Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 Could somebody post a reading on the following chart in regards to marriage, emotional nature and sexual temperement. Female born 21st May 1972, 10.00 am. -7.00, 100 E 07, 15 N 41 Nakhon Sawan Thailand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 Without knowing the exact TOB, it is difficult to use the navamsha here. However, I think marriage or some relationship in the next couple of months is very possible. Mars-Rahu dasha is conducive to marriage because Mars is conjunct Venus and Rahu is in 7th. Moreover, Sat and Jup are currently transiting Taurus which is sign in which 7L Saturn is placed. Also, using directions of 3.33/yr, Venus conjuncts Pluto and 7L Saturn conjuncts 1L Moon. As for her nature, she may be somewhat highly sexed, owing to Mars and Venus conjunct and having Rahu in the 7th. As they say in Thailand, "chawk dee" (good luck) to her! Chris At 05:31 AM 8/18/00 -0000, you wrote: >Could somebody post a reading on the following chart in regards to >marriage, emotional nature and sexual temperement. > >Female born 21st May 1972, 10.00 am. >-7.00, >100 E 07, 15 N 41 >Nakhon Sawan >Thailand. > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2000 Report Share Posted August 23, 2000 Dear Skinbags: Thanks for your detailed response and interpretation. I learned a lot from it. I have taken the time to examine much of it point by point. I hope you don't find this approach too nit-picky. I just enjoy discussing basic principles sometimes. Alas, I am an incorrigible skeptic. To wit, given the rounded 10.00 am time, I must ask how accurate is her TOB? Are there some key events in her life that can be used to recitify the time eg. date of emigration to Australia? For that matter, your own TOB looks recitified to some extent (hospitals usually don't give seconds!). What was on your birth certificate? At 01:44 AM 8/23/00 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Christopher > >Your ideas on chart reading are orginal and in this case quite >accurate. I know this chart well and will give my views. Firstly >Cancer Lagna with Moon in the second house in the nakshatra of Venus >gives her great beauty. Her face is extremely beautiful. This is interesting and useful. I do not make much use of the nakshatras although I am always looking for handy ways to do so. Here's something that just struck me though. In all likelihood, the native was not considered not as beautiful in Thailand. Moon in 2nd is good for attractiveness, but Moon in first is arguably better. When you relocate the chart to Melbourne, Leo rises and Moon is in first house. Perhaps her beauty is better received in Australia. Ketu a mute >planet in the lagna makes her quiet on the surface, deep and moody. Ketu itself may be "mute" but in my experience, it doesn't necessarily make people quiet when in the first. I recall a recent client of mine who had Ketu and Saturn in Capricorn lagna. She was the opposite of quiet! She was a vivacious TV producer who lived life on the fly, without much hint of Capricornian caution, I hasten to add. So there must be other unknown factors that make a person with Ketu in the lagna moody. It might be something to do with Ketu in Cancer lagna, as you suggest, as well as having a Saturn aspect on lagna. >The Moons depositor Sun is in conjunction to Saturn showing a hard >childhood and abandonment by the Mother. > This seems a bit of a stretch to me. Can we attribute all that to simple an afflicted dispositor? ie. was everyone with Moon in Leo and Sun afflicted by Saturn abandoned by their mothers? Maybe afflicted 4L in 12H begins to show that too. In D-12, lagnesh Sun is in 12H -- not good for parental support I should think. For mother, take 4H as lagna. Scorpio is 4H and Mars is in Libra: in the 12H with the 12L Venus! Moreover, Moon is 19Pi03. This is opposite natal Uranus 21Vi13. That is another factor that supports loss or distancing of mother. >Fourth lord Venus is in the 12th house with Mars showing the Mother >was a prostitute who left her children and went and worked in foreign >countries. OK, but I take 4L in 12H to represent native's own emigration. Mother's emigration could be seen in D-12 possibly or, if using rashi, then 7th (4th from the 4th) and 3rd (4th from the 12th). Rahu is in 7th so that doesn't help mother's home, and 3rd(12th) lord Mercury is in 10th(7th) -- a perfect combination for emigration. It is also strengthened by Jupiter's aspect. Her mother is extremely aggressive as shown by Mars with >the 4th lord Venus in the nakshatra ardra, a sharp and dreadful >nakshatra. Sun and Saturn aspected by Rahu also show seperation from >the Father as he lives in Thailand and this girl lives in Australia. Good stuff. Agreed. > >This girl as far as I know is not promiscuous although Mars and Venus >are in Gemini in the 12th. Her passions are hidden and the Sun Saturn >conjunction square the Moon seems to have made her a bit conservative >in ways. I guess this is one way to look at Venus and Mars in the 12th, hidden. Still, I can't help but think that there is more there than meets the eye. Maybe in the future. Also, I hadn't considered the effect of Saturn on Moon. I was sticking to standard drishti, but it is fairly close in orb so certainly, that would have a dampening effect on her disposition and volubility (since Moon is in 2nd house of speech and 2L Sun is with Saturn) I don't know about talkativeness. Is it seen through the second house of speech? I guess other factors have to be included and as you say, Cancer isn't predisposed to chattiness. Does that make sense to you, SB? She is trying very hard not to be like her Mother although >she is very aggressive in private. In public she is very quiet and >calm and rarely speaks without prompting. This is very Cancerian. > >Rahu is in the 7th and it is aspected by Mars, Rahus depositor Saturn >is ava yogi and terrible malefic for Cancerians. Saturn is conjunct >Sun and I feel these combinations could show loss of husband or >divorce. For sure. The close Rahu aspect to the Dsc and 7L Saturn also shows foreign-born husband, as her Cambodian husband is. She plans to marry next year which makes sense as she will >finish Mars/Rahu and start Mars/Jupiter. Jupiter will be transiting >natal Venus. But Rahu is in the 7th. That should support marriage. When did she meet her fiance? Jupiter to Venus is good, but now Jupiter is aspecting 7H and Saturn is conjunct itself, 7L. So really, it's a tough call. I favour sooner rather than later using some other factors. But without the exact TOB, it's pretty hard. Here's another point in Jupiter's favour: it is rising in navamsha chart in Leo. Maybe its period will be bring marriage after all. But I would point this out too: Jupiter makes a station at 17Taurus on September 30. This will be exactly conjunct the D-9 position of 7L Saturn. I would think that around this time there will be some important developments on the love front. Also, I notice that relocated to Melbourne, her MC is at 17Taurus. Obviously, this is dependent on a correct TOB, but it's an interesting coincidence. Her fiancee was born on the 14/12/1973 in Cambodia but >I'm not sure the time. I suspect he was born in Sagitarius. > >I am a user of the outer planets also. I am very interested in your >use of the outer planets as I have been taught by a traditional >Jyotish Pundit who is a big believer in the power of these planets. You're very lucky to have found a jyotish guru who uses them. Like so many others, I am a former western astrologer who has "seen the light", so I still fully embrace them out of habit. I >have the Moon in conjunction with Uranus and Pluto in the 7th house. >Moon and Uranus are in Magha ruled by Ketu and Ketu is in the 12th >house with lagna lord Saturn. Saturn and Ketu are in Shravana which >is the Moons nakshatra. This constellation exchange seems to affect >me deeply making me obsessed with sexual energies, Kundalini and all >spiritual and occult matters. An interesting way of looking at it. What is the role played by Asc nakshatra dispositor in describing a native's basic character? In your chart, asc is in purvabhadra, ruled by Jupiter and Jupiter is in lagna. How does this affect you? Moreover, do you think that Jupiter periods then shape first house affairs such as health because of it? > >I was also born with Jupiter, Mars and Mercury in the lagna in >Aquarius. Mars and Mercury fall in the nakshatra Shatabishak ruled by >my birth yogi Rahu. Rahu falls in the Cancer in the nakshatra of >Ashleesha ruled by Mercury. Both my planets of the mind fall in >nakshatras of the nodes and are in nakshatra exchange also. > >I am in the Moon dasha which thankfully is coming to an end as I feel >like I have been going through the dark night of the soul for the >last few years. I'm sorry to hear that. At its core, astrology provides hope for the future. I often console myself with that sometimes. I suspect this is also because of Neptune transiting >my ascendent lord Saturn in the 12th house. At times I seem totally >devoid of any sense of reality or sense of self. Neptune could have this effect of course in an applying conjunction, but it is still a few degrees away from Saturn. So hard to tell just yet. Natally, Neptune is in a loose square with lagnesh Saturn and in a loose trine with lagna itself. So there is likely some erasing of boundaries of self going on, some disturbing, and I think, some that will prove to be liberating and creative. That's because Neptune is trine the Asc and with Saturn ruling the asc, the conjunction with Saturn will invoke that favourable natal configuration. At bottom, though, the natal orbs are pretty wide, so I wouldn't place undue emphasis on it. At other times I >feel so full of sexual energy I feel I am going to completely self >imoliate in a burst of flames. I would think that the D/B Moon-Venus might explain this since Venus is with 7L Sun. Highly sexed. Moreover, that 7L Sun is at 10Le21 in navamsha. That's almost exactly opposite Mars (and 8L Mercury) in rashi. Definitely would tend to heat things up for you in the loins department. I would like your opinion on my outer >planets as Pluto is coming in conjunction with my 10th house cusp. Again, these outer planet transits are tough to call. They are very slow, making their effects difficult to determine correctly. Text books will tell you about changes in career, moving, and all the rest. Perhaps these are statistically true. I haven't seen any studies to that effect. They say that Pluto was crossing Nixon's MC during Watergate. I have yet to be convinced that any simple correlates can be attached to it. FWIW, Pluto crossed my MC a couple of years ago (and for a couple of years!) and not much happened. Sure, you could say, I "changed" career focus leaving academia and spending more time on astrology, but the whole thing was a very slow, gradual process taking several years, so who could say it was Pluto that "did it"? It might also be explained by dashas. So I would say, be open to a career reorientation, and perhaps research some retraining possibilities. Are you happy with your present career circumstance? If not, then the coming couple of years, may give you a chance to change it for the better. If you are happy doing what you're doing, then this Pluto transit may not change anything. Or, as they say, it may only change your psychological approach to your work life. > >My dear old Pundit assures me things will come right in the next few >years as I will be going into Mars Dasha when Uranus moves into the >lagna in conjuntion to Jupiter, Mars and Mercury. Aries is my >navamsha lagna and Mars is in the 10th house in the navamsha with >Rahu. That sounds encouraging. I would say change is in the wind with Uranus in the lagna. Mars dasha looks really good as 10L conjunct 5L and Jupiter. My old Pundit jokes I am another Hitler according to my >navamsha chart as Mars is very strong. I do have red hair and have a >scary resemblence to Aleister Crowley with strong Martian features. > >I was born 19/03/1962 Melbourne, Australia. 05.29.30 am. Aquarius >lagna and Aries navamsha. > >I make extensive use of the navamsha chart also and are very >interested the way you look at planets in relationship between rashi >and navamsha placement. The technique I use is called the overlay or "tulya" in sankrit. I started using it because I wasn't convinced how one could read a varga chart ie. just as a rashi or not. Looking at the exact positions in varga chart and comparing them with the rashi is very useful. You can also look at the positions in the varga relative to other positions in the varga. That way, you can see connections and which planets are connected to each other. Zoran on this list mentioned them a while back, as has Andrew Foss who wrote SJS, an excellent software programme. I make extensive use of the nakshatras as my >Pundit says if you don't you are not an astrologer. Oh well, maybe I should get more serious about palm reading! :-) >One thing about the chart you read for me that also should not be overlooked is the fact that Venus falls in the navamsha of Saturn and is in exchange with Saturn. It is also afflicted by Mars. Saturn is 8th lord and ava yogi. Rahu is in the navamsha of Saturn afflicted again by Saturn by 10th house aspect. In the rashi chart Venus suffers from Papa kartari Yoga also from Saturn and Mars. Good points all. I checked a book, Practical Vedic Astrology by Agarwal, and it notes that an exchange between Venus and Saturn in navamsha is a marker for "nymphomania", as he so bluntly puts it. That might be overstated somewhat (and sexist!), but it does reinforce the other factors involving an afflicted Venus in the 12th that points to problems self-regulating sexuality. >I think generally Rahu when well placed is the best influence, especially in conjuntion or trine to Sun. The depositor of course must be well placed. We cannot look at things too superficially or on the other hand over intellectualize things. I am not a slave to the ancient texts although I respect them greatly. Environment should also be taken into account when making judgemnents especially in regards to the receptive watery rashis. They are far more impressionable and changable than the earthy or firy rashis. Airy rashis are changable but more in a nervous or mental way. Watery rashis are changable in a emotional way. >I have stated it before but will say it again that no influence of a planet should be interpreted until house and sign position, nakshatra, aspects and navamsha position are studied. Only then can the whole picture be seen. I in particular look at the depositors and the nakshatra lords to see if a planet is acting as final depositor of the planets or nakshatras. This I feel is an understated technique that should never be overlooked. After this good intuition and experience is everything. I am a more intuitive rather than technical astrologer, I see a chart very holistically, others I know can't and must work step by step. A chart must be looked at over and over again at different times. I find everytime I look at somebodies chart I can see something new. This always keeps me interested and humble as my old Pundit constantly reminds me I am a baby to astrology. That makes two of us! 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Hey Skinbags: At 12:24 PM 8/24/00 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Christopher > >I'm enjoying our chat about this chart. Your ideas and style are >similar to the very man who sent me to this group, Richard Houck, who >was sick of me emailing him to waffle on about some point of >interpretation. Me too. I guess I shouldn't be surprised; Houck has influenced me more than anyone else. But I didn't think I was turning into some sort of replicant...:-) > >Firstly the bit about Saturn with second lord Sun showing abandonment >by the Mother. This sounds simplistic until you see the Moon is in >the nakshatra of Venus and of course Venus is 4th lord in the 12th >with Mars in the nakshatra of Rahu. OK, sounds good. Mars and Mercury are in >parivartana which is extremely important as 10th lord of career goes >into the 12th of foreign countries and the 12th lord goes into the >10th. Mercury is the depositor of Mars and Venus and also the lord of >the 3rd of mental outlook and desires. I hope this clarifies that >point. Sure, 10/12 MR for overseas work. But I dont' get where you're going with Mercury and 3rd? Saturn is in tight square to Moon, natural enemies in kendra >to each other have strong aspect. Seventh lord is enemy and in hard >aspect to lagna lord. I stand by my statement of a few weeks ago that >Cancerian women in particular do better with older partners. > >As to my chart, Mars in the lagna is a very harsh position especially >for a man. All the old book traits are correct for me. I was a heavy >drinker, I swear a lot, I have a bad temper, I am hostile to my >Mother, I have been in fights, have scars all over my face, have had >guns pulled on me, have been hit with an iron bar across the head, >had my left eye almost gouged out in a fight (Saturn, Ketu in the >12th), run over by a motorbike and hit by a car, arrested many times >and locked up by the police. I haven't even had my Mars dasha yet!! Owing to its close conjunction with Mercury, I would think Mercury's periods would be Martian. > >My best mate was also born in Kumbha with Mars in the lagna and he's >the same!! He was stabbed a few years ago and locked up in Thailand a >few weeks ago for bashing an English soccer hooligan senseless. We >did karate together for years and are both very good at the old >fisticuffs. My Mars and Mercury gives me tremendous hand speed and co- >ordination. We both are of Irish decent and have the old Irish >temper. My mates Mars also aspects his Moon and Mercury as Mercury is >in his 4th house and Moon in the 8th house. (Yes, his Mother died >early.) Mars in the lagna attracts violence and accidents. I never >look for trouble it just seems to find me. > >Jupiter in the lagna makes me benevolent and friendly and bloody >lucky. I've crawled out of some nasty situations. Getting back to >more serious issues I would like your thoughts on the chart we have >been studying in relationship to me. Our nodes are in exchange and >her lagna lord falls in my 7th house and my lagna lord falls in her >7th house, This is good. To see something really amazing, compare (using exact degree positions, please) your navamsha chart with her rashi (since her TOB is not exact, her navamsha may not be useful at this point) Definitely something going on there! Moons share the same rashi and are in vasiya signs in the >navamsha. More importantly her yoni is the female rat and I am the >male Rat. How is the yoni calculated? Is it based on nakshatras as well? I haven't found all this standard vedic compatibility stuff to be very useful. Here I'm referring to yoni, vasya, dina, gana, etc. I rely more on house/planet aspects esp 1/7. I would welcome some illustrative examples from you or anyone else that showed if this stuff works. Too often, I find people head over heels with each other with 50% or less compatibility scores (according to GJ) and "0" or "1" on the yoni count. Conversely, people who ought to be interested in each other (over 80%) may be friends but that's it. Sounds like this area is ripe for some hard research. My old Pundit says as the Rat has no friends, if a male rat >comes in contact with a girl who's Moon falls in the yoni of the >female rat, he will never ever forget that women. This unfortunately >is true and I always think about her. Ah, you poor fellow. Cursed by love! This yoni kuta and vasiya kuta >is very strong and I have verified it in other charts. I've also >found women who are born in a rakshasa nakshatra (Moon) can be a bit >fiesty too. I'm naturally enough born in one myself. My old Pundit >says you should reject a marriage if the yonis are enemy animals as >this shows no sexual compatibilty. I am yet to find this incorrect in >one case. Again, maybe you could elaborate this yoni principle for me. Who is an enemy animal of whom? > >My Thai nephew called from Thailand only one hour ago to say he was >marrying a Japanese girl this week. A quick look at their charts show >his Moon yoni is male buffalo and hers is female buffalo. As her Moon >and Jupiter falls in his lagna and a few other good aspects I feel >they are a good pair. However, no matter the good aspects his chart >has Saturn in the 7th in mutual aspect to Mars in the 4th house, 7th >lord is in the 12th house. (Virgo lagna). These powerful aspects in >his chart would have me reccommending they don't get legally married >but just stay together. But what are the aspects to her chart? Time will tell if I'm right or wrong. Many >people call me and email me about their charts, I would say 80-90% >are about marriage or relationships so I am going to post a few of my >ideas about marriage, sex and matching charts in the next few days to >hear what others think. Go for it. Chris ps What about the TOB issue for this Nakhon Sawan native and are there any timed events in her life to assist with rectification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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