marriage during their dasas. * Note that malefics will function well in their dasas/bhuktis if placed in the 3rd, 6th, or 11th. If placed in such positions, Rahu/Ketu will give good results in their periods. *Finally, when you start to use Rasi dasas (sign-based dasas systems), dasa/bhukti periods which are conjoined or aspected by Rahu, generally give bad results, regardless of dignities, aspects to them, or house placements. So you see, not all karma is bad, and thus Rahu, particularly important for the manifestation of unresolved karmas coming onto lower density planes, can bring good, mixed, or bad results during his periods. The above are but a few guidelines that will help you delineate his effects in all charts. I recommend the following classical book for your study, which gives many details on the effects of Rahu/Ketu according to the peculiarities of different charts: "Laghu Parasari Siddhant", translation by S.S. Sareen. Particularly Chapter one has some good material. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Dear Robert, This is an invaluable lesson, indeed. Thanks so much- I will have to study this more if I want to understand all that you wrote, as I will- so full of valuable info this message is! I haven't been in Rahu period yet, but I've noticed that in it's sub-periods I was doing fairly well (Rahu in Navasma chart is in my 5th house, conj. Mars- and moon in Cp. is in 6th. ) In natal chart it's in 8th house- Aquarius. To give you some feedback: I married, and more importantly my son was born- I've felt that as a pure luck!!!, in Venus-Rahu (Venus, Lord of 4th in 6th house- haven't figured out why, based on "recipe"). I received "good inheritance" (I normally "hate" inheritance, because of it's connection with death- so, when I say good- that's an inheritance from smb. outside family- Kethy period at my early age was painful for my family an myself). Venus- Saturn was good too() Moon-Rahu was good too. (Divisional charts, hmm-I have to learn more to be able to understand the lesson). I still don't know how to interpret (Navasma) Mars-Rahu conj. in Sag., 5th house, nor 4- Charturtamsa, with Moon and kethy in second(leo), mars in 7th/ nor16-Shodashamsa divisional chart, where Moon, Sun, Jupiter, Mars, and Rahu are in second. And I am really interested to know how Rahu- Conj-Mars in Navasma, (since they are in trine natally) would affect me, in Mars period which wiil be next- ( I think you know my chart, already?)- if you get a chance to look at this, I would appricate that. As for divisional charts- I think one needs a teacher first, and than to work and study them... What I know for sure is that I will save your text, print it out and study more. Thanks, Robert. Hope all the listers will benefit from this "extract" of knowledge you offered to me/us. Anna - Robert A. Koch gjlist Sunday, January 21, 2001 5:37 PM [gjlist] Re: Rahu Dear Anna, At 12:18 AM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Robert, > >I've carefully read all the posts related to Nodes. I've already ask you >about Nodes influence in my own chart, and you kindly responded. However, >my real life experience, so far, has been when Rahu sub-period came, it >was actually good for me. In view of what I've learned so far, I cannot >find any explanation why Rahu was as you, I think, mentioned once, "kind >to me". I have no idea. Do you? >Thanks. >Anna There are some important and essential rules for determining whether or not Rahu is going to work beneficially, or otherwise, as would be expected due to his being a malefic. There are various statements first of all regarding the dignities of Rahu (exaltation and debilitation) in various classical texts. Please note the following * Parasara Hora Shastra: Rahu is exalted in Taurus, and debilitated in Scorpio (reverse for Ketu). Rahu's Moolatrikona sign is Gemini, Ketu's is Sagittarius. Own sign for Rahu is Gemini, and for Ketu is Sg. * Sarvartha Chintamani: Rahu is exalted in Ta, and Ketu in Sc. Moolatrikona is Cn, and for Ketu it is Cp. There are no own signs. * Jataka Bharanam: Rahu is exalted in Gemini, deb. in Sg. Reverse for Ketu. Own sign is Virgo, and Ketu's is Pisces. * Jaimini Sutram: Rahu is exalted in Ta, and deb. in Sc. Reverse for Ketu. No Moolatrikona signs. Rahu's own sign is Aquarius, and Ketu's is Sc. So, synthesizing the above from classic works, Rahu is strong in the signs of Venus as well as Mercury, and Ketu is strong in those of Mars as well as Jupiter. Note that in the opinion of Sarvartha Chintamani (a very respected text), Cancer and Capricorn are strong for Rahu/Ketu respectively. So keep these in mind so far as the sign placements of the nodes are concerned. * Other strengthening factors: Rahu/Ketu causes a Raja-yoga when placed in a Trikona house, and joined with the lord of a kendra; or, placed in a kendra house, and joined with the lord of a Trikona. Generally, they give good results in their dasas/bhuktis when placed in trikona houses, even if not joined with the above lords. * Rahu/Ketu will give benefic results when conjoined or aspected by benefics. Note that the benefic results will come during the periods of Rahu/Ketu, whereas during the periods of the benefic conjoining, malefic results will be experienced (due to Rahu's association). * Note this, and very important: If Rahu or Ketu conjoins a benefic planet ruling the 2nd or 7th, he does not give good results, but instead can kill the native during related dasas and sub-periods. Benefics, thus, who rule maraka houses (2nd and 7th) are worse as killers than malefics who rule or occupy such houses, and give their bad results during the dasas/bhuktis of malefics such as Rahu/Ketu. Other functionally malefic planets can do the same, such as rulers of 6, 8, 12, 3 or 11, although not to the same magnitude as those ruling the 2nd and 7th. And further to this: * According to BPHS: "If Rahu or Ketu were to occupy the beneficial houses of 5 or 9, and if they are in association with, or aspected by, the lord of the Maraka houses, 2nd or 7th, then they cause death in their periods, even though the lord of the houses 5 and 9 are suppose to produce Raja-yoga". * If not conjoined or aspected by benefics, Rahu/Ketu give the results of their dispositors. This includes their sign dispositors, as well as naksatra dispositors. * Note the areas of life wherein you got good results during a Rahu sub-period: was Rahu well placed, according to the above guidelines, in the related divisional chart? For example, Rahu may occupy the 8th or 12th houses in the rasi chart (bad placements), yet in the Dasamsa (10th division for career), might occupy the 9th, with the lord of the 10th. This would give great results in career, whereas simultaneously the natal placement would give health problems, emotional unrest, expenditures, or troubles due to thieves or strangers. * Rahu might be placed in the 7th house of the Navamsa chart, in which case, if it is conjoined/aspected by Venus, the 7th lord, Moon, or Jupiter, or the lord of Navamsa lagna, could bring marriage during its dasa or sub-period. See his placement relative to the Upapada (Arudha of the 12th house), as well as Darapada (Arudha of the 7th house), to see if marriage is clearly possible during dasas of Rahu/Ketu. * There is plenty of evidence to show, that both nodes give marriage during their dasas. * Note that malefics will function well in their dasas/bhuktis if placed in the 3rd, 6th, or 11th. If placed in such positions, Rahu/Ketu will give good results in their periods. *Finally, when you start to use Rasi dasas (sign-based dasas systems), dasa/bhukti periods which are conjoined or aspected by Rahu, generally give bad results, regardless of dignities, aspects to them, or house placements. So you see, not all karma is bad, and thus Rahu, particularly important for the manifestation of unresolved karmas coming onto lower density planes, can bring good, mixed, or bad results during his periods. The above are but a few guidelines that will help you delineate his effects in all charts. I recommend the following classical book for your study, which gives many details on the effects of Rahu/Ketu according to the peculiarities of different charts: "Laghu Parasari Siddhant", translation by S.S. Sareen. Particularly Chapter one has some good material. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Dear Anna I told you already your Rahu in the 8th house as ava yogi will give good results overall as it is in its own nakshatra. Negatively it is also trine to Mars putting them in association in the 5th house of the navamsha chart. Rahu in the 8th house shows your keen intellect and interest in deeper levels of consciousness and thinking. However, this association of Mars and Rahu shows the destructive relationship with your son. He always diappoints you and you cannot fathom him out. The dispostor of Rahu is Saturn in the 3rd house of mental outlook showing your thinking can become dark and gloomy. This Saturn also aspects the Moon. Mars as the lord of the 5th house of children is in the 12th house of loss from the 5th and trine to Rahu putting them together the navamsha chart. Do not miss these important aspects. You are interested in all 8th house things like deep thinking and transformative energies. Your Moon is in the 8th sign and Rahu is in the 8th house, Saturn the 8th lord is in the 3rd house of mental motivation. Your Uranus is also in the 8th house from Moon in the 8th sign. Saturn in your chart is with Neptune in the 3rd house and I would think this causes a pull between concrete, material reality of Saturn and the mystical, formless influences of Neptune. Pluto in the lagna in Cancer may also give tremendous intensity to the mind as it is in the Moons sign and close trine to the natal Moon. The 8th house is influencing you very much as would be expected. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Hello Robert, Just a small input. Go back to the charts of George Bush the junior and the senior and you find, nodes playing an important role in propelling them to this pedestal. regards, Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Dear Andrew, You are absolutely right- I have always been interested in 8th house matters, deeper lever of consciousness, diligently working my own research- in that area. As for Neptune, I feel it as a good influence on my Saturn- otherwise I would have been limited by already strict, strong Saturn- or to be more precise, I think that Saturn gives the form and helps it manifest positively in my life- in my artistic work in particular- no mater how creative I am, without Saturn, I wouldn't be able to work hard (and painting is a hard work) to make it manifest in forms that I, after exciting dissatisfactions, finally can be proud of, saying to myself:that's it!! Formless influence of Neptune as you said (I like that expression!), softens, in my opinion, Saturn, and it in return gives structure (through persistence, effort) to dreams initiated by Neptune, that otherwise wouldn't be possible. I find that conj. quite beneficial- and whenever my creativity is stapled, I don't feel good- be that in art, profession, 8th house matters. (and my deep belief in self-healing, searching for help outside traditional medicine- all 8th house stuff..) I am aware of the fact that this is a vedic list- but now that you mentioned Pluto in my first- yes, I've always been impressed and quite familiar with that energy (and intensity, yes)- as you implied. It's such a good and true point. In systems approach, as far as I am able to grasp- Rahu is a strong malefic- contrary to my experience. Since I am open to any approach, until I reach the point which I'll choose study seriously, I do pay attention to everything I learn, so that I can make an informed decision. Thanks a lot Andrew for this post, and for assisting me on my path. Anna - Andrew Lynn gjlist Monday, January 22, 2001 1:09 AM Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu Dear Anna I told you already your Rahu in the 8th house as ava yogi will give good results overall as it is in its own nakshatra. Negatively it is also trine to Mars putting them in association in the 5th house of the navamsha chart. Rahu in the 8th house shows your keen intellect and interest in deeper levels of consciousness and thinking. However, this association of Mars and Rahu shows the destructive relationship with your son. He always diappoints you and you cannot fathom him out. The dispostor of Rahu is Saturn in the 3rd house of mental outlook showing your thinking can become dark and gloomy. This Saturn also aspects the Moon. Mars as the lord of the 5th house of children is in the 12th house of loss from the 5th and trine to Rahu putting them together the navamsha chart. Do not miss these important aspects. You are interested in all 8th house things like deep thinking and transformative energies. Your Moon is in the 8th sign and Rahu is in the 8th house, Saturn the 8th lord is in the 3rd house of mental motivation. Your Uranus is also in the 8th house from Moon in the 8th sign. Saturn in your chart is with Neptune in the 3rd house and I would think this causes a pull between concrete, material reality of Saturn and the mystical, formless influences of Neptune. Pluto in the lagna in Cancer may also give tremendous intensity to the mind as it is in the Moons sign and close trine to the natal Moon. The 8th house is influencing you very much as would be expected. Andrew gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Robert A. Koch wrote: > > There are some important and essential rules for determining whether or not > Rahu is going to work beneficially, or otherwise, as would be expected due > to his being a malefic. There are various statements first of all > regarding the dignities of Rahu (exaltation and debilitation) in various > classical texts. Please note the following Dear Robert, Thanks for clear exposition. I shall print out all the discussion re the nodes, esp your letters, as a "lesson"! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Dear Anna You and I both know every planet has it's negative and positive aspects as shown in the duality of all mundane existence. Every planet and every horoscope has good and bad effects that can manifest at various times. Your Saturn and Neptune in a positive sense would be excellent for an artist as is gives the ability to put abstract thought into concrete reality. Many people have great ideas but cannot manifest then into reality. This can apply to every single aspect- some times good, sometimes bad, depending on the environment and circumstances we find ourselves in. I have Mars and Mercury in the lagna making me fiery and bad tempered. I swear a lot and like cigars (especially freebies). This association also gives me a sharp and fast mind with quick thinking, fast reflexes and great hand speed. Everything is relative and can be interpreted in many ways. If you were being attacked in the street, who would you want to help you? A man with Moon and Venus in the lagna Pisces, or some angry, headstrong bombhead like skinbags who would go down swinging. On the other hand the man with Moon and Venus may have the aspects of Mars and Pluto and could be quiet on the outside but a maniac when angered. I think astrology can help us open the book on people and show us their real nature. There is so many phoneys and pretenders in modern society it is hard to know who is for real and who is just plastic. This is why so many relationships fail. People show one personality when courting and save the real arsehole for after the wedding day. On my site I have just posted a story about Caroline a girl I knew who jumped in front of a train. I have pointed out all the aspects of affliction as I was talking about her death. She was also a bright girl of intelligence who was accepted into our best University for Business studies. Mars on her Mercury made her mind sharp and Moon with Rahu also adds power to the mind. In the end there were too many afflictions which drove her to suicide which was probably her karma anyway. We always assume death is bad. It is bad as we feel sad and upset. I doubt the victim feels this pain we do. I was in correspondence today with Achariya Ceyonswami, one of Gurudeva's right hand men at the Kauai Aadheenam. He was worried about Gurudeva's health and the influence of a young Sadhaka who's chart had bad aspects to Gurudeva's. Gurudeva had an accident recently and is suffering poor health. My point of mentioning this is if an enlightened soul like Gurudeva cannot escape negative influences of the planets, why would we spiritual strugglers even try? His chart shows malefic aspects and his lagna lord Saturn has only 1 bindu in Taurus where it is now in transit in bad aspect to Mars. As hard as it is to do, we must take heart that everybody, no matter who they are, even a Satguru, must suffer some hardship or accidents and eventually die when the time comes. Nobody escapes their Karma, this actually makes me feel secure as it promotes the right behaviour in me. Believe me when I tell you this- A man who seeks revenge should dig two graves, the second for his own sorry arse. In the last year I have experienced the truth of this old saying. This is where astrology has its great benefic influence. By seeing the transient nature of life and eternal truths we no longer become overly attached to mundane life. We learn the only thing we can take with us when we die is our good or bad Karma. I'll certainly be working on mine from now on!! Look at my chart and see if you can see why I suffered so badly under Moon / Venus period. See if you can work it out yourself. Andrew . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Manoj: I agree: politicians and world leaders without active nodes are few and far between. Speaking of which, do you have the data for Bush Sr? Thanks, Chris At 12:27 PM 1/22/01 +0530, you wrote: >Hello Robert, > >Just a small input. Go back to the charts of George Bush the junior and the >senior and you find, nodes playing an important role in propelling them to >this pedestal. > >regards, > >Manoj >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >gjlist- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Hi, Andrew said ~`You and I both know every planet has it's negative and positive aspects as shown in the duality of all mundane existence. Every planet and every horoscope has good and bad effects that can manifest at various times`~~~~~`I have Mars and Mercury in the lagna making me fiery and bad tempered`~ I thought I'd share this nice article written by Rohini Ranjan explaining another, more positive direction that a Mars~Mercury combination might and could manifest ~ Angie http://www.boloji.com/astro/healers.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Dear Andrew, Great post- I agree, nobody can escape his karma, but we are meant to live and work as if there is no karma, as if we are responsible to everything what happens to us, (and in a way, we are)- to prevent us from being fatalistic and inactive, at least. I like your observation "There is so many phoneys and pretenders in modern society it is hard to know who is for real and who is just plastic. This is why so many relationships fail....." That's so true- another question is why is that so? Why do people loose contact with their true-self to the extent that even they don't know who they really are? having said that, I actually believe that most people are not intentionally "false" and "pretenders"- just poor souls trying to adjust to the requirements imposed (in subtle or less subtle way), by society, at the expense of their own happiness- seemingly paradoxically, while desperately wanting to achieve happiness. And people communicate in various ways- verbal communication being just one form. So, if another person is "seduced" by the false impression that another makes- he is equally "false"- (the word false sounds judgmental, don't think it's adequate)- since he was not able to get other "messages" from that very person. I strongly believe that honesty sooner or later finds the way to people's hearts, if not mind (I know that the price of being "true" and honest is very high! But if it wasn't- if it didn't "cost" anything- everybody would be true, honest, of good integrity- and that wouldn't be that precious as it is, don't you agree?). When I say this, I don't refer to the "guile", since it's conscious and intentional, and really necessary in human relationship- some sort of it- psychotherapy requires that, relationships with colleague (who may not be in sync what we are- we don't say "you are an idiot, I despise you", rather, let's try to fin the way to work together, etc..) ... but rather to damaging lack of confidence in own self, acceptance of own self, no matter how many "faults" we perceive in ourselves (and than in others).. Now thyself, issue, indeed. Andrew, in my feeling and experience, for most people Saturn-Neptune conj. is very good- Saturn is very good in restricting Neptune- and Neptune "soften" Saturn- I haven't seen yet bad effects of this, (unless there are other prevailing factors- as you said on your site: whole picture says story), No matter if one is an artist, or not. "A man who seeks revenge should dig two graves"- I wish more people become aware of that! It's in our best interest to focus on enhancing other people wellbeing, instead of harming them- since only that can help us live better- that's circular model, so dear to my mind. As for Caroline, you said:"She was also a bright girl of intelligence"-Intelligence, by itself, doesn't bring peace and happiness. maybe just on the contrary.... I hope she found peace... I will go to your site again, today- by the way it's not clear to me whose photo (and old one, under that title) is? Reading your posts is always a pleasure to me. Anna - Andrew Lynn gjlist Monday, January 22, 2001 8:45 AM Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu Dear Anna You and I both know every planet has it's negative and positive aspects as shown in the duality of all mundane existence. Every planet and every horoscope has good and bad effects that can manifest at various times. Your Saturn and Neptune in a positive sense would be excellent for an artist as is gives the ability to put abstract thought into concrete reality. Many people have great ideas but cannot manifest then into reality. This can apply to every single aspect- some times good, sometimes bad, depending on the environment and circumstances we find ourselves in. I have Mars and Mercury in the lagna making me fiery and bad tempered. I swear a lot and like cigars (especially freebies). This association also gives me a sharp and fast mind with quick thinking, fast reflexes and great hand speed. Everything is relative and can be interpreted in many ways. If you were being attacked in the street, who would you want to help you? A man with Moon and Venus in the lagna Pisces, or some angry, headstrong bombhead like skinbags who would go down swinging. On the other hand the man with Moon and Venus may have the aspects of Mars and Pluto and could be quiet on the outside but a maniac when angered. I think astrology can help us open the book on people and show us their real nature. There is so many phoneys and pretenders in modern society it is hard to know who is for real and who is just plastic. This is why so many relationships fail. People show one personality when courting and save the real arsehole for after the wedding day. On my site I have just posted a story about Caroline a girl I knew who jumped in front of a train. I have pointed out all the aspects of affliction as I was talking about her death. She was also a bright girl of intelligence who was accepted into our best University for Business studies. Mars on her Mercury made her mind sharp and Moon with Rahu also adds power to the mind. In the end there were too many afflictions which drove her to suicide which was probably her karma anyway. We always assume death is bad. It is bad as we feel sad and upset. I doubt the victim feels this pain we do. I was in correspondence today with Achariya Ceyonswami, one of Gurudeva's right hand men at the Kauai Aadheenam. He was worried about Gurudeva's health and the influence of a young Sadhaka who's chart had bad aspects to Gurudeva's. Gurudeva had an accident recently and is suffering poor health. My point of mentioning this is if an enlightened soul like Gurudeva cannot escape negative influences of the planets, why would we spiritual strugglers even try? His chart shows malefic aspects and his lagna lord Saturn has only 1 bindu in Taurus where it is now in transit in bad aspect to Mars. As hard as it is to do, we must take heart that everybody, no matter who they are, even a Satguru, must suffer some hardship or accidents and eventually die when the time comes. Nobody escapes their Karma, this actually makes me feel secure as it promotes the right behaviour in me. Believe me when I tell you this- A man who seeks revenge should dig two graves, the second for his own sorry arse. In the last year I have experienced the truth of this old saying. This is where astrology has its great benefic influence. By seeing the transient nature of life and eternal truths we no longer become overly attached to mundane life. We learn the only thing we can take with us when we die is our good or bad Karma. I'll certainly be working on mine from now on!! Look at my chart and see if you can see why I suffered so badly under Moon / Venus period. See if you can work it out yourself. Andrew . gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 I probably should not underestimate this association of Mars and Mercury in my chart as Mars is the 3rd and 10th lord and Mercury the 5th and 8th lord. Both are associated with Jupiter and Jupiter and Mercury have directional strength in the lagna. Mars is my 3rd lord of mental outlook, writings and communications associated with the natural karaka of writings Mercury. Mercury is the lord of the 5th house of intelligence and the 8th house of deeper thinking. Both of these planets fall in the nakshatra of Rahu which is my birth yogi planet located in the sign of Cancer. If anything, I feel it gives me the ability to speak and write in a sharp, precise manner. I was born with a good memory and a lot of natural sporting ability. My problem is the Moon associated with Uranus and Pluto and Saturn with Ketu in the 12th house. This makes me physically lazy and slow on my feet. Heavy planets in the lagna and a heavy planet as lagna lord makes me lead footed as shown by Saturn in the house of feet. I also have little inclination to be anything or achieve anything. This frustrated people greatly as I grew up as people were always saying "Andrew you could do this or do that why don't you make the effort". I feel this is the influence of Ketu on my lagna lord and the Moon is in the nakshatra of Ketu also. Everything ends in my 12th house with Saturn and Ketu. I think there is a big silent majority of people who, like me, are sick of all the phoneys and self appointed social messiahs telling us how to think and act. Political correctness has taken root so strongly in Australia you cannot discuss anything anymore. Everything is is now some form of "syndrome" and people are flocking to lawyers to sue for every little slight they feel society has put on them. We have cultivated the culture of the victim where it is always somebody elses fault. We cannot undo the injustices of the past, it is futile. This obsession with saying sorry for the past is ridiculous. We can however create the future.............. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Dear Anna, Thank you for your gracious feedback to what I wrote previously re: Rahu. I don't have your chart, so if you would care to send the birth data, I would like to see it with regard to the questions re: varga charts and placements of Rahu/Ketu that you posed. Anyway, based on what you mention as follows: At 09:39 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote: >I haven't been in Rahu period yet, but I've noticed that in it's >sub-periods I was doing fairly well (Rahu in Navasma chart is in my 5th >house, conj. Mars- and moon in Cp. is in 6th. ) In natal chart it's in 8th >house- Aquarius. This indicates that you have Leo rising in your Navamsa chart, and thus Rahu joining Mars indicates a Raja-yoga. Mars, in fact, due to his being a Yoga-karaka (viz. simultaneous ruler of the 4th and 9th houses), and joining Rahu in the 5th, is a classic Chaya Graha Raja-yoga, and thus should bring great results during the sub-periods of Rahu, even thought he may be placed poorly in the Rasi chart. This is exactly as per the example that I gave previously. Never rest with the natal placements alone - the Navamsa placement especially quantifies the final outcome of how natal planets will operate, for the good or otherwise. At least this should be the case, so far as the general nature of affairs related to the Navamsa chart are concerned, but also in general matters as well. I would, however, be cautious about any malefic conjoined Rahu so far as health matters are concerned. In the 5th house, matters related to childbirth, i.e. pregnancy and/or labor could have been problematic, although this entirely depends on the relationship between Mars and Rahu, and the lord of the operative dasa. If malefics like Mars/Rahu - even though they are Raja-yoga planets - are in the 8th or 12th from the dasa lord, then they will invariably cause physical or emotional problems, or other upsets about which our free will can do nothing. In any case, dasas of either Mars or Rahu will be very beneficial for you. Other varga charts show the outcome of such planets w.r.t. the specific areas of life that they are concerned with. Best regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Dear Robert, I can hardly think of a better teacher than you are. Thanks a lot for all the lessons! Yes, you are right, when you say "...In the 5th house, matters related to childbirth, i.e. pregnancy and/or labor could have been problematic...."- Both were. I wasn't able to have (more) kids- and pregnancy was a blessing, although difficult one, as was the labor itself. I won't bother the list any longer, just wanted to give you a feedback. Many thanks, Robert! Anna - Robert A. Koch gjlist Monday, January 22, 2001 10:27 PM Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu Dear Anna, Thank you for your gracious feedback to what I wrote previously re: Rahu. I don't have your chart, so if you would care to send the birth data, I would like to see it with regard to the questions re: varga charts and placements of Rahu/Ketu that you posed. Anyway, based on what you mention as follows: At 09:39 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote: >I haven't been in Rahu period yet, but I've noticed that in it's >sub-periods I was doing fairly well (Rahu in Navasma chart is in my 5th >house, conj. Mars- and moon in Cp. is in 6th. ) In natal chart it's in 8th >house- Aquarius. This indicates that you have Leo rising in your Navamsa chart, and thus Rahu joining Mars indicates a Raja-yoga. Mars, in fact, due to his being a Yoga-karaka (viz. simultaneous ruler of the 4th and 9th houses), and joining Rahu in the 5th, is a classic Chaya Graha Raja-yoga, and thus should bring great results during the sub-periods of Rahu, even thought he may be placed poorly in the Rasi chart. This is exactly as per the example that I gave previously. Never rest with the natal placements alone - the Navamsa placement especially quantifies the final outcome of how natal planets will operate, for the good or otherwise. At least this should be the case, so far as the general nature of affairs related to the Navamsa chart are concerned, but also in general matters as well. I would, however, be cautious about any malefic conjoined Rahu so far as health matters are concerned. In the 5th house, matters related to childbirth, i.e. pregnancy and/or labor could have been problematic, although this entirely depends on the relationship between Mars and Rahu, and the lord of the operative dasa. If malefics like Mars/Rahu - even though they are Raja-yoga planets - are in the 8th or 12th from the dasa lord, then they will invariably cause physical or emotional problems, or other upsets about which our free will can do nothing. In any case, dasas of either Mars or Rahu will be very beneficial for you. Other varga charts show the outcome of such planets w.r.t. the specific areas of life that they are concerned with. Best regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 Andrew: I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. afflicted 2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many jyotishis also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking. The 3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology. Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into consideration. So much for precise analyses! Example: novelist Henry Miller had 2L Venus in the 10th in Capricorn, of course, Rahu was in the 2nd too!) Also however, 3L Mercury was conjunct 5L Sun in the 9th. (source: Frawley's A'y of the Seers) You see this 2nd and 3rd house "close call" in lots of writers charts. In your chart, 2nd house Pisces has Venus in it! And 2L Jupiter is also in Aq conjunct Merc and Mars. So why not look at 2H for your articulate sel-expression? At 01:15 PM 1/23/01 +1100, you wrote: >I probably should not underestimate this association of Mars and Mercury in >my chart as Mars is the 3rd and 10th lord and Mercury the 5th and 8th lord. >Both are associated with Jupiter and Jupiter and Mercury have directional >strength in the lagna. > >Mars is my 3rd lord of mental outlook, writings and communications >associated with the natural karaka of writings Mercury. Mercury is the lord >of the 5th house of intelligence and the 8th house of deeper thinking. Both >of these planets fall in the nakshatra of Rahu which is my birth yogi planet >located in the sign of Cancer. What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet. If anything, I feel it gives me the ability >to speak and write in a sharp, precise manner. I was born with a good memory >and a lot of natural sporting ability. > >My problem is the Moon associated with Uranus and Pluto and Saturn with Ketu >in the 12th house. This makes me physically lazy and slow on my feet. Heavy >planets in the lagna and a heavy planet as lagna lord makes me lead footed >as shown by Saturn in the house of feet. I also have little inclination to >be anything or achieve anything. This frustrated people greatly as I grew up >as people >were always saying "Andrew you could do this or do that why don't you make >the effort". I >feel this is the influence of Ketu on my lagna lord and the Moon is in the >nakshatra of Ketu also. >Everything ends in my 12th house with Saturn and Ketu. > This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. Lack of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house. I know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury. That has to distort Mars and its 3L role somewhat. I would argue that it accounts for more than your share of scrapes. Maybe also for ambition. Anyway, I'm a lazy bugger too who disdains ambition (it's so crass!) and my Saturn is also in the 12th! However, there has to be more to it that this, as your Ketu conj suggests. >I think there is a big silent majority of people who, like me, are sick of >all >the phoneys and self appointed social messiahs telling us how to think and >act. Political >correctness has taken root so strongly in Australia you cannot discuss >anything anymore. >Everything is is now some form of "syndrome" and people are flocking to >lawyers to sue > for every little slight they feel society has put on them. > >We have cultivated the culture of the victim where it is always somebody >elses fault. We cannot undo >the injustices of the past, it is futile. This obsession with saying sorry >for the past is ridiculous. We can >however create the future.............. On *your* terms no doubt, Mr White Man! There are absurd extremes for sure that the media delight in reporting, but overall I think it's a sign of civilization. And I like civilization. It's about thinking about other people as if they mattered. Society shouldn't be blind any more about the effects it has on its members. Capitalism is a massive system of exploitation built on the assumption that no one cares about the people who made their GAP pants, as long as they can have them marketed to them so that they feel good about themselves. (I am beautiful like those models) Breaking minimum wage laws? No problem --- $49.99! Harassment of union organizers? really? do they come in blue? Prison labour? that's terrible -- I'll put it on my Visa. Where is the dividing line between fatalistic karma and compassion and justice? Christopher > >Andrew > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 Dear Christopher, I like your post- the part bellow in particular... However, I have a feeling that those WONDERFUL, JUST and FAIR - HUMANITARIAN principles, are "exploited" to the extent that those who are supposed to be protected by them, cannot expect much, in reality. Like some invisible mind wants to take away a meaning from them- making an empty phrase out of them. We have already seen how many crimes have been committed, all over the world, in the name of "protecting humanity"- destroying it, in fact... That's so sad...I haven't heard of too many cases when so called "minority members filed lawsuit for discrimination, sexual harassment.... Since Andrew is dealing with people, in a capacity which CAN affect them, based on their TRUST in him, as an astrologer and humanitarian, I want to believe, and I do, that his remark is related to the above mentioned misuse of those PRECIOUS ideals of justice, rather than to these concepts themselves. There is enough room for everybody under the sky, and it's better to have it recognized, at least, than ignored, for sure. Hoping that the the time will come when that would be inseparable part of our lives.. As for increase in minimum wage- things seem to go in an opposite direction... Who'll be affected the most? I guess we all know the answer. I think that those who work with people, help people, in any capacity, should be in the front-line, in defense of people's rights.. Otherwise, I doubt that they can help anybody, including themselves. I don't know the reason why I write this- I feel I was "born" with genuine appreciation for ALL people and ALL living beings. It makes me disappointed to see "negative propaganda" of so valuable postulates- so afraid I am for their "life". I want to be an optimist...though Anna On *your* terms no doubt, Mr White Man! There are absurd extremes for sure that the media delight in reporting, but overall I think it's a sign of civilization. And I like civilization. It's about thinking about other people as if they mattered. Society shouldn't be blind any more about the effects it has on its members. Capitalism is a massive system of exploitation built on the assumption that no one cares about the people who made their GAP pants, as long as they can have them marketed to them so that they feel good about themselves. (I am beautiful like those models) Breaking minimum wage laws? No problem --- $49.99! Harassment of union organizers? really? do they come in blue? Prison labour? that's terrible -- I'll put it on my Visa. Where is the dividing line between fatalistic karma and compassion and justice? Christopher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 > Andrew: > > I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. afflicted > 2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many jyotishis > also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking. The > 3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology. > Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into > consideration. So much for precise analyses! > Yes this is all true about speech as the second house rules the mouth and throat but the 3rd house rules the nervous system and the mental inclination. The 3rd house also governs writing through the movement of the arms. I think the 3rd house governs the mode or nature of expression of the speech. For example, my speech has the nature of Mars in expression in that it is sharp, cutting and often cynical. I can literally wound and cut with my speech as shown by Mars the 3rd lord. Jupiter as lord of the 2nd house would show my speaking organs are well formed and I have a clear and healthy voice. It is a bit like the 4th and 5th house ruling the heart. The 4th rules the emotional and watery aspect and the 5th the muscular and fiery aspect. This shows why the 5th is concerned with love affairs and other things that make the heart pump faster. The 9th and 10th reveal the father and status given by him. If you look at George Bush Jnrs chart, his 10th lord, or lord of the house of the face of the father is Mars. Mars is in his 2nd house showing he has the same crusty face as the father. My 5th lord of the house of speech of the mother is Mercury. The affliction of Mars on Mercury show why my Mother has very fierce speech and swears like a shearer.Your point about Jupiter with Mars is relevent to my speech also. All houses are interelated in these ways. We must also look to Mercury and its placement as well. I think basically the 2nd house does show your ability to speak and the 3rd shows the nature of the expression of this speech. Make sense?? The mouth and arms usually work in sync when we speak also. e.g Italians >What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is > immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet. Well firstly Cancer is the sign of the emotions and feelings of the heart. I speak from the heart. Planets in the birth yogi's nakshatra are boosted for the good. This Rahu is is the nakshatra of Ashleesha a sharp and dreadful star which is symbolised by the coiled serpent of the Kundalini. This gives the potency to the speech and expression. Ashleesha is ruled by Mercury the karaka of speech and my 5th and 8th lords. Mars and Mercury fall in the nakshatra of Rahu who is in the sign of the Moon and both aspect the Moon in the 7th house. The Moon as the dispositor of Rahu is in the nakshatra of Magha ruled by Ketu. Ketu is in the 12th house with Saturn who is dispositor of all three planets in the lagna. Both Saturn and Ketu fall in the nakshara of the Moon, Shravana. Shravana is said to give knowledge of the Vedas and the ability and inclination to disregard the material world. It is a nakshatra of service to humanity. My Saturn is final dispositor of all the planets in the12th house and also aspects my atmakaraka of Venus to within 1 degree. Gurudeva has his Moon in Shravana as does David Frawley who is also a devotee of Gurudeva like me. I'm actually getting to the stage where I couldn't give a toss about anything and I really look forward to going to sleep at night where I have no connection with the physical world anymore. What I find very interesting also is the connection between charts of people who connect together like us on the net. Your chart and my chart are well matched as is mine with Robert Koch's. My Pundit has Moon, Sun and Jupiter in Aquarius in my lagna and he has exalted Venus like me also. Yogaswami was born with the Moon in Aquarius and he is my Pundits Guru. Subramuniyaswami or Gurudeva who is the disciple of Yogaswami was born with Jupiter in Aquarius within 1 degree of my Jupiter and his Moon falls on the same degree as my lagna lord. My lagna lord falls in his lagna of Capricorn and Gurudeva's lagna lord falls in the lagna of Pundits in Scorpio. If I remember correctly David Frawley also has Jupiter in Aquarius and the Moon in Capricorn. Are all these aspects coincidence or not. I do know I've read everything Gurudeva has written and everything David has written also. Pundit claims he converses with both Yogaswami and Gurudeva everynight when he is asleep. All I know is I feel connected to all these people and the knowlege they have. I also believe this has been going on long before the 19th of March 1962 when I was born. A rational man like yourself may well think I'm insane... > > > This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. Lack > of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house. For ambition you also need a well placed and prominent Sun indicating strong self belief and the need to be shine in life. My Sun is in the 12th sign in the nakshatra of Saturn and also aspected by Saturn. I have no real sense of self and couldn't give a rats arse anymore about what others think about me. I > know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted > because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury. No planet in the lagna is weak! Mars is 10th lord in the lagna. In navamsha Mars is lagna lord exalted in the 10th house with Rahu. Jupiter and Mercury have directional strength in the lagna. Any more cracks about my weak Mars and I'll reach through cyberspace and rip your F***** arms off.......... (only kidding). Make no mistake I'm a red hot Mars man. Mercury is afflicted. Mercury has taken on the energy of this strong Mars. That has to distort > Mars and its 3L role somewhat. I would argue that it accounts for more > than your share of scrapes. Maybe also for ambition. Anyway, I'm a lazy > bugger too who disdains ambition (it's so crass!) and my Saturn is also in > the 12th! However, there has to be more to it that this, as your Ketu conj > suggests. Look the Moon could be made of frozen yoghurt for all I really know. Some old Pundit told me when Saturn transits Gemini in aspect to my Sun, Venus and Moon I will renounce women. That would be interesting!! > > > . Where is the dividing line between fatalistic karma and compassion and justice? Who knows? The Sun, Moon and Neptune are conjunct in my 12th house of sleep with my lagna lord. No wonder I have no perspective of reality tonight. Good dreams tonight......... > > Andrew > P.S I actually got an email from David Frawley today about Mrityu bhaga. > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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