Guest guest Posted December 27, 2000 Report Share Posted December 27, 2000 Does anyone have an opinion, does having strong Jupiter make a person think that being "needed" is "good" and "desirable" whereas many people who don't have this think that "being needed" by someone is generally an undesirable thing in life? Many people tell me that "being needed" is undesirable. I don't understand this position personally. (I'm speaking in terms of being in a spousal relationship). But then, I have a very strong and prominent Jupiter, the planet that likes to give, to give shelter, to support, and be needed, so I think. Any comments? Thanks, Raghu Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 Das Goravani wrote: > > Does anyone have an opinion, does having strong Jupiter make a person > think that being "needed" is "good" and "desirable" whereas many people > who don't have this think that "being needed" by someone is generally an > undesirable thing in life? > > Many people tell me that "being needed" is undesirable. I don't > understand this position personally. (I'm speaking in terms of being in > a spousal relationship). But then, I have a very strong and prominent > Jupiter, the planet that likes to give, to give shelter, to support, and > be needed, so I think. > > Any comments? Hi Raghu and all, This may be long and the astrology comes only at the very end! This is an astro-psychological "problem" especially in western/modern society. I frequently hear people complaining about being taken advantage of. My reply is usually, "This is may be annoying, but there is a far worse fate: when nobody makes any use of you and you find yourself totally superfluous!" The existence of family, community, society etc. is an innate necessity for us as essentially gregarious beings. Mutual giving and taking is not just a commercial matter, nor do these groups exist only for reasons of safety. We all need one another for intellectual and emotional communication. To say that being needed is undesirable is practically saying that one does not want to be a member of the group. Reducing this to individual and personal relationships - being "acutely" needed by a particular person - personal freedom and responsibility get strongly involved. A conflict between conscience and wishes can arise. If one feels compelled by conscience to give up all personal ambitions, freedom of movement etc. to look after an ailing or aged parent or wife etc. the desire "not to be needed" arises, if one is unable to accept the situation with resignation. This is particularly strong when there is NO bond of true affection between the two persons. I have a friend, 66, who is looking after his mother, 94, and is in this latter unhappy position. He cannot leave the home for more than a couple of hours. The mother is mostly in bed, mostly mentally "absent", but in the lucid moments extremely tyrannical. Refuses to accept any nurse to look after her, literally locks the door against everyone except my friend! The lady was never a very pleasant woman, all through life her relationship with her children was truce or battle, cordiality was conspicuously absent! My friend hates his present life, but feels that it is his Dharma to live with her. Actually it is a "Karma" problem. He has a retrograde Jupiter in virgo, a strong saturn in Aquarius. He has a great heart but cannot show his love. IMHO he is keeping his mother alive by NOT giving her affection. But to do so he will have to forgive and forget a great deal, which latter is not easy! especially when she still acts mean! If he could manage to show her affection, she would probably depart peacefully and give him his freedom! In man/woman and in parent/child relationships possessiveness and dependence are also frequently involved. "I cannot live without you! If you leave me I will die/shall take my life etc....." The person who says such things "needs" the other one "to be happy", but not, except in very rare circumstances, to keep alive! But this "blackmail" makes the victim wish that he or she were "not needed". In view of this, I am not sure that Jupiter is the key planet at all! Jupiter can certainly strengthen the desire to "give", but can also create the sense of "royal possessiveness", expect too much reciprocation of feeling. An expansive and extrovert Jupiter must find being needed quite nice, but other factors would play a greater part, I feel. Jupiter´s giving is not self-sacrificing, and that is the crux of the matter. The desire to be needed will, I think, be strong depending on the moon and venus. The desire to be less needed, I think, will depend on Mars and Sun (ambitions in life); Mercury and Rahu (freedom of movement); Saturn and Kethu (desire for seclusion)/(stinginess!). Here, being tied down by the need of another person can be a pain. The houses of loss, friendship, partnership and children will also affect one´s attitude. Thanks for reading! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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