Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 Mark said: I am wondering do you have any kind of experience about transcendental consciousness?! The answer is flatly no. My life is wholly mundane and I wallow in a well of sensual addiction without a trace of light. I have never met anyone holy, divine, transcendental. I don't believe in it and I'm probably going to hell. ;~) The real answer to your question is that you have to understand that there is another conception of what is holy, transcendent etc., separate from the one that you have, separate from the one that says "She's not the only one" etc. There is not just one conception of what is Hindu enlightenment. (Because if she's "one", then "being Devi" is "it" or "acceptable" and that is in question with some of us as some of us feel you cannot ever be Devi because Devi is Devi and nobody else can "be Devi" and Devi would never be human, and Amma is obviously human-it's personalistic verse impersonalistic theism) Don't want to go into it more here/now. I respectfully accept Amma as the Guru of many, and see that they are benefitted. Like I said, I have a good friend who is a Devotee of Amma, and this person is a GOOD friend of mine, a person with GOOD qualitities, who attributes them primarily to being around Amma alot, and I can't/won't/don't deny that persons feelings. But I don't have to theosophically agree with what this person constantly says, which is that "Amma is God". Similarly, I also don't agree when some popular movements state that "we are all God", etc. I experience my understanding of transcendence quite often. I have to to survive to be honest, as I find life without it virtually unlivably awful, horrifying, miserable, frightening, scary, unhappy, deadly, and all the other worst words I can think of. Words and knowledge are pieces. The summation of knowledge is hard to speak out, true. But to not speak at all doesn't help those who are learning. Also true is that the teacher must walk where the students live, ortherwise, how will they meet him? Divinity "comes down" to reveal itself but doesn't interfere in the process of the Jivas apparent path of "choice", otherwise the path gets spoiled and the goal impossible. That is why God is so hard to find. You have to go through all that is found on the path of "you really have to want Him badly". That's what it's all about here. It's never "easy" to find Divine touch. Astrologically speaking. I have Jupiter in the 9th in Sag at 9 Degrees, and I was born on 9-Navami. So with all this Ninth, how DARE YOU QUESTION my link to God! I'm kidding. But seriously, astrologically speaking, shouldn't I have something in that area? Hey Mark, Love Ya Brother! ps: This was fun! Ask me another question. :-) Peace Raghu Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 Das Goravani wrote: > > Mark said: > > I am wondering do you have any kind of experience about transcendental > consciousness?! > > The answer is flatly no. My life is wholly mundane and I wallow in a > well of sensual addiction without a trace of light. I have never met > anyone holy, divine, transcendental. I don't believe in it and I'm > probably going to hell. Dear friends, Dasji´s letter may sound like cold water. As an undergraduate I had a great Principal (Dean, President or whatever you call the head of the college). a scotsman, who was decorated with the Order of the British empire. he had an open house, any student could go to to him for help and advice at any time. But he had "open" afternoons, when one could have tea with him and discuss things. I was frequently there. We received deep insights into philosophy and English literature from him. But my subjects were Maths, physics and chemistry - about which he rarely spoke. I learned from him him wonderful things, but our contact - like father and son - did not help me in any way to pass my exams. I had to learn my subjects! Meeting an avatar, finding a guru, is like that! The teacher is a matter of luck. The student has to learn what he has to learn. Guru devo bhavah! Treat your teacher as God! Yes, but realize that it is God who is the guru, through the teacher! Rama, Krishna, Chaitanya, Sankara, Ramanuja, Sai Baba, Ammachi, Meera ..... they are all only "slave computers"! The Master is Parabrahman, the Immortal, whereas all avatars are mortal! Avatars show us how to live, help us to understand if we cannot think, but the ultimate goal is Parabrahman. Thanks Raghu, for candid letter! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 gjlist , Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: >>Astrologically speaking. I have Jupiter in the 9th in Sag at 9 >>Degrees, and I was born on 9-Navami. So with all this Ninth, how >>DARE YOU QUESTION my link to God! I'm kidding. I didn´t question it - i just made an question. ;.) >>But seriously, astrologically speaking, shouldn't I have something >>in that area? How about that: February 20th, 1969, 10:25 AM, Kuopio (62n54, 27e41). Divinely experienced? >>Hey Mark, Love Ya Brother! Yes, also females too. >>ps: This was fun! Ask me another question. :-) Have you met mr. Tapani Vaulasto from Finland? Om Graha Shantih Between All Of Us. Regards, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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