Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 Skinbags: > >Dear Christopher > >Why is this Mercury weak? It has vipreeta raja yoga status and is located in >the nakshatra of birth yogi and planet of President Jupiter. It is in the >lord of the 10th house from Moon in the 3rd house of courage and victory. I >do not see this as a weak planet for Gore. Any comments. This Mercury falls >on my lagna cusp, maybe thats why I like it so much.............. You raise some good points. But how important are each of them? Vipreeta yoga is contested by many people(dussthana lords that are placed in other dussthana houses) so I don't necessarily consider that a position of strength. I've seen illustrations of it, but always there were other supporting factors. If you have any irrefutable proof of Vipreeta, I'd be glad to look it over. I don't know much about yogi planets, so let's bracket those for now. As for Mercury being in Jupiter's star, yeah, that's good, but doesn't Jupiter's house placement count? It's in the 6th. Some might say (to quote Liam) that a connection between the 6th(disputes and enemies) and a kingly planet would be favourable for a politican. Could be, but I haven't had enough experience to say. Chandra lagna charts are fine and I use them too, but not at the expense of the rashi. In Cancer rising rashi, Mercury rules the 3rd and 12th and is placed in the 8th. In Aquarius, it's dispositor is Saturn placed in the 1st. That helps for sure. But what's really interesting about Gore's Mercury is its heavy aspecting: it receives Ketu's and Mars's aspect and the orbs are both quite tight, both around one degree. If we focus on the natural qualities of these planets, this is a dual affliction that should affect Mercury's significations negatively, particularly the living ones such as siblings. However, if we look at rulerships, one can easily be persuaded to see the glass is half full: Ketu is in Libra and dispositor Venus is in own sign Taurus in the 11th of gains and Mars is in 1st while it is YK and rules the all important 10th. By that perspective, Mercury is receiving a lot of beneficial influence. The difficulty here as always, is in blending the maleficence of the natural malefics with the beneficence of the their functional roles. It is also worth pointing out that Mercury is fairly uninspiring when one examines its 16 varga placements. It is only exalted in one chart (although significantly, it's in dashamsha) and in own sign in one, while it is debilitated in two. It is also pretty weak in shad bala. For me, it's really up in the air whether or not we should think of Mercury here as an asset. I wonder what happened to Gore in his previous Mercury bhuktie in 1981-2. Anyone know? In the end, I side with Houck on who will be elected (Bush) only because he is rarely wrong in predicting election outcomes and he's got way more experience than I have. I think of this as a very useful learning experience to see the relative importance of natural vs. functional qualities. If Gore should win, we'll have to give some credit to those aspects (and I won't even mention Saturn's 150* quincunx from the 1st with one degree orb!) Of course, we always have to remember that vimshottari dasha is never foolproof, so Mercury's placement may end up being irrelevant. Christopher > >skinbags > > >Andrew: > >I see what you mean about the ayanamsa. He is using Raman's, which is way >off. However, if you use krishnamurti (and Houck's, which is very close to >kr.), Gore goes into Mercury a couple of days before the election. I know >Houck places some importance on this shift to Gore's dubious Mercury period >in his prediction for a Bush victory. > >chris > >A >> - >> Andrew Lynn >> Pundit Navaratnam >> Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:07 PM >> Re: Election >> >> >> Somebody sent his to me. so I will post it for others to read. He is >using different calculations or a differernt ayanamsha from Lahiri. >> I have Bush in Saturn / Mars dasha. Funny, I post about a serious issue >like the election and I don't get one reply. I post a message about sex and >my email box is full. Ah such is >life........................................... >> >> Skinbags >> >> Vedic Astrology Indicates Bush As The Next US President >> >> >> >> Dr. Bangalore Sureshwara >> >> ======================================================= >> >> >> The US Presidential election is receiving, as usual, worldwide >attention. Governor George W. Bush and Vice-President Albert Gore are >contesting for the right to occupy the White House for the next four years. > It will be of great interest to study many aspects of the Vedic >horoscopes of the two national leaders. However, our Vedic astrological >evaluation will cover only the political aspect as specifically related to >which candidate is most likely to become the next president of United >States of America. >> >> >> Similar But Not Identical Horoscopes >> >> >> The horoscopes of Bush and Gore have few common planetary >geometrical relationships. The two horoscopes are similar but are not >identical. The common Ascendant is Cancer and Saturn is in Ascendant in >both the charts. The heavy influence of Rahu (node of Moon) in the two >charts indicate that it will be a campaign built on lot of tall talk in a >closely fought election. Ultimately, only one can be a winner. Therefore, >Rahu will have a dual role in the first presidential election of the >millenium. One as a king maker who bestows his blessing on one candidate >and the other as a spoiler who curses the other candidate. >> >> >> Governor George W. Bush >> >> >> Governor George W. Bush was born at 7.26 AM (EDT) on July 6, 1946 >at New Haven, Connecticut. The Ascendant Lord Moon is in the 3rd with >Jupiter, lord of 6th and 9th. The two shadow planets Rahu and Kethu are >exalted in Taurus and Scorpio, respectively. Governor Bush achieved a >historic victory when he defeated a favored candidate and was elected as >Governor of Texas in 1994. He repeated his victory when he was reelected >Governor in 1998. >> >> Saturn major-period started on August 1986 and ends on August 2005. >Venus minor-period started in June 1993. Saturn, lord of 7th and 8th , >is in Ascendant. Saturn¹s situation in Ascendant is not a desirable >feature. However, the aspect of lord of 8 on Jupiter, the lord of nine, >indicates fame and power. According to classical texts, the mutual >exchange of lord of 3rd (Mercury) and lord of Ascendant (Moon) indicates >the capacity of a person to accomplish "daring acts". Venus, as Lord of >4th and 11th is somewhat malefic. The location of 5th and 10th lord Mars in >2nd is quite desirable. The 10th house is aspected by Jupiter and exalted >Kethu. The 11th house is fairly well placed. Exalted Rahu in 11th will >benefit the person in Rahu major-period and Rahu minor-periods. Sun as lord >of 2nd in 12th, indicates heavy financial gains and excessive spending. >> >> A look at the planetary geometrical relationships from Moon show >Saturn as lord of 5th and 6th is in 11th. Saturn as lord of 5th is benefic, >but somewhat blemished because of its ownership of 6th. Venus, as lord of >2nd and 9th is good. The Sarva Ashtakavaraga (total eight-source of >energy) chart indicates 32, 28, 35 and 38 dots in Ascendant, 9, 10 and 11 >houses, respectively. The results appropriate to a specific house will >manifest if the number of dots exceed 30. As ascendant has more than 30 >dots, a royal position is possible. Saturn Venus geometrical relationship, >coupled with good tenth and eleventh houses and a healthy 32 dots in Sarva >Ashtakavarga in Lagna has largely contributed to Bush¹s continuing >political successes. During the period of Moon minor-period (July 1997 to >February 1999) , Bush was reelected in 1998 with a high percentage of the >vote. During Mars¹s minor-period, the Governor Os national visibility and >recognition increased culminating in his winning the nomination of the >Republican Party for the most powerful position in the world. The Rahu >minor-period starts from March 2000 and lasts until January 2003. Because >of the exalted position of Rahu, it is a yogakaraka (planetary position >for gains ) that bestows success to Bush. >> >> >> Vice- President Al Gore >> >> >> Vice-President Al Gore was born at 12.53 PM (EST) on March 31, 1948 >at Washington, DC. The Ascendant is also Cancer and Saturn is in the >Ascendant. The team of President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore were >elected in November 1992 and they were re-elected in November 1996. Mars, >as lord of 5th and 10th is a benefic and is in the Ascendant. The benefic >ability of Mars is somewhat reduced because of its debilitation. It aspects >7th and 8th houses, whose lord is Saturn. Rahu is in the constellation of >Bharani, whose lord is Venus. Venus, lord of 11th is in its own house and >well placed. Thus,Rahu, the shadow planet is a benefic. Jupiter, lord of >6th and 9th is in 6th house He is somewhat blemished, because of his >location in 6th. But is also neutralized because it is his own house. >Jupiter, aspects the 10th house. Rahu is in the 5th from Moon and is >aspected by Jupiter. The 10th lord from Moon is Mercury, who is placed in >the 3rd from Moon. Rahu Dasa runs from March 1992 to March 2010. Gore was >first elected as Vice President during Rahu minor-period . The reelection >was during Jupiter minor-period. The current Mercury Minor-period lasts >until September 2002. Mercury, lord of 3rd and 12th is in 8th. Mercury is >in the constellation of Purvabhadra, whose lord is Jupiter. Transit >Saturn, located in Taurus aspects Mercury and 8th house. The overall >planetary geometrical relationships indicate that Mercury is somewhat >blemished. Mercury generally denotes not mere intellect but viveka or >wisdom. Afflicted or blemished Mercury implies that in this election >campaign, facts and figures will be sometimes distorted and manipulated >for the sake of getting votes. The Sarva Ashtakavarga chart indicates29, >24, 32 and 36 dots in Ascendant, 9th, 10th and 11th houses, respectively. >The results appropriate to a specific house will manifest if the number of >dots exceed 30. It is important to note that the Ascendant has less than 30 >dots. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rahu, The King Maker or Spoiler? >> >> >> Governor Bush and Vice President Gore have backgrounds that make >them well qualified for ascending the throne in Washington. But, only one >of them can ascend the throne and the other will have to disappear into the >pages of history. The review of the charts of Governor Bush and Vice >President Gore has clearly shown that Rahu plays quite a dominant role as >far as their political future is concerned. The exalted position of Rahu >and its operating minor-period at the time of election are the positive >factors in the case of Bush. Though Rahu is fairly well placed in Gore¹s >chart, Mercury, the lord of the operating minor-period is somewhat >afflicted. The planet Rahu traditionally indicates backroom deals and >conspiracies. The dominant role of Rahu in the two charts indicates that >both the candidates will be involved in somewhat aggressive and >manipulative campaigning. It will be a tough political fight and a close >election. The Vedic astrological evaluation of the charts of the two >candidates clearly indicates that Bush has slight edge over Gore and is >thus favored to occupy the White House in January 2001. Before we close >the discussion, one has to remember that the horoscope is a mere map of >one¹s Prarabdha Karma (destiny). Planetary indications are neither >deterministic nor absolute. As the sages and seers have clearly indicated, >sincere human effort with the Grace of God can overcome adverse indications >shown in an individual¹s chart. >> >> ================================================================= >> >> >> DR. BANGALORE SURESHWARA >> >> >> >> DR. BANGALORE SURESHWARA has been actively involved for over two >decades in the study and propagation of Hinduism and Vedic Astrology. Dr. >Sureshwara is a regular contributor to THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE, Asia's >leading Vedic-Astrology journal founded in 1895. The illustrious Dr. B. V. >Raman was its Editor from 1932 to 1998. The current Editor is Mrs. Gayatri >Devi Vasudev. Dr. Sureshwara's articles in the areas of Vedic Astrology, >Hindu Theology, Hindu Spiritualism, Ramayana, and related areas have also >been published in many leading journals of England, North America and India. >> >> DR. SURESHWARA was the principal speaker on Vedic Astrology at The >Second Parliament of the World's Religions held in Chicago in >August-September 1993. His lectures and public presentations on Astrology, >Hinduism, and Ramayana have been popular and well received. He has >presented a series of talks on Ramayana at The Hindu Temple of Greater >Chicago in Illinois, the largest Hindu Temple complex in North America. >His innovative and novel approach to the study and understanding of >Ramayana is reflected in the series of commentaries published in various >journals. >> >> >> -- >> Arumugaswami >> Visit "Today at Kauai Aadheenam" http://www.gurudeva.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>gjlist- >> >> >> >> >> > > >gjlist- > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 - Christopher Kevill <ckevill <gjlist > Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:14 AM [gjlist] Election: Gore's Mercury Dear Christopher I think for a Cancerian, Chandra lagna takes on more importance than usual and in the case of Bush and Gore Saturn has turned retrograde in the 11th house of friends and associates. The 11th house is also the house of realization of goals. From his Moon, Bushs Saturn is in the 9th house of luck and 12th house from Sun. For Gore it is in the 6th house from Moon and 3rd house from Sun. Slightly better for Gore I think. Bush is also in Saturn dasha. I was looking at the chart of Bush Senior who was born 12th June 1924 in Milton, Ma. at 11.38.00. This is more like the horoscope of a President with his Mercury and Venus the 10th and 11th lords in maha parivartana raja yoga and also 9th and 10th from the Moon likewise. Rahu in the lagna is deposited by Sun who is dig bala in the 10th house with 11th lord Mercury. Lagna falls in the nakshatra of 10th lord Venus and Venus is in the 11th house in the nakshatra of birth yogi and planet of President Jupiter. Old man Bush has lagna lord Sun the king of the planets in the 10th house with the 2nd and 11th lord of wealth Mercury aspected by the 5th lord and planet of President and money Jupiter. Mercury is in exchange with Venus the 10th lord who is in the nakshatra of birth yogi Jupiter. He became President under Mercury /Venus period. He has all the kendras strong with a powerful Rahu in the lagna, Jupiter in the 4th, Mars the yoga karaka planet in the 7th house of the public, Sun and Mercury in the 10th house and Venus in the 11th. From the Moon lagna the planets are still powerful. What interests me is his chart is it is very bad for children showing the loss of the first born child. Is George Jnr the oldest child or is there somebody else older? Some old Pundits consider Gemini to be the ruling sign of the U.S.A and when Rahu transits the ruling sign of a country it is said that a new system of Government will be installed. Time will tell............................. Skinbags. > >Dear Christopher > >Why is this Mercury weak? It has vipreeta raja yoga status and is located in >the nakshatra of birth yogi and planet of President Jupiter. It is in the >lord of the 10th house from Moon in the 3rd house of courage and victory. I >do not see this as a weak planet for Gore. Any comments. This Mercury falls >on my lagna cusp, maybe thats why I like it so much.............. You raise some good points. But how important are each of them? Vipreeta yoga is contested by many people(dussthana lords that are placed in other dussthana houses) so I don't necessarily consider that a position of strength. I've seen illustrations of it, but always there were other supporting factors. If you have any irrefutable proof of Vipreeta, I'd be glad to look it over. I don't know much about yogi planets, so let's bracket those for now. As for Mercury being in Jupiter's star, yeah, that's good, but doesn't Jupiter's house placement count? It's in the 6th. Some might say (to quote Liam) that a connection between the 6th(disputes and enemies) and a kingly planet would be favourable for a politican. Could be, but I haven't had enough experience to say. Chandra lagna charts are fine and I use them too, but not at the expense of the rashi. In Cancer rising rashi, Mercury rules the 3rd and 12th and is placed in the 8th. In Aquarius, it's dispositor is Saturn placed in the 1st. That helps for sure. But what's really interesting about Gore's Mercury is its heavy aspecting: it receives Ketu's and Mars's aspect and the orbs are both quite tight, both around one degree. If we focus on the natural qualities of these planets, this is a dual affliction that should affect Mercury's significations negatively, particularly the living ones such as siblings. However, if we look at rulerships, one can easily be persuaded to see the glass is half full: Ketu is in Libra and dispositor Venus is in own sign Taurus in the 11th of gains and Mars is in 1st while it is YK and rules the all important 10th. By that perspective, Mercury is receiving a lot of beneficial influence. The difficulty here as always, is in blending the maleficence of the natural malefics with the beneficence of the their functional roles. It is also worth pointing out that Mercury is fairly uninspiring when one examines its 16 varga placements. It is only exalted in one chart (although significantly, it's in dashamsha) and in own sign in one, while it is debilitated in two. It is also pretty weak in shad bala. For me, it's really up in the air whether or not we should think of Mercury here as an asset. I wonder what happened to Gore in his previous Mercury bhuktie in 1981-2. Anyone know? In the end, I side with Houck on who will be elected (Bush) only because he is rarely wrong in predicting election outcomes and he's got way more experience than I have. I think of this as a very useful learning experience to see the relative importance of natural vs. functional qualities. If Gore should win, we'll have to give some credit to those aspects (and I won't even mention Saturn's 150* quincunx from the 1st with one degree orb!) Of course, we always have to remember that vimshottari dasha is never foolproof, so Mercury's placement may end up being irrelevant. Christopher > >skinbags > > >Andrew: > >I see what you mean about the ayanamsa. He is using Raman's, which is way >off. However, if you use krishnamurti (and Houck's, which is very close to >kr.), Gore goes into Mercury a couple of days before the election. I know >Houck places some importance on this shift to Gore's dubious Mercury period >in his prediction for a Bush victory. > >chris > >A >> - >> Andrew Lynn >> Pundit Navaratnam >> Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:07 PM >> Re: Election >> >> >> Somebody sent his to me. so I will post it for others to read. He is >using different calculations or a differernt ayanamsha from Lahiri. >> I have Bush in Saturn / Mars dasha. Funny, I post about a serious issue >like the election and I don't get one reply. I post a message about sex and >my email box is full. Ah such is >life........................................... >> >> Skinbags >> >> Vedic Astrology Indicates Bush As The Next US President >> >> >> >> Dr. Bangalore Sureshwara >> >> ======================================================= >> >> >> The US Presidential election is receiving, as usual, worldwide >attention. Governor George W. Bush and Vice-President Albert Gore are >contesting for the right to occupy the White House for the next four years. > It will be of great interest to study many aspects of the Vedic >horoscopes of the two national leaders. However, our Vedic astrological >evaluation will cover only the political aspect as specifically related to >which candidate is most likely to become the next president of United >States of America. >> >> >> Similar But Not Identical Horoscopes >> >> >> The horoscopes of Bush and Gore have few common planetary >geometrical relationships. The two horoscopes are similar but are not >identical. The common Ascendant is Cancer and Saturn is in Ascendant in >both the charts. The heavy influence of Rahu (node of Moon) in the two >charts indicate that it will be a campaign built on lot of tall talk in a >closely fought election. Ultimately, only one can be a winner. Therefore, >Rahu will have a dual role in the first presidential election of the >millenium. One as a king maker who bestows his blessing on one candidate >and the other as a spoiler who curses the other candidate. >> >> >> Governor George W. Bush >> >> >> Governor George W. Bush was born at 7.26 AM (EDT) on July 6, 1946 >at New Haven, Connecticut. The Ascendant Lord Moon is in the 3rd with >Jupiter, lord of 6th and 9th. The two shadow planets Rahu and Kethu are >exalted in Taurus and Scorpio, respectively. Governor Bush achieved a >historic victory when he defeated a favored candidate and was elected as >Governor of Texas in 1994. He repeated his victory when he was reelected >Governor in 1998. >> >> Saturn major-period started on August 1986 and ends on August 2005. >Venus minor-period started in June 1993. Saturn, lord of 7th and 8th , >is in Ascendant. Saturn¹s situation in Ascendant is not a desirable >feature. However, the aspect of lord of 8 on Jupiter, the lord of nine, >indicates fame and power. According to classical texts, the mutual >exchange of lord of 3rd (Mercury) and lord of Ascendant (Moon) indicates >the capacity of a person to accomplish "daring acts". Venus, as Lord of >4th and 11th is somewhat malefic. The location of 5th and 10th lord Mars in >2nd is quite desirable. The 10th house is aspected by Jupiter and exalted >Kethu. The 11th house is fairly well placed. Exalted Rahu in 11th will >benefit the person in Rahu major-period and Rahu minor-periods. Sun as lord >of 2nd in 12th, indicates heavy financial gains and excessive spending. >> >> A look at the planetary geometrical relationships from Moon show >Saturn as lord of 5th and 6th is in 11th. Saturn as lord of 5th is benefic, >but somewhat blemished because of its ownership of 6th. Venus, as lord of >2nd and 9th is good. The Sarva Ashtakavaraga (total eight-source of >energy) chart indicates 32, 28, 35 and 38 dots in Ascendant, 9, 10 and 11 >houses, respectively. The results appropriate to a specific house will >manifest if the number of dots exceed 30. As ascendant has more than 30 >dots, a royal position is possible. Saturn Venus geometrical relationship, >coupled with good tenth and eleventh houses and a healthy 32 dots in Sarva >Ashtakavarga in Lagna has largely contributed to Bush¹s continuing >political successes. During the period of Moon minor-period (July 1997 to >February 1999) , Bush was reelected in 1998 with a high percentage of the >vote. During Mars¹s minor-period, the Governor Os national visibility and >recognition increased culminating in his winning the nomination of the >Republican Party for the most powerful position in the world. The Rahu >minor-period starts from March 2000 and lasts until January 2003. Because >of the exalted position of Rahu, it is a yogakaraka (planetary position >for gains ) that bestows success to Bush. >> >> >> Vice- President Al Gore >> >> >> Vice-President Al Gore was born at 12.53 PM (EST) on March 31, 1948 >at Washington, DC. The Ascendant is also Cancer and Saturn is in the >Ascendant. The team of President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore were >elected in November 1992 and they were re-elected in November 1996. Mars, >as lord of 5th and 10th is a benefic and is in the Ascendant. The benefic >ability of Mars is somewhat reduced because of its debilitation. It aspects >7th and 8th houses, whose lord is Saturn. Rahu is in the constellation of >Bharani, whose lord is Venus. Venus, lord of 11th is in its own house and >well placed. Thus,Rahu, the shadow planet is a benefic. Jupiter, lord of >6th and 9th is in 6th house He is somewhat blemished, because of his >location in 6th. But is also neutralized because it is his own house. >Jupiter, aspects the 10th house. Rahu is in the 5th from Moon and is >aspected by Jupiter. The 10th lord from Moon is Mercury, who is placed in >the 3rd from Moon. Rahu Dasa runs from March 1992 to March 2010. Gore was >first elected as Vice President during Rahu minor-period . The reelection >was during Jupiter minor-period. The current Mercury Minor-period lasts >until September 2002. Mercury, lord of 3rd and 12th is in 8th. Mercury is >in the constellation of Purvabhadra, whose lord is Jupiter. Transit >Saturn, located in Taurus aspects Mercury and 8th house. The overall >planetary geometrical relationships indicate that Mercury is somewhat >blemished. Mercury generally denotes not mere intellect but viveka or >wisdom. Afflicted or blemished Mercury implies that in this election >campaign, facts and figures will be sometimes distorted and manipulated >for the sake of getting votes. The Sarva Ashtakavarga chart indicates29, >24, 32 and 36 dots in Ascendant, 9th, 10th and 11th houses, respectively. >The results appropriate to a specific house will manifest if the number of >dots exceed 30. It is important to note that the Ascendant has less than 30 >dots. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Rahu, The King Maker or Spoiler? >> >> >> Governor Bush and Vice President Gore have backgrounds that make >them well qualified for ascending the throne in Washington. But, only one >of them can ascend the throne and the other will have to disappear into the >pages of history. The review of the charts of Governor Bush and Vice >President Gore has clearly shown that Rahu plays quite a dominant role as >far as their political future is concerned. The exalted position of Rahu >and its operating minor-period at the time of election are the positive >factors in the case of Bush. Though Rahu is fairly well placed in Gore¹s >chart, Mercury, the lord of the operating minor-period is somewhat >afflicted. The planet Rahu traditionally indicates backroom deals and >conspiracies. The dominant role of Rahu in the two charts indicates that >both the candidates will be involved in somewhat aggressive and >manipulative campaigning. It will be a tough political fight and a close >election. The Vedic astrological evaluation of the charts of the two >candidates clearly indicates that Bush has slight edge over Gore and is >thus favored to occupy the White House in January 2001. Before we close >the discussion, one has to remember that the horoscope is a mere map of >one¹s Prarabdha Karma (destiny). Planetary indications are neither >deterministic nor absolute. As the sages and seers have clearly indicated, >sincere human effort with the Grace of God can overcome adverse indications >shown in an individual¹s chart. >> >> ================================================================= >> >> >> DR. BANGALORE SURESHWARA >> >> >> >> DR. BANGALORE SURESHWARA has been actively involved for over two >decades in the study and propagation of Hinduism and Vedic Astrology. Dr. >Sureshwara is a regular contributor to THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE, Asia's >leading Vedic-Astrology journal founded in 1895. The illustrious Dr. B. V. >Raman was its Editor from 1932 to 1998. The current Editor is Mrs. Gayatri >Devi Vasudev. Dr. Sureshwara's articles in the areas of Vedic Astrology, >Hindu Theology, Hindu Spiritualism, Ramayana, and related areas have also >been published in many leading journals of England, North America and India. >> >> DR. SURESHWARA was the principal speaker on Vedic Astrology at The >Second Parliament of the World's Religions held in Chicago in >August-September 1993. His lectures and public presentations on Astrology, >Hinduism, and Ramayana have been popular and well received. He has >presented a series of talks on Ramayana at The Hindu Temple of Greater >Chicago in Illinois, the largest Hindu Temple complex in North America. >His innovative and novel approach to the study and understanding of >Ramayana is reflected in the series of commentaries published in various >journals. >> >> >> -- >> Arumugaswami >> Visit "Today at Kauai Aadheenam" http://www.gurudeva.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>gjlist- >> >> >> >> >> > > >gjlist- > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 Skinbags: > >Dear Christopher > >I think for a Cancerian, Chandra lagna takes on more importance than usual >and in the case of Bush and Gore Saturn has turned retrograde in the 11th >house of friends and associates. The 11th house is also the house of >realization of goals. From his Moon, Bushs Saturn is in the 9th house of >luck and 12th house from Sun. For Gore it is in the 6th house from Moon and >3rd house from Sun. Slightly better for Gore I think. Bush is also in Saturn >dasha. Thanks for taking up my points so systematically. ;-) I guess when one astrologizes so intuitively, one has little interest in painstaking dissections. > >I was looking at the chart of Bush Senior who was born 12th June 1924 in >Milton, Ma. at 11.38.00. This is more like the horoscope of a President with >his Mercury and Venus the 10th and 11th lords in maha parivartana raja yoga >and also 9th and 10th from the Moon likewise. Rahu in the lagna is deposited >by Sun who is dig bala in the 10th house with 11th lord Mercury. Lagna falls >in the nakshatra of 10th lord Venus and Venus is in the 11th house in the >nakshatra of birth yogi and planet of President Jupiter. I think you're falling into a trap of a "presidential chart". Not all kingly charts are so textbook perfect. > >Old man Bush has lagna lord Sun the king of the planets in the 10th house >with the 2nd and 11th lord of wealth Mercury aspected by the 5th lord and >planet of President and money Jupiter. Take a look at Clinton. He's got Sun in the 12th. Not exactly presidential... best wishes, Christopher Mercury is in exchange with Venus the >10th lord who is in the nakshatra of birth yogi Jupiter. He became President >under Mercury /Venus period. He has all the kendras strong with a powerful >Rahu in the lagna, Jupiter in the 4th, Mars the yoga karaka planet in the >7th house of the public, Sun and Mercury in the 10th house and Venus in the >11th. From the Moon lagna the planets are still powerful. > >What interests me is his chart is it is very bad for children showing the >loss of the first born child. Is George Jnr the oldest child or is there >somebody else older? Some old Pundits consider Gemini to be the ruling sign >of the U.S.A and when Rahu transits the ruling sign of a country it is said >that a new system of Government will be installed. Time will >tell............................. > >Skinbags. > > > > > > > >> >>Dear Christopher >> >>Why is this Mercury weak? It has vipreeta raja yoga status and is located >in >>the nakshatra of birth yogi and planet of President Jupiter. It is in the >>lord of the 10th house from Moon in the 3rd house of courage and victory. I >>do not see this as a weak planet for Gore. Any comments. This Mercury falls >>on my lagna cusp, maybe thats why I like it so much.............. > >You raise some good points. But how important are each of them? Vipreeta >yoga is contested by many people(dussthana lords that are placed in other >dussthana houses) so I don't necessarily consider that a position of >strength. I've seen illustrations of it, but always there were other >supporting factors. If you have any irrefutable proof of Vipreeta, I'd be >glad to look it over. > >I don't know much about yogi planets, so let's bracket those for now. As >for Mercury being in Jupiter's star, yeah, that's good, but doesn't >Jupiter's house placement count? It's in the 6th. Some might say (to >quote Liam) that a connection between the 6th(disputes and enemies) and a >kingly planet would be favourable for a politican. Could be, but I haven't >had enough experience to say. > >Chandra lagna charts are fine and I use them too, but not at the expense of >the rashi. In Cancer rising rashi, Mercury rules the 3rd and 12th and is >placed in the 8th. In Aquarius, it's dispositor is Saturn placed in the >1st. That helps for sure. But what's really interesting about Gore's >Mercury is its heavy aspecting: it receives Ketu's and Mars's aspect and >the orbs are both quite tight, both around one degree. If we focus on the >natural qualities of these planets, this is a dual affliction that should >affect Mercury's significations negatively, particularly the living ones >such as siblings. However, if we look at rulerships, one can easily be >persuaded to see the glass is half full: Ketu is in Libra and dispositor >Venus is in own sign Taurus in the 11th of gains and Mars is in 1st while >it is YK and rules the all important 10th. By that perspective, Mercury is >receiving a lot of beneficial influence. The difficulty here as always, is >in blending the maleficence of the natural malefics with the beneficence of >the their functional roles. > >It is also worth pointing out that Mercury is fairly uninspiring when one >examines its 16 varga placements. It is only exalted in one chart >(although significantly, it's in dashamsha) and in own sign in one, while >it is debilitated in two. It is also pretty weak in shad bala. > >For me, it's really up in the air whether or not we should think of Mercury >here as an asset. I wonder what happened to Gore in his previous Mercury >bhuktie in 1981-2. Anyone know? > >In the end, I side with Houck on who will be elected (Bush) only because he >is rarely wrong in predicting election outcomes and he's got way more >experience than I have. > >I think of this as a very useful learning experience to see the relative >importance of natural vs. functional qualities. If Gore should win, we'll >have to give some credit to those aspects (and I won't even mention >Saturn's 150* quincunx from the 1st with one degree orb!) Of course, we >always have to remember that vimshottari dasha is never foolproof, so >Mercury's placement may end up being irrelevant. > >Christopher > > >> >>skinbags >> >> >>Andrew: >> >>I see what you mean about the ayanamsa. He is using Raman's, which is way >>off. However, if you use krishnamurti (and Houck's, which is very close to >>kr.), Gore goes into Mercury a couple of days before the election. I know >>Houck places some importance on this shift to Gore's dubious Mercury period >>in his prediction for a Bush victory. >> >>chris >> >>A >>> - >>> Andrew Lynn >>> Pundit Navaratnam >>> Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:07 PM >>> Re: Election >>> >>> >>> Somebody sent his to me. so I will post it for others to read. He is >>using different calculations or a differernt ayanamsha from Lahiri. >>> I have Bush in Saturn / Mars dasha. Funny, I post about a serious issue >>like the election and I don't get one reply. I post a message about sex and >>my email box is full. Ah such is >>life........................................... >>> >>> Skinbags >>> >>> Vedic Astrology Indicates Bush As The Next US President >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Bangalore Sureshwara >>> >>> ======================================================= >>> >>> >>> The US Presidential election is receiving, as usual, worldwide >>attention. Governor George W. Bush and Vice-President Albert Gore are >>contesting for the right to occupy the White House for the next four years. >> It will be of great interest to study many aspects of the Vedic >>horoscopes of the two national leaders. However, our Vedic astrological >>evaluation will cover only the political aspect as specifically related to >>which candidate is most likely to become the next president of United >>States of America. >>> >>> >>> Similar But Not Identical Horoscopes >>> >>> >>> The horoscopes of Bush and Gore have few common planetary >>geometrical relationships. The two horoscopes are similar but are not >>identical. The common Ascendant is Cancer and Saturn is in Ascendant in >>both the charts. The heavy influence of Rahu (node of Moon) in the two >>charts indicate that it will be a campaign built on lot of tall talk in a >>closely fought election. Ultimately, only one can be a winner. Therefore, >>Rahu will have a dual role in the first presidential election of the >>millenium. One as a king maker who bestows his blessing on one candidate >>and the other as a spoiler who curses the other candidate. >>> >>> >>> Governor George W. Bush >>> >>> >>> Governor George W. Bush was born at 7.26 AM (EDT) on July 6, 1946 >>at New Haven, Connecticut. The Ascendant Lord Moon is in the 3rd with >>Jupiter, lord of 6th and 9th. The two shadow planets Rahu and Kethu are >>exalted in Taurus and Scorpio, respectively. Governor Bush achieved a >>historic victory when he defeated a favored candidate and was elected as >>Governor of Texas in 1994. He repeated his victory when he was reelected >>Governor in 1998. >>> >>> Saturn major-period started on August 1986 and ends on August 2005. >>Venus minor-period started in June 1993. Saturn, lord of 7th and 8th , >>is in Ascendant. Saturn¹s situation in Ascendant is not a desirable >>feature. However, the aspect of lord of 8 on Jupiter, the lord of nine, >>indicates fame and power. According to classical texts, the mutual >>exchange of lord of 3rd (Mercury) and lord of Ascendant (Moon) indicates >>the capacity of a person to accomplish "daring acts". Venus, as Lord of >>4th and 11th is somewhat malefic. The location of 5th and 10th lord Mars in >>2nd is quite desirable. The 10th house is aspected by Jupiter and exalted >>Kethu. The 11th house is fairly well placed. Exalted Rahu in 11th will >>benefit the person in Rahu major-period and Rahu minor-periods. Sun as lord >>of 2nd in 12th, indicates heavy financial gains and excessive spending. >>> >>> A look at the planetary geometrical relationships from Moon show >>Saturn as lord of 5th and 6th is in 11th. Saturn as lord of 5th is benefic, >>but somewhat blemished because of its ownership of 6th. Venus, as lord of >>2nd and 9th is good. The Sarva Ashtakavaraga (total eight-source of >>energy) chart indicates 32, 28, 35 and 38 dots in Ascendant, 9, 10 and 11 >>houses, respectively. The results appropriate to a specific house will >>manifest if the number of dots exceed 30. As ascendant has more than 30 >>dots, a royal position is possible. Saturn Venus geometrical relationship, >>coupled with good tenth and eleventh houses and a healthy 32 dots in Sarva >>Ashtakavarga in Lagna has largely contributed to Bush¹s continuing >>political successes. During the period of Moon minor-period (July 1997 to >>February 1999) , Bush was reelected in 1998 with a high percentage of the >>vote. During Mars¹s minor-period, the Governor Os national visibility and >>recognition increased culminating in his winning the nomination of the >>Republican Party for the most powerful position in the world. The Rahu >>minor-period starts from March 2000 and lasts until January 2003. Because >>of the exalted position of Rahu, it is a yogakaraka (planetary position >>for gains ) that bestows success to Bush. >>> >>> >>> Vice- President Al Gore >>> >>> >>> Vice-President Al Gore was born at 12.53 PM (EST) on March 31, 1948 >>at Washington, DC. The Ascendant is also Cancer and Saturn is in the >>Ascendant. The team of President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore were >>elected in November 1992 and they were re-elected in November 1996. Mars, >>as lord of 5th and 10th is a benefic and is in the Ascendant. The benefic >>ability of Mars is somewhat reduced because of its debilitation. It aspects >>7th and 8th houses, whose lord is Saturn. Rahu is in the constellation of >>Bharani, whose lord is Venus. Venus, lord of 11th is in its own house and >>well placed. Thus,Rahu, the shadow planet is a benefic. Jupiter, lord of >>6th and 9th is in 6th house He is somewhat blemished, because of his >>location in 6th. But is also neutralized because it is his own house. >>Jupiter, aspects the 10th house. Rahu is in the 5th from Moon and is >>aspected by Jupiter. The 10th lord from Moon is Mercury, who is placed in >>the 3rd from Moon. Rahu Dasa runs from March 1992 to March 2010. Gore was >>first elected as Vice President during Rahu minor-period . The reelection >>was during Jupiter minor-period. The current Mercury Minor-period lasts >>until September 2002. Mercury, lord of 3rd and 12th is in 8th. Mercury is >>in the constellation of Purvabhadra, whose lord is Jupiter. Transit >>Saturn, located in Taurus aspects Mercury and 8th house. The overall >>planetary geometrical relationships indicate that Mercury is somewhat >>blemished. Mercury generally denotes not mere intellect but viveka or >>wisdom. Afflicted or blemished Mercury implies that in this election >>campaign, facts and figures will be sometimes distorted and manipulated >>for the sake of getting votes. The Sarva Ashtakavarga chart indicates29, >>24, 32 and 36 dots in Ascendant, 9th, 10th and 11th houses, respectively. >>The results appropriate to a specific house will manifest if the number of >>dots exceed 30. It is important to note that the Ascendant has less than 30 >>dots. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Rahu, The King Maker or Spoiler? >>> >>> >>> Governor Bush and Vice President Gore have backgrounds that make >>them well qualified for ascending the throne in Washington. But, only one >>of them can ascend the throne and the other will have to disappear into the >>pages of history. The review of the charts of Governor Bush and Vice >>President Gore has clearly shown that Rahu plays quite a dominant role as >>far as their political future is concerned. The exalted position of Rahu >>and its operating minor-period at the time of election are the positive >>factors in the case of Bush. Though Rahu is fairly well placed in Gore¹s >>chart, Mercury, the lord of the operating minor-period is somewhat >>afflicted. The planet Rahu traditionally indicates backroom deals and >>conspiracies. The dominant role of Rahu in the two charts indicates that >>both the candidates will be involved in somewhat aggressive and >>manipulative campaigning. It will be a tough political fight and a close >>election. The Vedic astrological evaluation of the charts of the two >>candidates clearly indicates that Bush has slight edge over Gore and is >>thus favored to occupy the White House in January 2001. Before we close >>the discussion, one has to remember that the horoscope is a mere map of >>one¹s Prarabdha Karma (destiny). Planetary indications are neither >>deterministic nor absolute. As the sages and seers have clearly indicated, >>sincere human effort with the Grace of God can overcome adverse indications >>shown in an individual¹s chart. >>> >>> ================================================================= >>> >>> >>> DR. BANGALORE SURESHWARA >>> >>> >>> >>> DR. BANGALORE SURESHWARA has been actively involved for over two >>decades in the study and propagation of Hinduism and Vedic Astrology. Dr. >>Sureshwara is a regular contributor to THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE, Asia's >>leading Vedic-Astrology journal founded in 1895. The illustrious Dr. B. V. >>Raman was its Editor from 1932 to 1998. The current Editor is Mrs. Gayatri >>Devi Vasudev. Dr. Sureshwara's articles in the areas of Vedic Astrology, >>Hindu Theology, Hindu Spiritualism, Ramayana, and related areas have also >>been published in many leading journals of England, North America and >India. >>> >>> DR. SURESHWARA was the principal speaker on Vedic Astrology at The >>Second Parliament of the World's Religions held in Chicago in >>August-September 1993. His lectures and public presentations on Astrology, >>Hinduism, and Ramayana have been popular and well received. He has >>presented a series of talks on Ramayana at The Hindu Temple of Greater >>Chicago in Illinois, the largest Hindu Temple complex in North America. >>His innovative and novel approach to the study and understanding of >>Ramayana is reflected in the series of commentaries published in various >>journals. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arumugaswami >>> Visit "Today at Kauai Aadheenam" http://www.gurudeva.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>gjlist- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>gjlist- >> >> >> >> >> >> >>gjlist- >> >> >> >> >> > > >gjlist- > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 In a message dated 9/14/00 6:42:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skinbags writes: << Is George Jnr the oldest child or is there somebody else older? >> George is the eldest, but the second born, a girl, died before age 10 of leukemia. Lalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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