looking for a solve and explain in vedic

[Guest guest]

hi,

i m interseted with western astrology

but i ve got a problem and i couldn t find a solve in western astrology

 

could you help me?

may be there is an explain and solve in vedic.

 

i would like to learn something about vertex.in my chart vertex is

conj.with S.N.moon and (vertex

21 13' cancer and s.n.moon 21 06' cancer in my 8th house.)

 

and cancer men and (especially) women always bring me bad events and

they are always come in

to my life surprisingly.and they are damaging my love life.what could i

do for bad cancer impacts in my love life?

 

my birthdata

19.october.1972

09:55 AM (Eastern European Time ; -02:00)

istanbul Turkey

female

in western ; libra and asc 07 20 sag

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Elif:

 

About your problems with "cancer people", do you mean people who have their

western/tropical Sun in Cancer? If that's the case, as I think it is, then

perhaps the problem is that your South Node (we call it Ketu in vedic

astrology) is in Cancer. This is often linked to life's hard lessons, so

if you're meeting a lot of people who have their Suns conjunct your Ketu,

they may be trying to tell you something about yourself. In other words,

these problems may contain lessons for you about how to grow as a person in

this life. If they're taking advantage of you, then you should be more

assertive, if they're deceiving you, then be more skeptical of people, and

so forth. It's really a compatibility problem: the Sun and Ketu don't get

along too well. Perhaps you'd have better luck with people who are "Pisces"

or "Virgo" since you have your Moon in Pisces and Venus in Virgo (western

zodiac signs).

 

Your chart is interesting because the vertex is exactly conjunct the

SN/Ketu. Very unusual. The vertex functions as a sort of second ascendant

so planets that it touches are stronger in the chart. That means that Ketu

is more pronounced in your personality -- or so goes the theory of

vertexes. Ketu/SN on an angle like this might mean you are a sensitive

spiritual person, perhaps you are considered weird or eccentric by others

(that's an easy one, since you're into astrology, the answer is probably

"yes"!). Maybe you're restless in life, seeking change and travelling a

lot, etc. Those are a few of the possible effects of having the vertex

conjunct SN/Ketu. Remember though, that I'm not including other parts of

your chart for balance, so while Ketu might be a spiritual impractical

influence, you may have some more conservative elements in your horoscope

that can counterbalance it.

 

As for your love life, well, I can't offer any quick anti-cancer remedies.

I see your Venus is pretty strong in Leo in the 10th house. It has only

only obvious affliction: a trine from Rahu/NN. This might bring problems

in love but not too many. Perhaps you might prefer foreigners or unusual

partners, or you find it hard to decide who to pursue. To me, your bigger

love problem comes from Venus's affliction from navamsha Uranus. I'm not

sure how much jyotish you know, but the 9th harmonic chart is called

navamsha, and it helps determine a person's love life. In your 9th

harmonic chart, Uranus is at 22 Leo (sidereal zodiac). This is exactly

conjunct your natal Venus, also at 22 Leo. The result, I think, will be a

difficulty maintaining relationships, since Uranus brings sudden changes

and overall unexpected weirdness with it. Maybe your love life is turned

upside down in a blink of an eye. Or you find it hard to commit for a

relationship. If it's any consolation, I have a similar configuration in

my chart, although with somewhat different results, except for the obvious:

I'm perennially single!

 

Hope this helps,

 

Chris

 

It At 06:40 PM 1/17/01 +0200, you wrote:

>hi,

>i m interseted with western astrology

>but i ve got a problem and i couldn t find a solve in western astrology

>

>could you help me?

>may be there is an explain and solve in vedic.

>

>i would like to learn something about vertex.in my chart vertex is

>conj.with S.N.moon and (vertex

>21 13' cancer and s.n.moon 21 06' cancer in my 8th house.)

>

>and cancer men and (especially) women always bring me bad events and

>they are always come in

>to my life surprisingly.and they are damaging my love life.what could i

>do for bad cancer impacts in my love life?

>

>my birthdata

>19.october.1972

>09:55 AM (Eastern European Time ; -02:00)

>istanbul Turkey

>female

>in western ; libra and asc 07 20 sag

>

>

>

>

>

>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris,

 

I've also noticed that S(outh)N conj with Sun of other person (western), is not

a very happy combination in synastry- personally I don't have that experience

with my SN in Leo- get along well with leos- more problems with cancers, though!

Difficult brats for me! And mothering those with Sun conj. my Saturn(in Libra)!-

most of my family! I have vertex in exact conj. with the Moon- and my mother has

always been very powerful person in my life. However, I haven't heard so far

that vertex is as important as Asc?( I know it is important, particularly in

conjunction, even in return charts!- but.. ) Thanks for bringing this to my

attention-and, would you please elaborate on this?

 

Thanks,

Anna

 

 

 

-

Christopher Kevill

gjlist

Cc: elifgunes

Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:58 PM

Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

 

 

Hello Elif:

 

About your problems with "cancer people", do you mean people who have their

western/tropical Sun in Cancer? If that's the case, as I think it is, then

perhaps the problem is that your South Node (we call it Ketu in vedic

astrology) is in Cancer. This is often linked to life's hard lessons, so

if you're meeting a lot of people who have their Suns conjunct your Ketu,

they may be trying to tell you something about yourself. In other words,

these problems may contain lessons for you about how to grow as a person in

this life. If they're taking advantage of you, then you should be more

assertive, if they're deceiving you, then be more skeptical of people, and

so forth. It's really a compatibility problem: the Sun and Ketu don't get

along too well. Perhaps you'd have better luck with people who are "Pisces"

or "Virgo" since you have your Moon in Pisces and Venus in Virgo (western

zodiac signs).

 

Your chart is interesting because the vertex is exactly conjunct the

SN/Ketu. Very unusual. The vertex functions as a sort of second ascendant

so planets that it touches are stronger in the chart. That means that Ketu

is more pronounced in your personality -- or so goes the theory of

vertexes. Ketu/SN on an angle like this might mean you are a sensitive

spiritual person, perhaps you are considered weird or eccentric by others

(that's an easy one, since you're into astrology, the answer is probably

"yes"!). Maybe you're restless in life, seeking change and travelling a

lot, etc. Those are a few of the possible effects of having the vertex

conjunct SN/Ketu. Remember though, that I'm not including other parts of

your chart for balance, so while Ketu might be a spiritual impractical

influence, you may have some more conservative elements in your horoscope

that can counterbalance it.

 

As for your love life, well, I can't offer any quick anti-cancer remedies.

I see your Venus is pretty strong in Leo in the 10th house. It has only

only obvious affliction: a trine from Rahu/NN. This might bring problems

in love but not too many. Perhaps you might prefer foreigners or unusual

partners, or you find it hard to decide who to pursue. To me, your bigger

love problem comes from Venus's affliction from navamsha Uranus. I'm not

sure how much jyotish you know, but the 9th harmonic chart is called

navamsha, and it helps determine a person's love life. In your 9th

harmonic chart, Uranus is at 22 Leo (sidereal zodiac). This is exactly

conjunct your natal Venus, also at 22 Leo. The result, I think, will be a

difficulty maintaining relationships, since Uranus brings sudden changes

and overall unexpected weirdness with it. Maybe your love life is turned

upside down in a blink of an eye. Or you find it hard to commit for a

relationship. If it's any consolation, I have a similar configuration in

my chart, although with somewhat different results, except for the obvious:

I'm perennially single!

 

Hope this helps,

 

Chris

 

It At 06:40 PM 1/17/01 +0200, you wrote:

>hi,

>i m interseted with western astrology

>but i ve got a problem and i couldn t find a solve in western astrology

>

>could you help me?

>may be there is an explain and solve in vedic.

>

>i would like to learn something about vertex.in my chart vertex is

>conj.with S.N.moon and (vertex

>21 13' cancer and s.n.moon 21 06' cancer in my 8th house.)

>

>and cancer men and (especially) women always bring me bad events and

>they are always come in

>to my life surprisingly.and they are damaging my love life.what could i

>do for bad cancer impacts in my love life?

>

>my birthdata

>19.october.1972

>09:55 AM (Eastern European Time ; -02:00)

>istanbul Turkey

>female

>in western ; libra and asc 07 20 sag

>

>

>

>

>

>

>gjlist-

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>

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Anna:

 

I'm certainly no expert of vertexes, east points and the rest. I probably

know as much as you. I hope I didn't imply that they were as importnat as

Asc; only that they are often seen as second ascendants that one may

consult when looking for contacts with natal planets. In Elif's case, it's

bang on Ketu so that might be something to note and see how it plays out in

her life. Anyway, I don't really use it in my daily work, although if I

hear about more good cases like this one and yours (!) then I well might.

 

As for synastric problems with Ketu, I think one has to be careful about

simple judgements. My Ketu is in Aquarius and I haven't really notived a

"problem" with people with Aquarius rising, although that is a different

synastric combination. To be honest I don't know a lot of Aquarian Sun

people -- maybe that's the karma working out right there!

 

over and out,

 

Chris

 

At 10:02 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Chris,

>

>I've also noticed that S(outh)N conj with Sun of other person (western),

is not a very happy combination in synastry- personally I don't have that

experience with my SN in Leo- get along well with leos- more problems with

cancers, though! Difficult brats for me! And mothering those with Sun conj.

my Saturn(in Libra)!- most of my family! I have vertex in exact conj. with

the Moon- and my mother has always been very powerful person in my life.

However, I haven't heard so far that vertex is as important as Asc?( I know

it is important, particularly in conjunction, even in return charts!- but..

) Thanks for bringing this to my attention-and, would you please elaborate

on this?

>

>Thanks,

>Anna

>

>

>

> -

> Christopher Kevill

> gjlist

> Cc: elifgunes

> Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:58 PM

> Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

>

>

> Hello Elif:

>

> About your problems with "cancer people", do you mean people who have their

> western/tropical Sun in Cancer? If that's the case, as I think it is, then

> perhaps the problem is that your South Node (we call it Ketu in vedic

> astrology) is in Cancer. This is often linked to life's hard lessons, so

> if you're meeting a lot of people who have their Suns conjunct your Ketu,

> they may be trying to tell you something about yourself. In other words,

> these problems may contain lessons for you about how to grow as a person in

> this life. If they're taking advantage of you, then you should be more

> assertive, if they're deceiving you, then be more skeptical of people, and

> so forth. It's really a compatibility problem: the Sun and Ketu don't get

> along too well. Perhaps you'd have better luck with people who are "Pisces"

> or "Virgo" since you have your Moon in Pisces and Venus in Virgo (western

> zodiac signs).

>

> Your chart is interesting because the vertex is exactly conjunct the

> SN/Ketu. Very unusual. The vertex functions as a sort of second ascendant

> so planets that it touches are stronger in the chart. That means that Ketu

> is more pronounced in your personality -- or so goes the theory of

> vertexes. Ketu/SN on an angle like this might mean you are a sensitive

> spiritual person, perhaps you are considered weird or eccentric by others

> (that's an easy one, since you're into astrology, the answer is probably

> "yes"!). Maybe you're restless in life, seeking change and travelling a

> lot, etc. Those are a few of the possible effects of having the vertex

> conjunct SN/Ketu. Remember though, that I'm not including other parts of

> your chart for balance, so while Ketu might be a spiritual impractical

> influence, you may have some more conservative elements in your horoscope

> that can counterbalance it.

>

> As for your love life, well, I can't offer any quick anti-cancer remedies.

> I see your Venus is pretty strong in Leo in the 10th house. It has only

> only obvious affliction: a trine from Rahu/NN. This might bring problems

> in love but not too many. Perhaps you might prefer foreigners or unusual

> partners, or you find it hard to decide who to pursue. To me, your bigger

> love problem comes from Venus's affliction from navamsha Uranus. I'm not

> sure how much jyotish you know, but the 9th harmonic chart is called

> navamsha, and it helps determine a person's love life. In your 9th

> harmonic chart, Uranus is at 22 Leo (sidereal zodiac). This is exactly

> conjunct your natal Venus, also at 22 Leo. The result, I think, will be a

> difficulty maintaining relationships, since Uranus brings sudden changes

> and overall unexpected weirdness with it. Maybe your love life is turned

> upside down in a blink of an eye. Or you find it hard to commit for a

> relationship. If it's any consolation, I have a similar configuration in

> my chart, although with somewhat different results, except for the obvious:

> I'm perennially single!

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Chris

>

> It At 06:40 PM 1/17/01 +0200, you wrote:

> >hi,

> >i m interseted with western astrology

> >but i ve got a problem and i couldn t find a solve in western astrology

> >

> >could you help me?

> >may be there is an explain and solve in vedic.

> >

> >i would like to learn something about vertex.in my chart vertex is

> >conj.with S.N.moon and (vertex

> >21 13' cancer and s.n.moon 21 06' cancer in my 8th house.)

> >

> >and cancer men and (especially) women always bring me bad events and

> >they are always come in

> >to my life surprisingly.and they are damaging my love life.what could i

> >do for bad cancer impacts in my love life?

> >

> >my birthdata

> >19.october.1972

> >09:55 AM (Eastern European Time ; -02:00)

> >istanbul Turkey

> >female

> >in western ; libra and asc 07 20 sag

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >gjlist-

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> gjlist-

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>gjlist-

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[Guest guest]

Hi Christopher,

thanks lot,

 

yes ,right. i mean that western/tropical sun in cancer.

 

about natal venus conj navamsha uranus.i think you re right.

my love life suddenly change and unexpected weirdness with it.

i attract to unusual ,strong, charismatic men.and always my love life up and

down.

 

and i look at my western progress chart

in 08.august 2001 there is exactly conj.with prog.uranus and prog.venus.

 

is there any interesting transit in 8 aug.2001 in vedic for me.

 

thanks again,

nice to meet you,

Elif

 

 

 

Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

> Anna:

>

> I'm certainly no expert of vertexes, east points and the rest. I probably

> know as much as you. I hope I didn't imply that they were as importnat as

> Asc; only that they are often seen as second ascendants that one may

> consult when looking for contacts with natal planets. In Elif's case, it's

> bang on Ketu so that might be something to note and see how it plays out in

> her life. Anyway, I don't really use it in my daily work, although if I

> hear about more good cases like this one and yours (!) then I well might.

>

> As for synastric problems with Ketu, I think one has to be careful about

> simple judgements. My Ketu is in Aquarius and I haven't really notived a

> "problem" with people with Aquarius rising, although that is a different

> synastric combination. To be honest I don't know a lot of Aquarian Sun

> people -- maybe that's the karma working out right there!

>

> over and out,

>

> Chris

>

> At 10:02 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >Hi Chris,

> >

> >I've also noticed that S(outh)N conj with Sun of other person (western),

> is not a very happy combination in synastry- personally I don't have that

> experience with my SN in Leo- get along well with leos- more problems with

> cancers, though! Difficult brats for me! And mothering those with Sun conj.

> my Saturn(in Libra)!- most of my family! I have vertex in exact conj. with

> the Moon- and my mother has always been very powerful person in my life.

> However, I haven't heard so far that vertex is as important as Asc?( I know

> it is important, particularly in conjunction, even in return charts!- but..

> ) Thanks for bringing this to my attention-and, would you please elaborate

> on this?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Anna

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Christopher Kevill

> > gjlist

> > Cc: elifgunes

> > Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:58 PM

> > Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

> >

> >

> > Hello Elif:

> >

> > About your problems with "cancer people", do you mean people who have their

> > western/tropical Sun in Cancer? If that's the case, as I think it is, then

> > perhaps the problem is that your South Node (we call it Ketu in vedic

> > astrology) is in Cancer. This is often linked to life's hard lessons, so

> > if you're meeting a lot of people who have their Suns conjunct your Ketu,

> > they may be trying to tell you something about yourself. In other words,

> > these problems may contain lessons for you about how to grow as a person in

> > this life. If they're taking advantage of you, then you should be more

> > assertive, if they're deceiving you, then be more skeptical of people, and

> > so forth. It's really a compatibility problem: the Sun and Ketu don't get

> > along too well. Perhaps you'd have better luck with people who are "Pisces"

> > or "Virgo" since you have your Moon in Pisces and Venus in Virgo (western

> > zodiac signs).

> >

> > Your chart is interesting because the vertex is exactly conjunct the

> > SN/Ketu. Very unusual. The vertex functions as a sort of second ascendant

> > so planets that it touches are stronger in the chart. That means that Ketu

> > is more pronounced in your personality -- or so goes the theory of

> > vertexes. Ketu/SN on an angle like this might mean you are a sensitive

> > spiritual person, perhaps you are considered weird or eccentric by others

> > (that's an easy one, since you're into astrology, the answer is probably

> > "yes"!). Maybe you're restless in life, seeking change and travelling a

> > lot, etc. Those are a few of the possible effects of having the vertex

> > conjunct SN/Ketu. Remember though, that I'm not including other parts of

> > your chart for balance, so while Ketu might be a spiritual impractical

> > influence, you may have some more conservative elements in your horoscope

> > that can counterbalance it.

> >

> > As for your love life, well, I can't offer any quick anti-cancer remedies.

> > I see your Venus is pretty strong in Leo in the 10th house. It has only

> > only obvious affliction: a trine from Rahu/NN. This might bring problems

> > in love but not too many. Perhaps you might prefer foreigners or unusual

> > partners, or you find it hard to decide who to pursue. To me, your bigger

> > love problem comes from Venus's affliction from navamsha Uranus. I'm not

> > sure how much jyotish you know, but the 9th harmonic chart is called

> > navamsha, and it helps determine a person's love life. In your 9th

> > harmonic chart, Uranus is at 22 Leo (sidereal zodiac). This is exactly

> > conjunct your natal Venus, also at 22 Leo. The result, I think, will be a

> > difficulty maintaining relationships, since Uranus brings sudden changes

> > and overall unexpected weirdness with it. Maybe your love life is turned

> > upside down in a blink of an eye. Or you find it hard to commit for a

> > relationship. If it's any consolation, I have a similar configuration in

> > my chart, although with somewhat different results, except for the obvious:

> > I'm perennially single!

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Chris

> >

> > It At 06:40 PM 1/17/01 +0200, you wrote:

> > >hi,

> > >i m interseted with western astrology

> > >but i ve got a problem and i couldn t find a solve in western astrology

> > >

> > >could you help me?

> > >may be there is an explain and solve in vedic.

> > >

> > >i would like to learn something about vertex.in my chart vertex is

> > >conj.with S.N.moon and (vertex

> > >21 13' cancer and s.n.moon 21 06' cancer in my 8th house.)

> > >

> > >and cancer men and (especially) women always bring me bad events and

> > >they are always come in

> > >to my life surprisingly.and they are damaging my love life.what could i

> > >do for bad cancer impacts in my love life?

> > >

> > >my birthdata

> > >19.october.1972

> > >09:55 AM (Eastern European Time ; -02:00)

> > >istanbul Turkey

> > >female

> > >in western ; libra and asc 07 20 sag

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >gjlist-

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[Guest guest]

Elif:

 

At 02:54 PM 1/22/01 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi Christopher,

>thanks lot,

>

>yes ,right. i mean that western/tropical sun in cancer.

>

>about natal venus conj navamsha uranus.i think you re right.

>my love life suddenly change and unexpected weirdness with it.

>i attract to unusual ,strong, charismatic men.and always my love life up

and down.

 

I would also guess they might be mostly older with Saturn in your 7th

house. The strength and charisma of your partners might be partially

attributable to Rahu's aspect on Venus (7L) but also the fact that 7L Venus

is in Leo. To me, this scores one point for the sidereal/vedic zodiac.

 

>

>and i look at my western progress chart

>in 08.august 2001 there is exactly conj.with prog.uranus and prog.venus.

>

>is there any interesting transit in 8 aug.2001 in vedic for me.

 

I see what you mean: on Aug 8 2001, using secondary progressions,

progressed Venus is exactly conjunct progressed Uranus. That is part of

the general configuration at work for sure. I would caution against over

focusing on *exact* contacts, especiallly progressions. Since they are

always part of a much larger picture, they are almost never exact when the

event occurs. At least, that's my experience. Right now, progressed Venus

and Uranus are only 0*38 away from each other. In my books, that's a

conjunction and depending on other factors, the event that is promised in

the configuration can happen anytime around now. That's why I thought that

love would be coming in March or so. You have to also look at transits,

other progressions (minor and tertiary), as well as dashas, a wonderful

Indian invention. Are you familiar at all with dashas (planetary periods)?

 

Chris

 

>

>thanks again,

>nice to meet you,

>Elif

>

>

>

>Christopher Kevill wrote:

>

>> Anna:

>>

>> I'm certainly no expert of vertexes, east points and the rest. I probably

>> know as much as you. I hope I didn't imply that they were as importnat as

>> Asc; only that they are often seen as second ascendants that one may

>> consult when looking for contacts with natal planets. In Elif's case, it's

>> bang on Ketu so that might be something to note and see how it plays out in

>> her life. Anyway, I don't really use it in my daily work, although if I

>> hear about more good cases like this one and yours (!) then I well might.

>>

>> As for synastric problems with Ketu, I think one has to be careful about

>> simple judgements. My Ketu is in Aquarius and I haven't really notived a

>> "problem" with people with Aquarius rising, although that is a different

>> synastric combination. To be honest I don't know a lot of Aquarian Sun

>> people -- maybe that's the karma working out right there!

>>

>> over and out,

>>

>> Chris

>>

>> At 10:02 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

>> >Hi Chris,

>> >

>> >I've also noticed that S(outh)N conj with Sun of other person (western),

>> is not a very happy combination in synastry- personally I don't have that

>> experience with my SN in Leo- get along well with leos- more problems with

>> cancers, though! Difficult brats for me! And mothering those with Sun conj.

>> my Saturn(in Libra)!- most of my family! I have vertex in exact conj. with

>> the Moon- and my mother has always been very powerful person in my life.

>> However, I haven't heard so far that vertex is as important as Asc?( I know

>> it is important, particularly in conjunction, even in return charts!- but..

>> ) Thanks for bringing this to my attention-and, would you please elaborate

>> on this?

>> >

>> >Thanks,

>> >Anna

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -

>> > Christopher Kevill

>> > gjlist

>> > Cc: elifgunes

>> > Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:58 PM

>> > Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

>> >

>> >

>> > Hello Elif:

>> >

>> > About your problems with "cancer people", do you mean people who have

their

>> > western/tropical Sun in Cancer? If that's the case, as I think it

is, then

>> > perhaps the problem is that your South Node (we call it Ketu in vedic

>> > astrology) is in Cancer. This is often linked to life's hard

lessons, so

>> > if you're meeting a lot of people who have their Suns conjunct your

Ketu,

>> > they may be trying to tell you something about yourself. In other

words,

>> > these problems may contain lessons for you about how to grow as a

person in

>> > this life. If they're taking advantage of you, then you should be more

>> > assertive, if they're deceiving you, then be more skeptical of

people, and

>> > so forth. It's really a compatibility problem: the Sun and Ketu

don't get

>> > along too well. Perhaps you'd have better luck with people who are

"Pisces"

>> > or "Virgo" since you have your Moon in Pisces and Venus in Virgo

(western

>> > zodiac signs).

>> >

>> > Your chart is interesting because the vertex is exactly conjunct the

>> > SN/Ketu. Very unusual. The vertex functions as a sort of second

ascendant

>> > so planets that it touches are stronger in the chart. That means

that Ketu

>> > is more pronounced in your personality -- or so goes the theory of

>> > vertexes. Ketu/SN on an angle like this might mean you are a sensitive

>> > spiritual person, perhaps you are considered weird or eccentric by

others

>> > (that's an easy one, since you're into astrology, the answer is probably

>> > "yes"!). Maybe you're restless in life, seeking change and travelling a

>> > lot, etc. Those are a few of the possible effects of having the vertex

>> > conjunct SN/Ketu. Remember though, that I'm not including other

parts of

>> > your chart for balance, so while Ketu might be a spiritual impractical

>> > influence, you may have some more conservative elements in your

horoscope

>> > that can counterbalance it.

>> >

>> > As for your love life, well, I can't offer any quick anti-cancer

remedies.

>> > I see your Venus is pretty strong in Leo in the 10th house. It has only

>> > only obvious affliction: a trine from Rahu/NN. This might bring

problems

>> > in love but not too many. Perhaps you might prefer foreigners or

unusual

>> > partners, or you find it hard to decide who to pursue. To me, your

bigger

>> > love problem comes from Venus's affliction from navamsha Uranus. I'm

not

>> > sure how much jyotish you know, but the 9th harmonic chart is called

>> > navamsha, and it helps determine a person's love life. In your 9th

>> > harmonic chart, Uranus is at 22 Leo (sidereal zodiac). This is exactly

>> > conjunct your natal Venus, also at 22 Leo. The result, I think, will

be a

>> > difficulty maintaining relationships, since Uranus brings sudden changes

>> > and overall unexpected weirdness with it. Maybe your love life is

turned

>> > upside down in a blink of an eye. Or you find it hard to commit for a

>> > relationship. If it's any consolation, I have a similar

configuration in

>> > my chart, although with somewhat different results, except for the

obvious:

>> > I'm perennially single!

>> >

>> > Hope this helps,

>> >

>> > Chris

>> >

>> > It At 06:40 PM 1/17/01 +0200, you wrote:

>> > >hi,

>> > >i m interseted with western astrology

>> > >but i ve got a problem and i couldn t find a solve in western astrology

>> > >

>> > >could you help me?

>> > >may be there is an explain and solve in vedic.

>> > >

>> > >i would like to learn something about vertex.in my chart vertex is

>> > >conj.with S.N.moon and (vertex

>> > >21 13' cancer and s.n.moon 21 06' cancer in my 8th house.)

>> > >

>> > >and cancer men and (especially) women always bring me bad events and

>> > >they are always come in

>> > >to my life surprisingly.and they are damaging my love life.what could i

>> > >do for bad cancer impacts in my love life?

>> > >

>> > >my birthdata

>> > >19.october.1972

>> > >09:55 AM (Eastern European Time ; -02:00)

>> > >istanbul Turkey

>> > >female

>> > >in western ; libra and asc 07 20 sag

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >gjlist-

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> > gjlist-

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >gjlist-

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> gjlist-

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[Guest guest]

Christopher Kevill wrote:

> Elif:

> I see what you mean: on Aug 8 2001, using secondary progressions,

> progressed Venus is exactly conjunct progressed Uranus. That is part of

 

 

May I add my 2cts. to this? Any partnership that starts under the influence of

uranus is sudden, totally fascinating, rich in experience. But it tends to end

abruptly and painfully, but it would have left its mark indelibly, even shifted

the path of one´s life, having acted as a switch. it is a milestone in life!

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

Agree. Uranus contacts, in progressions, in particular, manifest as soon as

another planet "touches" it within the orb- not at the time of precise

conjunction

Anna

-

Christopher Kevill

gjlist

Monday, January 22, 2001 9:43 AM

Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

 

 

Elif:

 

At 02:54 PM 1/22/01 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi Christopher,

>thanks lot,

>

>yes ,right. i mean that western/tropical sun in cancer.

>

>about natal venus conj navamsha uranus.i think you re right.

>my love life suddenly change and unexpected weirdness with it.

>i attract to unusual ,strong, charismatic men.and always my love life up

and down.

 

I would also guess they might be mostly older with Saturn in your 7th

house. The strength and charisma of your partners might be partially

attributable to Rahu's aspect on Venus (7L) but also the fact that 7L Venus

is in Leo. To me, this scores one point for the sidereal/vedic zodiac.

 

>

>and i look at my western progress chart

>in 08.august 2001 there is exactly conj.with prog.uranus and prog.venus.

>

>is there any interesting transit in 8 aug.2001 in vedic for me.

 

I see what you mean: on Aug 8 2001, using secondary progressions,

progressed Venus is exactly conjunct progressed Uranus. That is part of

the general configuration at work for sure. I would caution against over

focusing on *exact* contacts, especiallly progressions. Since they are

always part of a much larger picture, they are almost never exact when the

event occurs. At least, that's my experience. Right now, progressed Venus

and Uranus are only 0*38 away from each other. In my books, that's a

conjunction and depending on other factors, the event that is promised in

the configuration can happen anytime around now. That's why I thought that

love would be coming in March or so. You have to also look at transits,

other progressions (minor and tertiary), as well as dashas, a wonderful

Indian invention. Are you familiar at all with dashas (planetary periods)?

 

Chris

 

>

>thanks again,

>nice to meet you,

>Elif

>

>

>

>Christopher Kevill wrote:

>

>> Anna:

>>

>> I'm certainly no expert of vertexes, east points and the rest. I probably

>> know as much as you. I hope I didn't imply that they were as importnat as

>> Asc; only that they are often seen as second ascendants that one may

>> consult when looking for contacts with natal planets. In Elif's case, it's

>> bang on Ketu so that might be something to note and see how it plays out in

>> her life. Anyway, I don't really use it in my daily work, although if I

>> hear about more good cases like this one and yours (!) then I well might.

>>

>> As for synastric problems with Ketu, I think one has to be careful about

>> simple judgements. My Ketu is in Aquarius and I haven't really notived a

>> "problem" with people with Aquarius rising, although that is a different

>> synastric combination. To be honest I don't know a lot of Aquarian Sun

>> people -- maybe that's the karma working out right there!

>>

>> over and out,

>>

>> Chris

>>

>> At 10:02 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

>> >Hi Chris,

>> >

>> >I've also noticed that S(outh)N conj with Sun of other person (western),

>> is not a very happy combination in synastry- personally I don't have that

>> experience with my SN in Leo- get along well with leos- more problems with

>> cancers, though! Difficult brats for me! And mothering those with Sun conj.

>> my Saturn(in Libra)!- most of my family! I have vertex in exact conj. with

>> the Moon- and my mother has always been very powerful person in my life.

>> However, I haven't heard so far that vertex is as important as Asc?( I know

>> it is important, particularly in conjunction, even in return charts!- but..

>> ) Thanks for bringing this to my attention-and, would you please elaborate

>> on this?

>> >

>> >Thanks,

>> >Anna

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -

>> > Christopher Kevill

>> > gjlist

>> > Cc: elifgunes

>> > Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:58 PM

>> > Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

>> >

>> >

>> > Hello Elif:

>> >

>> > About your problems with "cancer people", do you mean people who have

their

>> > western/tropical Sun in Cancer? If that's the case, as I think it

is, then

>> > perhaps the problem is that your South Node (we call it Ketu in vedic

>> > astrology) is in Cancer. This is often linked to life's hard

lessons, so

>> > if you're meeting a lot of people who have their Suns conjunct your

Ketu,

>> > they may be trying to tell you something about yourself. In other

words,

>> > these problems may contain lessons for you about how to grow as a

person in

>> > this life. If they're taking advantage of you, then you should be more

>> > assertive, if they're deceiving you, then be more skeptical of

people, and

>> > so forth. It's really a compatibility problem: the Sun and Ketu

don't get

>> > along too well. Perhaps you'd have better luck with people who are

"Pisces"

>> > or "Virgo" since you have your Moon in Pisces and Venus in Virgo

(western

>> > zodiac signs).

>> >

>> > Your chart is interesting because the vertex is exactly conjunct the

>> > SN/Ketu. Very unusual. The vertex functions as a sort of second

ascendant

>> > so planets that it touches are stronger in the chart. That means

that Ketu

>> > is more pronounced in your personality -- or so goes the theory of

>> > vertexes. Ketu/SN on an angle like this might mean you are a sensitive

>> > spiritual person, perhaps you are considered weird or eccentric by

others

>> > (that's an easy one, since you're into astrology, the answer is probably

>> > "yes"!). Maybe you're restless in life, seeking change and travelling a

>> > lot, etc. Those are a few of the possible effects of having the vertex

>> > conjunct SN/Ketu. Remember though, that I'm not including other

parts of

>> > your chart for balance, so while Ketu might be a spiritual impractical

>> > influence, you may have some more conservative elements in your

horoscope

>> > that can counterbalance it.

>> >

>> > As for your love life, well, I can't offer any quick anti-cancer

remedies.

>> > I see your Venus is pretty strong in Leo in the 10th house. It has only

>> > only obvious affliction: a trine from Rahu/NN. This might bring

problems

>> > in love but not too many. Perhaps you might prefer foreigners or

unusual

>> > partners, or you find it hard to decide who to pursue. To me, your

bigger

>> > love problem comes from Venus's affliction from navamsha Uranus. I'm

not

>> > sure how much jyotish you know, but the 9th harmonic chart is called

>> > navamsha, and it helps determine a person's love life. In your 9th

>> > harmonic chart, Uranus is at 22 Leo (sidereal zodiac). This is exactly

>> > conjunct your natal Venus, also at 22 Leo. The result, I think, will

be a

>> > difficulty maintaining relationships, since Uranus brings sudden changes

>> > and overall unexpected weirdness with it. Maybe your love life is

turned

>> > upside down in a blink of an eye. Or you find it hard to commit for a

>> > relationship. If it's any consolation, I have a similar

configuration in

>> > my chart, although with somewhat different results, except for the

obvious:

>> > I'm perennially single!

>> >

>> > Hope this helps,

>> >

>> > Chris

>> >

>> > It At 06:40 PM 1/17/01 +0200, you wrote:

>> > >hi,

>> > >i m interseted with western astrology

>> > >but i ve got a problem and i couldn t find a solve in western astrology

>> > >

>> > >could you help me?

>> > >may be there is an explain and solve in vedic.

>> > >

>> > >i would like to learn something about vertex.in my chart vertex is

>> > >conj.with S.N.moon and (vertex

>> > >21 13' cancer and s.n.moon 21 06' cancer in my 8th house.)

>> > >

>> > >and cancer men and (especially) women always bring me bad events and

>> > >they are always come in

>> > >to my life surprisingly.and they are damaging my love life.what could i

>> > >do for bad cancer impacts in my love life?

>> > >

>> > >my birthdata

>> > >19.october.1972

>> > >09:55 AM (Eastern European Time ; -02:00)

>> > >istanbul Turkey

>> > >female

>> > >in western ; libra and asc 07 20 sag

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >gjlist-

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> > gjlist-

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >gjlist-

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> gjlist-

>

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>

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>

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gjlist-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Elif,

Just one more thing, I missed to mention: don't expect much from Venus-Uran

contact -although stronger in progressions than by transit- if not

simultaneously supported by other (stronger) indications, not much will come out

of it, if anything- it's "fleeting", infatuation, suddenness, interesting

(sometimes just social) contact(s), etc- like a breeze- not bad, for a change,

a?

Anna

-

Anna

gjlist

Monday, January 22, 2001 12:40 PM

Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

 

 

Agree. Uranus contacts, in progressions, in particular, manifest as soon as

another planet "touches" it within the orb- not at the time of precise

conjunction

Anna

-

Christopher Kevill

gjlist

Monday, January 22, 2001 9:43 AM

Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

 

 

Elif:

 

At 02:54 PM 1/22/01 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi Christopher,

>thanks lot,

>

>yes ,right. i mean that western/tropical sun in cancer.

>

>about natal venus conj navamsha uranus.i think you re right.

>my love life suddenly change and unexpected weirdness with it.

>i attract to unusual ,strong, charismatic men.and always my love life up

and down.

 

I would also guess they might be mostly older with Saturn in your 7th

house. The strength and charisma of your partners might be partially

attributable to Rahu's aspect on Venus (7L) but also the fact that 7L Venus

is in Leo. To me, this scores one point for the sidereal/vedic zodiac.

 

>

>and i look at my western progress chart

>in 08.august 2001 there is exactly conj.with prog.uranus and prog.venus.

>

>is there any interesting transit in 8 aug.2001 in vedic for me.

 

I see what you mean: on Aug 8 2001, using secondary progressions,

progressed Venus is exactly conjunct progressed Uranus. That is part of

the general configuration at work for sure. I would caution against over

focusing on *exact* contacts, especiallly progressions. Since they are

always part of a much larger picture, they are almost never exact when the

event occurs. At least, that's my experience. Right now, progressed Venus

and Uranus are only 0*38 away from each other. In my books, that's a

conjunction and depending on other factors, the event that is promised in

the configuration can happen anytime around now. That's why I thought that

love would be coming in March or so. You have to also look at transits,

other progressions (minor and tertiary), as well as dashas, a wonderful

Indian invention. Are you familiar at all with dashas (planetary periods)?

 

Chris

 

>

>thanks again,

>nice to meet you,

>Elif

>

>

>

>Christopher Kevill wrote:

>

>> Anna:

>>

>> I'm certainly no expert of vertexes, east points and the rest. I

probably

>> know as much as you. I hope I didn't imply that they were as importnat

as

>> Asc; only that they are often seen as second ascendants that one may

>> consult when looking for contacts with natal planets. In Elif's case,

it's

>> bang on Ketu so that might be something to note and see how it plays out

in

>> her life. Anyway, I don't really use it in my daily work, although if I

>> hear about more good cases like this one and yours (!) then I well might.

>>

>> As for synastric problems with Ketu, I think one has to be careful about

>> simple judgements. My Ketu is in Aquarius and I haven't really notived a

>> "problem" with people with Aquarius rising, although that is a different

>> synastric combination. To be honest I don't know a lot of Aquarian Sun

>> people -- maybe that's the karma working out right there!

>>

>> over and out,

>>

>> Chris

>>

>> At 10:02 PM 1/21/01 -0500, you wrote:

>> >Hi Chris,

>> >

>> >I've also noticed that S(outh)N conj with Sun of other person (western),

>> is not a very happy combination in synastry- personally I don't have that

>> experience with my SN in Leo- get along well with leos- more problems

with

>> cancers, though! Difficult brats for me! And mothering those with Sun

conj.

>> my Saturn(in Libra)!- most of my family! I have vertex in exact conj.

with

>> the Moon- and my mother has always been very powerful person in my life.

>> However, I haven't heard so far that vertex is as important as Asc?( I

know

>> it is important, particularly in conjunction, even in return charts!-

but..

>> ) Thanks for bringing this to my attention-and, would you please

elaborate

>> on this?

>> >

>> >Thanks,

>> >Anna

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > -

>> > Christopher Kevill

>> > gjlist

>> > Cc: elifgunes

>> > Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:58 PM

>> > Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

>> >

>> >

>> > Hello Elif:

>> >

>> > About your problems with "cancer people", do you mean people who have

their

>> > western/tropical Sun in Cancer? If that's the case, as I think it

is, then

>> > perhaps the problem is that your South Node (we call it Ketu in vedic

>> > astrology) is in Cancer. This is often linked to life's hard

lessons, so

>> > if you're meeting a lot of people who have their Suns conjunct your

Ketu,

>> > they may be trying to tell you something about yourself. In other

words,

>> > these problems may contain lessons for you about how to grow as a

person in

>> > this life. If they're taking advantage of you, then you should be

more

>> > assertive, if they're deceiving you, then be more skeptical of

people, and

>> > so forth. It's really a compatibility problem: the Sun and Ketu

don't get

>> > along too well. Perhaps you'd have better luck with people who are

"Pisces"

>> > or "Virgo" since you have your Moon in Pisces and Venus in Virgo

(western

>> > zodiac signs).

>> >

>> > Your chart is interesting because the vertex is exactly conjunct the

>> > SN/Ketu. Very unusual. The vertex functions as a sort of second

ascendant

>> > so planets that it touches are stronger in the chart. That means

that Ketu

>> > is more pronounced in your personality -- or so goes the theory of

>> > vertexes. Ketu/SN on an angle like this might mean you are a

sensitive

>> > spiritual person, perhaps you are considered weird or eccentric by

others

>> > (that's an easy one, since you're into astrology, the answer is

probably

>> > "yes"!). Maybe you're restless in life, seeking change and travelling

a

>> > lot, etc. Those are a few of the possible effects of having the

vertex

>> > conjunct SN/Ketu. Remember though, that I'm not including other

parts of

>> > your chart for balance, so while Ketu might be a spiritual impractical

>> > influence, you may have some more conservative elements in your

horoscope

>> > that can counterbalance it.

>> >

>> > As for your love life, well, I can't offer any quick anti-cancer

remedies.

>> > I see your Venus is pretty strong in Leo in the 10th house. It has

only

>> > only obvious affliction: a trine from Rahu/NN. This might bring

problems

>> > in love but not too many. Perhaps you might prefer foreigners or

unusual

>> > partners, or you find it hard to decide who to pursue. To me, your

bigger

>> > love problem comes from Venus's affliction from navamsha Uranus. I'm

not

>> > sure how much jyotish you know, but the 9th harmonic chart is called

>> > navamsha, and it helps determine a person's love life. In your 9th

>> > harmonic chart, Uranus is at 22 Leo (sidereal zodiac). This is

exactly

>> > conjunct your natal Venus, also at 22 Leo. The result, I think, will

be a

>> > difficulty maintaining relationships, since Uranus brings sudden

changes

>> > and overall unexpected weirdness with it. Maybe your love life is

turned

>> > upside down in a blink of an eye. Or you find it hard to commit for a

>> > relationship. If it's any consolation, I have a similar

configuration in

>> > my chart, although with somewhat different results, except for the

obvious:

>> > I'm perennially single!

>> >

>> > Hope this helps,

>> >

>> > Chris

>> >

>> > It At 06:40 PM 1/17/01 +0200, you wrote:

>> > >hi,

>> > >i m interseted with western astrology

>> > >but i ve got a problem and i couldn t find a solve in western

astrology

>> > >

>> > >could you help me?

>> > >may be there is an explain and solve in vedic.

>> > >

>> > >i would like to learn something about vertex.in my chart vertex is

>> > >conj.with S.N.moon and (vertex

>> > >21 13' cancer and s.n.moon 21 06' cancer in my 8th house.)

>> > >

>> > >and cancer men and (especially) women always bring me bad events and

>> > >they are always come in

>> > >to my life surprisingly.and they are damaging my love life.what could

i

>> > >do for bad cancer impacts in my love life?

>> > >

>> > >my birthdata

>> > >19.october.1972

>> > >09:55 AM (Eastern European Time ; -02:00)

>> > >istanbul Turkey

>> > >female

>> > >in western ; libra and asc 07 20 sag

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >gjlist-

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> > gjlist-

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >gjlist-

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>> gjlist-

>

>

>

>

>

>

>gjlist-

>

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gjlist-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello again Anna,

 

At 04:54 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Elif,

>Just one more thing, I missed to mention: don't expect much from

>Venus-Uran contact -although stronger in progressions than by transit- if

>not simultaneously supported by other (stronger) indications, not much

>will come out of it, if anything- it's "fleeting", infatuation,

>suddenness, interesting (sometimes just social) contact(s), etc- like a

>breeze- not bad, for a change, a?

>Anna

 

Now, here again, is where the subject matter of yogas comes in: If Venus is

involved with strong Raja-yogas, or is itself occupying strong

sign/house/varga positions, then the Uranus transiting contact is going to

make much more of a difference. My partner, for example, is having this

exact transit right now, with her Venus/Saturn at 25 degrees of Capricorn

natally. Now, that is a powerful Raja-yoga in her chart for Libra rising,

and thus the catalyzing effect of Uranus in transit is giving her all kinds

of spiritual realizations, and she has made contact with some important

healers and spiritual mentors that are making a big contribution in her

life. So whatever the planet's potential the birth chart, correspondingly

a transit is going to either activate, or ignore, whatever the case may be.

 

My two cents.............

Robert

 

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

[Guest guest]

Thanks again Robert- when I said that some other stronger indications have to be

present, I wasn't referring to vedic interpretation- so I like you wrote this.

In western astrology, I have also seen that Venus-Uran contacts in

progression(s) are quite often related to some more social, than love events..

And haven't researched the same in vedic, ( you guess), as you've been doing.

Just gave what "I have"- and what I've explored enough.

 

The example that you provided is also very good for studying. Robert- if I

publish all your posts, that I have printed out so far- and it's a fairly big,

good book- I can make decent money... (Just kidding- but sounds as a good idea

anyway)

 

Anna

-

Robert A. Koch

gjlist

Monday, January 22, 2001 10:46 PM

Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

 

 

Hello again Anna,

 

At 04:54 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Elif,

>Just one more thing, I missed to mention: don't expect much from

>Venus-Uran contact -although stronger in progressions than by transit- if

>not simultaneously supported by other (stronger) indications, not much

>will come out of it, if anything- it's "fleeting", infatuation,

>suddenness, interesting (sometimes just social) contact(s), etc- like a

>breeze- not bad, for a change, a?

>Anna

 

Now, here again, is where the subject matter of yogas comes in: If Venus is

involved with strong Raja-yogas, or is itself occupying strong

sign/house/varga positions, then the Uranus transiting contact is going to

make much more of a difference. My partner, for example, is having this

exact transit right now, with her Venus/Saturn at 25 degrees of Capricorn

natally. Now, that is a powerful Raja-yoga in her chart for Libra rising,

and thus the catalyzing effect of Uranus in transit is giving her all kinds

of spiritual realizations, and she has made contact with some important

healers and spiritual mentors that are making a big contribution in her

life. So whatever the planet's potential the birth chart, correspondingly

a transit is going to either activate, or ignore, whatever the case may be.

 

My two cents.............

Robert

 

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Anna wrote:

> Hi Elif,

> Just one more thing, I missed to mention: don't expect much from Venus-Uran

> contact -although stronger in progressions than by transit- if not

> simultaneously supported by other (stronger) indications, not much will come

> out of it, if anything- it's "fleeting", infatuation, suddenness,

> interesting (sometimes just social) contact(s), etc- like a breeze- not bad,

> for a change, a?

 

Dear Anna,

 

I disagree: it is a "fleeting" experience, BUT very long-lasting in effect. When

the outers speak, they speak very intensely: either very strong transitionally

or very long lasting. Fickleness is NOT their character. It looks fickle only if

the aspect is not absolute, when they only cast shadows. But any tight aspect is

very strong in effect - tightness is within plus minus 30 seconds!

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

Robert and Anna (and Elif!):

 

I think we have to distinguish between Uranus transits and

progressions/arcs. Transits are by definition "fleeting" and, therefore,

weaker in their effects. Quite often, they have no effect whatsoever. A

Uranus transit will more likely conform to that textbook "fleeting" or

short-lived quality when it comes to Venus love contacts. In Elif's chart,

the contact is a progression -- something that occurs more infrequently and

lasts much longer and thus I would argue is more signficant. If it's

backed up by other indications, as it clearly is, then it points to a major

relationship.

 

I agree with Robert that it can't deliver what isnt' promised in the natal

chart, although it will do its level best to yield its natural

significations as well. The extent to which it can do this depends of the

natal chart. But why, Robert, is your partner experiencing spiritual

contacts and realizations? If Ve-Sat are in Cap in the 4th, Saturn rules

the 4th and 5th while Venus rules the 1st and 8th. Is this all linked to

Saturn rulership over the 5th house? By itself, not what I would have

predicted...

 

Chris

 

At 07:46 PM 1/22/01 -0800, you wrote:

>Hello again Anna,

>

>At 04:54 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote:

>>Hi Elif,

>>Just one more thing, I missed to mention: don't expect much from

>>Venus-Uran contact -although stronger in progressions than by transit- if

>>not simultaneously supported by other (stronger) indications, not much

>>will come out of it, if anything- it's "fleeting", infatuation,

>>suddenness, interesting (sometimes just social) contact(s), etc- like a

>>breeze- not bad, for a change, a?

>>Anna

>

>Now, here again, is where the subject matter of yogas comes in: If Venus is

>involved with strong Raja-yogas, or is itself occupying strong

>sign/house/varga positions, then the Uranus transiting contact is going to

>make much more of a difference. My partner, for example, is having this

>exact transit right now, with her Venus/Saturn at 25 degrees of Capricorn

>natally. Now, that is a powerful Raja-yoga in her chart for Libra rising,

>and thus the catalyzing effect of Uranus in transit is giving her all kinds

>of spiritual realizations, and she has made contact with some important

>healers and spiritual mentors that are making a big contribution in her

>life. So whatever the planet's potential the birth chart, correspondingly

>a transit is going to either activate, or ignore, whatever the case may be.

>

>My two cents.............

>Robert

>

>

>=====================================

>Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

>760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

>Bend, OR. 97701-9037

>Phone: 541-318-0248

>visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

>rk. rk

>

>

>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi Chris,

 

thanks for your comments.

i agree with you.

and i feel that it will be more significant than uranus or venus transits.

in vedic astrology

i m in saturn dasha and

sa/su/me dasha will begin 23 jul 2001.

 

and i think this dasha should be an important one.

my natal vedic chart

saturn in my 7th house and saturn ruling my 3th and 4th house.

Sun in 12th house and ruling my 10th house.

mercury in 12th house and ruling my 11th ve 8th house.

 

and i wanna ask a question.

i read that; sun in 12th house isn't a good placement for sun.this placement

causes for delay in important progressions in life.

and for debilited sun wearing ruby is very good.

but ruby is very expensive .

could i wear ruby star ?or could not?

 

thanks,

Elif

 

 

 

 

Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

> Robert and Anna (and Elif!):

>

> I think we have to distinguish between Uranus transits and

> progressions/arcs. Transits are by definition "fleeting" and, therefore,

> weaker in their effects. Quite often, they have no effect whatsoever. A

> Uranus transit will more likely conform to that textbook "fleeting" or

> short-lived quality when it comes to Venus love contacts. In Elif's chart,

> the contact is a progression -- something that occurs more infrequently and

> lasts much longer and thus I would argue is more signficant. If it's

> backed up by other indications, as it clearly is, then it points to a major

> relationship.

>

> I agree with Robert that it can't deliver what isnt' promised in the natal

> chart, although it will do its level best to yield its natural

> significations as well. The extent to which it can do this depends of the

> natal chart. But why, Robert, is your partner experiencing spiritual

> contacts and realizations? If Ve-Sat are in Cap in the 4th, Saturn rules

> the 4th and 5th while Venus rules the 1st and 8th. Is this all linked to

> Saturn rulership over the 5th house? By itself, not what I would have

> predicted...

>

> Chris

>

> At 07:46 PM 1/22/01 -0800, you wrote:

> >Hello again Anna,

> >

> >At 04:54 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >>Hi Elif,

> >>Just one more thing, I missed to mention: don't expect much from

> >>Venus-Uran contact -although stronger in progressions than by transit- if

> >>not simultaneously supported by other (stronger) indications, not much

> >>will come out of it, if anything- it's "fleeting", infatuation,

> >>suddenness, interesting (sometimes just social) contact(s), etc- like a

> >>breeze- not bad, for a change, a?

> >>Anna

> >

> >Now, here again, is where the subject matter of yogas comes in: If Venus is

> >involved with strong Raja-yogas, or is itself occupying strong

> >sign/house/varga positions, then the Uranus transiting contact is going to

> >make much more of a difference. My partner, for example, is having this

> >exact transit right now, with her Venus/Saturn at 25 degrees of Capricorn

> >natally. Now, that is a powerful Raja-yoga in her chart for Libra rising,

> >and thus the catalyzing effect of Uranus in transit is giving her all kinds

> >of spiritual realizations, and she has made contact with some important

> >healers and spiritual mentors that are making a big contribution in her

> >life. So whatever the planet's potential the birth chart, correspondingly

> >a transit is going to either activate, or ignore, whatever the case may be.

> >

> >My two cents.............

> >Robert

> >

> >

> >=====================================

> >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

> >Bend, OR. 97701-9037

> >Phone: 541-318-0248

> >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

> >rk. rk

> >

> >

> >

> >gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> gjlist-

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mani,

 

It's good to hear about other's experience. I haven't seen yet, (in my long

western astro- experience) that Uran/Venus, brought anything serious, unless

some other contacts were present. But

Pluto/ Venus- that's a different story. And with long lasting "stamps". So, not

all outers, IMHO, produce the same effect.

 

However, despite my experience, I got a strong impetus to believe in what Robert

wrote: house and planet's Lords...etc (please see Robert's post)- Jyotish, not

western. And will certainly explore that..

 

Do you have any example, rationale behind- (as we have in Robert's post)- would

be nice if you would share that.

 

Anna

 

 

-

subra

gjlist

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 5:34 AM

Re: [gjlist] looking for a solve and explain in vedic

 

 

Anna wrote:

> Hi Elif,

> Just one more thing, I missed to mention: don't expect much from Venus-Uran

> contact -although stronger in progressions than by transit- if not

> simultaneously supported by other (stronger) indications, not much will

come

> out of it, if anything- it's "fleeting", infatuation, suddenness,

> interesting (sometimes just social) contact(s), etc- like a breeze- not

bad,

> for a change, a?

 

Dear Anna,

 

I disagree: it is a "fleeting" experience, BUT very long-lasting in effect.

When

the outers speak, they speak very intensely: either very strong

transitionally

or very long lasting. Fickleness is NOT their character. It looks fickle only

if

the aspect is not absolute, when they only cast shadows. But any tight aspect

is

very strong in effect - tightness is within plus minus 30 seconds!

 

regards

Mani

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Elif:

 

At 11:59 PM 1/23/01 +0200, you wrote:

>hi Chris,

>

>thanks for your comments.

>i agree with you.

>and i feel that it will be more significant than uranus or venus transits.

>in vedic astrology

>i m in saturn dasha and

>sa/su/me dasha will begin 23 jul 2001.

 

I wouldn't focus too much on this particular date. Dasha start dates

change according to which ayanamsha one uses. If you use krishnamurti, it

starts 6/6/01. Anyway, why is this particular combination of dashas

significant for you? Just because they coincide with the exact conjunction

of progressed Venus and Uranus? Sorry, but I wouldn't follow that line of

thinking if I were you as I outlined previously. You can't fetishize exact

dates of transit/progressions conjunctions, nor of dasha start dates.

There are too many other factors that enter into the mix. It's better to

look at them as approximate dates.

 

>

>and i think this dasha should be an important one.

>my natal vedic chart

>saturn in my 7th house and saturn ruling my 3th and 4th house.

>Sun in 12th house and ruling my 10th house.

>mercury in 12th house and ruling my 11th ve 8th house.

 

Could you explain this a bit more, I don't follow your thinking here.

 

>

>and i wanna ask a question.

>i read that; sun in 12th house isn't a good placement for sun.this placement

>causes for delay in important progressions in life.

>and for debilited sun wearing ruby is very good.

>but ruby is very expensive .

>could i wear ruby star ?or could not?

 

First of all, let me say I have never worn a gem and have never suggested

to anyone to wear one. I've heard stories of their effectiveness, but I'm

not convinced yet. They're so expensive and they often act as a lazy

substitute for a person taking charge of their life in a more active way.

Sort of like taking a pill to lower blood pressure rather than changing

one's lifestyle.

 

If your Sun is weak, then why not learn about some of the likely

manifestations its having on your life such as low self-confidence, a weak

ego, an inability to take action in *your* best interests, or whatever.

These are things that you have to explore for yourself either alone or with

the help of a good astrologer or counsellor/therapist. I'm not a huge fan

of self-help books, but I do admit that they serve some purpose in our

society. They allow people to address head-on some of things they wish to

change in their lives. Now if you wish to follow a more traditionally

vedic form of remedial measure for a weak planet, then why not consider

making charitable offerings to the appropriate person/place? This may help

the weakness the planet and also help someone else in need. That sounds

like a good idea to me. As the Sun represents the father, you might

consider doing some service for him. Other significations for the Sun may

include the elderly, although there is some debate about that. I would ask

some more experienced astrologers about Sun persons/institutions suitable

for charity. But if you want to wear a ruby, be my guest and please let me

know how it's going after a while. Did it work? Did you feel that it

improved your Sun problems? Anyway, I wouldn't spend all that money on a

ruby, perhaps the semi-percious garnet would be a preferable choice if you

are intent on getting a gem.

 

keep me posted,

 

Chris