Sv: Outer Planets Opinion

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Om Krishna Guru

 

Somehow theres an anticipation that the Sages didn't know of the outer planets,

and thus didn't use them?

 

I can't recollect the Author but, i remember that Vyas has said to have seen

Neptune and Uranus during an eclipse(don't ask me how), and has percieved Pluto

as a Nakshatra; which mean a slow moving graha, and thus asigned it as a

Nakshatra.

 

Its beleived that the sages knew of the grahas, however didn't impelement them

for various reasons.

 

>From my studies of Western Astrology, I felt that the Outer planets rather

attributed to the events caused by other grahas. Thus not having the power to

directly create an event.

 

I maybe wrong, but if you contemplate the methods we use in Jyotish, and put

that together with the Outer planets you may come to the same conclusion. At

first i used the Outer planets with Jyotish, but disgarded them as they really

didn't help in determining the events.

 

Rob.. i went through a Pluto transit to my Sun in first, during my 10-13 years

of age.. very very bad ego-wise.

 

Just thougt i'd express my two cents on the subject..

 

Over and out.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

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Robert A. Koch <rkoch

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Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:29 PM

Re: [gjlist] Outer Planets Opinion

 

 

Namaste Das, Mani, et al

 

-At 09:05 PM 1/20/01 +0100, you wrote:

 

>It is your right to keep away from them. But perhaps also your obligation to

>evaluate their influences. Parasara did not teach for eternity or close his

>teachings as the last word. No teacher wishes that his pupils will prove his

>teachings to be false, but every TRUE teacher hopes that his pupils will

>add to

>the knowledge and thank his teacher for having given him the background!

>Parasara, I´m sure, did not want his pupils to be only parrotasaras!

 

As always, your logic, Mani, is quite sound. Personally, I never neglect

to seriously consider the effects of outer planets, in exact aspect to

natal planets, either in the rasi chart, or in transit. I was like Das in

the beginning of my study of Jyotish, and never considered them, until

transit Pluto came to a roving conjunction of my natal Moon, a process

which took a long time to complete. What happened? I had a complete

change of lifestyle, from a Vedic monk living a strict ashram life in

several temples, and service to my guru, to living apart form the ashram,

and supporting myself as an astrologer. The difference between these two

lifestyles, is like night and day, needless to say. Of course, in my

chart, there is an exact 90 degree angle between natal Moon and Pluto,

which makes the transiting effect of Pluto to the Moon all the more

poignant some 40 years after birth.

 

Still, the outers were not a part of Parasari astrology, for whatever

reason (the possibilities given by you above), and so they can never really

be implemented with the essential methodologies of Jyotish. For example,

which naksatra would you ascribe to Pluto? And how would you distribute

rulership of three extra planets to 27 naksatras? Would some naksatras

have two rulers, an inner planet, and then one of the outers? Tithis

(lunar days) also come under the rulership of planets, according to a fixed

scheme. Where would the outer planets fit into this system? Also, if you

wanted to quantify the effects of their transits using Ashtakavarga, which

sector of the AV chakra would you assign to the outer planets? They would

not fit, as only 7 planets + the lagna fit into that scheme.

 

Further, the nature of Jyotish, is that it is more individually oriented so

far as the definitions of karmas, and their timings, are concerned. The

idea of taking only the planets within the orbit of Saturn (the figurative

wheel of time who dispenses all good and bad reactions to karmas) seems to

show that the "inner" planets have more to do with the functions of

individual karmas. Those that are extra-Saturnine, may not be considered

as such (although they sure give you a good kick in the butt by transit,

whether or not you consider that karma!).

 

So really, the only way you are going to integrate the outer planets into

the scheme of Vedic astrology, is to see their transits, or natal

contacts. So far as the naksatras underlying the most important predictive

methods in Jyotish: including the outers, would be like mixing oil with

water (in other words, they will never mix). You would have to create an

entirely new predictive system, which would have virtually nothing to do

with Vedic astrology as we know it. In this connection, Rudyard Kipling

was once quoted as saying: "Two trains starting at the same time, one

traveling to the East, and the other traveling to the West, will never meet

on the other side".

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

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