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Hello,

 

Karma and Astrology: Of course, the entire chart IS karma and new

karma are created all the time. Reincarnation is accepted as basic

thing in astrology, but does there any tools to clear that; previous

and coming reincarnations?

 

Also questions about castes. Of course, castes (over 3000) in India

is purely an societyphaenomenon (Jati), but it´s origins are in "

Varnas" (colour),which comes from Rigveda. Also in astrology are

spoken about castes. Does astrology tells individual´s caste? how?

 

Regards,

 

Mark

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Mark wrote:

> Hello,

>

> Karma and Astrology: Of course, the entire chart IS karma and new

> karma are created all the time. Reincarnation is accepted as basic

> thing in astrology, but does there any tools to clear that; previous

> and coming reincarnations?

>

> Also questions about castes. Of course, castes (over 3000) in India

> is purely an societyphaenomenon (Jati), but it´s origins are in "

> Varnas" (colour),which comes from Rigveda. Also in astrology are

> spoken about castes. Does astrology tells individual´s caste? how?

 

Dear Mark,

 

Here my NON_AUTHORITATIVE BUT WELL-FOUNDED OPINION!:

 

Anyone who claims that it is possible to see the previous or

future incarnation(s) - no matter which sage or sutras are cited - is walking on

very very thin ice indeed! This brings in the totally occult, channeling etc.,

the interpretation of which is very subjective to the attitudes AND ACTUAL

KNOWLEDGE of the "seer". trusting in such things is the limit of superstition

and gullibility!

 

Karma is not a fixed sequence, but a process of development. It is like

semesters at the university, having finished one, it is likely that one goes to

the next level. But nobody forces one to do this; a semester in medicine could

be followed up with one in mathematics! One can have positive experiences in one

life, followed by negative ones in another, or the other way around. In both

cases there is a lesson to be learnt, which, if not learnt, leads to a re-birth

to learn that lesson. The CAUSALITY is not personal, but cosmic: the errors of

every individual cause ripples that affect all, and have to be corrected

(stilled) by all - and God!

 

The future is a tendency, not a certainty, except that a certain goal is striven

for, which will be reached ultimately. the next birth is thus a matter of pure

speculation.

 

Karma is NOT sin and punishment, BUT PURPOSE!

 

It makes sense to find out our purpose in this life and try to fulfill it to the

best of our ability. There is no sense in trying to dig up past births except in

in psychiatry, where previous tramatic experiences may cause anxieties or

restrictions 9n the present life! here regression therapy is better than

astrology!

 

CASTE:

You are right, caste was colour. The castes were guilds of profession, like

unions. Each had its flag or colour. Birth did not determine the caste, but the

profession. Mwmbers of the same family belonged to different castes, depending

on the profession. The idea of fixed castes arose because children usually

adopted the profession of the father!

 

The idea of Brahmin caste being a privileged birth is a false interpretation of

the situation. Those who pursued intellectual and religious professions were

called Brahmins. As such they enjoyed the respect of the community. further, the

vedic Kings supported such learning with grants, so that "Brahmins" could serve

the community wsithout having to do labour to earn a living. As such they were

"privileged"! Being the child of a brahmin father gave the child an advantage,

the probability of getting an intellectual and religious education right from

childhood.

 

In other words: finding a four-leaf clover does not bring luck; but it needs

luck to find a four-leaf clover! One who finds it is "lucky"!

 

Regards

Mani

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Dear Mani,

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on reincarnation, karma, castes.. It is so well

written and wise, that I will certainly save your posting. I "feel" that "karma

is a purpose" not punishment or sin, as you said.

 

You also mentioned a psychiatry, in the context that is not quite clear to me (I

have 15 years experience in psychotherapy)- when traumatic events from the past

(lives?) adversely affect present functioning. I've been in Western astrology

for a decade, and, due to some, my own, "intolerable" life circumstances, lots

of pain and all sort of adversities, I found vedic astrology, and I am studying

it now. The more insight I gain, the less I believe in "depth"

psychoanalysis...All other approaches deal with current life traumatic or just

specific, I would say, experiences that 'cause" (as is believed) problems in one

person's current life. Regression therapy is usually not performed by official

psychotherapist.. I do believe in Karma, but it puts me in a position of

helplessness, that's how I feel..

 

I would like to know what you think about suicide- if, say, I am too exhausted,

for whatever reasons, and decide to commit suicide- isn't that also part of

karma- not a sin, therefore(as I was thought in my religious family- being

religious myself, by the way). Is that indicated in natal chart somehow? If we

say that suicide indicates

luck of faith, trust in God, that implies that it is a sin- doesn't it?

 

Thanks, Mani!

An

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subra

gjlist

Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:53 AM

Re: [gjlist] Karma, reincarnation and castes.

 

 

Mark wrote:

> Hello,

>

> Karma and Astrology: Of course, the entire chart IS karma and new

> karma are created all the time. Reincarnation is accepted as basic

> thing in astrology, but does there any tools to clear that; previous

> and coming reincarnations?

>

> Also questions about castes. Of course, castes (over 3000) in India

> is purely an societyphaenomenon (Jati), but it´s origins are in "

> Varnas" (colour),which comes from Rigveda. Also in astrology are

> spoken about castes. Does astrology tells individual´s caste? how?

 

Dear Mark,

 

Here my NON_AUTHORITATIVE BUT WELL-FOUNDED OPINION!:

 

Anyone who claims that it is possible to see the previous or

future incarnation(s) - no matter which sage or sutras are cited - is walking

on

very very thin ice indeed! This brings in the totally occult, channeling

etc.,

the interpretation of which is very subjective to the attitudes AND ACTUAL

KNOWLEDGE of the "seer". trusting in such things is the limit of superstition

and gullibility!

 

Karma is not a fixed sequence, but a process of development. It is like

semesters at the university, having finished one, it is likely that one goes

to

the next level. But nobody forces one to do this; a semester in medicine could

be followed up with one in mathematics! One can have positive experiences in

one

life, followed by negative ones in another, or the other way around. In both

cases there is a lesson to be learnt, which, if not learnt, leads to a

re-birth

to learn that lesson. The CAUSALITY is not personal, but cosmic: the errors of

every individual cause ripples that affect all, and have to be corrected

(stilled) by all - and God!

 

The future is a tendency, not a certainty, except that a certain goal is

striven

for, which will be reached ultimately. the next birth is thus a matter of pure

speculation.

 

Karma is NOT sin and punishment, BUT PURPOSE!

 

It makes sense to find out our purpose in this life and try to fulfill it to

the

best of our ability. There is no sense in trying to dig up past births except

in

in psychiatry, where previous tramatic experiences may cause anxieties or

restrictions 9n the present life! here regression therapy is better than

astrology!

 

CASTE:

You are right, caste was colour. The castes were guilds of profession, like

unions. Each had its flag or colour. Birth did not determine the caste, but

the

profession. Mwmbers of the same family belonged to different castes, depending

on the profession. The idea of fixed castes arose because children usually

adopted the profession of the father!

 

The idea of Brahmin caste being a privileged birth is a false interpretation

of

the situation. Those who pursued intellectual and religious professions were

called Brahmins. As such they enjoyed the respect of the community. further,

the

vedic Kings supported such learning with grants, so that "Brahmins" could

serve

the community wsithout having to do labour to earn a living. As such they were

"privileged"! Being the child of a brahmin father gave the child an

advantage,

the probability of getting an intellectual and religious education right from

childhood.

 

In other words: finding a four-leaf clover does not bring luck; but it needs

luck to find a four-leaf clover! One who finds it is "lucky"!

 

Regards

Mani

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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gjlist , subra@t... wrote:

> Dear Mark,

>

> Here my NON_AUTHORITATIVE BUT WELL-FOUNDED OPINION!:

>

> Anyone who claims that it is possible to see the previous or

> future incarnation(s) - no matter which sage or sutras are cited -

> is walking on

 

Hi,

 

Yes, i know what you want to say. Myself, i´ve studied quite a lot of

religions and philosphies and have many thoughts about his subject,

which i´ve wrote to finninsh postlists - it´s easier cos i´m finn!

Yes, but as i wished, to have some opinions to astrology: and i don´t

need such a thoughts like "your 12th cusp is your´s previous life´s

ascendant" and so on, but more cultivate thoughts based on traditions.

 

Regards, Mark

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