Halos over Mani's head...

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Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

 

Namaste dear Mani....

 

you mean you can't see that halo around your head???...but of course

no saint will ever see the halo around his own head...he will only

think himself to be the greatest of sinners.....

 

in my letter i was not trying to make anyone "feel good" by siting

connections between certain saints...

 

Actually i was exploring the possibilities that there are certain

"families" of traditions in this world...and that you may be able to

see some correlations of this in comparing their charts...just as you

can see interesting correlations between yourself and your wife...and

your kids....correlations which are indeed obvious....and i believe

that my thesis is correct and is shown by the chart comparisons i have

done so far......

 

i submit that you CAN see these things in charts...and that useful

information may be extracted from such analysis....to have you so

casually dismiss it, suggests to me that you have not REALLY looked at

the charts which i sent you...because if you compare them honestly,

knowing about Atmakarakas, and Ishtadevatas and such and using the

Mahasamadhi chart for Sri Ramakrsna, you wouldn't be able to be so

flippant about it all.....Especially try to check out the Mahasamadhi

chart BETWEEN Sri Ramakrsna's and Amma's Natal charts, and then

check Sri Ramakrsna's NAVAMSHA (often used to peer into the

future life) and compare it with AMMA's Natal chart...if you don't

see a relationship there, you need glasses....

 

Comparing our charts with the saints is not to make us feel good, but

if we compare them with our own GURU'S Chart (which you do not believe

in as i understand...) and if we compare the days and times of meeting

these great souls both with our own charts and the charts of the great

soul, we WILL see interesting transits happening....to just casually

dismiss it all as imagination is going too far....

 

i submit that the chart relationships between the great souls in our

lives and ourselves will reveal the kind of relationships we have with

them...if you look for Ishtadevata, in my case you will find that the

charts confluently point very strongly at AMMA. if you look for the

Guru using several different techniques, in my case, you will find

that they ALL point at AMMA as my Guru...to deny this you must not be

looking....because it's as obvious as the nose on my face....just

following classical Jyotish methods...the same work very well, and

LITERALLY for many of Amma's Devotees...Just because you are not a

Devotee in that way, you should not put down other's relationships

with Her....and in fact dear Mani when i did an analysis of your chart

by the same means....they also point very strongly to AMMA....Whether

you believe this or not i really don't care...but i can SEE it....

 

my little story about the Christmas star was not meant to be taken

literally so much as a musing on the wonder of the strange

Astrological events occurring just at Christmas this year at the turn

of the millenium...my apologies for my impreciseness...i am not an

engineer...but more a poet....and i was originally writing that letter

for my Amma Group....so it may not be perfect Jyotishly speaking...

 

i feel that you have not really given the information i gave you

the serious thought that i had hoped you would, but have rather just

dashed off your negative reaction to it....

 

i think that we CAN see these relationships in JYotish...we CAN see

when certain events happen...we can see (at least) the interesting

transits that happened when we met our SatGuru....and if we have an

open mind we can learn a great deal....Why do you think we learn

jyotish...what are the Mahadashas, the transits and such for???

TO INDICATE LIFE EVENTS AND THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN ONE'S LIFE....

 

IS NOT ONE'S ISHTADEVATA AN IMPORTANT PERSON IN ONE'S LIFE?

IS NOT THE SAT GURU AN IMPORTANT PERSON IN ONE'S LIFE????.....AT LEAST

AS IMPORTANT AS YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN AND JOB!!!!!

 

In the Divine Mother's Love

and in Her Service

i humbly salute you!

 

as ever,

Your Own Self!!

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

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visvanathan wrote:

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

>

> Namaste dear Mani....

 

> in my letter i was not trying to make anyone "feel good" by siting

> connections between certain saints...

 

My dear KV,

 

Your letter reminds me of a story told by Woody allen:

A guy goes to a friend and asks if would like to go hunting with him. The friend

answers, "I´m game!". So the guy promptly shoots him dead!

 

You seem to have missed the meaning of my letter. Your research about the

various connections between the saints and events is certainly interesting and

well worth studying. They bring out a lot of "karmic" interaction and can have a

predictive value too, if a final analysis is made, after your research.

 

I only expressed my own feelings when I see all the amazing contacts in my chart

with so many great souls - all of whom I admire - but am myself so "small"! I

ask myself, "the ingredients seem to be right, but why does the soup taste so

insipid?"... If I do not treat this situation with humour, how else can I bear

it?

 

My words about the star etc. were not meant to snub you at all! During the last

200 years scientists and later theologians have tried to find "scientific" and

"historical" explanations for the gospels - and generally concluded that they

were "fairy tales" created by a few fanatics. The chief objections raised to

contradict the gospels were:

- angels talking to people

- virgin motherhood

- performance of miracles

- lack of historical records for various things.

 

Most of these objections are no longer valid. But the last one is a difficult

one to refute, unless one sees the events in proper perspective, does not look

for records that cannot exist or would have been erased deliberately. For

example the slaughter of all new born babes in Bethlehem meant perhaps a dozen

cases only and WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RECORDED : all the murders perpetrated by

Herod were done secretly, for he had no right to kill any "Roman citizen" except

with the permission of Pilate, the Roman governor! Another example: the

crucifixion was a State Murder, even pilate felt it was illegal. All records

would have, if at all kept, have disappeared when Pilate was impeached later for

illegal acts. It happens today too: a secretary of state is accused of

irregularities and somehow all files relating to the event manage to

disappear!!!

 

One of the difficult events is the Star of Bethlehem. At least two astronomers

have written books to explain this strange phenomenon. Both have got some

details right, like the conjunction you have mentioned. But both have tried to

find the Star of B. and naturally failed! It was invisible to the common people

and could not have been recorded. That was all I was saying - to restore faith

in the story, not to banalize it.

 

I may sound flippant at times. Faith in God may remove my fear of death, but

only humour keeps me going and prevents my seeking death before my time!

 

Here two stories:

A great poet and humorist in my land, called Raman, is supposed to have received

his poetic talent from Mother Durga. He was the village wit. He spent a whole

night at a temple, praying to Durga. The night was cold and he caught a chill,

by dawn his nose was running like the Ganges. Then suddenly Durga appeared to

him, in her ten-headed form. Raman, instead of falling at her feet, fell into a

fit of laughter. When he had regained control of himself, Durga asked him why he

had laughed so much. He answered, "This night I have caught a cold and am having

hell with my one nose. I couldn´t help imagining how it´ll be for you, if you

caught a cold, with your ten noses!" Durga laughed her guts out and gave him

poetic talent as a boon for having made her laugh.

 

 

A dream I had:

I was at the gates of heaven, a huge crowd of angels, with trumpets, harps and

flutes etc. were standing outside with mournful faces. The gates were shut and a

sign saying "NO ENTRY" hung on it. I asked what had happened. One of them said,

"We were singing hymns as usual, when HE suddenly got up, told us to get out and

shut the gates behind us! He then said we we were awfully boring with our

perpetual chants." Suddenly a small angel started giggling, and said, "We´ve

been singing all these years and thought He enjoyed it! Boy, were we dumb!" The

giggling caught on and soon all were laughing at themselves. There was a bang

and the gates flew open, the "no entry sign" was consumed in fire, a beautiful

voice called out "Come in all my children, for you have learned to laugh! I have

new teachers for you, learn from them!" I was allowed to join and saw the new

teachers: I knew all of them, they included Red Nichols, Louis Armstrong, Glenn

Miller, Gershwin, .... Charlie Chaplin ....Charles Dickens.....Mark Twain.....

 

Poetry and humour are the two horses that pull the chariot of the heart towards

faith and salvation. If one horse is missing, the goal is by-passed!

 

Please don´t take this as a personal criticism. God did not create us to sit

with us finally in Heaven in total solemn meditation, but to laugh and hug and

dance with us! If my Mother and I cannot laugh with each other, and AT EACH

OTHER, I´m not very keen about Moksha at all! ... Ammachi laughs most of the

time, her telling stories are full of wit .....

 

Deep Regards

Mani