Sagittarius vs Capricrn

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> I don't see why Capricorn should make the attacks any

> more fatal.

 

Purushottama,

 

Because the sun is in the eighth instead of the benefic ninth.

 

On the contrary, I feel that using a

> Sagittarius Lagna 'worsens' Srila Prabhupada's health,

 

But under Capricorn, the karaka for health occupies the eighth. I just don't

see how you can follow the above line of reasoning.

 

 

> Yes, of course. However, judgement based on karaka's

> is not as important for our purposes as judgement

> based on houses and Lords. I presented my case on this

> basis yesterday.

 

You can present it tomorrow, too, but I feel that judgement from karaka is

extremely indicative and the generally accepted principles agree with this.

( Don't get mad! )

 

 

Going to the points you made:

>

> >>I don't think that the nodes in the eighth,

> afflicting the sun and bad lord jupiter, would have

> allowed such longevity under Capricorn; in spite of

> the nice Saturn in the tenth.<<

 

In addition to the eighth, the ascendent and the karaka have to be

considered. The ascendent is in very good shape because it receives an

aspect from its lord. The karaka is exalted in the best house, wherefrom it

aspects the lord of the house of longevity, the moon. In this regard, the

moon/eighth house acquire strength.

 

> My first point here is I don't see Jupiter in this

> chart as being that bad for longevity. He also

> sweetens down Ketu, and the Sun is there to protect

> his own house. Considering that Ketu is far away (and

> in a weak avastha) from the Sun, the threat is less.

> Further, the Sun is quite strong by Shad Bala and

> Ashtakavarga, which is of course helpful.

> Nevertheless, the influeence of Ketu manifested at the

> end of Ketu Mahadasha, which resulted in Srila

> Prabhupada taking Samadhi. Next, the great strength of

> the Lagna, in the Capricorn chart, is also helpful.

> This is lacking in the Sagittarius chart, I believe.

 

The Sagittarius lagna is very strong- Jupiter is with the lord of the ninth

in the ninth. Ketu becomes a blemish, maybe, given this situation.

 

I use same house, same sign. I probably jumped from one to the other in my

mind.

 

A pious death and destiny is also seen in the Sagittarius chart. The lord of

the house of the next destination, Mars, is in a pious house and receives an

aspect from Jupiter in the ninth with the lord of the ninth. What else do

you want? A hand-written invite from Vishnu to join him in Vaikuntha?

 

# ; ^ )

 

Yadu Shreshtha- I'll respond to you on Sunday.

 

Bye now!

 

Dharmapada

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Om Krishnaaya Namah

 

Dear Dharmapada,

 

Hare Krishna!!! Apologies for the delay in my reply.

 

>>Because the sun is in the eighth instead of the

benefic ninth.<<

 

Yes, but the Sun is in his own house and there are no

other death indications. Further, the Capricorn Lagna

is stronger.

 

>>But under Capricorn, the karaka for health occupies

the eighth. I just don't see how you can follow the

above line of reasoning.<<

 

Because, while the karaka is in the eighth, he is in

his own house, and the other factors for health show a

stronger Capricorn:

 

1) Lagna Lord Shani is just past his maximum

exaltation point, in the tenth.

2) Saturn is completely free from malefic aspect.

3) The Lagna is completely free from malefic aspect.

 

Now examine the Sagittarius Lagna:

 

1) Lagna is in Rashi Sandhi. (Phaladipika indirectly

says this is very dangerous)

2) Mars, a natural malefic, aspects the Lagna.

3) Saturn, a natural malefic and a maraka aspects the

Lagna.

4) Ketu aspects the Lagna.

5) Lagna Lord Jupiter is in Bala Avastha.

6) Jupiter is almost perfectly conjunct Ketu, and is

harmed a lot.

7) Jupiter is aspected by Malefic Mars.

8) The only good thing is Jupiters aspect on the

Lagna, but this is extremely wide, and considering his

weakness, this hardly makes up for the malefic factors

mentioned above.

 

Perhaps you may now see why I think of Sagittarius as

a weak Lagna and cannot agree with the following

statement:

 

>>The Sagittarius lagna is very strong<<

 

>>I feel that judgement from karaka is extremely

indicative and the generally accepted principles agree

with this. ( Don't get mad! )<<

 

Me?? Mad??? Never!!!!.........Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Of

course, and I wasn't saying that we should ignore

karakas in chart analysis. After all, bhava, Lord and

karaka are the first things a lot of us drill into our

heads. My point was that we are trying to decide which

Lagna is correct, and so analysis of houses and Lords

is a lot more important. Unafflicted Saturn in Libra

will remain unafflicted Saturn in Libra no matter what

the Lagna. But as the above comparision of Lagna's

demonstrates, when choosing a correct Lagna, houses

and Lords are far more important.

 

>>The lord of the house of the next destination, Mars,

is in a pious house and receives an aspect from

Jupiter in the ninth with the lord of the ninth.<<

 

You've jumped again in the same place as last time :-)

Under Sagittarius, using the house system you use

(sign=house) you have Mars is the sixth (not the pious

fifth) and therefore does not receive an aspect from

Jupiter in the ninth.

 

>>What else do you want? A hand-written invite from

Vishnu to join him in Vaikuntha?<<

 

Well, considering the above, YES PLEASE!!! And not

only hand written, but signed as well, with proof of

identity :-) Nope...hold on I've already got

one.......and yes, it has a Capricorn Lagna.

 

Interesting (and fun) discussion,

 

Jaya Radhe,

 

Pursottam

 

 

 

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