Fight with Bhrighu's

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> Dear Mani,

 

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> How i teach them a lesson was published in news papers if members are

> interested i will disclose it in my next letter.

 

dear Inderjit,

Yes, i am interested! I am shocked by the by what you have experienced. This

is the trouble with India: brahmins and pundits have lost their honour and

honesty, but make capital out of their false status! But society is to blame,

for the general poverty makes people dishonest.

 

Regards,

Mani

 

..Dear Mani and the List Members ,Sorry I was off the list for few days to solve

my other problems, I will now narrate the story of bhrighu's which I left

unanswered. It was during June 1992 that I visited one Bhrighu Shastri Pt. Ram

Kumar Sharma , 95, Railway Mandi Hoshiarpur and give him the bio data of my self

and of my family members. During September in the same year I received a letter

no. RK/50 from Pt. Ram Kumar Sharma that the horoscope of my wife has been

traced and I should fix the date and time before visiting to Hoshiarpur as I

was living at Bhatinda during those days and still I am at this place. On

receiving this letter I was overwhelmed, as it was since my age of 14 i.e 1972

that I was trying to get a reading from the Bhrighu Sanhita. Even if it was not

for me I was satisfied to have it for my wife. I immediately replied to Pt. Ram

Kumar Sharma to give me time for hearing the horoscope. On receipt of my letter

he conveyed me that as we are already known to each other I can visit him any

time while staying at Hoshiarpur with my parents and he will give the reading of

the horoscope as and when I will visit him.I visited my parents at Hoshiarpur

with the intention of hearing the horoscope from 9th to 12th October . Till

that time I was having lot of faith in this Grantha inspite of the happening of

previous letters narrated incident of changed name reading. My father asked me

that I should not visit the Bhrighu's as they know me and also my capabilities

in astrology and they will not give me the reading. But as I was having lot of

faith I did not heed to his advise and visited Pt. Ram Kumar Ji along with my

wife.Pt. Ji welcomed me checked with the record and asked that there is a

direction for us that we should visit them only after chanting certain Mantra(Om

haring Shring Puroshtamaye Namah) for 1, 25,000 times only then he will give

reading of this horoscope. Instead of giving us the reading he put his family

horoscopes in front of me , I discussed his family horoscopes and I turned back

to complete the chanting of Mantra to enable to have the reading of my wife's

horoscope in which she herself was least interested and all the interests were

mine.With in next 1 and half month time I completed the count of Mantra and

demanded the time for getting the reading of the horoscope. This time he asked

me to visit on 14rth Jan 1993. When I visited the place he was missing and his

wife refused to give me the reading. I stayed there for upto 16th of Jan and

turned back harassed.There genuineness was now doubtful for me also.With lot of

efforts by phone they again give me an appointment for 18.5.1993. On visiting

Hoshiarpur on the fixed date P. Ram Kumar Sharma met but he show me his

inability to give the reading as he was moving away on some other work.Now it

was over for me.I wrote a registered letter on dated 22.6.1993 to Pt. Ram Kumar

Sharma narrating all the past incidents and asking him to give me now proper

time or I will forget my relations with them and will file a complaint against

him . No reply was received by me.Again I send him a registered letter dated

21.12.1993 asking for the same.Again there was no reply.Now I filed a complaint

against this in the Consumer Court Bhatinda .Pt. Ram Kumar Sharma did not defend

, but might have resorted to unlawful means.District Forum Bathinda rejected my

complaint on law point, by orders dated 26.6.1996.

I made an appeal at State Consumer Dispute Redressal Commission.The Commission

allow the appeal but directed to file the complaint at Hoshiarpur District

Forum.The case was given wide publicity by The Indian Express and The Tribune

group of New papers.I again resubmit the case in Hoshiarpur District Forum vide

complaint no. 53-A , 1997The case was defended by Pt. Ram Kumar Sharma.The Court

decided in my favor on dated 24.7.1997 asking Pt. Ram Kumar Sharma to pay me

Rs.3000/- as fine for deficiency in services.Pt. ji now made an appeal in State

on dated 22.9.1997appeal was rejected by the State and State Consumer Forum

enhanced the fine to Rs 3500/- on dated 19.3.1999.I ultimately received the fine

from Pt. ram Kumar during May 2000.Every thing was published in the State News

papers and even National papers.This is the story .I am not as yet satisfied

with this , I feel that it is true that there are certain Granthas and and Nadi

grantha in the South . These are the national property and if properly handled

can increase the image of our Country and Astrology world wide. I THINK WITH A

PUBLIC INTEREST LITIGATION filed against all these bhrighu shastri's and nadi

readers they can be brought under a board where scholar's can make research ,

public can take the reading of there horoscopes with no cheating, and the

present owners can be paid a part of the money so received. This work can be

done , it will involve lot of traveling involvement of an Advocate and money.

Not a one man job. I request all the list members to apply their mind on this.

It is for Astrology and for India both. To beat the cheaters and to promote

Astrology.

With Best wishes,Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

 

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Hello list members,

 

Went through the post of Mr. Inderjit Sawhney regarding Bhrigu Shastris. The

lure of fast buck and making gullible people as guinea pigs has attracted

many frauds in the field of astrology and this is so common in India as is

elsewhere in the entire world. Atleast in India people respect this divine

science and pay heed to astrologers unlike the west where especially in U.S.

astrology is listed as entertainment.

 

Brihat Samhita, lists the qualities of astrologers as well as qualities of

people who go to consult the astrologers. These need to be studied very very

carefully and adopted in person. Unless the divine wills, no one can get a

satisfactory and correct answer from any astrologer, howsoever competent he

or she may be. Such is the divine intervention in this science and in use of

this science.

 

I too had an occasion to visit a Bhrigu Shastri, not in Punjab but in

Rajasthan. Having been doing astrology for the past many years, I have often

been tempted to visit the nadi readers and bhrigu shastris and have had

bitter experiences and was cheated too on occasions but that is their Karma,

so I left it at that. I visited one particular Bhrigu Shastri and was

astonished and marvelled at the correctness of his predictions. And he never

demanded anything, and accepts whatever the consultor has to offer.

 

So, in this world, all kinds of people exist. It depends on one's fate and I

am sorry, we should not brand the entire clan as cheats, on being cheated by

one of them. It is my humble opinion, anyone is welcome to differ and hold

his views. Lets look for positivities.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

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Manoj,

 

> Brihat Samhita, lists the qualities of astrologers as well as qualities of

> people who go to consult the astrologers. These need to be studied very

very

> carefully and adopted in person. Unless the divine wills, no one can get a

> satisfactory and correct answer from any astrologer, howsoever competent

he

> or she may be. Such is the divine intervention in this science and in use

of

> this science.

 

Good point. It is not only a matter of astrologers, but of the people who

consult, too. Many of them are afflicted, and looking for a certain answer.

Many can't take the truth and prefer to pay to be told what they want to

hear. It is easier to live in a false world like that. Thus, if you come out

in a frank way with the truth, they become angry and resentful with you,

just like the cave dwellers who were attached to the shadows in Plato's

Republic.

 

The Bhagavat Purana STARTS OFF warning about kaitava dharma in the age of

Kali. It is in our faces, but on both sides of the consulting table.

 

Dharmapada Dasa

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Hello Manoj Pathak and other list members,

My comments are as under in****.

Went through the post of Mr. Inderjit Sawhney regarding Bhrigu Shastris. The

lure of fast buck and making gullible people as guinea pigs has attracted

many frauds in the field of astrology and this is so common in India as is

elsewhere in the entire world. Atleast in India people respect this divine

science and pay heed to astrologers unlike the west where especially in U.S.

astrology is listed as entertainment.

***In India also by law you cannot chalange an Astrologer for wrong

predictions, more or less predictive Astrology is an entertainment in the eyes

of Law. People regard it , In genral people also regard the Astrologers, because

people are God fearing***

Brihat Samhita, lists the qualities of astrologers as well as qualities of

people who go to consult the astrologers. These need to be studied very very

carefully and adopted in person. Unless the divine wills, no one can get a

satisfactory and correct answer from any astrologer, howsoever competent he

or she may be. Such is the divine intervention in this science and in use of

this science.

**** I am an Astrologer attending and giving predictions daily to the public

and well know the norms how to consult and how to give the predictions. Though

the Bhrighu Shastri is not an astrologer , but my regards were not less than

that could be for a teacher.****

 

I too had an occasion to visit a Bhrigu Shastri, not in Punjab but in

Rajasthan. Having been doing astrology for the past many years, I have often

been tempted to visit the nadi readers and bhrigu shastris and have had

bitter experiences and was cheated too on occasions but that is their Karma,

so I left it at that. I visited one particular Bhrigu Shastri and was

astonished and marvelled at the correctness of his predictions. And he never

demanded anything, and accepts whatever the consultor has to offer.

 

****Our circumstances differ , i belong to the place, a daily visitor to

Bhrighu Shastries till 1977, when i left Hoshiarpur. In Hoshiarpur also there

are four families at different places, will you please explain which is that

Bhrighu Shastri , who astonished and marvelled by his predictions to you in

Rajasthan.Others will be also benefited by that.****

 

So, in this world, all kinds of people exist. It depends on one's fate and I

am sorry, we should not brand the entire clan as cheats, on being cheated by

one of them. It is my humble opinion, anyone is welcome to differ and hold

his views. Lets look for positivities.

****Fate is the result of our karmic efforts, when majority of the persons in

a class are cheat , honest also suffer.

Whenever Astrology is attacked i always think that , no other but the Nadi

Grantha and Bhrighu Sanhita hold the key to answer all this.I had taken many

readings for others leaving one or two instances future predictions proved to be

wrong.

The readings starts with answer of Maharishi Bhrighu to his pupil Shukra

questions for various planet combinations. Bhrighu ji 1st stating the name of

the person, his birth place etc speaks about the time when the reading will be

given , it is by age and by Tithi. I feel taht whenever the Bhrighu Shastry find

some defect with the Leaf , they send back the consultant by recommending some

Mantra. It happenes twice with me while taking reading for others when the

consultants were turned back. But when the reading was given, after they chant

the Mantra, i find no such instruction on the Leaf, which i enquired from the

Bhrighu reader , and his answer was that it is some where else.

Those who know the astrology and are in the possesion of such Nadi or Bhrighu

Sanhita are spreading the knowledge, I will quote, BV Raman and R.G Rao in this

contest.Some of Nadi Grantha are in Oriental Library of Madras.

I am now at such a state of my mind that i am not interested in any reading

from Bhrighu Sanhita or Nadi Grantha.

But i am serius if any thing could be done , so that things go straight , the

Bhrighu Shastry or Nadi readers must earn , but the consultant should get , what

was actualy written by our ancient sages.And world should get the Message that

Astrology is a great science only we know less.*****

 

With Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

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Manoj Pathak wrote: Atleast in India people respect this divine

> science and pay heed to astrologers unlike the west where especially in U.S.

> astrology is listed as entertainment.

 

But that is the worst part of it! If in the west astrology is not taken

earnestly, the false astrologer does not do much damage. But cheating those who

take it as a divine oracle can ruin lives!

 

regards

Mani

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Hello Manoj Pathak and other list members,

My comments are as under in****.

Went through the post of Mr. Inderjit Sawhney regarding Bhrigu Shastris. The

lure of fast buck and making gullible people as guinea pigs has attracted

many frauds in the field of astrology and this is so common in India as is

elsewhere in the entire world. Atleast in India people respect this divine

science and pay heed to astrologers unlike the west where especially in U.S.

astrology is listed as entertainment.

***In India also by law you cannot chalange an Astrologer for wrong

predictions, more or less predictive Astrology is an entertainment in the eyes

of Law. People regard it , In genral people also regard the Astrologers, because

people are God fearing. ***

Brihat Samhita, lists the qualities of astrologers as well as qualities of

people who go to consult the astrologers. These need to be studied very very

carefully and adopted in person. Unless the divine wills, no one can get a

satisfactory and correct answer from any astrologer, howsoever competent he

or she may be. Such is the divine intervention in this science and in use of

this science.

**** I am an Astrologer attending and giving predictions daily to the public

and well know the norms how to consult and how to give the predictions. Though

the Bhrighu Shastri is not an astrologer , but my regards were not less than

that could be for a teacher.****

 

I too had an occasion to visit a Bhrigu Shastri, not in Punjab but in

Rajasthan. Having been doing astrology for the past many years, I have often

been tempted to visit the nadi readers and bhrigu shastris and have had

bitter experiences and was cheated too on occasions but that is their Karma,

so I left it at that. I visited one particular Bhrigu Shastri and was

astonished and marvelled at the correctness of his predictions. And he never

demanded anything, and accepts whatever the consultor has to offer.

 

****Our circumstances differ , i belong to the place, a daily visitor to

Bhrighu Shastries till 1977, when i left Hoshiarpur. In Hoshiarpur also there

are four families at different places, will you please explain which is that

Bhrighu Shastri , who astonished and marvelled by his predictions to you in

Rajasthan.Others will be also benefited by that.****

 

So, in this world, all kinds of people exist. It depends on one's fate and I

am sorry, we should not brand the entire clan as cheats, on being cheated by

one of them. It is my humble opinion, anyone is welcome to differ and hold

his views. Lets look for positivities.

****Fate is the result of our karmic efforts, when majority of the persons in

a class are cheat , honest also suffer.

Whenever Astrology is attacked i always think that , no other but the Nadi

Grantha and Bhrighu Sanhita hold the key to answer all this.I had taken many

readings for others leaving one or two instances future predictions proved to be

wrong.

The readings starts with answer of Maharishi Bhrighu to his pupil Shukra

questions for various planet combinations. Bhrighu ji 1st stating the name of

the person, his birth place etc speaks about the time when the reading will be

given , it is by age and by Tithi. I feel taht whenever the Bhrighu Shastry find

some defect with the Leaf , they send back the consultant by recommending some

Mantra. It happenes twice with me while taking reading for others when the

consultants were turned back. But when the reading was given, after they chant

the Mantra, i find no such instruction on the Leaf, which i enquired from the

Bhrighu reader , and his answer was that it is some where else.

Those who know the astrology and are in the possesion of such Nadi or Bhrighu

Sanhita are spreading the knowledge, I will quote, BV Raman and R.G Rao in this

contest.Some of Nadi Grantha are in Oriental Library of Madras.

I am now at such a state of my mind that i am not interested in any reading

from Bhrighu Sanhita or Nadi Grantha.

But i am serius if any thing could be done , so that things go straight , the

Bhrighu Shastry or Nadi readers must earn , but the consultant should get , what

was actualy written by our ancient sages.And world should get the Message that

Astrology is a great science only we know less.*****

 

With Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

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Dear Mani,

 

If someone is destined to be cheated, he would be, despite anybody putting

him wise. If that is Destiny, If that is the theory of Karma, how much free

will, will one exercise. Now when I said, astrology is taken seriously in

India, it also meant that Indians do have the discerning sense to

distinguish a good astrologers. You, as an astrologer, must have advised

your friends about certain impending calamity in their lives and would have

prescribed some remedies too and would have fervently hoped that they follow

it, but to your dismay, many times, many of them would have come back and

told you that inevitable could not be avoided. Either they forgot to do the

remedial exercise or could not find time, or some other excuse. That is How

Destiny works.

 

With best regards,

 

Manoj

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Manoj Pathak wrote:

> Dear Mani,

>

> If someone is destined to be cheated, he would be, despite anybody putting

> him wise.

 

Dear Manoj,

 

I agree with you 100%! But we cannot estimate how binding the destiny is.

 

 

 

> If that is Destiny, If that is the theory of Karma, how much free

> will, will one exercise.

 

Continuing above theme, I think there are milestones in life, which one cannot

avoid. The soul, before being orn, outlines its pattern, takes on definite

experiences. But from one milestone to another the way is hazy, undefined, left

to free will. Between, say two catastrophes, one can, by right choice, have a

period of happiness.

 

> Now when I said, astrology is taken seriously in

> India, it also meant that Indians do have the discerning sense to

> distinguish a good astrologers.

 

Here I disagree. The average Indian is not very discerning at all! My experience

of Indian attitude to astrology is rather negative:

- total vagueness re. TOB,

- "criminal" attempts to change the TOB to get a good chart

- sceptical attitude

- superstitious attitude, thinking that breaking a coconut can change destiny!

 

India is "many countries" and has 1000(?) million people. Any generalization is

questionable. Each of us sees only a fraction. Most Indians are ignorant of the

customs of their neighbours - in other states and even in the castes in their

own states. Indians meet in the market, but not in their homes!

 

 

>You, as an astrologer, must have advised

> your friends about certain impending calamity in their lives and would have

> prescribed some remedies too and would have fervently hoped that they follow

> it, but to your dismay, many times, many of them would have come back and

> told you that inevitable could not be avoided. Either they forgot to do the

> remedial exercise or could not find time, or some other excuse.

 

Dead right! One particular case: it was a question of job. I was able to

foretell all the offers he would get, even describe the places. He confirmed the

offer every time and I advised him to take up the job. He did not. The period of

choice was over, he finally accepted a rather unproductive profession: giving

the final speech in praise of the dead during burials!... Words spoken by a

stranger, forgotten a few minutes later! ....

 

But in contrast there was a girl whose marriage had broken up. I advised her to

start dieting, getting slim, and waiting 4 years to find the right husband. She

came repeatedly with some friend. I told her, "Try your partner out, WITHOUT

marriage. The stronger the binding, the more violent the break! ;arry only after

4 years, not before." She took my advice, had close relationships, which all

broke up, but in friendship. After 4 years she found a true partner.

 

> That is How

> Destiny works.

 

No astrologer can say how destiny works. He can only see possibilities and

tendencies. That is why one should help psychologically, leaving the final

result to the divine intention.

 

regards

Mani

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Manoj Pathak wrote

If someone is destined to be cheated, he would be, despite anybody putting

him wise. If that is Destiny, If that is the theory of Karma, how much free

will, will one exercise.

Accepting cheating from Astrologers for whom higher norms has been fixed by

Varah Mihira in Brihat Sanhita and calling that destiny is a pity ,not fighting

it is all against the Indian Philosophy of Karma.

Present life is the result of previous karma called destiny and of present day

to day work called PURSHARATH, destiny is the result of already done karma, not

in our hands, Indian Philosophy has always favored Pursharath(work/karam)Gita is

full with Karam Yoga,Society is changed with Pursharth not by crying on the

destiny. Even in my fight with Bhirighu ,no body motivated me , my father was

afraid of Bhrighu's due to their much higher contacts, he told me ,"Son you will

loose because they have contacts with high ups ",my reply was that I have

contacts with the highest up and I will win. Horary astrology shows me

failure, but I did the Pursharath and ultimately won. If we go by the truth of

Bhrighu Sanhita as he was a Brahma Rishi ,did he forget to foresee this event?.

On moral grounds also ,if any thing has been written for me or my wife then it

must be conveyed to me or my wife in proper order.

Now when I said, astrology is taken seriously in

India, it also meant that Indians do have the discerning sense to

distinguish a good astrologers.

Good Astrologers are rare in India most of the astrologers are making to the

Public fatalistic, which is against the Indian Philoshy of Karam Theory. Just

read the Yoga Vashishat, What Rishi Vashishat taught to Ram. Destiny is not made

by any God,Devi Devta or Planets.Yoga Philosophy is the way of Pursharath. This

destiny based thought of some Indian Astrologers and most of the Indian has made

us and our society use less accepting crime, corruption, injustice are the

results of this thought.

You, as an astrologer, must have advised

your friends about certain impending calamity in their lives and would have

prescribed some remedies too and would have fervently hoped that they follow

it, but to your dismay, many times, many of them would have come back and

told you that inevitable could not be avoided. Either they forgot to do the

remedial exercise or could not find time, or some other excuse. That is How

Destiny works.

 

If due to destiny one fall ill ,its cure by medicines is must ,chanting Mantra

will only produce circumstances that one will move to correct Doctor and will

have will power to Do Pursharath for working against the sickness.When a bone

break accidentally,even if you will chant Mahamritujai Mantra you will have to

go for Plaster also. Both are Pursharath .

We are moving away from the original issue of mending the ways for these Nadi

and Bhrighu Sanhita readers .

With regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mr. Sawhney,

 

I also hail from the Hoshiarpur Belt in Punjab, popularly known as Doaba but

never felt like visiting the Bhrigu shastris in Hoshiarpur. I strongly

believe in only one thing. When the time arises, the Guru automatically

surfaces and so only when the time arises, one would visit or consult the

nadi or bhrigu reader he is destined to meet. The one I met, even defined

the Tithi, the persons accompanying me, astrologers amongst them and so on

and so forth. Later on, when I sat back and analysed his readings coupled

with my horoscope, I found them to be amazingly correct.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

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Dear Mr Manoj

 

I stumbled upon this thread by chance and enjoyed the conversation. As I understand you had the good fortune of visiting a Bhrigu Shastri and were satisfied with the reading. Could you please tell me which Shastri did you visit in Hoshiarpur or anywhere else in India?