Idiot Astronomoron Speaks

[Guest guest]

The other night, our friend Jerrerey Armstrong (Vedic Astrologer) was on

"Exploring the Unknown" on Fox Family network. This show covered him

doing charts in a test situation. He did very well. They gave him 77%

accuracy for all statements made, and it was a strictly controlled

situation. It was supposed to be a "skeptical" situation, so he did well.

 

Anyway, they had some astronomer chap from Griffith Observatory throw in

his hatred for astrology as part of the show.

 

He basically said Astrology is BS- "it's just psychology at best,

because the planets have NOTHING TO DO with our lives here on Earth".

 

I wonder what he thinks about the fact that everyone tends to wake up

each day when the Sun is conjunct the lagna, that more people suffer

mental diseases at key points in the Moon's cycle each month, that the

tides rise as do the waters in us by the Moon's cycle, etc.

 

By the way folks, please note Ekadashi Tithis. Try watching and seeing

if you don't have your most passionate, hard working, or headache

causing days on Ekadashi Tithi, which happens twice a month (When the

moon is a 120 deg trine ahead of the Sun). Just watch for it please. On

this day the waters in you are highest, causing for me, the BEST WORK

DAYS of the month, without fail. I tend to get more done. Please check

it out. The Moon is causing all the "waters in you" to rise up just like

the tides.

 

(A side note: In India, since forever, this is the Lunar day reserved

for worshipping Vishnu, and on this day Vaisnavas fast from grains, to

curb somewhat the Rajas that this causes in us, so as to maintain the

balance of Sattva, and be thus more able to serve Vishnu, since Rajas is

anti that in essence.)

 

They had a "reformed astrologer" on the show, some very young woman

(blonde) who was telling that astrology is BS. She had "seen the light"

and realized astrology was empty and baseless, just a way for crafty

people to manipulate others minds. I can tell by looking at her that she

had the brains of a bimbo-she looked like "Britains Spears" or such.

There's no way she could be an astrologer. No wonder she saw only darkness.

 

In any case, you can see that Western babble hasn't helped, by comparing

itself so often to psychology, and by not having much accuracy due to

having lost the zodiac, and not having revealed dashas, too many

aspects, and no spiritual requirements or connections. Note: back when

the Greeks mingled with Vedic folks, the two zodiacs were alinged. Ding.

They were'nt wrong, THEN. But nowadays, hmmm, 76% wrong signs, what to

speak of degree positions- all wrong.

 

I don't think people would feel this way if real Jyotish-serious persons

were ALL THERE EVER WAS as "astrologers". I often get calls from Western

Astrologers who are playing with Vedic, or converting. Most can't say

they were on the wrong track. Most cannot say that. But you lose nothing

when going Vedic, and gain alot, but they cannot admit that. I have

attachments too. But a lemon is a lemon.

 

The other day I got a call from a real honest lady, because her chart is

"hard", with Ketu conjunct lagna in Gemini, and Moon in Scorpio, and

everything else in the 8th, type of chart... so anyway, she had little

to lie about, and simply said "I can't believe I've spent or wasted all

this time on Western astrology when Vedic is so much more aligned with

the truth and cosmos".

 

Oh well.

 

As Bhaktivinode said:

 

"Forget the past which sleeps,

and never the future dream at all,

but act in times that are with thee,

and progress thee shall call".

 

I realize however that Vedic is hard to understand for most people,

because it is heavily Hindu, and there is NOT a lot of books on it yet

which are CLEAR to the non-Hindu familiar Western reader. I realize

that. It makes me nervous daily- to create more material etc. I was

benefitted by being fully Hindu and having already studied lots of Hindu

books, had been to India 4 times, etc., before I ever touched Jyotish.

That helped a great deal. I realize most do not have this training.

 

Jyotish is superior, and Astrology's current low status in the West is

only attributable to it's incredibly low accuracy as practiced here with

the complex houses, incorrect zodiac, too many aspects, too many

planets, too many asteroids, too many invented (concocted by imperfect

human) techniques, too much commercialization etc etc. Basically, off

base and watered down.

 

"What's your sign". Newspapers (Mercury doing it's non-commital damage

as usual) have done the most damage with these stupid sun sign columns.

No serious astrologer should write such crap. Rob Brezny and others who

do these columns should stop. It's simply BAD for the Divine Sciences to

belittle them in this way. This is not SERVICE or SEVA, it's OFFENSIVE.

There should be NO astrologer willing to write such stuff, which seems

to divide all humans into 12 predictively grouped entities. Simply

RIDICULE-US, is what that is. Causes our science to be ridiculed.

 

Then there's companies selling packages of crap like Bath Oils, Soaps,

etc., based on your 'Sun Sign', which is too simple to begin with, and

then to top that they tell you your wrong sign 76% of the time (the

amount the Tropical Zodiac is "off" from the real zodiac at this time).

 

"Anything for a buck from the untrained masses" is the Vaisya motto, and

Vaisyas are BARRED by Veda from being Jyotishis.(Vaisya means the

"mercantile class" of humans- read: anyone who thinks about profit

before ethics, is a Vaisya). Most people in business are Vaisyas.

Brahmins and Kshatriyas are much more rare. (Brahmins are true

spiritualists and Kshatriyas are true warriors for truth).

 

ACS and other "supposedly serious" astrological companies sell this

stuff, (sun sign incense, bath oils, etc), and thus deepen the image

that this is, in fact, substantial, when in fact, it's totally

ridicule-us. The astronomer pointed out that "Astrology is not aligned

with space as it really is". In this case he was right (for once).

Western astrology, probably what he's thinking of, of course, since

that's what you find here in America primarily, is "off" from space by

23 degrees, and he knows that, since the sidereal longitudes (Vedic uses

these) are where you find the planets, thus aim your telescopes, not the

tropical positions.

 

Simply let allegiance to the Tropical Zodiac die out, in you, and in the

world!, I say. End the tyranny of baseless attachments to the past

mistakes. At least be a Western Siderealist. That is totally

understandable. At LEAST be that. End the lie of the Tropical Zodiac. It

is an oximoron - "Tropical Zodiac". Simply put, there is no such thing.

 

 

Das Goravani

 

 

 

 

 

 

2852 Willamette St # 353

Eugene OR USA 97405

 

or

Fax: 541-343-0344

 

"Goravani Jyotish"

Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software

[Guest guest]

As a recent convert to Vedic Astrology, I have found it to be farmore accurate

and powerful - also easier to understand - thanTropical. I do not begin to have

enough knowlege or understanding ofeither to argue the merits of one over the

other. But I do takeexception with your attack on tropical astrology - although

I realizeyou were more moderate in you later message.I understand anyone

desiring to replace what they considerincorrect with what is right. But is

this not the Moslems andChristians converting each other? You can not destroy

other people'sbelief systems and expect to replace it with your own. There is

nogreater loss than the loss of one's faith and beliefs. Would notmore be

served by looking for the truths that are in all astroloy?Lastly, for millions

of people a bath oil is far more within theirreach than a gem to wear. And

regardless of why it is sold, if thisprovides comfort to someone in difficult

times is it not of value?Margaret gjlist , Das <das@g...>

wrote:> > The other night, our friend Jerrerey Armstrong (Vedic Astrologer)was

on> "Exploring the Unknown" on Fox Family network. This show covered him> doing

charts in a test situation. He did very well. They gave him77%> accuracy for all

statements made, and it was a strictly controlled> situation. It was supposed to

be a "skeptical" situation, so he didwell.> > Anyway, they had some astronomer

chap from Griffith Observatorythrow in> his hatred for astrology as part of the

show.> > He basically said Astrology is BS- "it's just psychology at best,>

because the planets have NOTHING TO DO with our lives here onEarth".> > I wonder

what he thinks about the fact that everyone tends to wakeup> each day when the

Sun is conjunct the lagna, that more people suffer> mental diseases at key

points in the Moon's cycle each month, thatthe> tides rise as do the waters in

us by the Moon's cycle, etc. > > By the way folks, please note Ekadashi Tithis.

Try watching andseeing> if you don't have your most passionate, hard working, or

headache> causing days on Ekadashi Tithi, which happens twice a month (Whenthe>

moon is a 120 deg trine ahead of the Sun). Just watch for itplease. On> this day

the waters in you are highest, causing for me, the BESTWORK> DAYS of the month,

without fail. I tend to get more done. Pleasecheck> it out. The Moon is causing

all the "waters in you" to rise up justlike> the tides.> > (A side note: In

India, since forever, this is the Lunar dayreserved> for worshipping Vishnu, and

on this day Vaisnavas fast from grains,to> curb somewhat the Rajas that this

causes in us, so as to maintainthe> balance of Sattva, and be thus more able to

serve Vishnu, sinceRajas is> anti that in essence.)> > They had a "reformed

astrologer" on the show, some very young woman> (blonde) who was telling that

astrology is BS. She had "seen thelight"> and realized astrology was empty and

baseless, just a way for crafty> people to manipulate others minds. I can tell

by looking at herthat she> had the brains of a bimbo-she looked like "Britains

Spears" or such.> There's no way she could be an astrologer. No wonder she saw

onlydarkness.> > In any case, you can see that Western babble hasn't helped,

bycomparing> itself so often to psychology, and by not having much accuracy

dueto> having lost the zodiac, and not having revealed dashas, too many>

aspects, and no spiritual requirements or connections. Note: backwhen> the

Greeks mingled with Vedic folks, the two zodiacs were alinged.Ding.> They

were'nt wrong, THEN. But nowadays, hmmm, 76% wrong signs, whatto> speak of

degree positions- all wrong.> > I don't think people would feel this way if real

Jyotish-seriouspersons> were ALL THERE EVER WAS as "astrologers". I often get

calls fromWestern> Astrologers who are playing with Vedic, or converting. Most

can'tsay> they were on the wrong track. Most cannot say that. But you

losenothing> when going Vedic, and gain alot, but they cannot admit that. I

have> attachments too. But a lemon is a lemon.> > The other day I got a call

from a real honest lady, because herchart is> "hard", with Ketu conjunct lagna

in Gemini, and Moon in Scorpio, and> everything else in the 8th, type of

chart... so anyway, she hadlittle> to lie about, and simply said "I can't

believe I've spent or wastedall> this time on Western astrology when Vedic is so

much more alignedwith> the truth and cosmos". > > Oh well. > > As Bhaktivinode

said:> > "Forget the past which sleeps, > and never the future dream at all, >

but act in times that are with thee, > and progress thee shall call".> > I

realize however that Vedic is hard to understand for most people,> because it is

heavily Hindu, and there is NOT a lot of books on ityet> which are CLEAR to the

non-Hindu familiar Western reader. I realize> that. It makes me nervous daily-

to create more material etc. I was> benefitted by being fully Hindu and having

already studied lots ofHindu> books, had been to India 4 times, etc., before I

ever touchedJyotish.> That helped a great deal. I realize most do not have this

training.> > Jyotish is superior, and Astrology's current low status in the

Westis> only attributable to it's incredibly low accuracy as practiced herewith>

the complex houses, incorrect zodiac, too many aspects, too many> planets, too

many asteroids, too many invented (concocted byimperfect> human) techniques, too

much commercialization etc etc. Basically,off> base and watered down. > >

"What's your sign". Newspapers (Mercury doing it's non-commitaldamage> as usual)

have done the most damage with these stupid sun signcolumns.> No serious

astrologer should write such crap. Rob Brezny and otherswho> do these columns

should stop. It's simply BAD for the DivineSciences to> belittle them in this

way. This is not SERVICE or SEVA, it'sOFFENSIVE.> There should be NO astrologer

willing to write such stuff, whichseems> to divide all humans into 12

predictively grouped entities. Simply> RIDICULE-US, is what that is. Causes our

science to be ridiculed.> > Then there's companies selling packages of crap like

Bath Oils,Soaps,> etc., based on your 'Sun Sign', which is too simple to begin

with,and> then to top that they tell you your wrong sign 76% of the time (the>

amount the Tropical Zodiac is "off" from the real zodiac at thistime). > >

"Anything for a buck from the untrained masses" is the Vaisyamotto, and> Vaisyas

are BARRED by Veda from being Jyotishis.(Vaisya means the> "mercantile class" of

humans- read: anyone who thinks about profit> before ethics, is a Vaisya). Most

people in business are Vaisyas.> Brahmins and Kshatriyas are much more rare.

(Brahmins are true> spiritualists and Kshatriyas are true warriors for truth).>

> ACS and other "supposedly serious" astrological companies sell this> stuff,

(sun sign incense, bath oils, etc), and thus deepen the image> that this is, in

fact, substantial, when in fact, it's totally> ridicule-us. The astronomer

pointed out that "Astrology is notaligned> with space as it really is". In this

case he was right (for once).> Western astrology, probably what he's thinking

of, of course, since> that's what you find here in America primarily, is "off"

from spaceby> 23 degrees, and he knows that, since the sidereal longitudes

(Vedicuses> these) are where you find the planets, thus aim your telescopes,not

the> tropical positions.> > Simply let allegiance to the Tropical Zodiac die

out, in you, andin the> world!, I say. End the tyranny of baseless attachments

to the past> mistakes. At least be a Western Siderealist. That is totally>

understandable. At LEAST be that. End the lie of the TropicalZodiac. It> is an

oximoron - "Tropical Zodiac". Simply put, there is no suchthing. > > > Das

Goravani> > das@g...> > http://www.goravani.com> > > 2852

Willamette St # 353> Eugene OR USA 97405> > or

> Fax: 541-343-0344> > "Goravani Jyotish"> Vedic/Hindu Astrology

Software

[Guest guest]

Hello!

I think Das's analysis was right on. We're all gonna get what we got

coming to us and that astronamoron got what he deserved. A good lashing. If

your not a real authority it's better to sit down & just keep your mouth

shut and hear from someone that is. Better a sincere sweeper in the street

than a charlatan meditator.

 

Peace Out

 

manvantara

 

-

<mltrwt

<gjlist >

Sunday, June 25, 2000 7:12 PM

[gjlist] Re: Idiot Astronomoron Speaks

 

 

> As a recent convert to Vedic Astrology, I have found it to be farmore

accurate and powerful - also easier to understand - thanTropical. I do not

begin to have enough knowlege or understanding ofeither to argue the merits

of one over the other. But I do takeexception with your attack on tropical

astrology - although I realizeyou were more moderate in you later message.I

understand anyone desiring to replace what they considerincorrect with

what is right. But is this not the Moslems andChristians converting each

other? You can not destroy other people'sbelief systems and expect to

replace it with your own. There is nogreater loss than the loss of one's

faith and beliefs. Would notmore be served by looking for the truths that

are in all astroloy?Lastly, for millions of people a bath oil is far more

within theirreach than a gem to wear. And regardless of why it is sold, if

thisprovides comfort to someone in difficult times is it not of

value?Margaret gjlist , Das <das@g...> wrote:> > The other

night, our friend Jerrerey Armstrong (Vedic Astrologer)was on> "Exploring

the Unknown" on Fox Family network. This show covered him> doing charts in a

test situation. He did very well. They gave him77%> accuracy for all

statements made, and it was a strictly controlled> situation. It was

supposed to be a "skeptical" situation, so he didwell.> > Anyway, they had

some astronomer chap from Griffith Observatorythrow in> his hatred for

astrology as part of the show.> > He basically said Astrology is BS- "it's

just psychology at best,> because the planets have NOTHING TO DO with our

lives here onEarth".> > I wonder what he thinks about the fact that everyone

tends to wakeup> each day when the Sun is conjunct the lagna, that more

people suffer> mental diseases at key points in the Moon's cycle each month,

thatthe> tides rise as do the waters in us by the Moon's cycle, etc. > > By

the way folks, please note Ekadashi Tithis. Try watching andseeing> if you

don't have your most passionate, hard working, or headache> causing days on

Ekadashi Tithi, which happens twice a month (Whenthe> moon is a 120 deg

trine ahead of the Sun). Just watch for itplease. On> this day the waters in

you are highest, causing for me, the BESTWORK> DAYS of the month, without

fail. I tend to get more done. Pleasecheck> it out. The Moon is causing all

the "waters in you" to rise up justlike> the tides.> > (A side note: In

India, since forever, this is the Lunar dayreserved> for worshipping Vishnu,

and on this day Vaisnavas fast from grains,to> curb somewhat the Rajas that

this causes in us, so as to maintainthe> balance of Sattva, and be thus more

able to serve Vishnu, sinceRajas is> anti that in essence.)> > They had a

"reformed astrologer" on the show, some very young woman> (blonde) who was

telling that astrology is BS. She had "seen thelight"> and realized

astrology was empty and baseless, just a way for crafty> people to

manipulate others minds. I can tell by looking at herthat she> had the

brains of a bimbo-she looked like "Britains Spears" or such.> There's no way

she could be an astrologer. No wonder she saw onlydarkness.> > In any case,

you can see that Western babble hasn't helped, bycomparing> itself so often

to psychology, and by not having much accuracy dueto> having lost the

zodiac, and not having revealed dashas, too many> aspects, and no spiritual

requirements or connections. Note: backwhen> the Greeks mingled with Vedic

folks, the two zodiacs were alinged.Ding.> They were'nt wrong, THEN. But

nowadays, hmmm, 76% wrong signs, whatto> speak of degree positions- all

wrong.> > I don't think people would feel this way if real

Jyotish-seriouspersons> were ALL THERE EVER WAS as "astrologers". I often

get calls fromWestern> Astrologers who are playing with Vedic, or

converting. Most can'tsay> they were on the wrong track. Most cannot say

that. But you losenothing> when going Vedic, and gain alot, but they cannot

admit that. I have> attachments too. But a lemon is a lemon.> > The other

day I got a call from a real honest lady, because herchart is> "hard", with

Ketu conjunct lagna in Gemini, and Moon in Scorpio, and> everything else in

the 8th, type of chart... so anyway, she hadlittle> to lie about, and simply

said "I can't believe I've spent or wastedall> this time on Western

astrology when Vedic is so much more alignedwith> the truth and cosmos". > >

Oh well. > > As Bhaktivinode said:> > "Forget the past which sleeps, > and

never the future dream at all, > but act in times that are with thee, > and

progress thee shall call".> > I realize however that Vedic is hard to

understand for most people,> because it is heavily Hindu, and there is NOT a

lot of books on ityet> which are CLEAR to the non-Hindu familiar Western

reader. I realize> that. It makes me nervous daily- to create more material

etc. I was> benefitted by being fully Hindu and having already studied lots

ofHindu> books, had been to India 4 times, etc., before I ever

touchedJyotish.> That helped a great deal. I realize most do not have this

training.> > Jyotish is superior, and Astrology's current low status in the

Westis> only attributable to it's incredibly low accuracy as practiced

herewith> the complex houses, incorrect zodiac, too many aspects, too many>

planets, too many asteroids, too many invented (concocted byimperfect>

human) techniques, too much commercialization etc etc. Basically,off> base

and watered down. > > "What's your sign". Newspapers (Mercury doing it's

non-commitaldamage> as usual) have done the most damage with these stupid

sun signcolumns.> No serious astrologer should write such crap. Rob Brezny

and otherswho> do these columns should stop. It's simply BAD for the

DivineSciences to> belittle them in this way. This is not SERVICE or SEVA,

it'sOFFENSIVE.> There should be NO astrologer willing to write such stuff,

whichseems> to divide all humans into 12 predictively grouped entities.

Simply> RIDICULE-US, is what that is. Causes our science to be ridiculed.> >

Then there's companies selling packages of crap like Bath Oils,Soaps,> etc.,

based on your 'Sun Sign', which is too simple to begin with,and> then to top

that they tell you your wrong sign 76% of the time (the> amount the Tropical

Zodiac is "off" from the real zodiac at thistime). > > "Anything for a buck

from the untrained masses" is the Vaisyamotto, and> Vaisyas are BARRED by

Veda from being Jyotishis.(Vaisya means the> "mercantile class" of humans-

read: anyone who thinks about profit> before ethics, is a Vaisya). Most

people in business are Vaisyas.> Brahmins and Kshatriyas are much more rare.

(Brahmins are true> spiritualists and Kshatriyas are true warriors for

truth).> > ACS and other "supposedly serious" astrological companies sell

this> stuff, (sun sign incense, bath oils, etc), and thus deepen the image>

that this is, in fact, substantial, when in fact, it's totally> ridicule-us.

The astronomer pointed out that "Astrology is notaligned> with space as it

really is". In this case he was right (for once).> Western astrology,

probably what he's thinking of, of course, since> that's what you find here

in America primarily, is "off" from spaceby> 23 degrees, and he knows that,

since the sidereal longitudes (Vedicuses> these) are where you find the

planets, thus aim your telescopes,not the> tropical positions.> > Simply let

allegiance to the Tropical Zodiac die out, in you, andin the> world!, I say.

End the tyranny of baseless attachments to the past> mistakes. At least be a

Western Siderealist. That is totally> understandable. At LEAST be that. End

the lie of the TropicalZodiac. It> is an oximoron - "Tropical Zodiac".

Simply put, there is no suchthing. > > > Das Goravani> > das@g...> >

http://www.goravani.com> > > 2852 Willamette St # 353>

Eugene OR USA 97405> > or > Fax:

541-343-0344> > "Goravani Jyotish"> Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software

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