astrology------how true!!! (Rhoda)

[Guest guest]

Hi Rhoda

 

> what kind of karma am i gathering with this kind of

planetary placements (Mars and Venus in 8th)?

 

The problem with sexual desires is that it is the most heavy of

material involvements. This is for several reasons. Strong desires

eventually become reality on the material plane. Also the sex act

draws you into the closest physical and mental contact with another

person.

 

One of the causes of rebirth is from the mind's desires. When your

mind desires something so strongly it is capable of causing the

desire to materialize into the physical realm. So the stronger the

desires you have the more karma being created by your own mind.

 

This is why the Moon representing the mind is the most important of

planets for timing fructification of karmas through Vimshottari dasa.

The Moon represents more than just the thinking mind. The mind in the

sense of the Moon exists outside of the body in a subtler sheath. It

is this consciousness that projects your physical body as well as the

objects of desire and the things that your body interacts with in the

physical world. That is why Parasara says to judge the strength of

the chart based on the Moon's strength.

 

Sex and other sensual indulgence is the most powerful forms of

desire, so that is why dispassion in sex and other intoxicants are

required to finally remove yourself from the entanglement of karma.

Eventually you must also cease contact with other people, as the

desire for company is also extremely strong.

 

Anyone who has had really good sex, or experienced a really good high

wants that particular state of mental exhilaration to last, and they

desire it greatly, even after the act is accomplished. This great and

powerful desire causes these situations to form again and again in a

person's life through the mind's strength, binding them

tighter to

the material world.

 

You are involving yourself in the karmas of others when you interact

with them in any way. This leaves you vulnerable to the effect of

their mental vibrations. When someone hates you, their mental desire

is to inflict some form of harm upon you. When it is a lover, you

become the most intense focus of their willpower. This is a very

deadly thing, as they are forming desires through you, and you

through them. Their mental conceptions and desires towards you are

forming you and your future.

 

You must tread through life delicately, pleasing everyone and

everything, if you are to avoid the negative energies and curses of

people that will have a taxing effect on your future. This

unfortunately is not easy for a highly passionate Scorpio.

 

You should not even wish harm on other people. In Tantra there is a

siddhi called Marana, or killing through the willpower. This is an

actual ability that some people develop through the focus of their

willpower. Normal people do this at weaker levels every time they

wish harm on someone.

 

The difference is that when a Tantric performs these acts they are

able to protect themselves properly from the repercussions of their

actions through enlisting powerful energies as their protector.

 

If a chart has a very superior 6th house, then the enemies of the

person will be destroyed. Their chart is heavily protected by very

strong energies. Even if any ill will is focused mentally on them,

then the result is that the energies you are creating will backfire

on yourself, causing many miseries in your life.

 

Sorry for the digression. My point is that when you become involved

with another person so intimately you become a projection of their

mind and they of yours. This has a taxing effect on your karma,

especially if the relationship turns out sour. In such a case the

person may turn to hate you, and thereby curse you to a difficult

future, and subsequent problems in rebirth. Similarly if the

relationship is blissful, then the desire of this person will be to

be with you forever, causing you to be reborn to fulfill these

desires of the lover.

 

This is the main reason the sexual act is the most powerful in

creating more bondage and karma to the individual. If it was solely

on the basis of the physical pleasure involved, then heroine or some

other powerful drug would be more of a binding influence, as the

highs are apparently even greater than sex, as is the subsequent

desire for these.

 

ciao,

 

Alex

[Guest guest]

Hello Rhoda,

 

> one very important factor to be clarified is.

> 1st husband is read from the 7th house.

> what about the 2nd one? is it the 3rd from 7th which

> is 9th?

> then the whole complexion changes for me!!

> as my lord of 9th house is moon..in 1st house with

> sat®

> as there is a vast difference between the 2 men in my

> life!

> we must know how to read this difference.

> do go ahead and let me know please!!

 

What you said above are classic principles. Look at both the contents

of the houses, and the placement of their lords.

 

Also you must keep in mind which cycle is giving you the husband. For

example in your chart Jupiter as the 5th lord in the 10th will give

you a Jupiterian lover from the workplace or who works, if the cycle

running when you meet the person is Jupiter.

 

Alex

[Guest guest]

Dear Alex,

 

I hope you don't mind my comment on your post below. I can see that it was

well intended and I think does accurately outline some the karmic mechanics

of relationships and the effects on consciousness and the subsequent effect

on behavior etc.etc. but I really wonder sometimes how useful this kind of

emphasis is. The following comment doesn't necessarily apply directly to

your posting but it did trigger this call for caution.

 

I have seen many people (Buddhists, Vedantins even Christians) attempt to

live their lives driven by this level of intellectual insight into the

spiritual process and its implications for relationships but seen far fewer

successfully incorporate it into their lives - unless you consider various

kinds of debilitating mental disturbance (became more gender and sex

conscious by the mental effort of its negation) and/or divorce etc. (because

normal and healthy affections always had the confusing association with out

and out lust and so even asexual affections became self-conscious and

awkward or withdrawn altogether) or screwed up children (because they

somehow thought that because they had the TRUTH they had the power to

transform another persons eternal karmic history, that they were somehow

more powerful than the total karmic setting of their children that they

could create spiritually pure children from cook-book spirituality) as some

kind of spiritual success.

 

Unfortunately the latter result can undermine the spiritual progress because

people cannot find any head space that feels 'normal' anymore, they lose

self-esteem, feel guilty and ashamed to the point of apathy, helplessness,

self-pity - nihilism. They can lose their bearings on 'realistic' and

'practical' spiritual effort, effort that recognises not some absolute

benchmark that our current karmic constitutions just cannot host

(realistically), but incorporates elements of the individuals we are at a

pace we can live with.

 

Frankly, I think to be responsible, and responsibility comes with knowledge,

it is much more spiritually effective to focus on bringing spirituality in

and letting that naturally inform our evaluation of our experience and lives

than try to be fighting against ourselves within so much that we lose our

'spiritual common sense'. By spirituality here I mean just trying to be a

good person, give in charity, learn to give of ourselves and help others,

learn how to better help others, to see the unity and equality of essence

between ourselves in those around us (ie. learn to live in the mode of

goodness - satvic). I think this will slowly attract one to more explicit

spiritualistic ways of thinking and motivation as one naturally seeks more

wholistic and philanthropic views of life, including its ultimate meanings.

 

Absolute spiritual philosophy is great as the beaken of light pointing

towards eternal evolution but its connection to real people in real times is

where the rubber hits the road. THat's the beauty of astrology, short of a

guru who can help align us according to our spiritual and karmic capacities,

and unfortunately such conveniences are rare, astrology helps 'locate' a

person in the spiritualistic philosophy of the Vedas and karmic and mode

theory etc. (if you feel the need to do that in the first place)- it

legitimates to some extent our natures and our spiritual 'next steps'. It

helps us discover what is spiritual 'for us' given our karmic makeup. It

help's us individualise the spiritual path whilst still connecting us the

collective, the universe and the forces that regulate it. This is better

than some over emphasis (admitedly this is often inadvertant) on a assumed

all inclusive and indisriminately applied spiritual benchmark which because

of this, prejudices positively and negatively many who might try to apply

it. This 'impersonalism' and bias is rarely if ever noticed by those who

pontificate it as the one and only, transgender, transcultural cure all.

 

Sorry for my frankness. I would welcome considered criticism of this

attempt to articulate this balance between spiritual ideals and progress and

kali-yuga karmic life like ours, especially in the West and how astrology

can help us manage this boundary. I recognise I have made myself an easy

target for the more fundamentalist amongst us but I have not intended to be

contraversial. I have had to counsel many individuals over the years that

have had major collisions between their karmic makeup and and the

expectations born within them from idealistic and puritanical philosophies

of life or worse still the expectations of those who expound them - for

those souls, and those like them, it is worth the risk.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>Hi Rhoda

>

>> what kind of karma am i gathering with this kind of

>planetary placements (Mars and Venus in 8th)?

>

>The problem with sexual desires is that it is the most heavy of

>material involvements. This is for several reasons. Strong desires

>eventually become reality on the material plane. Also the sex act

>draws you into the closest physical and mental contact with another

>person.

>

>One of the causes of rebirth is from the mind's desires. When your

>mind desires something so strongly it is capable of causing the

>desire to materialize into the physical realm. So the stronger the

>desires you have the more karma being created by your own mind.

>

>This is why the Moon representing the mind is the most important of

>planets for timing fructification of karmas through Vimshottari dasa.

>The Moon represents more than just the thinking mind. The mind in the

>sense of the Moon exists outside of the body in a subtler sheath. It

>is this consciousness that projects your physical body as well as the

>objects of desire and the things that your body interacts with in the

>physical world. That is why Parasara says to judge the strength of

>the chart based on the Moon's strength.

>

>Sex and other sensual indulgence is the most powerful forms of

>desire, so that is why dispassion in sex and other intoxicants are

>required to finally remove yourself from the entanglement of karma.

>Eventually you must also cease contact with other people, as the

>desire for company is also extremely strong.

>

>Anyone who has had really good sex, or experienced a really good high

>wants that particular state of mental exhilaration to last, and they

>desire it greatly, even after the act is accomplished. This great and

>powerful desire causes these situations to form again and again in a

>person's life through the mind's strength, binding them

>tighter to

>the material world.

>

>You are involving yourself in the karmas of others when you interact

>with them in any way. This leaves you vulnerable to the effect of

>their mental vibrations. When someone hates you, their mental desire

>is to inflict some form of harm upon you. When it is a lover, you

>become the most intense focus of their willpower. This is a very

>deadly thing, as they are forming desires through you, and you

>through them. Their mental conceptions and desires towards you are

>forming you and your future.

>

>You must tread through life delicately, pleasing everyone and

>everything, if you are to avoid the negative energies and curses of

>people that will have a taxing effect on your future. This

>unfortunately is not easy for a highly passionate Scorpio.

>

>You should not even wish harm on other people. In Tantra there is a

>siddhi called Marana, or killing through the willpower. This is an

>actual ability that some people develop through the focus of their

>willpower. Normal people do this at weaker levels every time they

>wish harm on someone.

>

>The difference is that when a Tantric performs these acts they are

>able to protect themselves properly from the repercussions of their

>actions through enlisting powerful energies as their protector.

>

>If a chart has a very superior 6th house, then the enemies of the

>person will be destroyed. Their chart is heavily protected by very

>strong energies. Even if any ill will is focused mentally on them,

>then the result is that the energies you are creating will backfire

>on yourself, causing many miseries in your life.

>

>Sorry for the digression. My point is that when you become involved

>with another person so intimately you become a projection of their

>mind and they of yours. This has a taxing effect on your karma,

>especially if the relationship turns out sour. In such a case the

>person may turn to hate you, and thereby curse you to a difficult

>future, and subsequent problems in rebirth. Similarly if the

>relationship is blissful, then the desire of this person will be to

>be with you forever, causing you to be reborn to fulfill these

>desires of the lover.

>

>This is the main reason the sexual act is the most powerful in

>creating more bondage and karma to the individual. If it was solely

>on the basis of the physical pleasure involved, then heroine or some

>other powerful drug would be more of a binding influence, as the

>highs are apparently even greater than sex, as is the subsequent

>desire for these.

>

>ciao,

>

>Alex

>

>

>

>

>

>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello John Dunlop,

 

No need to apologize. I am happy you responded, as you are completely

correct. When I read your post, I came to the realization of what I

had done unintentionally. That is why your post was excellent, and

well received.

 

The problme was that I was answering her questions as to the karmic

results of sexual pursuits too literally. It was purely a technical

exercise, and I did not mean for anyone to adopt it as a lifestyle. I

did not think to explain my position more in depth. As writing is

such a slow medium, I kept my answer to merely explaining the effects

of sexual karma.

 

I reread what I wrote and it does sound far too cautionary and

moralizing, and does indeed have the effect mentioned by you below.

 

> Unfortunately the latter result can undermine the spiritual

> progress because people cannot find any head space that

> feels 'normal' anymore, they lose self-esteem, feel guilty and

> ashamed to the point of apathy, helplessness, self-pity -

> nihilism.

 

I did not intend it like this. I can see how someone would take this

as you have written.

 

So I must explain. Traditionally Vedantins pursue moksha, which is

liberation from the cycle of rebirth. The question posed was only

answered from this perspective. But in reality very very few people

actually truly desire moksha. If they truly did they would flee to a

forest. Most spiritualists are just trying to make their life more

pleasant, as well as future lives.

 

In this age of the Kali Yuga it is expected that humans will be

attached to sensual pleasures. THIS IS THE NORM. We cannot escape

from sensual pleasures, sex, drinking or any other intoxication. That

is the way that the planets are effecting the entire world. So what

is the use in saying don't indulge, when you are under such

strong

karmic force to do so anyways? It is not as if you have the choice.

People are born under certain star positions. They cannot change

this, unless they do puja. But in general no one even does this

anymore. So I personally am of the belief that people should indulge

in their sense pleasures, just in a cautious way and fully aware of

the repercussions of their actions, without feeling to morally

upset.

 

In fact the karma for indulging in these pursuits, sexual and the

like, is less in this age than any other. Similarly, the spiritual

pursuits in this age results in far more positive karma than any

other yuga, just because it is so rare. It is comparatively very easy

to attain moksha in this kali yuga, than any other.

 

Entanglement in the karmas of others if positive, is actually a very

beneficial thing as it will create good karmas for you in the future.

When the good will of people is had, their mental influence on you

can only be a good thing, giving you pleasures in life, and leading

you eventually to a Sattvic life.

 

My response to the question was from the view of moksha in which case

unentanglement from karmas would be the goal. That is all really. I

interpreted the question "what kind of karma am i gathering with

this

kind of (sexual) planetary placements?" and answered it far too

literally. I do realize that actually following what I wrote before

is impossible, unless you are really superhuman. I was not telling

people to take this course of action, just writing the effect of the

acts, answering like a computer.

 

Following this course of action will indeed lead to mental problems

in many people, as it is the most difficult task possible that anyone

may attempt, far harder than climbing Everest. I do not recommend it

at all, unless you are a real superhuman. Personally, I do not live

my life avoiding all of these karmic entanglements. I live very much

in the lives of others and thoroughly enjoy it. I do want a wife and

children, and all the enjoyments of life. I love this world and life.

It was created for us to experience through our senses.

 

Most people wish to keep on enjoying the physical world. Some may

search after escape from the material world. I think it is more

practical for most people to just search after an enjoyable, happy

and peaceful birth and rebirth.

 

This is very attainable as long as you do what you said below, and is

the course of action that I recommend for 99.9999% of people.

 

> By spirituality here I mean just trying to be a good person, give

> in charity, learn to give of ourselves and help others, learn how

> to better help others, to see the unity and equality of essence

> between ourselves in those around us (ie. learn to live in the mode

> of goodness - satvic).

 

Following this, happiness in this and future lives can be attained. I

personally am not searching for moksha at this point. I believe that

the incarnated world is as much the ultimate reality as the world

attained by moksha. They are two sides of the same coin. The present

world we live in is very real, and should be respected as such. The

path I am attempting to follow is eventual release from rebirth, yet

enjoyment of the physical world in the meantime.

 

Just to add to your excellent recommendations above, I believe that

we should perform puja, as it is a very effective way of removing

karmic debts and entanglements. Many may frown on puja done to secure

happiness in the material world, and remove the bad karmas, such as

injury and disharmony in personal lives. There are those who would

have us suffer our evil karmas and thereby develop dispassion, and a

clear understanding of the world's mechanics.

 

This is an excellent and effective course of action for attaining

moksha, but very very difficult. It is not for me. I would rather do

puja to remove the ill effects. I would prolong my life in the

material world.

 

In conclusion, I definitely 100% do not expect anyone to try and live

life like I wrote in that post; especially those of us whose senses

are under the super-powerful effect of the planets. If they do so

successfully, than I can only humbly bow at their lotus feet, for

they are truly divine.

 

Alex

[Guest guest]

i see your point alex on the issue of 1st husband, 2nd

husband!

will study it.

thanks for all your valuable postings.

very informative and educative.

also it has helped me understand life,a little better.

thanks a ton!

rhoda

 

 

 

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