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Dear Zoran, Nicholas,Mu, Patrice, Myra, Ventra et al,

Thank you for all your contributions regarding KSY. The discussion was very

helpful.

Ventra... No I don't have KSY in my chart, but my step daughter has the

kalamrita yoga you mentioned. She also has a powerful Jupiter in her 10th with

the Moon, Libra rises. This is Hamsa yoga I think? Do you think this will

alleviate the negative effects of the kalamrita yoga?

DOB- May 3, 1979

Place- Denver,CO,USA

Time- 19:35

The yoga falls, as yours does I think, in the 5/11 axis. Ketu in the 5th and

Rahu in the 11th with Saturn.

What do you think/ expirience with this?

 

Sarva

 

 

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Dear Sarva and all,

 

Yes, Sarva, you are right, the exalted Jupiter in the 10th is Hamsa Yoga. As

this yoga is in the 10th this means, I think, that your step daughter will

have success/luck in her professional life. I can't say how will this

yoga influence on KSY, but this is a good yoga and it can bring good things

to a person's life. Also in this chart Sa is places together with Ra, so

this can make KSY less effective. But in general Sa/Ra is bad

conjunction. You should ask the experts about other things that can

alleviate the negative effects of KSY in your daughter's case.

 

Also Jupiter/Moon conjunction is another yoga - Gadja Keshari Yoga (also in

the 10th). This is very benefic influence. This yoga helps a person to

overcome negative influences, allows to learn something, gives the certain

status, riches. Very good for marital life. This Yoga makes the person

interested in finding of sense of life. In general this yoga is good, but if

there are negative aspects from Sa, Ma and from the lords of 6th, 8th and

12th then these people can have all their problems when they are getting

married. So these people should be extremely cautious in a choice of the

spouse. In your daughter's case Jupiter is the lord of the 6th house. I

suppose this is not good, but you should better ask someone else who can

make deep analysis.

 

If someone can add something I would be very glad to read your thinkings

too. Also if I wrote something wrong I would be very grateful if someone

could correct me. As you know I am beginner in Jyotish and I can't do deep

analysis.

 

Hope this helps,

Ventra.

 

 

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<sarva

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10 àâãóñòà 2000 ã. 19:10

[gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

 

 

> Dear Zoran, Nicholas,Mu, Patrice, Myra, Ventra et al,

> Thank you for all your contributions regarding KSY. The discussion was

very helpful.

> Ventra... No I don't have KSY in my chart, but my step daughter has the

kalamrita yoga you mentioned. She also has a powerful Jupiter in her 10th

with the Moon, Libra rises. This is Hamsa yoga I think? Do you think this

will alleviate the negative effects of the kalamrita yoga?

> DOB- May 3, 1979

> Place- Denver,CO,USA

> Time- 19:35

> The yoga falls, as yours does I think, in the 5/11 axis. Ketu in the 5th

and Rahu in the 11th with Saturn.

> What do you think/ expirience with this?

>

> Sarva

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Namaste Manoj,

 

While I can appreciate your comments, I have to say

that I must disagree with your view, that things must

be sanctioned by the classical works in order for them

to be "alright". As Light on Life points out, this

combination doesn;t have a great written about it, yet

many, many Jyotishis know of it, whether they pay any

attention to it or not.

 

Everyone knows about Kuja Dosha, even the populace of

India, yet there aren't any mention of this in BPHS,

Phaladeepika, Brihat Jatak, etc. So, just because it's

not in all of the classics, it doesn;t mean that it

isn't relevant.

 

While I have always admired the classics, I have also

come to respect my own experience, too; and to that

end, I have found that KSY, like Kuja Dosha, to be

operating in the charts of people that I know very

well. If you want, I can show these cases to you.

 

Salaam,

Mu

--- Manoj Pathak <manojpathak wrote:

> (Kala means both 'black' and 'time', and here refers

> to

> > >Ketu) and serpents (sarpa, which here refers to

> Rahu)

>

> Dear Patrice,

>

> Kala which you mention here means only time. It is

> Kal not Kala. And Kal is

> Samay or better still the wheel of time. Therefore

> dont confuse this with

> Kala (black). If you know hindi or sanskrit, it

> would be easy to follow. And

> astrologically, Saturn is Kal or Time.

>

> When none of the classics have any mention about

> this yoga, they why do we

> un-necessary stress upon such combinations. Of

> course you have to have a

> Rahu in the Chart and a Ketu in the Chart. They may

> be placed in any of the

> houses, diametrically opposite to each other and are

> there only to dispense

> destiny as destined by HIM. So please dont worry

> about them too much.

>

> Analyse this yoga also as per placement of Rahu and

> Ketu and not as Kal

> Sarpa Yoga.

>

> regards,

>

> Manoj

>

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Namaste Sarva,

 

Yes, Jupiter in the qoth will tend to alleviate or

even cancel out all other negative effects in the

chart; this is known as Aristha Bhanga, which

literally means, "to break all evils and/or

afflictions". This occurs whenevr Jupiter occupies any

of the Kendras, and some even say, that when Jupiter

occupies the Konas as well, though my own experience

leads me to think that it is in the former instance

that one can expect maximun effects.

 

In any even Jupiter in any Kendra, and in any Sign

other than its debilitation, gives rise to this yoga,

which is very good to have; it is made even more

powerful in the case of your daughter, because she has

both a Hamsa Yoga AND a Gaja-Kesari Yoga. This is, in

effect, two Raja Yogas rolled up into one, and

depedning on Jupiter's overall strength in the

Navamsa, and throughout the Varga Balas and Shad

Balas, this position can certainly mean, that your

daughter will reap more good benefits in life than

bad; this will be especially so during Jupiter's Dasa

or sub-periods.

 

I haven't looked at your daughter's chart yet, perhaps

when I get some more time I will do so, but from just

knowing what your daighter's chart details from this

letter, I can contribute this much.

 

One final thing - KSY will still be operative in her

chart, though it may not manifest in the traditional

"bad" sense; for example, it is very common for people

who have KSY, to be very interested in some aspect of

the Occult. Is she?

 

That's all for now.

 

Peace,

Mu

 

 

--- sarva wrote:

> Dear Zoran, Nicholas,Mu, Patrice, Myra, Ventra et

> al,

> Thank you for all your contributions regarding KSY.

> The discussion was very helpful.

> Ventra... No I don't have KSY in my chart, but my

> step daughter has the kalamrita yoga you mentioned.

> She also has a powerful Jupiter in her 10th with the

> Moon, Libra rises. This is Hamsa yoga I think? Do

> you think this will alleviate the negative effects

> of the kalamrita yoga?

> DOB- May 3, 1979

> Place- Denver,CO,USA

> Time- 19:35

> The yoga falls, as yours does I think, in the 5/11

> axis. Ketu in the 5th and Rahu in the 11th with

> Saturn.

> What do you think/ expirience with this?

>

> Sarva

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Namaste Patrice,

 

Excellent points that you make in your post here; and

I agree, that Light on Life is argueably the best

written, comprehensive overview of the subject of

Jyotish in the English language. I forgot to mention

to Manoj, that, according to Sri K.N. Rao, only about

30% of all knowlege in Jyotish is documented; the

other 70% or so, is in the Pamparas, or oral

traditions, and this is why I intend to journey to

India next year, Inshaallah; because I relaize, that

one can never reall master an art form like Jyotish,

from mere books alone.

 

Thanks again for your contribtution.

 

Salaam,

Mu

--- Patrice Curry <patrice.curry wrote:

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Thanks for your note. As a beginner here, I'm

> learning in leaps and bounds

> from all on the list and studying away at the books.

> My response was

> something I had just read again, and hoped it might

> answer your question

> somewhat. I find Light On Life to be really great

> for my level of learning,

> and I enjoy their writing.

>

> Kala means both 'black' and 'time', and here refers

> to

> > >Ketu) and serpents (sarpa, which here refers to

> Rahu)

>

> In the quote above, I am just quoting what they have

> written in hopes to

> help answer your question about which classics this

> material may be found

> in. I appreciate your clarifying meanings.

>

> In this book, they too state the importance of

> analysing the chart by

> placement, but also teach the yogas. They often

> express the importance of a

> Guru in learning Jyotish throughout their book, who

> is able to clarify

> things as they come up, and quote their Guru often.

>

> Thanks Manoj, and best regards,

> Patrice

>

>

 

 

 

 

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I have experienced in 'betrayal' issues concerning my

husband.? I feel so deeply wounded...not personality

wise...but deep to my very soul; My data is June 22,

1957 @1:08 PM in Providence RI. Betrayal hurts so

bad, especially when the themes get repeated over and

over. I keep finding him chating in the sex sites

(which I keep finding him lying about) and he works,

plays and literally lives in the adult entertainment

world. He wasn't always this way...its been 10 years

we are together, but everything in me wishes I never

met him, but financially...I'm in a hole...Is there a

way out? He is borne 9-22-1962 @ 1:15 PM in

Providence, RI Does any one have a job I could do

where I could find my way home financially? I work

for a home health company but medicare cutbacks have

it where I am not even making 200 a week...gross! I'm

in trouble and I am growing in disgust for him

--- Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey wrote:

> Namaste Sarva,

>

> Yes, Jupiter in the qoth will tend to alleviate or

> even cancel out all other negative effects in the

> chart; this is known as Aristha Bhanga, which

> literally means, "to break all evils and/or

> afflictions". This occurs whenevr Jupiter occupies

> any

> of the Kendras, and some even say, that when Jupiter

> occupies the Konas as well, though my own experience

> leads me to think that it is in the former instance

> that one can expect maximun effects.

>

> In any even Jupiter in any Kendra, and in any Sign

> other than its debilitation, gives rise to this

> yoga,

> which is very good to have; it is made even more

> powerful in the case of your daughter, because she

> has

> both a Hamsa Yoga AND a Gaja-Kesari Yoga. This is,

> in

> effect, two Raja Yogas rolled up into one, and

> depedning on Jupiter's overall strength in the

> Navamsa, and throughout the Varga Balas and Shad

> Balas, this position can certainly mean, that your

> daughter will reap more good benefits in life than

> bad; this will be especially so during Jupiter's

> Dasa

> or sub-periods.

>

> I haven't looked at your daughter's chart yet,

> perhaps

> when I get some more time I will do so, but from

> just

> knowing what your daighter's chart details from this

> letter, I can contribute this much.

>

> One final thing - KSY will still be operative in her

> chart, though it may not manifest in the traditional

> "bad" sense; for example, it is very common for

> people

> who have KSY, to be very interested in some aspect

> of

> the Occult. Is she?

>

> That's all for now.

>

> Peace,

> Mu

>

>

> --- sarva wrote:

> > Dear Zoran, Nicholas,Mu, Patrice, Myra, Ventra et

> > al,

> > Thank you for all your contributions regarding

> KSY.

> > The discussion was very helpful.

> > Ventra... No I don't have KSY in my chart, but my

> > step daughter has the kalamrita yoga you

> mentioned.

> > She also has a powerful Jupiter in her 10th with

> the

> > Moon, Libra rises. This is Hamsa yoga I think? Do

> > you think this will alleviate the negative effects

> > of the kalamrita yoga?

> > DOB- May 3, 1979

> > Place- Denver,CO,USA

> > Time- 19:35

> > The yoga falls, as yours does I think, in the 5/11

> > axis. Ketu in the 5th and Rahu in the 11th with

> > Saturn.

> > What do you think/ expirience with this?

> >

> > Sarva

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Manoj's linguistics points are correct only from the pedantic point of view not

the mystical . The sacred writings are full of wordplay (but more especially in

this context those belonging to what Europeans simplistically label the Tantric

tradition , which in this case I believe relates to the Dravidian source

closely) as shown for instance in the translations of Sir John Woodroffe . Om

Shanti .

 

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Orkney

 

 

 

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Thanks Zoran,

 

It was nice to hear your voice (i mean read your post, but through it I feel

we are always talking to each other).

 

You are right when you mention about the inconsistencies in the classics.

Let me clarify, the inconsistencies are not in the classics in the way we

have or the translators or commentators who have done work on that classic

have translated them or commented upon them.

 

Still, my view was that Rahu should be viewed as a malefic, right. But what

happens when this Rahu attains a trine and its dispositor is well placed in

the chart. What more do you want if such a situation exists in your chart

and this Rahu would surely prove to be a benefactor.

 

Personally, I do not lay much importance on the Kal Sarpa Yoga, what I take

into account is where is this axis located. I mean Rahu and Ketu are

covering which houses.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

 

 

>Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa

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>Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

>Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:11:45 +0200

>

>Dear Manoj,

>Glad to hear from you again. As you I suppose know, there aret

>many things unsaid in the classics, which are practicable in jyotisha.

>The other thing is that much of jyotisha literature is not translated in

>english. In my confined knowledge of jyotisha litrature, such yog was

>not mentioned in the main classics, but so are not many important

>points in jyotisha. What to say about major inconsistances found in

>classic jyotisha texts?!

>Best wishes,

>Zoran

>Manoj Pathak wrote:

>

> > can you quote any classic which says or mentions about Kal Sarpa Yoga.

> >

> > Manoj

> >

> > >"ventra" <ventra

> > >gjlist

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> > >Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

> > >Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:35:28 +0300

> > >

> > >Dear Sarva,

> > >

> > >There are two tipes of Kala Sarpa Yoga. When all planets are between

>Ketu

> > >and Rahu is called Kalam Rita Yoga (when Ketu is in the 1,2,3,4,5 or

>6th

> > >house and Rahu is in the 7,8,9,10,11, or 12th house) and it is less

>malefic

> > >than Kala Sarpa Yoga (all planets are on the other side of the axis). I

> > >have

> > >Kalam Rita Yoga in my chart.

> > >

> > >Here is my chart's info as an example:

> > >

> > >Rahu - 11th house

> > >Mars - 11th

> > >

> > >Sun - 12th

> > >

> > >Jupiter - 1st

> > >Venus - 1st

> > >Mercury -1st

> > >Saturn - 1st

> > >

> > >Moon - 2nd

> > >

> > >Ketu - 5th

> > >

> > >I have Mars with Rahu in 11th. This must be less malefic when any

>planet is

> > >together with Rahu or Ketu, or outside the axis.

> > >

> > >Do you have KSY in your chart too?

> > >

> > >Also I would be very interested to know someone's comments about this

>yoga

> > >and your question :"Are there any other configurations which modify

>this

> > >yoga?" too.

> > >

> > >Thanks and Best Wishes!

> > >Ventra.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >-

> > ><sarva

> > ><gjlist >

> > >8 àâãóñòà 2000 ã. 19:17

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> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear list members,

> > > > Can someone tell me which side of the Rahu/Ketu axis all the

>planets

> > >must

> > >stand on to be consisered kala sarpa yoga? Are there any other

> > >configurations which modify this yoga? Thanks.

> > > > Sarva

> > > >

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Namaste Mu Mian,

 

To disagree is your prerogative and I cant help it. Disagreement is a sign

of growth provided it is positive and constructive. Disagreeing for the sake

of disagreement could be a negative tendency, which I am happy is not

present in your note.

 

Regarding you views, I would give my frank views here :

 

Kuja Dosha or Mangala Dosha. Yes, there is no mention, but if you read books

on Muhurta, Muhurta Chintamani, Muhurta Martand, Muhurta Paarijaat, you

would find its mention invariably there. But this does not mean that I am

according sanctity to Mangala Dosha.

 

If you look at the placements of Mars to give rise to Mangala Dosha, you

would find that this Mars afflicts the houses related to marriage and

because of the intrinsic malefic qualities of Mars, astrologers have been

scary of these particular placements of Mars. What happens, if Saturn or

Rahu occupy these positions ? Do we mean to say, they would not spoil

marriage in such cases, they would if they are qualified to do it.

 

So, as I have been often saying, never look at anything singularly, have a

total view. We often talk of Yogas, but never have we talked about Yoga

Bhanga or Yoga cancellation.

 

Imagine a time when Jupiter is transitting through Cancer. During that year,

every day in Four Lagnas we would have Mahapurushas taking birth, does it

happen in reality. You find a Mahapurusha, perhaps, once in a century.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

 

 

>Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey

>gjlist

>gjlist

>Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

>Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:19 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Namaste Manoj,

>

>While I can appreciate your comments, I have to say

>that I must disagree with your view, that things must

>be sanctioned by the classical works in order for them

>to be "alright". As Light on Life points out, this

>combination doesn;t have a great written about it, yet

>many, many Jyotishis know of it, whether they pay any

>attention to it or not.

>

>Everyone knows about Kuja Dosha, even the populace of

>India, yet there aren't any mention of this in BPHS,

>Phaladeepika, Brihat Jatak, etc. So, just because it's

>not in all of the classics, it doesn;t mean that it

>isn't relevant.

>

>While I have always admired the classics, I have also

>come to respect my own experience, too; and to that

>end, I have found that KSY, like Kuja Dosha, to be

>operating in the charts of people that I know very

>well. If you want, I can show these cases to you.

>

>Salaam,

>Mu

>--- Manoj Pathak <manojpathak wrote:

> > (Kala means both 'black' and 'time', and here refers

> > to

> > > >Ketu) and serpents (sarpa, which here refers to

> > Rahu)

> >

> > Dear Patrice,

> >

> > Kala which you mention here means only time. It is

> > Kal not Kala. And Kal is

> > Samay or better still the wheel of time. Therefore

> > dont confuse this with

> > Kala (black). If you know hindi or sanskrit, it

> > would be easy to follow. And

> > astrologically, Saturn is Kal or Time.

> >

> > When none of the classics have any mention about

> > this yoga, they why do we

> > un-necessary stress upon such combinations. Of

> > course you have to have a

> > Rahu in the Chart and a Ketu in the Chart. They may

> > be placed in any of the

> > houses, diametrically opposite to each other and are

> > there only to dispense

> > destiny as destined by HIM. So please dont worry

> > about them too much.

> >

> > Analyse this yoga also as per placement of Rahu and

> > Ketu and not as Kal

> > Sarpa Yoga.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Manoj

> >

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Dear Martin,

 

The words dont lose their meanings whether you understand them in pedantic

or mystical point of views.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

 

 

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>Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

>Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:45:07 +0100

>

>Manoj's linguistics points are correct only from the pedantic point of view

>not the mystical . The sacred writings are full of wordplay (but more

>especially in this context those belonging to what Europeans simplistically

>label the Tantric tradition , which in this case I believe relates to the

>Dravidian source closely) as shown for instance in the translations of Sir

>John Woodroffe . Om Shanti .

>

>Martin Howe

>KIRKWALL

>Orkney

>

>

>

>

 

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Hmmmmmmm.............

 

Salaam,

Mu

--- Manoj Pathak <manojpathak wrote:

> Namaste Mu Mian,

>

> To disagree is your prerogative and I cant help it.

> Disagreement is a sign

> of growth provided it is positive and constructive.

> Disagreeing for the sake

> of disagreement could be a negative tendency, which

> I am happy is not

> present in your note.

>

> Regarding you views, I would give my frank views

> here :

>

> Kuja Dosha or Mangala Dosha. Yes, there is no

> mention, but if you read books

> on Muhurta, Muhurta Chintamani, Muhurta Martand,

> Muhurta Paarijaat, you

> would find its mention invariably there. But this

> does not mean that I am

> according sanctity to Mangala Dosha.

>

> If you look at the placements of Mars to give rise

> to Mangala Dosha, you

> would find that this Mars afflicts the houses

> related to marriage and

> because of the intrinsic malefic qualities of Mars,

> astrologers have been

> scary of these particular placements of Mars. What

> happens, if Saturn or

> Rahu occupy these positions ? Do we mean to say,

> they would not spoil

> marriage in such cases, they would if they are

> qualified to do it.

>

> So, as I have been often saying, never look at

> anything singularly, have a

> total view. We often talk of Yogas, but never have

> we talked about Yoga

> Bhanga or Yoga cancellation.

>

> Imagine a time when Jupiter is transitting through

> Cancer. During that year,

> every day in Four Lagnas we would have Mahapurushas

> taking birth, does it

> happen in reality. You find a Mahapurusha, perhaps,

> once in a century.

>

> regards,

>

> Manoj

>

>

> >Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey

> >gjlist

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> >Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

> >Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:19 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Namaste Manoj,

> >

> >While I can appreciate your comments, I have to say

> >that I must disagree with your view, that things

> must

> >be sanctioned by the classical works in order for

> them

> >to be "alright". As Light on Life points out, this

> >combination doesn;t have a great written about it,

> yet

> >many, many Jyotishis know of it, whether they pay

> any

> >attention to it or not.

> >

> >Everyone knows about Kuja Dosha, even the populace

> of

> >India, yet there aren't any mention of this in

> BPHS,

> >Phaladeepika, Brihat Jatak, etc. So, just because

> it's

> >not in all of the classics, it doesn;t mean that it

> >isn't relevant.

> >

> >While I have always admired the classics, I have

> also

> >come to respect my own experience, too; and to that

> >end, I have found that KSY, like Kuja Dosha, to be

> >operating in the charts of people that I know very

> >well. If you want, I can show these cases to you.

> >

> >Salaam,

> >Mu

> >--- Manoj Pathak <manojpathak wrote:

> > > (Kala means both 'black' and 'time', and here

> refers

> > > to

> > > > >Ketu) and serpents (sarpa, which here refers

> to

> > > Rahu)

> > >

> > > Dear Patrice,

> > >

> > > Kala which you mention here means only time. It

> is

> > > Kal not Kala. And Kal is

> > > Samay or better still the wheel of time.

> Therefore

> > > dont confuse this with

> > > Kala (black). If you know hindi or sanskrit, it

> > > would be easy to follow. And

> > > astrologically, Saturn is Kal or Time.

> > >

> > > When none of the classics have any mention about

> > > this yoga, they why do we

> > > un-necessary stress upon such combinations. Of

> > > course you have to have a

> > > Rahu in the Chart and a Ketu in the Chart. They

> may

> > > be placed in any of the

> > > houses, diametrically opposite to each other and

> are

> > > there only to dispense

> > > destiny as destined by HIM. So please dont worry

> > > about them too much.

> > >

> > > Analyse this yoga also as per placement of Rahu

> and

> > > Ketu and not as Kal

> > > Sarpa Yoga.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Manoj

> > >

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Dear Manoj : by pedantic I primarily mean assuming a one-to-one relationship

that fails to take into account additional overtones from the culture that uses

those words i.e words as they are used in real-life gain strength from similar

concepts and from similar sounding words that inform the author's use of those

words . Black is not only a colour but also a group of concepts , and wordplay

must also be taken into account if we are truly to bring the ancient texts to

life . The text does not exist in a vacuum , the author isn't usually a

grammarian

 

 

Martin Howe

KIRKWALL

Orkney

 

 

 

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namastae!

 

I just came across a site where you can find some info.

on "kaala sarpa yoega". If interested you can take a look at

 

http://.jyotishsoft.hypermart.net/dharma/devi/htm.

 

click on the "free lessons" and among the list of articles listed on

the side you can find a couple of them on kaalasarpa yoega also.

 

Hope it helps in some way....

 

 

with regards,

suprabha

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj,

 

> It was nice to hear your voice (i mean read your post, but through it I feel

> we are always talking to each other).

>

 

That is exactly what I've felt so far..

 

>

> You are right when you mention about the inconsistencies in the classics.

> Let me clarify, the inconsistencies are not in the classics in the way we

> have or the translators or commentators who have done work on that classic

> have translated them or commented upon them.

>

 

Agree. But we still need major trunk of vedic literature translated in English.

Don't you agree?

 

> Still, my view was that Rahu should be viewed as a malefic, right. But what

> happens when this Rahu attains a trine and its dispositor is well placed in

> the chart. What more do you want if such a situation exists in your chart

> and this Rahu would surely prove to be a benefactor.

>

 

I agree that Rahu can be a great benefit in a chart, when well placed. There is

no doubt in that.

 

> Personally, I do not lay much importance on the Kal Sarpa Yoga, what I take

> into account is where is this axis located. I mean Rahu and Ketu are

> covering which houses.

>

 

OK. Would you like me to post a chart which is not more afflicted than an

avarage

chart. However, the person had such a life that is hardy to imagine. There is

ONE

major bad yoga that destroyed person's life. You will meet with terrible

obstacles to

scrutinize person's life with ordinary planetary assesment. I agree that in KSY

nodal

axis is very important, but you will see that in some charts, yogas give

extraordinary

good or bad effects.

Best wishes,

Zoran

[Guest guest]

Yes, Zoran, you are right. I view Yogas as the manifestation of Prarabdh

(Part of the karma-results) which have been allocated for use in this birth.

So yogas only reveal the level of attainment in the chart and coupled with

the dasha it gives the time of manifestation also.

 

Yea, please post the chart.

 

Manoj

 

 

>Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa

>gjlist

>gjlist

>Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

>Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:58:01 +0200

>

>Dear Manoj,

>

> > It was nice to hear your voice (i mean read your post, but through it I

>feel

> > we are always talking to each other).

> >

>

>That is exactly what I've felt so far..

>

> >

> > You are right when you mention about the inconsistencies in the

>classics.

> > Let me clarify, the inconsistencies are not in the classics in the way

>we

> > have or the translators or commentators who have done work on that

>classic

> > have translated them or commented upon them.

> >

>

>Agree. But we still need major trunk of vedic literature translated in

>English.

>Don't you agree?

>

> > Still, my view was that Rahu should be viewed as a malefic, right. But

>what

> > happens when this Rahu attains a trine and its dispositor is well placed

>in

> > the chart. What more do you want if such a situation exists in your

>chart

> > and this Rahu would surely prove to be a benefactor.

> >

>

>I agree that Rahu can be a great benefit in a chart, when well placed.

>There is

>no doubt in that.

>

> > Personally, I do not lay much importance on the Kal Sarpa Yoga, what I

>take

> > into account is where is this axis located. I mean Rahu and Ketu are

> > covering which houses.

> >

>

>OK. Would you like me to post a chart which is not more afflicted than an

>avarage

>chart. However, the person had such a life that is hardy to imagine. There

>is

>ONE

>major bad yoga that destroyed person's life. You will meet with terrible

>obstacles to

>scrutinize person's life with ordinary planetary assesment. I agree that in

>KSY

>nodal

>axis is very important, but you will see that in some charts, yogas give

>extraordinary

>good or bad effects.

>Best wishes,

>Zoran

>

>

>

 

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Hello Manoj,

 

My version of BPHS covers Kuja dosha under the chapter on female

horoscopy. The cancellation of kuja dosha occurs here, when the

planet is aspected by a benefic. Or there is an equal yoga in the

partner's chart. So there is yoga bhanga twice mentioned. However I

realize that my copy of BPHS may be different from yours.

 

As to Kala Sarpa yoga, Bhrigu mentions that the enclosure of the

planets between malefics is very bad, especially if Rahu is one of

them.

 

Alex

 

gjlist , "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote:

> Namaste Mu Mian,

>

> To disagree is your prerogative and I cant help it. Disagreement is

a sign

> of growth provided it is positive and constructive. Disagreeing for

the sake

> of disagreement could be a negative tendency, which I am happy is

not

> present in your note.

>

> Regarding you views, I would give my frank views here :

>

> Kuja Dosha or Mangala Dosha. Yes, there is no mention, but if you

read books

> on Muhurta, Muhurta Chintamani, Muhurta Martand, Muhurta Paarijaat,

you

> would find its mention invariably there. But this does not mean

that I am

> according sanctity to Mangala Dosha.

>

> If you look at the placements of Mars to give rise to Mangala

Dosha, you

> would find that this Mars afflicts the houses related to marriage

and

> because of the intrinsic malefic qualities of Mars, astrologers

have been

> scary of these particular placements of Mars. What happens, if

Saturn or

> Rahu occupy these positions ? Do we mean to say, they would not

spoil

> marriage in such cases, they would if they are qualified to do it.

>

> So, as I have been often saying, never look at anything singularly,

have a

> total view. We often talk of Yogas, but never have we talked about

Yoga

> Bhanga or Yoga cancellation.

>

> Imagine a time when Jupiter is transitting through Cancer. During

that year,

> every day in Four Lagnas we would have Mahapurushas taking birth,

does it

> happen in reality. You find a Mahapurusha, perhaps, once in a

century.

>

> regards,

>

> Manoj

>

>

> >Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey>

> >gjlist

> >gjlist

> >Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

> >Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:19 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Namaste Manoj,

> >

> >While I can appreciate your comments, I have to say

> >that I must disagree with your view, that things must

> >be sanctioned by the classical works in order for them

> >to be "alright". As Light on Life points out, this

> >combination doesn;t have a great written about it, yet

> >many, many Jyotishis know of it, whether they pay any

> >attention to it or not.

> >

> >Everyone knows about Kuja Dosha, even the populace of

> >India, yet there aren't any mention of this in BPHS,

> >Phaladeepika, Brihat Jatak, etc. So, just because it's

> >not in all of the classics, it doesn;t mean that it

> >isn't relevant.

> >

> >While I have always admired the classics, I have also

> >come to respect my own experience, too; and to that

> >end, I have found that KSY, like Kuja Dosha, to be

> >operating in the charts of people that I know very

> >well. If you want, I can show these cases to you.

> >

> >Salaam,

> >Mu

> >--- Manoj Pathak <manojpathak@h...> wrote:

> > > (Kala means both 'black' and 'time', and here refers

> > > to

> > > > >Ketu) and serpents (sarpa, which here refers to

> > > Rahu)

> > >

> > > Dear Patrice,

> > >

> > > Kala which you mention here means only time. It is

> > > Kal not Kala. And Kal is

> > > Samay or better still the wheel of time. Therefore

> > > dont confuse this with

> > > Kala (black). If you know hindi or sanskrit, it

> > > would be easy to follow. And

> > > astrologically, Saturn is Kal or Time.

> > >

> > > When none of the classics have any mention about

> > > this yoga, they why do we

> > > un-necessary stress upon such combinations. Of

> > > course you have to have a

> > > Rahu in the Chart and a Ketu in the Chart. They may

> > > be placed in any of the

> > > houses, diametrically opposite to each other and are

> > > there only to dispense

> > > destiny as destined by HIM. So please dont worry

> > > about them too much.

> > >

> > > Analyse this yoga also as per placement of Rahu and

> > > Ketu and not as Kal

> > > Sarpa Yoga.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Manoj

> > >

>

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Dear Manoj

I agree with Zoran .The yogas can put the finishing touches to the chart .

Beginners however should first learn to identify the strengths and

weaknesses of the planets. If yogas were not important sage Parasara would

not have gone to so much trouble to elaborate on them

 

 

 

I agree that Rahu can be a great benefit in a chart, when well placed.

There is

no doubt in that.

 

Rahu can give worldly boons but at the same time he will wreak havoc. For

example Hitler became a world conqueror during Rahu mahadasha .Rahu is not

spiritually evolved .

 

OK. Would you like me to post a chart which is not more afflicted than an

avarage

chart. However, the person had such a life that is hardy to imagine. There

is

ONE

major bad yoga that destroyed person's life. You will meet with terrible

obstacles to

scrutinize person's life with ordinary planetary assesment. I agree that in

KSY

nodal

axis is very important, but you will see that in some charts, yogas give

extraordinary

good or bad effects.

 

Please present the chart.

Nicholas

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<http://click./1/7746/1/_/913692/_/966217916/>

 

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Dear Costa,

 

> Rahu can give worldly boons but at the same time he will wreak havoc. For

> example Hitler became a world conqueror during Rahu mahadasha .Rahu is not

> spiritually evolved .

>

 

You are completely right, about rahu. There is only one special exception.

When rahu becomes atmakarak, and is placed in 12th house from arudha

lagna, the sage is born, as the case is with Shri Ramakrishna. The atmakarak

which is the king of the chart, has a sole purpose, to cleanse the soul from

its

sins, thus rahu will reject the fruit of materialism. If placed in 12th house

from

arudha lagna(loss) the person's direction of life(arudha lagna) rejects the

fruits

of materialism and he/she becomes very spiritual. It is also the case when rahu

 

is placed in 7th house from arudha lagna( marak place) while ketu at the same

time being placed in arudha lagna, turns the direction of life towards moksha.

 

> Please present the chart.

> Nicholas

 

It has been sent. Try to see some bad yoga in the chart.

Best wishes,

Zoran

[Guest guest]

Dear Zoran,

 

I have Rahu in the 12th from Arudha Lagna. I also have my Lagna lord in the

12th House. And I can tell you the material world does not please me even

though I live in the lap of luxury. My Atmakarak is Venus placed in his own

house in Libra in the 9th house. In case you want to study further, here are

my details:

 

DOB: 7/26/45, 12:46:18 PM (DST On); Navsari (20N51, 72E55), India.

 

Thought this might help you confirm what you said. Also my daughter (older

child) has Rahu in the 7th (along with Jupiter in Mooltrikona) with Ketu in

Lagna! She too is very spiritual.

 

Prakash

 

Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa]

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 7:49 PM

gjlist

Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

 

 

Dear Costa,

 

> Rahu can give worldly boons but at the same time he will wreak havoc.

For

> example Hitler became a world conqueror during Rahu mahadasha .Rahu is

not

> spiritually evolved .

>

 

You are completely right, about rahu. There is only one special exception.

When rahu becomes atmakarak, and is placed in 12th house from arudha

lagna, the sage is born, as the case is with Shri Ramakrishna. The

atmakarak

which is the king of the chart, has a sole purpose, to cleanse the soul

from

its

sins, thus rahu will reject the fruit of materialism. If placed in 12th

house

from

arudha lagna(loss) the person's direction of life(arudha lagna) rejects

the

fruits

of materialism and he/she becomes very spiritual. It is also the case when

rahu

 

is placed in 7th house from arudha lagna( marak place) while ketu at the

same

time being placed in arudha lagna, turns the direction of life towards

moksha.

 

> Please present the chart.

> Nicholas

 

It has been sent. Try to see some bad yoga in the chart.

Best wishes,

Zoran

 

 

 

 

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Dear Prakash,

 

> I have Rahu in the 12th from Arudha Lagna. I also have my Lagna lord in the

> 12th House. And I can tell you the material world does not please me even

> though I live in the lap of luxury. My Atmakarak is Venus placed in his own

> house in Libra in the 9th house.

 

Those having shukra and their tigh(9th) house will never lose Lakshmi, so you

are a perfect example. Rahu is very well placed in 10th house in debility for

spiritual life. Actually check your arudha lagna. Kumbha is ruled by two lords

rahu and shani. Find arudha from a stronger. In any case, if rahu is stronger,

then it is placed in 7th from arudha lagna, thus confirming high level of

spirituality. Atmakarak in 9th house in own sign is very well placed. For a good

living and smooth spiritual journey, atmakarak should be fortified in the chart,

being placed in kendra/kona.

 

> In case you want to study further, here are

> my details:

>

> DOB: 7/26/45, 12:46:18 PM (DST On); Navsari (20N51, 72E55), India.

>

 

Thank you

 

>

> Thought this might help you confirm what you said. Also my daughter (older

> child) has Rahu in the 7th (along with Jupiter in Mooltrikona) with Ketu in

> Lagna! She too is very spiritual.

 

You are a lucky person, then..

Best wishes,

Zoran

[Guest guest]

Dear Prakash

Hope you don't mind my taking a peek at your horoscope...what you said regarding

the material world not pleasing you although you live in the lap of luxury

intrigued me.

Not surprising to find you have atma karaka (Ketu) in the 4th house...without

doubt he will give true detachment to material comforts.

Jupiter in lagna (as dispositor of Ketu) gives a very spiritual nature.

 

Regards

Wendy

-

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gjlist

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 11:43 AM

RE: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

 

 

Dear Zoran,

 

I have Rahu in the 12th from Arudha Lagna. I also have my Lagna lord in the

12th House. And I can tell you the material world does not please me even

though I live in the lap of luxury. My Atmakarak is Venus placed in his own

house in Libra in the 9th house. In case you want to study further, here are

my details:

 

DOB: 7/26/45, 12:46:18 PM (DST On); Navsari (20N51, 72E55), India.

 

Thought this might help you confirm what you said. Also my daughter (older

child) has Rahu in the 7th (along with Jupiter in Mooltrikona) with Ketu in

Lagna! She too is very spiritual.

 

Prakash

 

Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa]

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 7:49 PM

gjlist

Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

 

 

Dear Costa,

 

> Rahu can give worldly boons but at the same time he will wreak havoc.

For

> example Hitler became a world conqueror during Rahu mahadasha .Rahu is

not

> spiritually evolved .

>

 

You are completely right, about rahu. There is only one special exception.

When rahu becomes atmakarak, and is placed in 12th house from arudha

lagna, the sage is born, as the case is with Shri Ramakrishna. The

atmakarak

which is the king of the chart, has a sole purpose, to cleanse the soul

from

its

sins, thus rahu will reject the fruit of materialism. If placed in 12th

house

from

arudha lagna(loss) the person's direction of life(arudha lagna) rejects

the

fruits

of materialism and he/she becomes very spiritual. It is also the case when

rahu

 

is placed in 7th house from arudha lagna( marak place) while ketu at the

same

time being placed in arudha lagna, turns the direction of life towards

moksha.

 

> Please present the chart.

> Nicholas

 

It has been sent. Try to see some bad yoga in the chart.

Best wishes,

Zoran

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Zoran,

 

What happens when atmakaraka (most advanced planet in longitude) is in

kendra but happens to be a functional malefic (rules trika houses etc.)?

 

In above situation, would there be further difference if the atmakarak is a

natural malefic as opposed to a natural benefic (saturn instead of jupiter)?

 

What could be the rationale behind the planet that has travelled the most in

a given sign in a chart as being so important in spiritual and other

matters? I realize this is one of the mainstays of Jaimini/Parashari systems

but haven't heard anyone give a good reasoning for this consideration. If

there is any.

 

MK

 

 

 

 

 

>Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa

>gjlist

>gjlist

>Re: [gjlist] kala sarpa yoga

>Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:52:06 +0200

>

>Dear Prakash,

>

> > I have Rahu in the 12th from Arudha Lagna. I also have my Lagna lord in

>the

> > 12th House. And I can tell you the material world does not please me

>even

> > though I live in the lap of luxury. My Atmakarak is Venus placed in his

>own

> > house in Libra in the 9th house.

>

>Those having shukra and their tigh(9th) house will never lose Lakshmi, so

>you

>are a perfect example. Rahu is very well placed in 10th house in debility

>for

>spiritual life. Actually check your arudha lagna. Kumbha is ruled by two

>lords

>rahu and shani. Find arudha from a stronger. In any case, if rahu is

>stronger,

>then it is placed in 7th from arudha lagna, thus confirming high level of

>spirituality. Atmakarak in 9th house in own sign is very well placed. For a

>good

>living and smooth spiritual journey, atmakarak should be fortified in the

>chart,

>being placed in kendra/kona.

>

> > In case you want to study further, here are

> > my details:

> >

> > DOB: 7/26/45, 12:46:18 PM (DST On); Navsari (20N51, 72E55), India.

> >

>

>Thank you

>

> >

> > Thought this might help you confirm what you said. Also my daughter

>(older

> > child) has Rahu in the 7th (along with Jupiter in Mooltrikona) with Ketu

>in

> > Lagna! She too is very spiritual.

>

>You are a lucky person, then..

>Best wishes,

>Zoran

>

>

 

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Dear Manas Kumar,

 

> What happens when atmakaraka (most advanced planet in longitude) is in

> kendra but happens to be a functional malefic (rules trika houses etc.)?

 

The houses ruled by atmakarak, as well as padas ruled by it gain special

significance in person's life. Atmakarak in dushtana can mar the chart, and

even if placed in dustana in navamsa, can give a disease right from birth..

 

>

> In above situation, would there be further difference if the atmakarak is a

> natural malefic as opposed to a natural benefic (saturn instead of jupiter)?

 

Of course, rahu as atmakarak can give a diabolic nature or a saint. Saturn makes

 

one traditional, and serious etc.. Whether a malefic or a benefic, atmakarak is

there to

punish the soul and cleanse it on spiritual journey. Benefic does it in a milder

way,

while malefic does it cruel.

 

>

> What could be the rationale behind the planet that has travelled the most in

> a given sign in a chart as being so important in spiritual and other

> matters? I realize this is one of the mainstays of Jaimini/Parashari systems

> but haven't heard anyone give a good reasoning for this consideration. If

> there is any.

 

There must be any. I suppose, that graha that traversed the greatest degree in

the

sign(surya division) has the most mature soul. Eightfold division is essential

in

charkarakas. It is supported by both Jaimini and Parashara. We all take a birth

as

sinners, due to our bad karma( we haven't achieved moksha and thus take a

birth).

The same principle of 8 grahas is seen in Kaalchakra(the wheel of time) where

only

grahas from surya to rahu are taken, leaving ketu mokshakarak. The tithi of the

vedic

Month is also based on eightfold division. Thus, charkarakas are responsible for

taking

birth and punishment due to a bad karma and our spiritual growth. Atmakarak that

has

traversed the highest degree is the soul indicator leading the existance of

human being,

When the atmakarak has entered the pisces navamsa( the navamsa of the last sign)

the

native is said to attain moskha(of course if other indicators are there),

Parashara noted

about the essential strength of atmakarak, giving it preference to other grahas.

Also,

Atmakarak has a deciding role in determing whether the native will attain

moskha, or

ishtadevata of the chart. Therfore, the navamsa(dharma) postion of atmakrak is

known

as karakamsa, and 12th house from it is the gate for spiritual liberation.

Best wishes,

Zoran

[Guest guest]

At 10:01 AM 8/16/00, you wrote:

 

 

> > What happens when atmakaraka (most advanced planet in longitude) is in

> > kendra but happens to be a functional malefic (rules trika houses etc.)?

>

>The houses ruled by atmakarak, as well as padas ruled by it gain special

>significance in person's life. Atmakarak in dushtana can mar the chart, and

>even if placed in dustana in navamsa, can give a disease right from birth..

 

Dear Zoran

\Does the special significance of atmakarak lessen due to malefic influence?

What the affect is if atmakarak rules 9th house and is well placed, in

10th house, yet the 9th house is aspected by malefics , ie: rahu in 9th,

saturn and ketu in 3rd.

Thanks for your time.

Marcia

 

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy,

 

> Not surprising to find you have atma karaka (Ketu) in the 4th house...without

 

Ketu cannot be atmakaraka. I suppose its a slip of the tongue.

Best wishes,

Zoran