Guest guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Hello, Karma and Astrology: Of course, the entire chart IS karma and new karma are created all the time. Reincarnation is accepted as basic thing in astrology, but does there any tools to clear that; previous and coming reincarnations? Also questions about castes. Of course, castes (over 3000) in India is purely an societyphaenomenon (Jati), but it´s origins are in " Varnas" (colour),which comes from Rigveda. Also in astrology are spoken about castes. Does astrology tells individual´s caste? how? Regards, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Mark wrote: > Hello, > > Karma and Astrology: Of course, the entire chart IS karma and new > karma are created all the time. Reincarnation is accepted as basic > thing in astrology, but does there any tools to clear that; previous > and coming reincarnations? > > Also questions about castes. Of course, castes (over 3000) in India > is purely an societyphaenomenon (Jati), but it´s origins are in " > Varnas" (colour),which comes from Rigveda. Also in astrology are > spoken about castes. Does astrology tells individual´s caste? how? Dear Mark, Here my NON_AUTHORITATIVE BUT WELL-FOUNDED OPINION!: Anyone who claims that it is possible to see the previous or future incarnation(s) - no matter which sage or sutras are cited - is walking on very very thin ice indeed! This brings in the totally occult, channeling etc., the interpretation of which is very subjective to the attitudes AND ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE of the "seer". trusting in such things is the limit of superstition and gullibility! Karma is not a fixed sequence, but a process of development. It is like semesters at the university, having finished one, it is likely that one goes to the next level. But nobody forces one to do this; a semester in medicine could be followed up with one in mathematics! One can have positive experiences in one life, followed by negative ones in another, or the other way around. In both cases there is a lesson to be learnt, which, if not learnt, leads to a re-birth to learn that lesson. The CAUSALITY is not personal, but cosmic: the errors of every individual cause ripples that affect all, and have to be corrected (stilled) by all - and God! The future is a tendency, not a certainty, except that a certain goal is striven for, which will be reached ultimately. the next birth is thus a matter of pure speculation. Karma is NOT sin and punishment, BUT PURPOSE! It makes sense to find out our purpose in this life and try to fulfill it to the best of our ability. There is no sense in trying to dig up past births except in in psychiatry, where previous tramatic experiences may cause anxieties or restrictions 9n the present life! here regression therapy is better than astrology! CASTE: You are right, caste was colour. The castes were guilds of profession, like unions. Each had its flag or colour. Birth did not determine the caste, but the profession. Mwmbers of the same family belonged to different castes, depending on the profession. The idea of fixed castes arose because children usually adopted the profession of the father! The idea of Brahmin caste being a privileged birth is a false interpretation of the situation. Those who pursued intellectual and religious professions were called Brahmins. As such they enjoyed the respect of the community. further, the vedic Kings supported such learning with grants, so that "Brahmins" could serve the community wsithout having to do labour to earn a living. As such they were "privileged"! Being the child of a brahmin father gave the child an advantage, the probability of getting an intellectual and religious education right from childhood. In other words: finding a four-leaf clover does not bring luck; but it needs luck to find a four-leaf clover! One who finds it is "lucky"! Regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Dear Mani, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on reincarnation, karma, castes.. It is so well written and wise, that I will certainly save your posting. I "feel" that "karma is a purpose" not punishment or sin, as you said. You also mentioned a psychiatry, in the context that is not quite clear to me (I have 15 years experience in psychotherapy)- when traumatic events from the past (lives?) adversely affect present functioning. I've been in Western astrology for a decade, and, due to some, my own, "intolerable" life circumstances, lots of pain and all sort of adversities, I found vedic astrology, and I am studying it now. The more insight I gain, the less I believe in "depth" psychoanalysis...All other approaches deal with current life traumatic or just specific, I would say, experiences that 'cause" (as is believed) problems in one person's current life. Regression therapy is usually not performed by official psychotherapist.. I do believe in Karma, but it puts me in a position of helplessness, that's how I feel.. I would like to know what you think about suicide- if, say, I am too exhausted, for whatever reasons, and decide to commit suicide- isn't that also part of karma- not a sin, therefore(as I was thought in my religious family- being religious myself, by the way). Is that indicated in natal chart somehow? If we say that suicide indicates luck of faith, trust in God, that implies that it is a sin- doesn't it? Thanks, Mani! An - subra gjlist Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:53 AM Re: [gjlist] Karma, reincarnation and castes. Mark wrote: > Hello, > > Karma and Astrology: Of course, the entire chart IS karma and new > karma are created all the time. Reincarnation is accepted as basic > thing in astrology, but does there any tools to clear that; previous > and coming reincarnations? > > Also questions about castes. Of course, castes (over 3000) in India > is purely an societyphaenomenon (Jati), but it´s origins are in " > Varnas" (colour),which comes from Rigveda. Also in astrology are > spoken about castes. Does astrology tells individual´s caste? how? Dear Mark, Here my NON_AUTHORITATIVE BUT WELL-FOUNDED OPINION!: Anyone who claims that it is possible to see the previous or future incarnation(s) - no matter which sage or sutras are cited - is walking on very very thin ice indeed! This brings in the totally occult, channeling etc., the interpretation of which is very subjective to the attitudes AND ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE of the "seer". trusting in such things is the limit of superstition and gullibility! Karma is not a fixed sequence, but a process of development. It is like semesters at the university, having finished one, it is likely that one goes to the next level. But nobody forces one to do this; a semester in medicine could be followed up with one in mathematics! One can have positive experiences in one life, followed by negative ones in another, or the other way around. In both cases there is a lesson to be learnt, which, if not learnt, leads to a re-birth to learn that lesson. The CAUSALITY is not personal, but cosmic: the errors of every individual cause ripples that affect all, and have to be corrected (stilled) by all - and God! The future is a tendency, not a certainty, except that a certain goal is striven for, which will be reached ultimately. the next birth is thus a matter of pure speculation. Karma is NOT sin and punishment, BUT PURPOSE! It makes sense to find out our purpose in this life and try to fulfill it to the best of our ability. There is no sense in trying to dig up past births except in in psychiatry, where previous tramatic experiences may cause anxieties or restrictions 9n the present life! here regression therapy is better than astrology! CASTE: You are right, caste was colour. The castes were guilds of profession, like unions. Each had its flag or colour. Birth did not determine the caste, but the profession. Mwmbers of the same family belonged to different castes, depending on the profession. The idea of fixed castes arose because children usually adopted the profession of the father! The idea of Brahmin caste being a privileged birth is a false interpretation of the situation. Those who pursued intellectual and religious professions were called Brahmins. As such they enjoyed the respect of the community. further, the vedic Kings supported such learning with grants, so that "Brahmins" could serve the community wsithout having to do labour to earn a living. As such they were "privileged"! Being the child of a brahmin father gave the child an advantage, the probability of getting an intellectual and religious education right from childhood. In other words: finding a four-leaf clover does not bring luck; but it needs luck to find a four-leaf clover! One who finds it is "lucky"! Regards Mani gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2001 Report Share Posted January 3, 2001 gjlist , subra@t... wrote: > Dear Mark, > > Here my NON_AUTHORITATIVE BUT WELL-FOUNDED OPINION!: > > Anyone who claims that it is possible to see the previous or > future incarnation(s) - no matter which sage or sutras are cited - > is walking on Hi, Yes, i know what you want to say. Myself, i´ve studied quite a lot of religions and philosphies and have many thoughts about his subject, which i´ve wrote to finninsh postlists - it´s easier cos i´m finn! Yes, but as i wished, to have some opinions to astrology: and i don´t need such a thoughts like "your 12th cusp is your´s previous life´s ascendant" and so on, but more cultivate thoughts based on traditions. Regards, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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