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Dear Robert,

 

I've carefully read all the posts related to Nodes. I've already ask you about

Nodes influence in my own chart, and you kindly responded. However, my real life

experience, so far, has been when Rahu sub-period came, it was actually good for

me. In view of what I've learned so far, I cannot find any explanation why Rahu

was as you, I think, mentioned once, "kind to me". I have no idea. Do you?

Thanks.

Anna

 

 

 

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Dear Anna,

 

At 12:18 AM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear Robert,

>

>I've carefully read all the posts related to Nodes. I've already ask you

>about Nodes influence in my own chart, and you kindly responded. However,

>my real life experience, so far, has been when Rahu sub-period came, it

>was actually good for me. In view of what I've learned so far, I cannot

>find any explanation why Rahu was as you, I think, mentioned once, "kind

>to me". I have no idea. Do you?

>Thanks.

>Anna

 

There are some important and essential rules for determining whether or not

Rahu is going to work beneficially, or otherwise, as would be expected due

to his being a malefic. There are various statements first of all

regarding the dignities of Rahu (exaltation and debilitation) in various

classical texts. Please note the following

 

* Parasara Hora Shastra: Rahu is exalted in Taurus, and debilitated in

Scorpio (reverse for Ketu). Rahu's Moolatrikona sign is Gemini, Ketu's is

Sagittarius. Own sign for Rahu is Gemini, and for Ketu is Sg.

 

* Sarvartha Chintamani: Rahu is exalted in Ta, and Ketu in

Sc. Moolatrikona is Cn, and for Ketu it is Cp. There are no own signs.

 

* Jataka Bharanam: Rahu is exalted in Gemini, deb. in Sg. Reverse for

Ketu. Own sign is Virgo, and Ketu's is Pisces.

 

* Jaimini Sutram: Rahu is exalted in Ta, and deb. in Sc. Reverse for

Ketu. No Moolatrikona signs. Rahu's own sign is Aquarius, and Ketu's is Sc.

 

So, synthesizing the above from classic works, Rahu is strong in the signs

of Venus as well as Mercury, and Ketu is strong in those of Mars as well as

Jupiter. Note that in the opinion of Sarvartha Chintamani (a very

respected text), Cancer and Capricorn are strong for Rahu/Ketu

respectively. So keep these in mind so far as the sign placements of the

nodes are concerned.

 

* Other strengthening factors: Rahu/Ketu causes a Raja-yoga when placed in

a Trikona house, and joined with the lord of a kendra; or, placed in a

kendra house, and joined with the lord of a Trikona. Generally, they give

good results in their dasas/bhuktis when placed in trikona houses, even if

not joined with the above lords.

 

* Rahu/Ketu will give benefic results when conjoined or aspected by

benefics. Note that the benefic results will come during the periods of

Rahu/Ketu, whereas during the periods of the benefic conjoining, malefic

results will be experienced (due to Rahu's association).

 

* Note this, and very important: If Rahu or Ketu conjoins a benefic planet

ruling the 2nd or 7th, he does not give good results, but instead can kill

the native during related dasas and sub-periods. Benefics, thus, who rule

maraka houses (2nd and 7th) are worse as killers than malefics who rule or

occupy such houses, and give their bad results during the dasas/bhuktis of

malefics such as Rahu/Ketu. Other functionally malefic planets can do

the same, such as rulers of 6, 8, 12, 3 or 11, although not to the same

magnitude as those ruling the 2nd and 7th. And further to this:

 

* According to BPHS: "If Rahu or Ketu were to occupy the beneficial houses

of 5 or 9, and if they are in association with, or aspected by, the lord of

the Maraka houses, 2nd or 7th, then they cause death in their periods, even

though the lord of the houses 5 and 9 are suppose to produce Raja-yoga".

 

* If not conjoined or aspected by benefics, Rahu/Ketu give the results of

their dispositors. This includes their sign dispositors, as well as

naksatra dispositors.

 

* Note the areas of life wherein you got good results during a Rahu

sub-period: was Rahu well placed, according to the above guidelines, in the

related divisional chart? For example, Rahu may occupy the 8th or 12th

houses in the rasi chart (bad placements), yet in the Dasamsa (10th

division for career), might occupy the 9th, with the lord of the

10th. This would give great results in career, whereas simultaneously the

natal placement would give health problems, emotional unrest, expenditures,

or troubles due to thieves or strangers.

 

* Rahu might be placed in the 7th house of the Navamsa chart, in which

case, if it is conjoined/aspected by Venus, the 7th lord, Moon, or Jupiter,

or the lord of Navamsa lagna, could bring marriage during its dasa or

sub-period. See his placement relative to the Upapada (Arudha of the 12th

house), as well as Darapada (Arudha of the 7th house), to see if marriage

is clearly possible during dasas of Rahu/Ketu.

 

* There is plenty of evidence to show, that both nodes give marriage during

their dasas.

 

* Note that malefics will function well in their dasas/bhuktis if placed in

the 3rd, 6th, or 11th. If placed in such positions, Rahu/Ketu will give

good results in their periods.

 

*Finally, when you start to use Rasi dasas (sign-based dasas systems),

dasa/bhukti periods which are conjoined or aspected by Rahu, generally

give bad results, regardless of dignities, aspects to them, or house

placements.

 

So you see, not all karma is bad, and thus Rahu, particularly important for

the manifestation of unresolved karmas coming onto lower density planes,

can bring good, mixed, or bad results during his periods. The above are

but a few guidelines that will help you delineate his effects in all charts.

 

I recommend the following classical book for your study, which gives many

details on the effects of Rahu/Ketu according to the peculiarities of

different charts:

 

"Laghu Parasari Siddhant", translation by S.S. Sareen. Particularly

Chapter one has some good material.

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

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Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

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Dear Robert,

 

This is an invaluable lesson, indeed. Thanks so much- I will have to study this

more if I want to understand all that you wrote, as I will- so full of valuable

info this message is!

 

I haven't been in Rahu period yet, but I've noticed that in it's sub-periods I

was doing fairly well (Rahu in Navasma chart is in my 5th house, conj. Mars- and

moon in Cp. is in 6th. ) In natal chart it's in 8th house- Aquarius.

 

To give you some feedback: I married, and more importantly my son was born- I've

felt that as a pure luck!!!, in Venus-Rahu (Venus, Lord of 4th in 6th house-

haven't figured out why, based on "recipe"). I received "good inheritance" (I

normally "hate" inheritance, because of it's connection with death- so, when I

say good- that's an inheritance from smb. outside family- Kethy period at my

early age was painful for my family an myself). Venus- Saturn was good too()

Moon-Rahu was good too. (Divisional charts, hmm-I have to learn more to be able

to understand the lesson).

 

I still don't know how to interpret (Navasma) Mars-Rahu conj. in Sag., 5th

house, nor 4- Charturtamsa, with Moon and kethy in second(leo), mars in 7th/

nor16-Shodashamsa divisional chart, where Moon, Sun, Jupiter, Mars, and Rahu are

in second. And I am really interested to know how Rahu- Conj-Mars in Navasma,

(since they are in trine natally) would affect me, in Mars period which wiil be

next- ( I think you know my chart, already?)- if you get a chance to look at

this, I would appricate that.

 

As for divisional charts- I think one needs a teacher first, and than to work

and study them...

 

What I know for sure is that I will save your text, print it out and study

more. Thanks, Robert. Hope all the listers

will benefit from this "extract" of knowledge you offered to me/us.

 

Anna

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Robert A. Koch

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Sunday, January 21, 2001 5:37 PM

[gjlist] Re: Rahu

 

 

Dear Anna,

 

At 12:18 AM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear Robert,

>

>I've carefully read all the posts related to Nodes. I've already ask you

>about Nodes influence in my own chart, and you kindly responded. However,

>my real life experience, so far, has been when Rahu sub-period came, it

>was actually good for me. In view of what I've learned so far, I cannot

>find any explanation why Rahu was as you, I think, mentioned once, "kind

>to me". I have no idea. Do you?

>Thanks.

>Anna

 

There are some important and essential rules for determining whether or not

Rahu is going to work beneficially, or otherwise, as would be expected due

to his being a malefic. There are various statements first of all

regarding the dignities of Rahu (exaltation and debilitation) in various

classical texts. Please note the following

 

* Parasara Hora Shastra: Rahu is exalted in Taurus, and debilitated in

Scorpio (reverse for Ketu). Rahu's Moolatrikona sign is Gemini, Ketu's is

Sagittarius. Own sign for Rahu is Gemini, and for Ketu is Sg.

 

* Sarvartha Chintamani: Rahu is exalted in Ta, and Ketu in

Sc. Moolatrikona is Cn, and for Ketu it is Cp. There are no own signs.

 

* Jataka Bharanam: Rahu is exalted in Gemini, deb. in Sg. Reverse for

Ketu. Own sign is Virgo, and Ketu's is Pisces.

 

* Jaimini Sutram: Rahu is exalted in Ta, and deb. in Sc. Reverse for

Ketu. No Moolatrikona signs. Rahu's own sign is Aquarius, and Ketu's is Sc.

 

So, synthesizing the above from classic works, Rahu is strong in the signs

of Venus as well as Mercury, and Ketu is strong in those of Mars as well as

Jupiter. Note that in the opinion of Sarvartha Chintamani (a very

respected text), Cancer and Capricorn are strong for Rahu/Ketu

respectively. So keep these in mind so far as the sign placements of the

nodes are concerned.

 

* Other strengthening factors: Rahu/Ketu causes a Raja-yoga when placed in

a Trikona house, and joined with the lord of a kendra; or, placed in a

kendra house, and joined with the lord of a Trikona. Generally, they give

good results in their dasas/bhuktis when placed in trikona houses, even if

not joined with the above lords.

 

* Rahu/Ketu will give benefic results when conjoined or aspected by

benefics. Note that the benefic results will come during the periods of

Rahu/Ketu, whereas during the periods of the benefic conjoining, malefic

results will be experienced (due to Rahu's association).

 

* Note this, and very important: If Rahu or Ketu conjoins a benefic planet

ruling the 2nd or 7th, he does not give good results, but instead can kill

the native during related dasas and sub-periods. Benefics, thus, who rule

maraka houses (2nd and 7th) are worse as killers than malefics who rule or

occupy such houses, and give their bad results during the dasas/bhuktis of

malefics such as Rahu/Ketu. Other functionally malefic planets can do

the same, such as rulers of 6, 8, 12, 3 or 11, although not to the same

magnitude as those ruling the 2nd and 7th. And further to this:

 

* According to BPHS: "If Rahu or Ketu were to occupy the beneficial houses

of 5 or 9, and if they are in association with, or aspected by, the lord of

the Maraka houses, 2nd or 7th, then they cause death in their periods, even

though the lord of the houses 5 and 9 are suppose to produce Raja-yoga".

 

* If not conjoined or aspected by benefics, Rahu/Ketu give the results of

their dispositors. This includes their sign dispositors, as well as

naksatra dispositors.

 

* Note the areas of life wherein you got good results during a Rahu

sub-period: was Rahu well placed, according to the above guidelines, in the

related divisional chart? For example, Rahu may occupy the 8th or 12th

houses in the rasi chart (bad placements), yet in the Dasamsa (10th

division for career), might occupy the 9th, with the lord of the

10th. This would give great results in career, whereas simultaneously the

natal placement would give health problems, emotional unrest, expenditures,

or troubles due to thieves or strangers.

 

* Rahu might be placed in the 7th house of the Navamsa chart, in which

case, if it is conjoined/aspected by Venus, the 7th lord, Moon, or Jupiter,

or the lord of Navamsa lagna, could bring marriage during its dasa or

sub-period. See his placement relative to the Upapada (Arudha of the 12th

house), as well as Darapada (Arudha of the 7th house), to see if marriage

is clearly possible during dasas of Rahu/Ketu.

 

* There is plenty of evidence to show, that both nodes give marriage during

their dasas.

 

* Note that malefics will function well in their dasas/bhuktis if placed in

the 3rd, 6th, or 11th. If placed in such positions, Rahu/Ketu will give

good results in their periods.

 

*Finally, when you start to use Rasi dasas (sign-based dasas systems),

dasa/bhukti periods which are conjoined or aspected by Rahu, generally

give bad results, regardless of dignities, aspects to them, or house

placements.

 

So you see, not all karma is bad, and thus Rahu, particularly important for

the manifestation of unresolved karmas coming onto lower density planes,

can bring good, mixed, or bad results during his periods. The above are

but a few guidelines that will help you delineate his effects in all charts.

 

I recommend the following classical book for your study, which gives many

details on the effects of Rahu/Ketu according to the peculiarities of

different charts:

 

"Laghu Parasari Siddhant", translation by S.S. Sareen. Particularly

Chapter one has some good material.

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Anna

 

I told you already your Rahu in the 8th house as ava yogi will give good

results overall as it is in its own nakshatra. Negatively it is also trine

to Mars putting them

in association in the 5th house of the navamsha chart. Rahu in the 8th house

shows your keen intellect and interest in deeper levels of consciousness and

thinking.

 

However, this association of Mars and Rahu shows the destructive

relationship with

your son. He always diappoints you and you cannot fathom him out.

The dispostor of Rahu is Saturn in the 3rd house of mental outlook

showing your thinking can become dark and gloomy. This Saturn

also aspects the Moon. Mars as the lord of the 5th house of

children is in the 12th house of loss from the 5th and trine to Rahu putting

them together

the navamsha chart. Do not miss these important aspects.

 

You are interested in all 8th house things like deep thinking and

transformative energies.

Your Moon is in the 8th sign and Rahu is in the 8th house, Saturn the 8th

lord is in the 3rd house

of mental motivation. Your Uranus is also in the 8th house from Moon in the

8th sign.

Saturn in your chart is with Neptune in the 3rd house and I would think this

causes a pull between

concrete, material reality of Saturn and the mystical, formless influences

of Neptune. Pluto in the lagna in Cancer

may also give tremendous intensity to the mind as it is in the Moons sign

and close trine to the natal Moon.

 

The 8th house is influencing you very much as would be expected.

 

 

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Hello Robert,

 

Just a small input. Go back to the charts of George Bush the junior and the

senior and you find, nodes playing an important role in propelling them to

this pedestal.

 

regards,

 

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Dear Andrew,

 

You are absolutely right- I have always been interested in 8th house matters,

deeper lever of consciousness,

diligently working my own research- in that area. As for Neptune, I feel it as a

good influence on my Saturn- otherwise I would have been limited by already

strict, strong Saturn- or to be more precise, I think that Saturn gives the form

and helps it manifest positively in my life- in my artistic work in particular-

no mater how creative I am, without Saturn, I wouldn't be able to work hard

(and painting is a hard work) to make it manifest in forms that I, after

exciting dissatisfactions, finally can be proud of, saying to myself:that's it!!

Formless influence of Neptune as you said (I like that expression!), softens, in

my opinion, Saturn, and it in return gives structure (through persistence,

effort) to dreams initiated by Neptune, that otherwise wouldn't be possible. I

find that conj. quite beneficial- and whenever my creativity is stapled, I don't

feel good- be that in art, profession, 8th house matters. (and my deep belief

in self-healing, searching for help outside traditional medicine- all 8th house

stuff..)

 

I am aware of the fact that this is a vedic list- but now that you mentioned

Pluto in my first- yes, I've always been impressed and quite familiar with that

energy (and intensity, yes)- as you implied. It's such a good and true point.

 

In systems approach, as far as I am able to grasp- Rahu is a strong malefic-

contrary to my experience. Since I am open to any approach, until I reach the

point which I'll choose study seriously, I do pay attention to everything I

learn, so that I can make an informed decision.

 

Thanks a lot Andrew for this post, and for assisting me on my path.

Anna

-

Andrew Lynn

gjlist

Monday, January 22, 2001 1:09 AM

Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu

 

 

Dear Anna

 

I told you already your Rahu in the 8th house as ava yogi will give good

results overall as it is in its own nakshatra. Negatively it is also trine

to Mars putting them

in association in the 5th house of the navamsha chart. Rahu in the 8th house

shows your keen intellect and interest in deeper levels of consciousness and

thinking.

 

However, this association of Mars and Rahu shows the destructive

relationship with

your son. He always diappoints you and you cannot fathom him out.

The dispostor of Rahu is Saturn in the 3rd house of mental outlook

showing your thinking can become dark and gloomy. This Saturn

also aspects the Moon. Mars as the lord of the 5th house of

children is in the 12th house of loss from the 5th and trine to Rahu putting

them together

the navamsha chart. Do not miss these important aspects.

 

You are interested in all 8th house things like deep thinking and

transformative energies.

Your Moon is in the 8th sign and Rahu is in the 8th house, Saturn the 8th

lord is in the 3rd house

of mental motivation. Your Uranus is also in the 8th house from Moon in the

8th sign.

Saturn in your chart is with Neptune in the 3rd house and I would think this

causes a pull between

concrete, material reality of Saturn and the mystical, formless influences

of Neptune. Pluto in the lagna in Cancer

may also give tremendous intensity to the mind as it is in the Moons sign

and close trine to the natal Moon.

 

The 8th house is influencing you very much as would be expected.

 

 

Andrew

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Robert A. Koch wrote:

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> There are some important and essential rules for determining whether or not

> Rahu is going to work beneficially, or otherwise, as would be expected due

> to his being a malefic. There are various statements first of all

> regarding the dignities of Rahu (exaltation and debilitation) in various

> classical texts. Please note the following

 

 

Dear Robert,

 

Thanks for clear exposition. I shall print out all the discussion re the nodes,

esp your letters, as a "lesson"!

 

regards

Mani

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Dear Anna

 

You and I both know every planet has it's negative and positive aspects as

shown in the duality of all mundane existence. Every planet and every

horoscope has good and bad effects that can manifest at various times. Your

Saturn and Neptune in a positive sense would be excellent for an artist as

is gives the ability to put abstract thought into concrete reality. Many

people have great ideas but cannot manifest then into reality. This can

apply to every single aspect- some times good, sometimes bad, depending on

the environment and circumstances we find ourselves in.

 

I have Mars and Mercury in the lagna making me fiery and bad tempered. I

swear a lot and like cigars (especially freebies). This association also

gives me a sharp and fast mind with quick thinking, fast reflexes and great

hand speed. Everything is relative and can be interpreted in many ways. If

you were being attacked in the street, who would you want to help you? A man

with Moon and Venus in the lagna Pisces, or some angry, headstrong bombhead

like skinbags who would go down swinging.

 

On the other hand the man with Moon and Venus may have the aspects of Mars

and Pluto and could be quiet on the outside but a maniac when angered. I

think astrology can help us open the book on people and show us their real

nature. There is so many phoneys and pretenders in modern society it is hard

to know who is for real and who is just plastic. This is why so many

relationships fail. People show one personality when courting and save the

real arsehole for after the wedding day.

 

On my site I have just posted a story about Caroline a girl I knew who

jumped in front of a train. I have pointed out all the aspects of affliction

as I was talking about her death. She was also a bright girl of intelligence

who was accepted into our best University for Business studies. Mars on her

Mercury made her mind sharp and Moon with Rahu also adds power to the mind.

In the end there were too many afflictions which drove her to suicide which

was probably her karma anyway. We always assume death is bad. It is bad as

we feel sad and upset. I doubt the victim feels this pain we do.

 

I was in correspondence today with Achariya Ceyonswami, one of Gurudeva's

right hand men at the Kauai Aadheenam. He was worried about Gurudeva's

health and the influence of a young Sadhaka who's chart had bad aspects to

Gurudeva's. Gurudeva had an accident recently and is suffering poor health.

My point of mentioning this is if an enlightened soul like Gurudeva cannot

escape negative influences of the planets, why would we spiritual strugglers

even try? His chart shows malefic aspects and his lagna lord Saturn has only

1 bindu in Taurus where it is now in transit in bad aspect to Mars. As hard

as it is to do, we must take heart that everybody, no matter who they are,

even a Satguru, must suffer some hardship or accidents and eventually die

when the time comes. Nobody escapes their Karma, this actually makes me feel

secure as it promotes the right behaviour in me.

 

Believe me when I tell you this- A man who seeks revenge should dig two

graves, the second for his own sorry arse. In the last year I have

experienced the truth of this old saying. This is where astrology has its

great benefic influence. By seeing the transient nature of life and eternal

truths we no longer become overly attached to mundane life. We learn the

only thing we can take with us when we die is our good or bad Karma. I'll

certainly be working on mine from now on!! Look at my chart and see if you

can see why I suffered so badly under Moon / Venus period. See if you can

work it out yourself.

 

Andrew .

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Manoj:

 

I agree: politicians and world leaders without active nodes are few and far

between. Speaking of which, do you have the data for Bush Sr?

 

Thanks,

 

Chris

 

At 12:27 PM 1/22/01 +0530, you wrote:

>Hello Robert,

>

>Just a small input. Go back to the charts of George Bush the junior and the

>senior and you find, nodes playing an important role in propelling them to

>this pedestal.

>

>regards,

>

>Manoj

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Hi,

 

Andrew said ~`You and I both know every planet has it's negative and

positive aspects as shown in the duality of all mundane existence. Every

planet and every horoscope has good and bad effects that can manifest at

various times`~~~~~`I have Mars and Mercury in the lagna making me fiery

and bad tempered`~

 

I thought I'd share this nice article written by Rohini Ranjan

explaining another, more positive direction that a Mars~Mercury

combination might and could manifest ~ Angie

 

http://www.boloji.com/astro/healers.htm

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Dear Andrew,

 

Great post- I agree, nobody can escape his karma, but we are meant to live and

work as if there is no karma, as if we are responsible to everything what

happens to us, (and in a way, we are)- to prevent us from being fatalistic and

inactive, at least.

 

I like your observation "There is so many phoneys and pretenders in modern

society it is hard

to know who is for real and who is just plastic. This is why so many

relationships fail....." That's so true-

another question is why is that so? Why do people loose contact with their

true-self to the extent that even they don't know who they really are? having

said that, I actually believe that most people are not intentionally "false" and

"pretenders"- just poor souls trying to adjust to the requirements imposed (in

subtle or less subtle way), by society, at the expense of their own happiness-

seemingly paradoxically, while desperately wanting to achieve happiness.

 

And people communicate in various ways- verbal communication being just one

form. So, if another person is "seduced" by the false impression that another

makes- he is equally "false"- (the word false sounds judgmental, don't think

it's adequate)- since he was not able to get other "messages" from that very

person.

 

I strongly believe that honesty sooner or later finds the way to people's

hearts, if not mind (I know that the price of being "true" and honest is very

high! But if it wasn't- if it didn't "cost" anything- everybody would be true,

honest, of good integrity- and that wouldn't be that precious as it is, don't

you agree?). When I say this, I don't refer to the "guile", since it's conscious

and intentional, and really necessary in human relationship- some sort of it-

psychotherapy requires that, relationships with colleague (who may not be in

sync what we are- we don't say "you are an idiot, I despise you", rather, let's

try to fin the way to work together, etc..) ... but rather to damaging lack of

confidence in own self, acceptance of own self, no matter how many "faults" we

perceive in ourselves (and than in others).. Now thyself, issue, indeed.

 

Andrew, in my feeling and experience, for most people Saturn-Neptune conj. is

very good- Saturn is very good in restricting Neptune- and Neptune "soften"

Saturn- I haven't seen yet bad effects of this, (unless there are other

prevailing factors- as you said on your site: whole picture says story), No

matter if one is an artist, or not.

 

"A man who seeks revenge should dig two graves"- I wish more people become aware

of that! It's in our best interest to focus on enhancing other people wellbeing,

instead of harming them- since only that can help us live better- that's

circular model, so dear to my mind.

 

As for Caroline, you said:"She was also a bright girl of

intelligence"-Intelligence, by itself, doesn't bring peace and happiness. maybe

just on the contrary.... I hope she found peace...

 

I will go to your site again, today- by the way it's not clear to me whose photo

(and old one, under that title) is?

 

Reading your posts is always a pleasure to me.

 

Anna

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Andrew Lynn

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Monday, January 22, 2001 8:45 AM

Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu

 

 

Dear Anna

 

You and I both know every planet has it's negative and positive aspects as

shown in the duality of all mundane existence. Every planet and every

horoscope has good and bad effects that can manifest at various times. Your

Saturn and Neptune in a positive sense would be excellent for an artist as

is gives the ability to put abstract thought into concrete reality. Many

people have great ideas but cannot manifest then into reality. This can

apply to every single aspect- some times good, sometimes bad, depending on

the environment and circumstances we find ourselves in.

 

I have Mars and Mercury in the lagna making me fiery and bad tempered. I

swear a lot and like cigars (especially freebies). This association also

gives me a sharp and fast mind with quick thinking, fast reflexes and great

hand speed. Everything is relative and can be interpreted in many ways. If

you were being attacked in the street, who would you want to help you? A man

with Moon and Venus in the lagna Pisces, or some angry, headstrong bombhead

like skinbags who would go down swinging.

 

On the other hand the man with Moon and Venus may have the aspects of Mars

and Pluto and could be quiet on the outside but a maniac when angered. I

think astrology can help us open the book on people and show us their real

nature. There is so many phoneys and pretenders in modern society it is hard

to know who is for real and who is just plastic. This is why so many

relationships fail. People show one personality when courting and save the

real arsehole for after the wedding day.

 

On my site I have just posted a story about Caroline a girl I knew who

jumped in front of a train. I have pointed out all the aspects of affliction

as I was talking about her death. She was also a bright girl of intelligence

who was accepted into our best University for Business studies. Mars on her

Mercury made her mind sharp and Moon with Rahu also adds power to the mind.

In the end there were too many afflictions which drove her to suicide which

was probably her karma anyway. We always assume death is bad. It is bad as

we feel sad and upset. I doubt the victim feels this pain we do.

 

I was in correspondence today with Achariya Ceyonswami, one of Gurudeva's

right hand men at the Kauai Aadheenam. He was worried about Gurudeva's

health and the influence of a young Sadhaka who's chart had bad aspects to

Gurudeva's. Gurudeva had an accident recently and is suffering poor health.

My point of mentioning this is if an enlightened soul like Gurudeva cannot

escape negative influences of the planets, why would we spiritual strugglers

even try? His chart shows malefic aspects and his lagna lord Saturn has only

1 bindu in Taurus where it is now in transit in bad aspect to Mars. As hard

as it is to do, we must take heart that everybody, no matter who they are,

even a Satguru, must suffer some hardship or accidents and eventually die

when the time comes. Nobody escapes their Karma, this actually makes me feel

secure as it promotes the right behaviour in me.

 

Believe me when I tell you this- A man who seeks revenge should dig two

graves, the second for his own sorry arse. In the last year I have

experienced the truth of this old saying. This is where astrology has its

great benefic influence. By seeing the transient nature of life and eternal

truths we no longer become overly attached to mundane life. We learn the

only thing we can take with us when we die is our good or bad Karma. I'll

certainly be working on mine from now on!! Look at my chart and see if you

can see why I suffered so badly under Moon / Venus period. See if you can

work it out yourself.

 

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I probably should not underestimate this association of Mars and Mercury in

my chart as Mars is the 3rd and 10th lord and Mercury the 5th and 8th lord.

Both are associated with Jupiter and Jupiter and Mercury have directional

strength in the lagna.

 

Mars is my 3rd lord of mental outlook, writings and communications

associated with the natural karaka of writings Mercury. Mercury is the lord

of the 5th house of intelligence and the 8th house of deeper thinking. Both

of these planets fall in the nakshatra of Rahu which is my birth yogi planet

located in the sign of Cancer. If anything, I feel it gives me the ability

to speak and write in a sharp, precise manner. I was born with a good memory

and a lot of natural sporting ability.

 

My problem is the Moon associated with Uranus and Pluto and Saturn with Ketu

in the 12th house. This makes me physically lazy and slow on my feet. Heavy

planets in the lagna and a heavy planet as lagna lord makes me lead footed

as shown by Saturn in the house of feet. I also have little inclination to

be anything or achieve anything. This frustrated people greatly as I grew up

as people

were always saying "Andrew you could do this or do that why don't you make

the effort". I

feel this is the influence of Ketu on my lagna lord and the Moon is in the

nakshatra of Ketu also.

Everything ends in my 12th house with Saturn and Ketu.

 

I think there is a big silent majority of people who, like me, are sick of

all

the phoneys and self appointed social messiahs telling us how to think and

act. Political

correctness has taken root so strongly in Australia you cannot discuss

anything anymore.

Everything is is now some form of "syndrome" and people are flocking to

lawyers to sue

for every little slight they feel society has put on them.

 

We have cultivated the culture of the victim where it is always somebody

elses fault. We cannot undo

the injustices of the past, it is futile. This obsession with saying sorry

for the past is ridiculous. We can

however create the future..............

 

Andrew

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Dear Anna,

 

Thank you for your gracious feedback to what I wrote previously re: Rahu.

 

I don't have your chart, so if you would care to send the birth data, I

would like to see it with regard to the questions re: varga charts and

placements of Rahu/Ketu that you posed. Anyway, based on what you mention

as follows:

 

At 09:39 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

 

>I haven't been in Rahu period yet, but I've noticed that in it's

>sub-periods I was doing fairly well (Rahu in Navasma chart is in my 5th

>house, conj. Mars- and moon in Cp. is in 6th. ) In natal chart it's in 8th

>house- Aquarius.

 

This indicates that you have Leo rising in your Navamsa chart, and thus

Rahu joining Mars indicates a Raja-yoga. Mars, in fact, due to his being

a Yoga-karaka (viz. simultaneous ruler of the 4th and 9th houses), and

joining Rahu in the 5th, is a classic Chaya Graha Raja-yoga, and thus

should bring great results during the sub-periods of Rahu, even thought he

may be placed poorly in the Rasi chart. This is exactly as per the example

that I gave previously. Never rest with the natal placements alone - the

Navamsa placement especially quantifies the final outcome of how natal

planets will operate, for the good or otherwise. At least this should be

the case, so far as the general nature of affairs related to the Navamsa

chart are concerned, but also in general matters as well.

 

I would, however, be cautious about any malefic conjoined Rahu so far as

health matters are concerned. In the 5th house, matters related to

childbirth, i.e. pregnancy and/or labor could have been problematic,

although this entirely depends on the relationship between Mars and Rahu,

and the lord of the operative dasa. If malefics like Mars/Rahu - even

though they are Raja-yoga planets - are in the 8th or 12th from the dasa

lord, then they will invariably cause physical or emotional problems, or

other upsets about which our free will can do nothing. In any case, dasas

of either Mars or Rahu will be very beneficial for you. Other varga charts

show the outcome of such planets w.r.t. the specific areas of life that

they are concerned with.

 

Best regards,

Robert

 

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Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

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Dear Robert,

 

I can hardly think of a better teacher than you are. Thanks a lot for all the

lessons!

 

Yes, you are right, when you say "...In the 5th house, matters related to

childbirth, i.e. pregnancy and/or labor could have been problematic...."- Both

were. I wasn't able to have (more) kids- and pregnancy was a blessing, although

difficult one, as was the labor itself.

 

I won't bother the list any longer, just wanted to give you a feedback.

 

Many thanks, Robert!

Anna

 

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Robert A. Koch

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Monday, January 22, 2001 10:27 PM

Re: [gjlist] Re: Rahu

 

 

Dear Anna,

 

Thank you for your gracious feedback to what I wrote previously re: Rahu.

 

I don't have your chart, so if you would care to send the birth data, I

would like to see it with regard to the questions re: varga charts and

placements of Rahu/Ketu that you posed. Anyway, based on what you mention

as follows:

 

At 09:39 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

 

>I haven't been in Rahu period yet, but I've noticed that in it's

>sub-periods I was doing fairly well (Rahu in Navasma chart is in my 5th

>house, conj. Mars- and moon in Cp. is in 6th. ) In natal chart it's in 8th

>house- Aquarius.

 

This indicates that you have Leo rising in your Navamsa chart, and thus

Rahu joining Mars indicates a Raja-yoga. Mars, in fact, due to his being

a Yoga-karaka (viz. simultaneous ruler of the 4th and 9th houses), and

joining Rahu in the 5th, is a classic Chaya Graha Raja-yoga, and thus

should bring great results during the sub-periods of Rahu, even thought he

may be placed poorly in the Rasi chart. This is exactly as per the example

that I gave previously. Never rest with the natal placements alone - the

Navamsa placement especially quantifies the final outcome of how natal

planets will operate, for the good or otherwise. At least this should be

the case, so far as the general nature of affairs related to the Navamsa

chart are concerned, but also in general matters as well.

 

I would, however, be cautious about any malefic conjoined Rahu so far as

health matters are concerned. In the 5th house, matters related to

childbirth, i.e. pregnancy and/or labor could have been problematic,

although this entirely depends on the relationship between Mars and Rahu,

and the lord of the operative dasa. If malefics like Mars/Rahu - even

though they are Raja-yoga planets - are in the 8th or 12th from the dasa

lord, then they will invariably cause physical or emotional problems, or

other upsets about which our free will can do nothing. In any case, dasas

of either Mars or Rahu will be very beneficial for you. Other varga charts

show the outcome of such planets w.r.t. the specific areas of life that

they are concerned with.

 

Best regards,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

 

 

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Andrew:

 

I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. afflicted

2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many jyotishis

also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking. The

3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology.

Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into

consideration. So much for precise analyses!

 

Example: novelist Henry Miller had 2L Venus in the 10th in Capricorn, of

course, Rahu was in the 2nd too!) Also however, 3L Mercury was conjunct 5L

Sun in the 9th. (source: Frawley's A'y of the Seers) You see this 2nd and

3rd house "close call" in lots of writers charts.

 

In your chart, 2nd house Pisces has Venus in it! And 2L Jupiter is also in

Aq conjunct Merc and Mars. So why not look at 2H for your articulate

sel-expression?

 

At 01:15 PM 1/23/01 +1100, you wrote:

>I probably should not underestimate this association of Mars and Mercury in

>my chart as Mars is the 3rd and 10th lord and Mercury the 5th and 8th lord.

>Both are associated with Jupiter and Jupiter and Mercury have directional

>strength in the lagna.

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>Mars is my 3rd lord of mental outlook, writings and communications

>associated with the natural karaka of writings Mercury. Mercury is the lord

>of the 5th house of intelligence and the 8th house of deeper thinking. Both

>of these planets fall in the nakshatra of Rahu which is my birth yogi planet

>located in the sign of Cancer.

 

What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is

immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet.

 

If anything, I feel it gives me the ability

>to speak and write in a sharp, precise manner. I was born with a good memory

>and a lot of natural sporting ability.

>

>My problem is the Moon associated with Uranus and Pluto and Saturn with Ketu

>in the 12th house. This makes me physically lazy and slow on my feet. Heavy

>planets in the lagna and a heavy planet as lagna lord makes me lead footed

>as shown by Saturn in the house of feet. I also have little inclination to

>be anything or achieve anything. This frustrated people greatly as I grew up

>as people

>were always saying "Andrew you could do this or do that why don't you make

>the effort". I

>feel this is the influence of Ketu on my lagna lord and the Moon is in the

>nakshatra of Ketu also.

>Everything ends in my 12th house with Saturn and Ketu.

>

 

This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. Lack

of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house. I

know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted

because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury. That has to distort

Mars and its 3L role somewhat. I would argue that it accounts for more

than your share of scrapes. Maybe also for ambition. Anyway, I'm a lazy

bugger too who disdains ambition (it's so crass!) and my Saturn is also in

the 12th! However, there has to be more to it that this, as your Ketu conj

suggests.

 

>I think there is a big silent majority of people who, like me, are sick of

>all

>the phoneys and self appointed social messiahs telling us how to think and

>act. Political

>correctness has taken root so strongly in Australia you cannot discuss

>anything anymore.

>Everything is is now some form of "syndrome" and people are flocking to

>lawyers to sue

> for every little slight they feel society has put on them.

>

>We have cultivated the culture of the victim where it is always somebody

>elses fault. We cannot undo

>the injustices of the past, it is futile. This obsession with saying sorry

>for the past is ridiculous. We can

>however create the future..............

 

On *your* terms no doubt, Mr White Man! There are absurd extremes for sure

that the media delight in reporting, but overall I think it's a sign of

civilization. And I like civilization. It's about thinking about other

people as if they mattered. Society shouldn't be blind any more about the

effects it has on its members. Capitalism is a massive system of

exploitation built on the assumption that no one cares about the people who

made their GAP pants, as long as they can have them marketed to them so

that they feel good about themselves. (I am beautiful like those models)

Breaking minimum wage laws? No problem --- $49.99! Harassment of union

organizers? really? do they come in blue? Prison labour? that's

terrible -- I'll put it on my Visa. Where is the dividing line between

fatalistic karma and compassion and justice?

 

Christopher

 

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Dear Christopher,

 

I like your post- the part bellow in particular... However, I have a feeling

that those WONDERFUL, JUST and FAIR - HUMANITARIAN principles, are "exploited"

to the extent that those who are supposed to be protected by them, cannot expect

much, in reality. Like some invisible mind wants to take away a meaning from

them- making an empty phrase out of them.

 

We have already seen how many crimes have been committed, all over the world, in

the name of "protecting humanity"- destroying it, in fact... That's so sad...I

haven't heard of too many cases when so called "minority members filed lawsuit

for discrimination, sexual harassment....

 

Since Andrew is dealing with people, in a capacity which CAN affect them, based

on their TRUST in him, as an astrologer and humanitarian, I want to believe,

and I do, that his remark is related to the above mentioned misuse of those

PRECIOUS ideals of justice, rather than to these concepts themselves. There is

enough room for everybody under the sky, and it's better to have it recognized,

at least, than ignored, for sure. Hoping that the the time will come when that

would be inseparable part of our lives..

 

As for increase in minimum wage- things seem to go in an opposite direction...

Who'll be affected the most?

I guess we all know the answer. I think that those who work with people, help

people, in any capacity, should be in the front-line, in defense of people's

rights.. Otherwise, I doubt that they can help anybody, including themselves.

 

I don't know the reason why I write this- I feel I was "born" with genuine

appreciation for ALL people and ALL

living beings. It makes me disappointed to see "negative propaganda" of so

valuable postulates- so afraid I am for their "life". I want to be an

optimist...though

 

Anna

 

 

 

On *your* terms no doubt, Mr White Man! There are absurd extremes for sure

that the media delight in reporting, but overall I think it's a sign of

civilization. And I like civilization. It's about thinking about other

people as if they mattered. Society shouldn't be blind any more about the

effects it has on its members. Capitalism is a massive system of

exploitation built on the assumption that no one cares about the people who

made their GAP pants, as long as they can have them marketed to them so

that they feel good about themselves. (I am beautiful like those models)

Breaking minimum wage laws? No problem --- $49.99! Harassment of union

organizers? really? do they come in blue? Prison labour? that's

terrible -- I'll put it on my Visa. Where is the dividing line between

fatalistic karma and compassion and justice?

 

Christopher

 

 

 

 

 

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> Andrew:

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> I thought speaking was always attributed to the 2nd house (eg. afflicted

> 2nd houses indicate bad language and telling falsehoods). Many jyotishis

> also put writing in the 2nd as well as it is another form of speaking.

The

> 3rd as a writing house seems more connected with western astrology.

> Myself, I am agnostic on the question and often take both houses into

> consideration. So much for precise analyses!

>

Yes this is all true about speech as the second house rules the mouth

and throat but the 3rd house rules the nervous system and the mental

inclination. The 3rd house also governs writing through the movement of the

arms. I think the 3rd house governs the mode or nature of expression of the

speech. For example, my speech has the nature of Mars in expression in that

it is sharp, cutting and often cynical. I can literally wound and cut with

my speech as shown by Mars the 3rd lord. Jupiter as lord of the 2nd house

would show my speaking organs are well formed and I have a clear and healthy

voice. It is a bit like the 4th and 5th house ruling the heart. The 4th

rules the emotional and watery aspect and the 5th the muscular and fiery

aspect. This shows why the 5th is concerned with love affairs and other

things that make the heart pump faster. The 9th and 10th reveal the father

and status given by him. If you look at George Bush Jnrs chart, his 10th

lord, or lord of the house of the face of the father is Mars. Mars is in his

2nd house showing he has the same crusty face as the father. My 5th lord of

the house of speech of the mother is Mercury. The affliction of Mars on

Mercury show why my Mother has very fierce speech and swears like a

shearer.Your point about Jupiter with Mars is relevent to my speech also.

All houses are interelated in these ways. We must also look to Mercury and

its placement as well. I think basically the 2nd house does show your

ability to speak and the 3rd shows the nature of the expression of this

speech. Make sense?? The mouth and arms usually work in sync when we speak

also. e.g Italians

 

>What role does Cancer play here? I gather the fact that it is Rahu is

> immaterial; the point is that it is your yogi planet.

 

Well firstly Cancer is the sign of the emotions and feelings of the heart. I

speak from the heart. Planets in the birth yogi's nakshatra are boosted for

the good. This Rahu is is the nakshatra of Ashleesha a sharp and dreadful

star which is symbolised by the coiled serpent of the Kundalini. This gives

the potency to the speech and expression. Ashleesha is ruled by Mercury the

karaka of speech and my 5th and 8th lords. Mars and Mercury fall in the

nakshatra of Rahu who is in the sign of the Moon and both aspect the Moon in

the 7th house. The Moon as the dispositor of Rahu is in the nakshatra of

Magha ruled by Ketu. Ketu is in the 12th house with Saturn who is dispositor

of all three planets in the lagna. Both Saturn and Ketu fall in the nakshara

of the Moon, Shravana. Shravana is said to give knowledge of the Vedas and

the ability and inclination to disregard the material world. It is a

nakshatra of service to humanity. My Saturn is final dispositor of all the

planets in the12th house and also aspects my atmakaraka of Venus to within 1

degree. Gurudeva has his Moon in Shravana as does David Frawley who is also

a devotee of Gurudeva like me. I'm actually getting to the stage where I

couldn't give a toss about anything and I really look forward to going to

sleep at night where I have no connection with the physical world anymore.

 

What I find very interesting also is the connection between charts of people

who connect together like us on the net. Your chart and my chart are well

matched as is mine with Robert Koch's. My Pundit has Moon, Sun and Jupiter

in Aquarius in my lagna and he has exalted Venus like me also. Yogaswami was

born with the Moon in Aquarius and he is my Pundits Guru. Subramuniyaswami

or Gurudeva who is the disciple of Yogaswami was born with Jupiter in

Aquarius within 1 degree of my Jupiter and his Moon falls on the same degree

as my lagna lord. My lagna lord falls in his lagna of Capricorn and

Gurudeva's lagna lord falls in the lagna of Pundits in Scorpio. If I

remember correctly David Frawley also has Jupiter in Aquarius and the Moon

in Capricorn. Are all these aspects coincidence or not. I do know I've read

everything Gurudeva has written and everything David has written also.

Pundit claims he converses with both Yogaswami and Gurudeva everynight when

he is asleep. All I know is I feel connected to all these people and the

knowlege they have. I also believe this has been going on long before the

19th of March 1962 when I was born. A rational man like yourself may well

think I'm insane...

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This is an interesting take on things, but I don't know if I agree. Lack

> of ambition should be seen through stilted Mars and a weak 3rd house.

 

For ambition you also need a well placed and prominent Sun indicating strong

self belief and the need to be shine in life. My Sun is in the 12th sign in

the nakshatra of Saturn and also aspected by Saturn. I have no real sense of

self and couldn't give a rats arse anymore about what others think about me.

I

> know it's hard to say your Mars is weak, but it is seriously afflicted

> because of the near-exact conjunction of 8L Mercury.

 

No planet in the lagna is weak! Mars is 10th lord in the lagna. In navamsha

Mars is lagna lord exalted in the 10th house with Rahu. Jupiter and Mercury

have directional strength in the lagna. Any more cracks about my weak Mars

and I'll reach through cyberspace and rip your F***** arms off..........

(only kidding). Make no mistake I'm a red hot Mars man. Mercury is

afflicted. Mercury has taken on the energy of this strong Mars.

 

That has to distort

> Mars and its 3L role somewhat. I would argue that it accounts for more

> than your share of scrapes. Maybe also for ambition. Anyway, I'm a

lazy

> bugger too who disdains ambition (it's so crass!) and my Saturn is also in

> the 12th! However, there has to be more to it that this, as your Ketu

conj

> suggests.

 

Look the Moon could be made of frozen yoghurt for all I really know. Some

old Pundit told me when Saturn transits Gemini in aspect to my Sun, Venus

and Moon I will renounce women. That would be interesting!!

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> . Where is the dividing line between fatalistic karma and compassion and

justice?

 

Who knows? The Sun, Moon and Neptune are conjunct in my 12th house of sleep

with my lagna lord. No wonder I have no perspective of reality tonight.

 

Good dreams tonight.........

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Andrew

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P.S I actually got an email from David Frawley today about Mrityu bhaga.

 

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