[Jesus and charts of saints etc.

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visvanathan smedbol wrote:

 

> Interestingly enough, just as 2000 years ago, more or less, when

> there was a so called bright star in the east, which had been

> foreseen by the Magi...who were Jyotishis and could tell the orbits of

> the planets....there is tonight (and has been for several months) a

> closeness in the heavens between Sani and Guru....they are both in

 

Dear KV,

 

Around 2006 years ago there was a triple conjunction of saturn and jupiter -

both retrograded soon after the 1st overtaking of saturn by jupiter. This year

they retrograded too late for a 2nd and therefore inevitable 3rd conjunction.

The interval between such triple meetings can vary between 39 and some hundreds

of years.

 

This event most certainly told the professional astrologers - including the 3

(or 4, according to some traditions) - Magi, that a "great king" (=Messiah)

would be born, most likely in in Judea. BUT THIS WAS CERTAINLY NOT THE STAR OF

BRTHLEHEM! At their closest position the two planets were 1 degree apart = two

full moons would have just about bridged that distance! So they could have never

been "a bright star". Nor could their movement in any way have literally led

anyone to Bethlehem, and they could not have stood still over a single place on

earth. Even if one says, "standing still means being at the zenith at a

particular time - say midnight - the said body would have fulfilled this

condition every night at successive spots, so that the whole thing becomes

meaningless! Thus even a comet is out of the question.

 

There are only 2 possibilities:

 

1. It was a large space-ship, or

2. It was a heavenly "light", sent by divine power, BUT VISIBLE ONLY TO THE

MAGI, NOT TO ANYONE ELSE!

 

There are good grounds to believe that it was the latter! The whole nativity

story, as put together from the various sources besides the gospel according to

Luke, including the plastic visions of the various holy Theresas and Edgar

Cayce, is far from what is commonly accepted! I wrote at length on this subject

some days ago.

 

Since the "drama" was planned and carried out to keep the birth of Jesus a

secret, so that Herod would not know of the birth of a prince in the dynasty of

David, to the extent that the child was born in a "secret" cave and not in the

hometown or at a public inn, it would have been stupid to have a huge comet etc.

betraying the secret to all and sundry! THE STAR WAS VISIBLE ONLY TO A FEW

SELECTED AND TRUSTWORTHY SOULS! Any attempt to find astronomical evidence for

it is doomed to failure!

 

As for correspondences between one´s own chart and those of great souls: it

certainly gives us a great feeling. But it only means that we admire them and

they might have been nice to us. I have many interesting and strong contact

points with many saints and other great persons, but no matter how carefully I

look into the mirror, I fail to detect a halo over my head and see neither a

glorious aura nor a genius looking back at me!!! I´m either blind - OR AWARE OF

THE INESCAPABLE TRUTH! Actually hope it is the latter.

 

regards

Mani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Amma's birth nakshatra's place...in Krittika...and they are so

> close...that they are considered to be almost conjunct in

> Jyotish...just barely on the 7degree orb on maximum effect...so that

> would have produced a pretty bright double-star...a combination of

> GURU and SANI...GURU and MahaKali.....in Krittika...

> As well dear ones, Sun Moon, Mercury and Ketu are all in

> Sagittarius...and Sun, Moon, and Mercury (!!!!) are all in Mula...the

> "roots"...the Nakshatra which points from here to the Galactic

> centre...from which, as far as i understand it, comes the Divine

> Will.....thru Mula as a lens to the Solar system...and us...Sun,

> Moon, and Mercury in Mula...that's amazing...on Christmas Eve...and

> there will be a new moon tomorrow, just after the solstice the other

> day,as well as a partial solar eclipse (i think it's solar...not too

> sure tho....but since Ketu is in there like a dirty shirt...it's

> probly a solar eclipse, as the moon slides past and between the earth

> and sun)...Pretty cosmic Christmas i'd say!!!what a strange

> "coincidence"....a little too eery isn't it?? ...Mother's at work.

> The reason i'm raving about Mula is because i've noticed in a

> very large percentage of Amma devotees (of the ones i've checked out),

> there is almost invariably a planet in MULA...or directly aspecting

> Mula, just as Amma's Jupiter (Guru) directly aspects Mula from 2deg

> 43min Gemini....

> for example i have Mercury (Amma's Atmakaraka) in Sagittarius in Mula

> at 7 deg 28 min...in my 12th. the Guru's home!!!

> There She is in Her own home!!and tonight She's back there, so to

> speak, with Mercury in Mula at 9 deg 33 min...sitting just about

> smack dab on my Mercury....maybe that's why i'm busy writing away...in

> the service of my Guru....doing Mercurial things for Her....giving

> away some of Her little "secrets" that She hid, so the Jyotishis could

> find and wonder........so right now, sun==soul, moon==emotional body,

> and Mecury==mind are all in Mula...connected with the centre of the

> Galaxy and the Divine Will..interesting...

>

> As per Bala's (a member of the Amma-list on hindunet) suggestion

> in a private letter, i took a little look at Amma's chart compared to

> Bhagavan Sri Ramakrsna Paramahamsadeva's (by the way DON'T use

> Goravani's "famous people's chart" for Bhagavan, because it's

> wrong... the wrong Lagna..and long/lat coordinates)....when you

> actually punch in the data and erect a new chart (not using the data

> Goravani has either cause it's not exactly right either), you get a

> chart like the one in David Frawley's Astrology of the Seers, Kumbha

> Lagna at 7degrees9min

> ..He said it was amazing and i'd agree emphatically!!!!...to put

> it shortly, it looks to me that Amma and Sri Ramakrsnadeva are very

> VERY STRONGLY connected...in fact from what little i saw, it looks

> like Sri Ramakrsna Paramahamsadeva may have reincarnated into Amma's

> body...

> He was seen by His beloved Consort, Sarada Devi, as an Avatara of

> the Mother Kali...He said he would be found in the north west in a

> wandering band of musicians...(like Bauls i guess)...and he'd be

> puffing a hookah...Amma is living in the SOUTH WEST...AND She has a

> travelling band of Musicians...the Swamis...no hookah tho...i think

> S/He was trying to put them off the chase..."They went thattaway!!!"

> ...pointing at 90degrees to the actual trajectory....."Ah....at least

>

> i'll get a little peace and quiet for a while...."

> After He entered Mahasamadhi on August 16th, 1886, Sri Sarada

> Devi lamented: "Ah Mother Kali!!You've Left me all alone!!! Where have

> you gone now!!!" Just as She was about to take off her gold bracelets

> and rip the red border off Her Sari, Sri Ramakrsna appeared to Her and

> asked Her what She was doing....She said that since he was dead, she

> was a widow, and widows don't wear gold bracelets or red borders on

> their saris....

> Bhagavan told Her to keep them on, because he was not dead but had

> gone only into the next room...so She left them on...Many people have

> thought that Amma and Sri Ramakrsna are one...and Sarada Devi

> too...(and you can see it in Amma's 108 Names, where those Two

> Sweethearts are referred to in 4 separate stanzas, as being One with

> Amma....)but since they are all Avataras of the Divine Mother, the

> Adi Para Sakti...that makes sense anyways.

> Still, i feel there is a "special" connection between Amma,

> Bhagavan Sri Ramakrsna Paramahamsadeva, and Paramahansa Yoganandaji

> ....and that connection is the Divine Mother Dakshineswari

>

> Bhavatarini Kali Ma....(which makes all of us Amma devotees, Yogananda

> Devotees, and Sri Ramakrsna devotees, to be one big "happy"

> family...).They all sought Her Grace...They all worshipped Her thru

> the same Murti...

> Amma even had the original family who carved the Bhavatarini Kali

> Murti for the Dakshineswari Kali Temple, to carve Her a new Murti of

> Bhavatarini Kali...So Dakshineswari Kali Ma, who was Sri Ramakrsna's

> Eternal Beloved, and whom Yogananda immortalised for the West in his

> Autobiography (See "The Heart of a Stone Image" and the section on

> his lessons with M...{Sri Ramakrsna's "biographer" in that he recorded

> the "Gospel of Sri Ramakrsna"}..), is now Lovingly ensconced on the

> Temple altar at Mother's ashram in Amritapuri (or is it

> Her(Dakshineswari Kali's) Sister?)...how many more clues do we need

> here?????

> As well, dear ones, when Amma visited Dakshineswar to pay Her

> respects to the Kali Temple and Sri Ramakrsna's room, She followed

> the exact same pathway (with out being told) that Sri Sarada Devi

> always used to take from Her room in the Nahabat to Her Consort's

> room....and the Kali Temple...

> ..At the time of Sri Ramakrsna's Mahasamadhi, Mercury Retrograde,

> Sun, and Rahu/Ketu axis were in Leo in his 7th ( killer

> house)....directly aspecting his Moon, Mercury, Lagna, and Sun....as

> well as the Moon placement for the day in 11deg15min Aquarius,

> conjunct with natal Moon, Mercury, Lagna and Sun...(for a death of

> about Midnight... i used 12:01 AM...Richard Schiffman in his book,

> "Sri Ramakrsna" says Bhagavan took Mahasamadhi just after midnight on

> August 16, 1886.)

> So it looks like (to me at least) that He took the "first

> Ketu/Rahu rocket outtahere", heading for that Retrograde Mecury (his

> Ishta Devata!!! his Beloved!!!)...(Amma's Atmakaraka)...in his 7th..

> You know what else is weird...also in Leo are Amma's Venus and Mars...

> Mars is Sri Ramakrsna's Atmakaraka...and Venus is Amma's Lord of the

> Ascendant....looks very suspicious to me....

> Also Venus on August 16 1886, was in Cancer in his 6th (enemies

> diseases and difficulties...and service to the body) directly

> aspecting His natal Mars (atmakaraka) (and it was a KETU/VENUS/

> JUPITER period....... Mars (Atmakaraka) was in His 9th House with

> natal Sani (Saturn) and Guru was transitting the 8th (a bad

> placement, especially with that Venus/Jupiter sub-period.)..not for

> the spirit but the body) and with Sun, Mercury and Rahu in the 7th (a

> killer house if i remember properly)....and Venus in the 6th house of

> deseases, and enemies...and difficulties...

> i think because Mercury is ruler of the 8th, She is not so good

> for the physical health of the body...so if She is retrograde with

> Rahu..and Sun..in the 7th...a good time to leave...it looks like

> Mahakala's calling card...."It's a set-up!"

> Also Saturn was conjunct with His natal Guru..(Jupiter)(wide

> orb)...and i understand that these kinds of transits can be

> challenging ...especially since Guru that day was also in His

> 8th...the house of death...if He left just after midnight...then the

> lagna would have been conjunct with His natal Ketu Rahu axis...on the

> Rahu side in Taurus.....AMMA'S BIRTHSTAR SIGN....AND Her Lagna in the

> Navamsha...

> Do they look connected or what......if one looks to those

> Rahu/Ketu placements in Sri Ramakrsna's natal chart and the chart

> for the time of passing, one can see them apparently POINTING at

> Amma!!! it's like the pieces of a puzzle all fitting together...

> (unless my imagination is running riot with me!)

> Also Sri Ramakrsna had natal Sani (Saturn) in Libra in his NINTH,

> the house of the Guru....and in Amma's chart one finds HER LAGNA, AND

> SANI...IN LIBRA....This blows my mind entirely....

> Amma's Rahu/Ketu axis goes thru 6deg36 Capricorn and 6deg36 Cancer

> just about exactly square to Sri Ramakrsna's.....and as Bala pointed

> out...they both have Guru in Gemini (His is just outside the exact

> Mula aspect)...Not only that but Sri Ramakrsna's natal Rahu in Taurus

> in the 4th (house of the Mother) at 2deg 53 Krittika is conjunct with

> Amma's natal MOON at 5deg 59 minutes Taurus in Krittika...so to

> interpret that....Bhagavan's Mother could be seen as Amma...or as

> Amma's Mother...(in other words Bhavatarini Kali Ma)...She and Amma

> are not different...or one might interpret it that in His future

> life, (Rahu) S/He would be embodied as Amma...

> As i understand it, the Navamsha can be looked to for clues as to

> the future life....(one of its uses)...and in David Frawley's

> "Astrology of the Seers" Sri Ramakrsna's Navamsha chart has His

> Lagna (Ascendant) in LIBRA...Amma's Lagna for Her birth!!!....Also

> the Rahu Ketu axis in the Navamsha is the same as in Amma's Rashi

> chart...thru Capricorn and Cancer, with Rahu in Capricorn

> ....HHHMMMMM!!!

>

> You know this is quite a strong connection these charts have...all

> over the place...i see them pointing from Bhagavan to Amma....i may

> be wrong, but that's what i see....i have also compared Paramahansa

> Yogananda's chart with Amma's (i used to be in SRF)...and it seems to

> me that they too, are very closely related by the charts, thru the

> placements of the Grahas...(and of course Yoganandaji's chart looks

> extremely harmoniously related to Amma's chart).

> However instead of boring you with more details i'll just close

> this for now...

>

> May that Divine Mother Who incarnates as all the Beings of the

> Universe, both small and large, moving and immovable, that Mother who

> is the Beauty of the Three Worlds...Tripura Sundari...May She bless

> us, Her children with Pure Love of Her Lotus Feet, and May She shower

> Her Grace abundantly upon us that we may live entirely according to

> Her Will....

>

> In Our Beloved Amma's

> Divine Love,

> and in Her Holy Service,

> this little one

> most humbly,

> lovingly,

> salutes you ,

> dear siblings,

> The Divine Mother's

> Own dear Children,

> May She lift us

> Lovingly up to Her Lap

> whereon to stay

> sleepy, content,

> full of Her

> Immortal Bliss....

>

> as ever

> my dear ones,

> Your Own Self,

>

> visvanathan

>

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!!

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