Life IS a sit-com!~!!Just ask the Saints!

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Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

 

Namaste Mani and all the dear ones!!!

 

Thank you Mani for your wonderful sense of humour!!!...it definitely

is a big help.....i'm sorry if my letter came off a little on the

humourless in reference to the connections with Saints and between

them...i wasn't so much trying to offend you (and am glad to see i

didn't!!!)as to point out that YOU seemed to have missed the point in

what i was trying to convey.

 

Of course unlike you, i had not compared my chart with all the famous

saints and sinners that i admired and felt an affinity with....it

didn't seem important at the time...and now i feel that it may

actually slightly have confused the issue for you...since now you see

that so many people appear to be "related" to you.....(and maybe they

ARE...."Everyone has been your Mother...!"

 

what i was trying to get across, was not that just because we are

"related" in a "family" or Ghotra sort of way with a particular

parampara...or collection of related paramparas...that we are

therefore more "Holy"...and that those halos will be adorning our

saintly heads...threatening to garrotte us if we should slip....(that

was a good "riposte", dear friend!!!)

 

What i was trying to do was to help to instill some deeper faith in

our Gurus, and in our Ishtadevatas....those of us who are interested

in such beings......because i had become aware that we CAN discover

these correlations between us...it does not make me any

holier-than-thou to realise that i am in Amma's family...that She is

plainly not only my Ishta Devata in the form of Mother Kali, but also

my Guru...and to see all this laid out in the charts...both mine and

the Guru's, actually was more of a confirmation for me, since Amma

had plainly said so, Herself.......and then to see such close

connections between my Amma and Paramahansa Yogananda, and Sri

Ramakrsna..(Both of Whom i have felt strongly connected with

already...and Who had led me to my Amma)...this was

awe-inspiring....not ego-inflating....it gives one a broader

perspective of what's happening here in the playhouse, wherein the

sit-com of life is being enacted every day....it actually allows a bit

MORE humour into the scheme of things in my view....

 

My last letter was so strongly put, because i felt that you were

entirely missing the point, and were merely poking fun at what i had

brought forward for the list members to contemplate....this i felt,

would discourage any further investigation or meaningful dialogue...in

short...dear friend....you had apparently Shut the door in my

face...metaphorically speaking...so out came the sword..of

"discrimination"....WHACK!!!!

 

it's true that even after seeing all these connections, one doesn't

sprout a halo....but that was not my purpose...When we feel so deeply

and familiarly connected with such a lineage...i believe that it

deepens our faith in the Divine...as we can SEE the workings of the

Divine thru the lens of Jyotish, thru Bhakti, Jnana, Seva, and so

on....not to mention the Leelas of our Gurus and Beloved Deities....

i feel that it merely adds a lot more Zest to the cake...and also

settles the issue much more firmly in the doubting monkey mind....one

can just go and LOOK at what the "stars say"....and that old doubter

is left busy with new routines...checking out just what they seem to

say...it's a good way to redirect that monkey from less profitable

pursuits...such as worrying about day to day affairs....this exalts

the being by helping to bring one a little closer to the Divine...as

one is contemplating the Divine Leelas of the Creation....

 

to me it's the flavour in the soup...the zest...and without these

connections, whether consciousless realised or not, we do indeed have

a flavourless broth...perhaps THAT is the problem...not enough

understanding of the connections.

 

i feel that whatever connections with the Divine that we can nurture

and grow within are good to pursue....they can only lead to more

light, and love, and compassion, as we seek to become ever more

Adorable, merging in the Sacred Om....

 

others may not have thought much of it, but when my Amma said, the

first time i met Her (to the whole assembly), that everyone in the

hall had been with Her before....to me that was a wonderful spice to

add to the soup!!!my mental tongue has tasted that spice ever

since...and it has been reassurring in times of distress....

in the same way to perceive the cosmic relationships of Our Gurus and

Ishtadevatas as revealed thru the Sadhana of Jyotish is in reality

a great aid to the sadhak...no, the haloes will not suddenly sprout,

but it may inspire the person to persevere thru more difficult trials

if he knows himself in many different ways to be related deeply with

his Guru or Ishtadevata....it removes it a little from the speculative

and puts it into the "realised" category...just as when we burn our

hand on the stove....no one has to tell us to stay away any more...we

just know...

 

i submit that these researches CAN aid one in learning his true

relationship with the world, with his Guru, and with the Divine...

although admittedly this is basically all fodder for the Mind...and

that the Mind is an imperfect instrument...and that for real

perception of truth, this Mind needs to take a break...still since

this mind is going to be busy anyways, let's give it something

positive to do!!!

 

Thank you dear friend for the lively debate!!

 

In the Divine Mother's Love

and in Her service,

this little one

salutes you all

bowing again and again!

 

as ever,

Your Own Self

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!!

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Dear KV,

 

Thank you for your understanding letter. We are both - perhaps all of us on the

list too - alike, yet different!

I see your research as an excellent pursuit and hope you will finally formulate

a thesis as to when, where and how a person can find enlightenment actively and

not "miss" the chance through neglect of the opportunity.

 

Amma´s statement that all present had been with her previously is not

"surprising" at all! All humanity has been with her, before the separation

took place! In the Bible, in the Book Of Job, God asks Job "Where were you when

I created these things?" This is falsely understood as a belttling chiding. It

meant rhetorically, "Have you forgotten that you were with me as WE created

these things?"

 

None of us is an entity. We are only partial bits of much larger entities, the

real children of the Creatrix, divided to gather experience simultaneously and

reunite as Megsa-souls, large enough to be palpable in the infinity of space and

time! We were all with God once.

 

The search for a Guru or Ishtadevata is an individual matter for us as human

"bit" beings. I learn my lessons from nature. When, as a boy, I heard of the

tremendous energy that was released by splitting an atom - from a colleague of

Einstein - my questions were, "How did that much energy get packed into an atom?

Who managed to do this?"

 

My automobile requires gasoline, luboil, cooling water plus anti-frost, brake

fluid, water for the wipers, distilled water for the battery. When the tyres get

worn I have to get new ones. Can I fill my tank with a mixture of gasoline,

brake fluid, cooling water, anti-frost, plain water, distilled water and liquid

rubber and hope that all goes well? But I throw into ONE hole, my mouth, all

sorts of things including junk from MacDonalds and food supplements - and the

body thrives, each organ takes what it needs!

 

There are so many electric circuits in the body. Yet none of them is

"electrically" insulated from one another. But no short-circuit occurs, the

current flows as planned! The fuse does not blow!

 

Take a ton of earth to a lab, supply enough water, flood-lights and fans and

say, "Make me a pear tree!" The best scientist cannot fulfill your wish, but a

tiny seed from a pear can!

 

>From the tiniest bacteria or amoeba to the giant whale, everything that exists

is a wonder, a testimony for the Supreme Being! "Go to the ant!" said Solomon...

and if I study the life of the ant, I learn all I need to know: the hope, the

self-sacrificing and tremendous effort for the good of the community, without

any real reward but more toil .... Do I need a better guru or devatha?

 

I am not in any way disputing or questioning your devotion to the Great Mother

as Ammachi. She is there now, but has always been there in some incarnation or

other. She needs us, for otherwise she would not have created us at all! Our

purpose is to understand how much we need Her!... Who has to understand that we

need Her, the guru or the disciple? It is the disciple who has to understand. In

days of yore, when everything was taught by word of mouth, a guru was

indispensable. But today we have enough literature, enough examples. We can read

and think.. and think deeper and deeper.

 

We don´t need a guru to teach us philosophy or how to behave. We need them to

learn certain esoteric practices and attain "siddhis". But frankly I am not

interested in any siddhi, do not want to levitate or create objects or

bilocate etc. What I need is devotion and that must come from myself, cannot be

thrust into me. But the moment I acknowledge that a saint is a saint, that

devotion is in me - otherwise I would not have admired the saint!

 

But again, devotion alone as pure admiration is not enough. We have to strive to

live up to the ideals. Here a very close guru could help, admonishing us every

day. But is that good, being trained and forced to be virtuous? is the guru a

mentor - or a crutch??!!

 

Saints are there to convert non-believers. Believers are their own teachers!

WHICH DOES NOT PREVENT THEM FROM ADORING THE SAINTS!

 

This is only to clarify my attitude to "religion", not meant to be a sermon!

 

Regards

Mani