Guest guest Posted June 26, 2000 Report Share Posted June 26, 2000 In a message dated 06/26/2000 8:41:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: << Getting close to other people they feed off the information the other persons personality and life provide, and then they dream on that, then they pull back to their own reality. This is very tiring, hence Ketu causes people ultimately to recluse to avoid the stimulation of contact. >> . Hi Das, thanks for your analysis. What you're saying here is very similar to the analysis of a person whose Western chart shows a badly afflicted, but strong Neptune; a perpetual identity crisis based on an underdeveloped Self, and you are absolutely right. But here's the problem I have: Everyone does this. Everyone bases their self-perception on their environment. We're not born with identities, they are created for us by the world we inhabit. So a person percieves himself to be outgoing or introverted, good at Chess, say, because he wins a lot, successful because he is his big house or his beautiful wife, his job or his good looks. Of course, this is completely illusory, because none of those things are really there, they are invented, interpretive signals that tell him how to act, and these socialized signals are what tell us how to behave towards him. He is the Boss, for example, he is Dad. Self-concept and self-perception drives everything he does, an illusion fueling another illusion, a picture of the future or of the past...neither of these things exist either. There is no difference between Dad or Boss or House or Car, or Sales Rep or Beauty Queen, they're all just mind-pictures, either personal or collective illusions. Reality in many ways is completely arbitrary, based on sensory input and conditioning. So when I do this...what you call "feeding off of other people's personalities", it is the only way for me to understand what is expected of me. I have to understand the entire illusion of where I am. I am not doing this so much for myself or my own survival; I'm doing it because I feel responsible for other people's feelings and I want to tread carefully around their illusions, since this is what they are most attached to, this is where they are driven by love. I worry I am going to ruin everything for them if I can't see the terrific picture they made. I want to participate in the picture and make others happy, since I already know my destiny, which is to be dead. This is, as a matter of fact, how I seem to end up thrown into managerial positions and other weird situations in which people think I know things that I really do not, much to my immense terror and surprise. Or to put it more succinctly, there is something i do know that is true, but I can't tell them this particular thing because it would ruin everything for them. I can't say, you know, none of this is real, you are working through a pattern and once it falls away you won't even remember why any of this is important because you will be nothing once again, just a bright unending in a sea of endlessness. ? I guess that's Ketu. Love, Vox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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