Outer Planets

January 19, 2001

where can i get some knowledge of the impact of uranus and pluto in

respective houses and signs please?

as of today a lot is written and known about the other planets but i have

no access to any writtenmatter onthese two

if you can give some clue or at least some fundamental

obvservations/principles governing the impact of these planets at various

location , i will try to reaffirm the same by checking with respect to

reallife situations

thanks

rbb

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natabara <natabara

GJlist <gjlist >

Friday, January 19, 2001 9:56 AM

[gjlist] OUTER PLANETS

> Dear Andrew

>

> <<The ancient astrologer had to erect charts by hand which took

considerable

> skill and time. We are lucky in the fact we have computers and access to

> tremendous amounts of birth data and events that can be verified. This

puts

> us at a big advantage and we should endevour to put up new ideas and

> concepts for scrutiny without fear of being ridiculed or attacked. We must

> not become "fundamentalist astrologers" who attack anybody whose views

> differ from ours or the ancient texts.

>

> I think conservative thinking in some areas of Vedic astrology has led to

a

> denial of the outer planets and their usefulness in interpreting a chart

> also. In the ancient texts there was no mention of electricity, computers

or

> aeroplanes but none of us would deny their use or effectiveness. Having

> never been a western astrologer I have no interest in hijacking any part

of

> Vedic astrology or adding parts of one system to the other, but the

effects

> of the outer planets are one thing I think we all should look at more

> carefully. I have already mentioned in other postings my thoughts about

> Uranus being the planet of astrology and the third eye chakra and Neptune

> relating to mystics and the crown chakra. This is very evident if you look

> at the charts of people like Yogaswami, Gurudeva and the Dalai Lama. The

> very position of their Neptune in particular would indicate it's

importance.

>

> I'm not suggesting you can't do a reading without these planets but you

> either ignore them or try to interpret them and I prefer to look at them

> objectively. My old teacher has decades of experience in astrology and is

a

> very traditional Hindu. He insists the outer planets are very important

and

> should never be ignored. He came to this conclusion after observing their

> effects over many years simply by seeing them in charts. I would think we

> should all embrace his open mindedness as well.

>

> As a last comment on the nodes it would seem there has always been two

camps

> with some saying they are "shadow" grahas and therefore cannot cast

aspects

> and others who think they cast a trine aspect. My advice to everybody is

to

> find out yourself which is right.>>

>

> I agree with you in almost evrything you mention in this quotation. One

of my jyotish gurus is very old and have lived in caves in the Himalayas for

many years in austerities, meditation & devotion to the Lord. Before i met

him about 7 years ago & too was not taking the outer planets into

consideration "cos they are not mentioned in the books on vedic astrology

that so far i had read". Once i saw his talents, i did not argue with him,

i just followed. He was amused by my fundamentalist attitude towards

certain areas & he destroyed that illusion. He was amused as well by the

fact that people in the West pay to be frightened (horror movies, amusement

? places). He told me that he can frighten people for free. Regarding the

outer planets he told me that they are very important and he gave me

examples of their influence in transits over natal planets and on whole

generations. Once i studied his guidance it made a lot of sense to me. We

know that we only have in Engish about 1% of the books ever written about

vedic astrology, i will not be surprised if in the near future we find vedic

astrology books giving the importance of the outer planets. BTW, he is in

his 90's now and he is more fit than me both physical or mental. I am just

waiting for the next conjunction of mars with Pluto in a few weeks time to

confirm certain of my observations. Also, this year Uranus will go into

Aquarius for few months before going retro into Capricorn but later on it

will transit its own sign for many years. Then, when Uranus is in Pisces

and Neptune is in Aquarius, i guess that they will make a kind of

Parivarthana yoga. Also, we have Pluto in Scorpio now but going into

Sagittarius in about 5 years time. Pluto is the residence of Lord Yamaraj,

the superintendent of death just like Osiris in Egypt. In India, Yamaraj is

known as the lord of Yama (death) but also as Dharmaraj, lord of dharma

(virtue, duty, religion). In traditional astrology, Scorpio is the sign of

death (the 8th sign) and Sagittarius is the sign of dharma (9th house/sign).

In traditional astrology, Scorpio is the sign of Pluto. So we can say that

Pluto in Scorpio is strong enough to bring drastic changes into humanity by

destroying mental conditionmenst and habits. Also, we can say that Pluto in

transit from Scorpio into Sagittarius, suffers a transformation (Pluto is

the planet of transformation) and from being Yamaraja becomes Dharmaraja. I

ask myself if Pluto in Sagittarius is going to clean up the corruption in

present religions. And Egyptians used to consider the passage of the soul

across the Milky Way, between Scorpio & Sagittarius.

>

> Also, now that we can talk about the outer planets, i am observing the

association of Saturn and jupiter in Taurus opposite to Pluto. This

configuration does not happen in the past 2000 years & i feel that it is

very important. To me what is happening in America, the present most

powerful nation on earth, is related mainly to this unique configuration

which we are not going to see for perhaps another 2 or 3,000 years from now.

Then we have the last conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in Aries (May 2000)

which we will not see it again for another 800 or 900 years. We as

astrologers are supposed to study the sky for planetary configurations and

to give guidance to people in general. If the medicine works, who cares for

the rules? Jesus Christ was condemned for healing on Saturdays but he did

not care. I love to use my intuition. BTW, i use the mean Rahu as

instructed by the great Parasara but everyone is free to learn by their

mistakes.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Natabara Das

>

> gjlist-

>

January 20, 2001

Dear Members,

As is the common understanding, the ancient Rishi's (Parashara et.al) were

truly "enlightened" seers. I'm quite sure they were as aware of the

existence of the OUTER PLANETS as they were of UPAGRAHAS etc (which are

completely invisible). It's illogical to put forward the argument that they

didn't consider them because they didn't know they were there!

Modern-day Rishi's (if we believe MMY to be one) also state that the outer

planets play no part in the destiny of Man.

I have to believe (unless we see ourselves also as enlightened seers) that

their vision is "clearer" than ours.

Regards

Wendy

January 21, 2001

RBB wrote:

> where can i get some knowledge of the impact of uranus and pluto in

> respective houses and signs please?

> as of today a lot is written and known about the other planets but i have

> no access to any writtenmatter onthese two

Dear RBB,

Uranus was discovered in 1781, Neptune in 1846 and pluto in 1930. Since their

discovery uranus has been about 2 and a half times around the zodiac, neptune

will complete the first round in 2010, pluto has done a bit over a quarter! Yet

people have assigned houses to them and claim to have understood their

effects!!! Even if past horoscopes are calculated, one hardly knows the true

nature of the persons concerned.

As you say, there are a number of books about the outers, but most of it is

wishful thinking. They seem to have definite effects only if they are conjunct

one of the angle points, at birth or in return charts. Some effect is also seen

if they make absolute degree aspects like square or trine to the angles.

Otherwise one could look for some influence if absolutely conjunct with sun,

moon, mercury, venus and perhaps mars. But these will only tinge the character

etc. a bit, lend a streak of originality, dreaminess, secretiveness etc. They do

seem to play a role in accidents, explosions etc. Mere placement in a house or

rasi affects the whole world, not individuals as such.

A prominent uranus would seem to give an increased interest in science; a

prominent neptune an interest in the occult, as well as a liking for chemistry.

A prominent pluto seems to give a connection with crime, police, dangerous

situations, set off phenomena like poltergeists. Neptune and pluto also seem to

have connections with drugs, one addiction, the other dealing.

I do not accept anything said about the outers as if based on long experience:

relatively few charts have them prominent enough for study!

My 2 cts.

regards

Mani

January 21, 2001

Hi,

I would suggest L. Green book on Pluto (Donna Cunnigam wrote a book "healing the

Pluto problems", Hmm, but I would suggest that you start with Ms. Green). As for

Uranus, it's my impression, due to it's unpredictability, suddenness of effects,

etc, astrologers are usually avoiding dealing with it in depth- I've found that

my own research is far more valuable, so pay attention to house position,

angularity, and aspects, particularly with Mars (violent combination). Green

wrote a book on Neptune, also.You can find (good) references from her books..

I would highly recommend "Cycles of Becoming", written by Ruperty- among other

things, you'll find cycles of Uranus, Neptune, very educative, insightful, and

accurate!

Good Luck,

Anna

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RBB

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