Chat

[Guest guest]

Namaste Ann + List members

 

<< I have no wish to pursue this thread, not that it is off topic, quite the

contrary, it has everything to do with Vedic Astrology, but the points to be

raised are so alien to some, that hostility may be the only outcome. >>

 

Vedic astrology is almost unlimited in its connections to different branches of

human activity. In 1981 a TV channel in Mexico City requested from me a project

relating weekly programes showing the links between vedic astrology to human

activity. I gave them a list for 52 series by following the abc. Linking vedic

astrology to agriculture, architecture, archeology, astronomy, biographies,

computers, demigods, medicine, numerology, palmistry, tarot, vocations, vedas

etc. They had done some good programes in the past but with western astrology &

they were very interested in vedic. For example, in about 1979-80 they showed

some programes linking some pyramides to the sunrise at the spring equinox and

giving a historical background. They sent a team, sound & film, to film early

in the morning. Mexicans loved it. Unfortunately due to personal committments

i could not wait for the answer & i had to go back to Europe before they gave me

the answer.

 

I think that we as vedic astrologers have a lot of responsabilities towards

humanity & i am sure that of 300 astrologers on this list we have 300 different

interests, ideas or projects. Vedic astrology is practically new in the west &

we are just starting to get together. We may have different opinions but

instead of being hostil we should be more constructive & co-operative. Yes, we

should talk when someone is out of order but we should be open minded without

prejudices or bias opinions. We have many nationalities on the list & what is

natural for some it may be repulsive to others but we are suppose to draw a

conclusion. Nietzche the German philosopher said that the concept of good and

bad is so diverse that it can change from country to country or from city to

city or even from person to person.

 

If we receive hostility to our postings, lets face the music & if we find that

we are out of order we should be grateful that someone told us so. I was

trained as an architec & learned to co-operate with everyone around me,

otherwise we cannot perform any project.

 

I am open to many aspects of knowledge & the Sarasvati civilization is very

interesting to me. We know a lot about Egypt mainly because the Freemasons have

been sponsoring the research to satisfy their philosophical interest related to

their schools of thought. We are interested in the source of vedic astrology

and the Sarasvati Empire can satisfy that interest. Unfortunately,

archeologists are not astrologers and therefore can not give us a proper view of

their findings. The transit of Pluto in Scorpio since 1993 has been giving a

new light to our past and ancestors when new archeological evidence is changing

our view of history. I am sure that in the next 5 years, before Pluto goes into

Sagittarius, we are going to have a more clear idea of the Sarasvati Empire.

 

We know from the Vedas that Maharaja Pariksit met Kali at the beginning of Kali

yuga some 5000 years ago, and since then humanity went into decline (comparing

with previous ages). At that time vedic astrology was in practice and the

Sarasvati Empire was alive. The more we know about that Empire, the more we

will understand vedic astrology.

 

You mention the Sarasvati Port, could you please tell me where is it? I am sure

that archeologists are finding a lot of artifacts, lets wait & see. We know

that people from Vrindavan, India used to worship Indra (Uranus) around 3227 BC

and Surya (the Sun), so archeological evidence should be found.

 

Regards

 

Natabara Das

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

natabara schrieb:

> Namaste Ann + List members

>

> << I have no wish to pursue this thread, not that it is off topic, quite the

> contrary, it has everything to do with Vedic Astrology, but the points to be

> raised are so alien to some, that hostility may be the only outcome. >>

>

> Vedic astrology is almost unlimited in its connections to different branches

> of human activity.

 

Dear List Members,

 

Hoping not to irritate Raghu Das, I am writing this during a lull period on the

list. I am NOT trying to preach, but only giving ideas to ponder over.

 

To start with, jyothish is a means of understanding ourselves and our connection

with our surroundings. In this sense the history of mankind is part of

jyothish.

 

But please let me digress for a moment. It is not good to be directed by ruts.

We are children of a GREAT INVENTOR (Or INVENTRESS, as I see HER) and He or She

expects us, the children, to be dscoverers and inventors. "Know thy self!" said

Sri Krishna. Kings established kingdoms, merchants establish little firms, some

establish factories. But ALL hope their children will EXPAND and IMPROVE what

they have grounded! Is the Creator different? In the Bible there is the story of

the merchant, his servants and the talents. The two servants who invested and

gained were rewarded, but the last, who buried the talent, never tried to make

more of it, went unrewarded!

 

We have a lot of "talents" given to us in the vedic literature. We must use

these talents, not "bury" them! As a child of 5 years I had a glorious vision

of God and He said to me: DO NOT FOLLOW TRADITION BUT SEEK ME WITH YOUR BRAINS!

It was couched in words that a child could follow, BUT it was - and is - a

tremendous burden! At that time it filled me with fear, I had to refuse to

accept the religious injunctions of my parents, refuse to take part in rituals

..... I was a rebel, a black sheep, afraid of punishment, but with a dedicated

purpose, to seek my beloved friend God as Ganesha, whom I had daily played with

but who had so abruptly vanished from my sight, on that great but terrible

morning as I had the vision!

 

I have often pleaded for a new approach to the vedic literature. To realize that

we have received only a fraction of that which was written or composed.

Thousands of works mentioned in the fragmentary lists of the libraries of

Nalanda and Taxila have not been found as yet. Most of the puranas we have are

very much shorter than than the lengths given in the lists. What we have, is

only the peak of the iceberg, what we do not have lies in oblivion.

 

Besides that, we may have a bit of junk as well! Not having enough

cross-references, we may have books that were condemned by the elite of those

days! In fact, I am sure of this: we are also being tested for our discernment!

"Ancient -holy -true" is NOT VIVEKA! God has made us Homo Sapiens Sapiens, so

that we recognize Him through our intellect, NOT by hearsay, not by abject trust

in the words of any guru, but by observation and understanding of the world.

 

Why do I believe in the Great Mother? As a scientist and engineer I can say

this: SHE is the greatest architect, engineer, scientist and artist I know! A

tiny seed grows to become a tree and bears delicious fruit. Who, given a cubic

foot of earth, a heater, a lamp and air can produce one plant... one blade of

grass? We have huge chemical "plants". A good name for the structure: every

little plant does what these man-made plants do - convert substances! Every bone

and muscle in a body is perfectly shaped for its function, no camera is better

than the eye, no hi-fi system is so good as the ear! Was all this "accidental"

evolution? Have a look at the angels and monsters in the microscopic world -

what beauty, what terror!

 

It is time we started reading the ancient texts and information with open eyes

and open mind! There are many things that sound absurd, do not fit "normal

thinking". But such passages, stories, are hidden information about scientific

truths. A classic case is the story of Druva. There might have been a king of

that name, but the puranic story tells us about the origin of the solar system.

In that story Druva means "stability", not a person.

 

We must also forget the pseudo-traditional view of holding the present India as

the "Home of Vedic Knowledge"! Bharathavarsha was not India, but the centre of

the Eurasian continent, with India as the border and last repository of the

vedic culture. After the Atlantian period the vedic culture was re-founded in

Great Britain, Bretagne, Brittany, Vrithraragna ..... moved to the Caspian

(Kasyapan) Sea. Hastinapura was Hastusa near Ankara, whose airport is still

kalled "Yesilkoy" = Yasilikaya. A princess of this kingdom wrote a letter,

signing it with the name Hastinavathi! Kurukshetra was in Iran, the land of

Cyrus, correctly pronounced "Kurus". The Yadavas killed themselves by fighting

with reeds. The most suitable place for such reeds is the Tigris/Euphrates

estuary, famous for its reeds, which were even used for building ships, as Thor

Heyerdahl showed!

 

All I can say is this: Do not stagnate and look backwards in nostalgy, BUT go

forwards, using the past as a springboard or capital for a new enterprise!

Otherwise, all the work of the great Rishis will be in vain: they taught, so

that the disciples would learn more, advance in knowledge and faith, NOT

stagnate and go backwards!

 

I know that I hurt the feelings of those who follow strict teachings,

sampradays. But all these sampradayas were broken at some time in the past,

re-constructed later. In the remote past science and religion were ONE, but a

split occurred and the main effort was to strengthen religion. Science was also

kept hiddeen to avoid misuse and catastrophes as happened in Atlantis. Today we

have to find the balance: by realizing that science is understanding God and his

wishes. We must re-establish the Mother Earth as a "holy" creation of God, not

attribute holiness to only certain patrs. There are certainly "energy centres",

but these are not confined to any country. Glastonbury in England is as holy as

Benares (Varanasi) in India!

 

Namaste

Mani