Parivartana in dusthana houses

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In a message dated 06/12/2000 8:36:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

steve.hubball writes:

 

<<

Of course, one must always check the strength and position of the dasha lord

Mercury in the Navamsha and other Varga charts (especially D-10 for

career) - good placements here will improve the general results. Also,

check to see the status of the Raja Yoga planets in Navamsha - good

placements here and in other Vargas will indicate how strongly the 'promise'

will manifest.

>>

. Thanks very much, Steve, I looked at this. In D-10 it looks okay, with

Mercury in the ninth house in Libra and Sun in the eleventh in Sag, my Rasi

Lagna sign.

 

In the navamsa, though, mercury is parivartana with venus, with venus in the

first and mercury in the twelfth; taurus ruling the twelfth and gemini ruling

the first.

 

On top of that, there is also parivartana in the navamsa sixth and the eighth

-- Saturn in the sixth house in scorpio and mars exalted in the eighth in

Capricorn. Jupiter is also in the eighth.

 

What is the significance of mutual exchange in dusthana houses? What would be

the significance of mutual exchange in ALL of them?

 

Thanks as always,

 

Vox

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Dear Steve:

What happens when there is parivartana between 9th and 10th house for

a Gemini Ascendant. In the Navamsa Saturn is in Capricorn and Jupiter in

Scorpio.

In the rasi chart Jupiter is within first two degrees and losing a planetary

war to Mars. Ketu is also in the Ninth. Mars conjuncts Jupiter in the

Navamsa as well. I am only a novice in astrology, and your input will be

helpful.

Thanks

Sankar Shanmugham

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In a message dated 06/15/2000 2:07:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

steve.hubball writes:

 

<<

It would be good to hear from others on the list as to their experience of

Parivartana Yogas. So, for example, an exchange of 6th and 8th lords could

give obstacles (8th house) to disease (6th house). Is this your experience

Vox? >>

 

.Thanks very much for your input, Steve! Or disease to obstacles, hmmm...

 

I guess what I do see is that when I set my mind to it I can accomplish

things by really concentrating fully, especially in the areas of work and

health ( Saturn in the sixth in Scorpio, mars in the eighth in Capricorn). I

am not necessarily brave or quick in an emergency...but if there is a

financial or career or health problem in my family( or if I have one myself),

I can focus all my energy on beating the thing into submission, step by step

until it's done, methodically and persistently. That's out of character for

me under normal circumstances; I'm a space cadet most of the time.

 

No one in else in my maternal family( my mother and brothers) is like this --

I didn't really learn this approach to problems, I came to it myself, is

what I mean by that --sometimes, it really does seem almost like contacting

some inner soldier guide/guru and asking it what to do.

 

Of course, they don't seem to have as many problems as I do .

 

Love,

 

Vox

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Namaste Vox

 

Vox wrote:

 

>since Mercury is exalted in Virgo in my tenth house, conjunct Sun ( not

> combust) in the tenth house. The reading I get for this states that

>mercury will give favorable results during her periods

 

> In the navamsa, though, mercury is parivartana with venus, with venus in

the

> first and mercury in the twelfth; taurus ruling the twelfth and gemini

ruling

> the first.

>

> On top of that, there is also parivartana in the navamsa sixth and the

eighth

> -- Saturn in the sixth house in scorpio and mars exalted in the eighth in

> Capricorn. Jupiter is also in the eighth.

>

> What is the significance of mutual exchange in dusthana houses? What would

be

> the significance of mutual exchange in ALL of them?

>

 

Dear Vox

 

There are several positive indicators that the dasha period will be good:

1. Mercury is exalted

2. Mercury is in a Mahapurusha Yoga (Bhadra Yoga) in the 10th house

3. Mercury is the 10th lord in the 10th

4. Mercury is not combust, and in Budha-Aditya Yoga with a strong Sun

5. Mercury (lord of the 7th and 10th) forms Raja Yoga with 9th lord Sun

6. Mercury is placed in the 9th house of Dashamsha

 

This seems to promise well for career, wealth, intellectual pursuits and

rise in status, perhaps involving computers and communications, or higher

education? The strongest Dharma-Karma Adhipati Yoga is said to be the

combination of the 9th and 10th lords.

 

Also examine the nakshatra dispositor of Mercury (Moon for Mercury exalted

in Hasta), as this planet is also activated during the Mahadasha.

 

The dashsa lord Mercury has gone into the 12th house in the Navamsha.

However, he is the lagna lord in the Navamsha, and is in the sign of a Great

Friend. The 1st lord in the 12th is said to be a difficult placement for

material life, but it is an excellent placement for spirituality, meditation

and Self-realisation, as there is loss (12th house) of ego (1st house). It

could also be good for foreign travels or working abroad. The Mercury

dasha, therefore, could be a good period for focusing on spirituality in

addition to your career!

 

The Parivartana Yoga between the 1st and 12th lords Mercury and Venus, who

are actually great friends, is an exchange between an auspicious and an

inauspicious house, which again is probably excellent for spiritual growth

rather than material growth.

 

There are 66 Parivartana Yogas, which can broadly and very simply be

classified into 3 types:

 

1. Exchange of 'good' houses with 'good' houses (e.g. kendras and trikonas),

said to give excellent results.

2. Exchange of 'good' houses with 'difficult' houses, said to give mixed

results.

3. Exchange of dusthana houses with dusthana houses (a form of Viparita Raja

Yoga), said also to give excellent results, but after some initial

difficulties.

 

There is a good chapter in the book 'Yogas in Astrology' by Dr Charak,

explaining the significance of all the various combinations. However, many

of the classical interpretations are not meant to be taken literally. Some

astrologers consider the planets involved in the exchange to act as if they

occupy their own houses.

 

It would be good to hear from others on the list as to their experience of

Parivartana Yogas. So, for example, an exchange of 6th and 8th lords could

give obstacles (8th house) to disease (6th house). Is this your experience

Vox?

 

I have an exchange between the 11th and 12th lords, and there have been many

cases of 'loss of gains' (i.e. heavy expenses!). So this probably hasn't

been good on a material level, but on another level, the 11th is a very

strong house of kama, or desire, and the 12th is moksha-bhava, the house of

enlightenment, so I think this Yoga has been good for spiritual gains.

 

Indira Gandhi has an amazing chart with 3 Parivartana Yogas.

 

I hope that this has been of some help.

 

Best wishes

 

Steve

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Hi Vox,

 

I have parivartana yoga - 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th. However, 11th

lord is also in 9th with Sun, the 10th lord. Does this mean a career in religion

?

So far, I have been a s/w engineer.

 

Regards,

Tarun

 

>Namaste Vox

>

>Vox wrote:

>

>>since Mercury is exalted in Virgo in my tenth house, conjunct Sun ( not

>> combust) in the tenth house. The reading I get for this states that

>>mercury will give favorable results during her periods

>

>> In the navamsa, though, mercury is parivartana with venus, with venus in

>the

>> first and mercury in the twelfth; taurus ruling the twelfth and gemini

>ruling

>> the first.

>>

>> On top of that, there is also parivartana in the navamsa sixth and the

>eighth

>> -- Saturn in the sixth house in scorpio and mars exalted in the eighth in

>> Capricorn. Jupiter is also in the eighth.

>>

>> What is the significance of mutual exchange in dusthana houses? What would

>be

>> the significance of mutual exchange in ALL of them?

>>

>

>Dear Vox

>

>There are several positive indicators that the dasha period will be good:

>1. Mercury is exalted

>2. Mercury is in a Mahapurusha Yoga (Bhadra Yoga) in the 10th house

>3. Mercury is the 10th lord in the 10th

>4. Mercury is not combust, and in Budha-Aditya Yoga with a strong Sun

>5. Mercury (lord of the 7th and 10th) forms Raja Yoga with 9th lord Sun

>6. Mercury is placed in the 9th house of Dashamsha

>

>This seems to promise well for career, wealth, intellectual pursuits and

>rise in status, perhaps involving computers and communications, or higher

>education? The strongest Dharma-Karma Adhipati Yoga is said to be the

>combination of the 9th and 10th lords.

>

>Also examine the nakshatra dispositor of Mercury (Moon for Mercury exalted

>in Hasta), as this planet is also activated during the Mahadasha.

>

>The dashsa lord Mercury has gone into the 12th house in the Navamsha.

>However, he is the lagna lord in the Navamsha, and is in the sign of a Great

>Friend. The 1st lord in the 12th is said to be a difficult placement for

>material life, but it is an excellent placement for spirituality, meditation

>and Self-realisation, as there is loss (12th house) of ego (1st house). It

>could also be good for foreign travels or working abroad. The Mercury

>dasha, therefore, could be a good period for focusing on spirituality in

>addition to your career!

>

>The Parivartana Yoga between the 1st and 12th lords Mercury and Venus, who

>are actually great friends, is an exchange between an auspicious and an

>inauspicious house, which again is probably excellent for spiritual growth

>rather than material growth.

>

>There are 66 Parivartana Yogas, which can broadly and very simply be

>classified into 3 types:

>

>1. Exchange of 'good' houses with 'good' houses (e.g. kendras and trikonas),

>said to give excellent results.

>2. Exchange of 'good' houses with 'difficult' houses, said to give mixed

>results.

>3. Exchange of dusthana houses with dusthana houses (a form of Viparita Raja

>Yoga), said also to give excellent results, but after some initial

>difficulties.

>

>There is a good chapter in the book 'Yogas in Astrology' by Dr Charak,

>explaining the significance of all the various combinations. However, many

>of the classical interpretations are not meant to be taken literally. Some

>astrologers consider the planets involved in the exchange to act as if they

>occupy their own houses.

>

>It would be good to hear from others on the list as to their experience of

>Parivartana Yogas. So, for example, an exchange of 6th and 8th lords could

>give obstacles (8th house) to disease (6th house). Is this your experience

>Vox?

>

>I have an exchange between the 11th and 12th lords, and there have been many

>cases of 'loss of gains' (i.e. heavy expenses!). So this probably hasn't

>been good on a material level, but on another level, the 11th is a very

>strong house of kama, or desire, and the 12th is moksha-bhava, the house of

>enlightenment, so I think this Yoga has been good for spiritual gains.

>

>Indira Gandhi has an amazing chart with 3 Parivartana Yogas.

>

>I hope that this has been of some help.

>

>Best wishes

>

>Steve

>

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Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:18 PM

Re: [gjlist] Parivartana in dusthana houses

 

 

Hi Vox,

 

I have parivartana yoga - 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th. However,

11th

lord is also in 9th with Sun, the 10th lord. Does this mean a career in

religion ?

So far, I have been a s/w engineer.

 

Regards,

Tarun

 

 

Dear Tarun

 

The exchange of the 9th and 10th houses combines the strongest trikona lord

with the strongest kendra lord forming a superb Dharma Karma Adhipati Yoga.

This is meant to be excellent for success and wealth as it combines the

strongest house of dharma, or purpose (and good fortune) with the strongest

house of karma or action, so I do not think it necessarily implies a career

in religion.

 

Best wishes

 

Steve

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Hi Steve,

 

Ok, how do you figure this one:

 

Sag Lagna

9 and 10 lords in the 12th, Mercury combust

 

What occupation would you suggest for the native,

based on this?

 

Any other comments, are welcome.

 

Peace,

Mu

--- Steve Hubball <steve.hubball wrote:

>

> -

> <ttripath

> <gjlist >

> Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:18 PM

> Re: [gjlist] Parivartana in dusthana houses

>

>

> Hi Vox,

>

> I have parivartana yoga - 10th lord in 9th and 9th

> lord in 10th. However,

> 11th

> lord is also in 9th with Sun, the 10th lord. Does

> this mean a career in

> religion ?

> So far, I have been a s/w engineer.

>

> Regards,

> Tarun

>

>

> Dear Tarun

>

> The exchange of the 9th and 10th houses combines the

> strongest trikona lord

> with the strongest kendra lord forming a superb

> Dharma Karma Adhipati Yoga.

> This is meant to be excellent for success and wealth

> as it combines the

> strongest house of dharma, or purpose (and good

> fortune) with the strongest

> house of karma or action, so I do not think it

> necessarily implies a career

> in religion.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Steve

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Mr. Zoran:

 

Your post contains some rather glaring errors. For example:

1. "For a Sag. lagna, Mercury is chief obstructor of the chart." My dear

friend that is just plain silly. Mercury (unless conjoined with or afflicted

by malefics) is a natural benefic. Mercury rules 7 and 10 for a Sag. lagna,

and thus Mercury is a temporal benefic as well. And yes, Mercury becomes

Maraka as ruler of 7th. This hardly qualifies Mercury to be chief obstructor

for the Sag. lagna.

 

2. "It is good for Mercury to be combust for a Sag. lagna." Oh really, you

think it is a good idea for the lord of the house of marriage and the house

of career to be weakened? Do you really want problems in the career and

marriage?

 

3. "Profane knowledge would be forsaken for dharma." What exactly qualifies

as profane knowledge in your estimation? If dharma is purpose in life, how do

you explain that fact that someone's dharma may just be the aquisition of

profane knowledge? Dharma is not about good or bad things. Hitler had the

dharma to be a mass murderer. You see, it is beyong good and bad.

 

4."If Moon and Mercury are placed in trines from each other there will be

uncontrolled sexuality." LOL. This is just too funny. Mercury in 5th and Moon

in ninth will give uncontrolled sexuality?

 

5. "Buddha hates the Moon." Not at all. Mercury is a friend to the Moon. It

is the Moon who is an enemy to Mercury.

 

I could go on and on, but I am getting tired of typing.

 

jyotishpandit

 

 

 

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Dear Steve,

I agree with all this wholeheartedly, it is excellent work. However, be slightly

careful with a mercury for Dhanu Lagna(I am Dhanu lagna too).. It is markesh and

badhakesh and thus chief obstructor in the chart. It is true that it can very

easily form dharmakarma adhipat yog, which is to my knowledge only formed with a

yuti of 9. and 10. lords. That simply means that apart from its excellent

effects, mercury will surely reveal its marak and badhak effects, in adverse

antardasha, which are better seen in their position from moon. Mercury is enemy

to jupiter lagna lord and he will surely use each opportunity to cheat "DHI

SHAKTI" of Brihaspati Gurudeva. Thus it is good that mercury be combust for

dhanu lagna(my personal view) since all the acitivies will centre around

SUN-Dharmakarak, and a profane knowledge would be deserted for the sake of

knowledge of Dharma. If guru sends in a process a favourable dristi, than it is

confirmed. In the chart under consideration, a mercury is well placed from sun,

thus good points given for profession will stand true. Mercury furthermore forms

SHRINATH YOG, that would give a Devendra, however, a moon must be strong for

sustaining a yog. I wouldn't say that mercury navamsa is favourable since it

falls into a SHASHTAMSHA, as per rashi-tulya navamsa tehnique in a fixed sign

taurus, thus giving some ill effects regarding diseases, enemies etc. Its

placement in chandra nakshatra is unfavourable for marriatal life, since chandra

rules 8.house maraksthan of marriage. Have in mind that Budh hates moon, and

their mutual combination is always unfavourable. For example if moon and mercury

are placed in trines from each other, an uncontrolled sexuality will take

place.Their mutual aspect is good only under one condition:

Moon should be in movable sign, in the 1st decanate

Moon should be in a fixed sign in the 3.rd decanate

Moon should be in a dual sign in the 2.nd decanate

THis combination forms SARASWATI YOG and it will surely make a person learned.

Other points brought by you of course stand true.

Best wishes,

Zoran

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"Jyotish Pandit" wrote:

 

 

"Hitler had the dharma to be a mass murderer. You see, it is beyond good

and bad."

 

 

I am also somewhat a Pandit of Jyotish.

 

I disagree. 'Dharma' normally refers to proper action. Mass Murder is

never a proper action. Dharma-Bhava, the ninth house, which rules

dharma, also rules Guru and God. While someone's PERCEPTION of good and

bad may be terrible, and thus their perception of God and Guru will in

turn also be terrible, that doesn't mean the term "dharma" is to be

thought of as to include terrible perceptions and actions.

 

Rather, the term dharma is to be used only when referring to proper

perceptions and actions. That is why the scriptures refer to Yudhistir

as Dharmaraj, because he always tried to do what was beneficial to all.

Lord Ram was also considered especially representative of Dharma, and he

too tried to do what was right, not only when it was easy, but also when

it meant he would have to personally sacrifice greatly.

 

So the examples of Dharma are never from those who perform bad actions.

I know what you mean, sometimes whatever one's actions are, it is called

'their dharma'. But normally we refer to dharma when we are speaking of

those kinds of good actions to which we should all aspire.

 

In Jyotish, which is aligned perfectly with Vedic Spiritual Teachings,

we know that a house and thus an area of life can be well constructed

and thus fruitful in a good way, or it can be badly disposed and thus

fruitful in a bad way. So the fact that some folks suffer a bad ninth

house, and thus portray Ugra-Karmas or Vi-Karmas, bad and forbidden

actions, that doesn't mean we should losen our conception of Dharma to

include their unfortunate karma just as we would not consider poverty to

be wealth, in the case of a bad or good second house.

 

Besides this, overall, in your posting, there is a tremendously loud

arrogance. Emanating that kind of vibration makes it hard for us other

Pandits to stand by your words, whatever they are. Truth delivered with

arrogance still nets abandonment for such a speaker. Their attitude

overrides any good things they say, at least in the way that others

react. So, a teacher should find a way to rid themselves of that tone.

 

 

Thank for listening,

 

 

Das Goravani

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Om Vishnave Namah

Dear Jyotish,

Some comments are as below:-

 

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<Jyotishpandit

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Friday, June 16, 2000 0907 SJVC

Fwd: [gjlist] Parivartana in dusthana houses

 

 

> Mr. Zoran:

>

> Your post contains some rather glaring errors. For example:

> 1. "For a Sag. lagna, Mercury is chief obstructor of the chart." My dear

> friend that is just plain silly. Mercury (unless conjoined with or

afflicted

> by malefics) is a natural benefic. Mercury rules 7 and 10 for a Sag.

lagna,

> and thus Mercury is a temporal benefic as well. And yes, Mercury becomes

> Maraka as ruler of 7th. This hardly qualifies Mercury to be chief

obstructor

> for the Sag. lagna.

RATH: BADHAKESH MEANS ODSTRUCTOR AND BY BEING THE LORD OF THE SEVENTH FOR A

DUAL LAGNA ASCENDING, MERCURY DOES QUALIFY AS THE CHIEF OBSTRUCTOR. BY

OWNING THE SEVENTH AND TENTH IT SHOWS THE "INNATE NATURE" OR THINKING OF THE

INDIVIDUAL AS PLANETS IN THE SEVENTH WILL BE REGARDED AS REASONS FOR

OBSTRUCTION. MERCURY ALSO HAS THE POWER TO REMOVE OBSTACLES AND THUS,

BEHAVES LIKE GANESHJI FOR THE CHART...CONDITIONAL. THUS BY WORSHIPPING

GANAPATI ON WEDNESDAYS OBSTRUCTIONS CAN BE REMOVED. WHAT IS MORE, THE

NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY MERCURY WILL GIVE THE SOURCES OF TROUBLES AND

OBSTRUCTION.

 

>

> 2. "It is good for Mercury to be combust for a Sag. lagna." Oh really, you

> think it is a good idea for the lord of the house of marriage and the

house

> of career to be weakened? Do you really want problems in the career and

> marriage?

RATH: I AGRRE THAT COMBUSTION IS NOT GOOD AND CAN DAMAGE THE CONDITIONS OF

THE HOUSE. HOWEVER, LOOK AT THIS FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. MERCURY WOULD BE

VERY CLOSE TO THE NINTH LORD RESULTING IN DHARMAKARMADHIPATI YOGA AND THUS

BY LOSING ITS INNATE NATURE AND TAKING ON THE QUAITIES OF THE SUN, IT CAN BE

A GREAT BENEFIC.

 

> 3. "Profane knowledge would be forsaken for dharma." What exactly

qualifies

> as profane knowledge in your estimation? If dharma is purpose in life, how

do

> you explain that fact that someone's dharma may just be the aquisition of

> profane knowledge? Dharma is not about good or bad things. Hitler had the

> dharma to be a mass murderer. You see, it is beyong good and bad.

 

RATH: WHAT YOU SUGGEST AS DHARMA DEFINITION IS TRULY PROFANE KNOWLEDGE.

PLEASE CORRECT YOURSELF.

 

> 4."If Moon and Mercury are placed in trines from each other there will be

> uncontrolled sexuality." LOL. This is just too funny. Mercury in 5th and

Moon

> in ninth will give uncontrolled sexuality?

RATH: THIS IS CORRECT (JAIMINI SUTRA). MOON IN TRINES TO MERCURY MAKES A

PERSON LOOK FOR THE WIVES OF OTHERS. THIS CONDITION SHOULD BE THERE IN THE

NAVAMSA. HOWEVER, IF THEY ARE INFLUENCING THE NAVAMSA LAGNA THEN IT IS NOT

GOOD. BOTH IN SCORPIO NAVAMSA IS THE WORST. JUPITER HAS THE POWER TO

OBSTRUCT THIS EVIL AND CORRECT THE MERCURY AS BRIHASPATI STOPPED CHANDRA

FROM FURTHER ILLEGITIMATE RELATIONS WITH HIS WIFE TARA AND ACCEPTED BUDDHA

AS HIS SON.

 

> 5. "Buddha hates the Moon." Not at all. Mercury is a friend to the Moon.

It

> is the Moon who is an enemy to Mercury.

>

> I could go on and on, but I am getting tired of typing.

>

> jyotishpandit

RATH: NO, YOU ARE WRONG. MERCURY IS AN ENEMY OF THE MOON. THE MOON DOES NOT

HAVE ANY NATURAL ENEMIES. PLEASE READ GRAHA SAMBANDHA. IT IS NATURAL THAT A

PERSON SHALL HATE THE CAUSE OF HIS BASTARD BIRTH. THAT IS WHY MERCURY HATES

THE MOON HIS GENITOR WHEREAS HE HAS THE HIGHEST REGARD FOR THE NOBILITY OF

JUPITER HIS PATER.

 

WITH BEST WISHES

SANJAY RATH

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No how could it mean, vocation in religion. It may or may not be.

Traditionally, it is known as "Dharma-Karma adhipati Yoga" and since it is a

combination of two most powerful lords in the chart, it is considered to be

a powerful yoga.

 

manoj

 

 

>ttripath

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>Re: [gjlist] Parivartana in dusthana houses

>Thu, 15 Jun 100 14:18:35 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Hi Vox,

>

>I have parivartana yoga - 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th. However,

>11th

>lord is also in 9th with Sun, the 10th lord. Does this mean a career in

>religion ?

>So far, I have been a s/w engineer.

>

>Regards,

> Tarun

>

> >Namaste Vox

> >

> >Vox wrote:

> >

> >>since Mercury is exalted in Virgo in my tenth house, conjunct Sun ( not

> >> combust) in the tenth house. The reading I get for this states that

> >>mercury will give favorable results during her periods

> >

> >> In the navamsa, though, mercury is parivartana with venus, with venus

>in

> >the

> >> first and mercury in the twelfth; taurus ruling the twelfth and gemini

> >ruling

> >> the first.

> >>

> >> On top of that, there is also parivartana in the navamsa sixth and the

> >eighth

> >> -- Saturn in the sixth house in scorpio and mars exalted in the eighth

>in

> >> Capricorn. Jupiter is also in the eighth.

> >>

> >> What is the significance of mutual exchange in dusthana houses? What

>would

> >be

> >> the significance of mutual exchange in ALL of them?

> >>

> >

> >Dear Vox

> >

> >There are several positive indicators that the dasha period will be good:

> >1. Mercury is exalted

> >2. Mercury is in a Mahapurusha Yoga (Bhadra Yoga) in the 10th house

> >3. Mercury is the 10th lord in the 10th

> >4. Mercury is not combust, and in Budha-Aditya Yoga with a strong Sun

> >5. Mercury (lord of the 7th and 10th) forms Raja Yoga with 9th lord Sun

> >6. Mercury is placed in the 9th house of Dashamsha

> >

> >This seems to promise well for career, wealth, intellectual pursuits and

> >rise in status, perhaps involving computers and communications, or higher

> >education? The strongest Dharma-Karma Adhipati Yoga is said to be the

> >combination of the 9th and 10th lords.

> >

> >Also examine the nakshatra dispositor of Mercury (Moon for Mercury

>exalted

> >in Hasta), as this planet is also activated during the Mahadasha.

> >

> >The dashsa lord Mercury has gone into the 12th house in the Navamsha.

> >However, he is the lagna lord in the Navamsha, and is in the sign of a

>Great

> >Friend. The 1st lord in the 12th is said to be a difficult placement for

> >material life, but it is an excellent placement for spirituality,

>meditation

> >and Self-realisation, as there is loss (12th house) of ego (1st house).

>It

> >could also be good for foreign travels or working abroad. The Mercury

> >dasha, therefore, could be a good period for focusing on spirituality in

> >addition to your career!

> >

> >The Parivartana Yoga between the 1st and 12th lords Mercury and Venus,

>who

> >are actually great friends, is an exchange between an auspicious and an

> >inauspicious house, which again is probably excellent for spiritual

>growth

> >rather than material growth.

> >

> >There are 66 Parivartana Yogas, which can broadly and very simply be

> >classified into 3 types:

> >

> >1. Exchange of 'good' houses with 'good' houses (e.g. kendras and

>trikonas),

> >said to give excellent results.

> >2. Exchange of 'good' houses with 'difficult' houses, said to give mixed

> >results.

> >3. Exchange of dusthana houses with dusthana houses (a form of Viparita

>Raja

> >Yoga), said also to give excellent results, but after some initial

> >difficulties.

> >

> >There is a good chapter in the book 'Yogas in Astrology' by Dr Charak,

> >explaining the significance of all the various combinations. However,

>many

> >of the classical interpretations are not meant to be taken literally.

>Some

> >astrologers consider the planets involved in the exchange to act as if

>they

> >occupy their own houses.

> >

> >It would be good to hear from others on the list as to their experience

>of

> >Parivartana Yogas. So, for example, an exchange of 6th and 8th lords

>could

> >give obstacles (8th house) to disease (6th house). Is this your

>experience

> >Vox?

> >

> >I have an exchange between the 11th and 12th lords, and there have been

>many

> >cases of 'loss of gains' (i.e. heavy expenses!). So this probably hasn't

> >been good on a material level, but on another level, the 11th is a very

> >strong house of kama, or desire, and the 12th is moksha-bhava, the house

>of

> >enlightenment, so I think this Yoga has been good for spiritual gains.

> >

> >Indira Gandhi has an amazing chart with 3 Parivartana Yogas.

> >

> >I hope that this has been of some help.

> >

> >Best wishes

> >

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Mr Rath:

 

My friend thank you for your imput. However, to correct a Parashara

astrologer with Jaimini sutras is specious at best. Yes, Jaimini does have

its place, but it is by no means the primary method of chart analysis. I also

understand that you do not like my views on knowledge, which you classify as

sacred and profane. But I ask you, what is not God? How can you ask me to

correct myself when what I describe is beyond your dualistic view of

sacred/profane, good/bad. I understand that Krishna devotees tend to run

toward that which is sattva, and to recoil in horror from what is rajasic and

tamasic. But I ask you again, what isn't God? And one final point...look at

any Parashara chart of planetary friendship, neutrality, and enmity and you

will see that Mercury is a friend to the moon and the moon is an enemy of

mercury. It is there in black and white.

 

Warmest regards,

JP

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ha Ha, that Das is one funny fellow, no doubt about it. Unless of course,

someone steps on his philosophical toes, and then out comes the ........

 

I know you don't see it Das, but the Jew hiding in the basement and the Nazi

at the door are both God (from a certain perspective). You see , my friend,

one needs to cultivate at least dual perspective in life. Please do not

confuse dual perspective with dualistic thinking. An event may he horrific

from a certain perspective, and yet it is all God from a higher perspective.

 

JP

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

(please excuse me, I couldn't resist this opportunity for Go(o)d humor)

 

Remember to eat dirt, since it's all God...

 

I just shot my neighbor, because they were making noise I didn't like.

Since I'm God, it doesn't matter. The bullet is God, the blood is God.

 

Now some people are banging on my door, hold on, I have to go let God

in. Oh wait, they let themselves in...hmm, they're wearing the Star of

David, all of them, and they're dressed in Blue-Black uniforms, which is

the color of God, see I knew they were God, but they're yelling at me, I

mean, chanting Mantras like "You have the righ to remain Mouna", which

is a yogic process, see, they know about going to God...I mean jail....

 

now they're grabbing me, and

it's getting hard to type.. a09 = iojl kj----u

 

gotta go..to the Spiritual world, I mean jail...it's all God.

 

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l;kj;lk jk plkj ouch I mean, "God darn it"

[Guest guest]

My dear Sanjayji, your renown as an astrologer and an author is legendary. As

such, to invite me to a contest of dueling slokas is a little disappointing.

However, I eagerly await you doing me the great honor of addressing my

question........what is not God?

 

jp

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyotisha Pandita,

I am talking about PARASARA only in Graha Sambandha. If you had read Jaimini

you would have realised that the work is an Upadesa and does not contain any

information about Graha Sambandha. Where did you read about this? Can you

quote the slokas at leat for my benefit and future reference?

With Warm Regards,

Sanjay Rath

 

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Friday, June 16, 2000 2301 SJVC

Fwd: [gjlist] Parivartana in dusthana houses

 

 

> Mr Rath:

>

> My friend thank you for your imput. However, to correct a Parashara

> astrologer with Jaimini sutras is specious at best. Yes, Jaimini does have

> its place, but it is by no means the primary method of chart analysis. I

also

> understand that you do not like my views on knowledge, which you classify

as

> sacred and profane. But I ask you, what is not God? How can you ask me to

> correct myself when what I describe is beyond your dualistic view of

> sacred/profane, good/bad. I understand that Krishna devotees tend to run

> toward that which is sattva, and to recoil in horror from what is rajasic

and

> tamasic. But I ask you again, what isn't God? And one final point...look

at

> any Parashara chart of planetary friendship, neutrality, and enmity and

you

> will see that Mercury is a friend to the moon and the moon is an enemy of

> mercury. It is there in black and white.

>

> Warmest regards,

> JP

>

>

>

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Om Vishnave Namah

Dear Pandita,

Thank you for your kind words. I cannot debate for like you I too search in

darkness. perhaps if we hold each other's hands and walk, then although we

stumble on each others toes once in a while, still there is the comfort that

we are going somewhere.

Thank you again.

With Regards

Sanjay Rath

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Saturday, June 17, 2000 1138 SJVC

Re: [gjlist] Parivartana in dusthana houses

 

 

>

> My dear Sanjayji, your renown as an astrologer and an author is legendary.

As

> such, to invite me to a contest of dueling slokas is a little

disappointing.

> However, I eagerly await you doing me the great honor of addressing my

> question........what is not God?

>

> jp

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Jyotishpandit,

 

>

> Your post contains some rather glaring errors. For example:

> 1. "For a Sag. lagna, Mercury is chief obstructor of the chart." My dear

> friend that is just plain silly. Mercury (unless conjoined with or afflicted

> by malefics) is a natural benefic. Mercury rules 7 and 10 for a Sag. lagna,

> and thus Mercury is a temporal benefic as well. And yes, Mercury becomes

> Maraka as ruler of 7th. This hardly qualifies Mercury to be chief obstructor

> for the Sag. lagna.

>

 

The term chief may be to strong, however Mercury is badhakesh and is not

friendly

to lagna lord Jupiter, thus you are not right in saying so

 

> 2. "It is good for Mercury to be combust for a Sag. lagna." Oh really, you

> think it is a good idea for the lord of the house of marriage and the house

> of career to be weakened? Do you really want problems in the career and

> marriage?

>

 

One should read between lines.For Saggitarius lagna, mercury reveals its

auspiciousness through sun and dharmakarmaadhipathi Yog.

Parashara nowhere mentions that mercury alone is auspicious for this

lagna.

>From this point of yours I agree that combustion will

affect marriage and career. My point was other, but you obviously didn't

catch

it.

 

>

> 3. "Profane knowledge would be forsaken for dharma." What exactly qualifies

> as profane knowledge in your estimation? If dharma is purpose in life, how do

> you explain that fact that someone's dharma may just be the aquisition of

> profane knowledge? Dharma is not about good or bad things. Hitler had the

> dharma to be a mass murderer. You see, it is beyong good and bad.

>

 

I disagree, and Das has already taken my point of view..

 

>

> 4."If Moon and Mercury are placed in trines from each other there will be

> uncontrolled sexuality." LOL. This is just too funny. Mercury in 5th and Moon

> in ninth will give uncontrolled sexuality?

>

 

Please read classics more carefully. More learned scholars than me and

you have

taken this point. Refer to chapter 4 quater 3 sutra 79 of Jaimini

Upadesha Sutras

translation of Pt.Sanjay Rath.

" If mercury is in trines to Navamsa Lagna/moon, she will be barren."

Note other comments of Sanjay Rath please..unless you think that Jaimini

is" too

funny"

 

> 5. "Buddha hates the Moon." Not at all. Mercury is a friend to the Moon. It

> is the Moon who is an enemy to Mercury.

>

 

That is exactly what I said, Moon is an enemy to Mercury, and he hates

it..

I am only sorry to see such a harsh tone in this letter of yours. It

doesn't go

with your email address.

Best wishes,

Zoran

 

P.S.

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyotish Pandit

There is God and God's energies . Suppose a man creates a company .That

company is his energy .He may know everything going on in every nook and

cranny of that company . Still that company is not him . So Panditji you

are God's energy but you are not God .

If you are God please give me the birth dates of my seven brothers and

sisters so I can take you seriously .

Hope this clears the confusion .

Nicholas

 

 

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Re: [gjlist] Parivartana in dusthana houses

Saturday, 17 June 2000 1:08

 

 

My dear Sanjayji, your renown as an astrologer and an author is legendary.

As

such, to invite me to a contest of dueling slokas is a little

disappointing.

However, I eagerly await you doing me the great honor of addressing my

question........what is not God?

 

jp

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[Guest guest]

hello

i too have the following natal with two exchanges in

rasi chart but no special rajyog. as per my knowledge

if this involves good and bad house then planet in bad

house is damaged but other one is boomed. so in the

following chart mars and venus(being in 8th and 6th)

must be damaged but sat and jupiter(being in quad)

must be boomed. can anyone put some more light over

it.

 

leo-asc

sco-jup,mer

sag-sun

cap-rahu,venus

pis-mars

tau-moon,sat

can-ketu

 

 

i have one more navamsha chart with two exchanges

leo-asc

sco-sun

cap-rahu,moon

aqu-mars

pis-jup

ari-sat

tau-mer

gem-venus

can-ketu

 

 

both of the person have nothing special as it should

be because of exchange. please pass your valuable

comments over the matter and the charts.

ghanshyam bansal

 

 

--- ttripath wrote: > Hi Vox,

>

> I have parivartana yoga - 10th lord in 9th and 9th

> lord in 10th. However, 11th

> lord is also in 9th with Sun, the 10th lord. Does

> this mean a career in religion ?

> So far, I have been a s/w engineer.

>

> Regards,

> Tarun

>

> >Namaste Vox

> >

> >Vox wrote:

> >

> >>since Mercury is exalted in Virgo in my tenth

> house, conjunct Sun ( not

> >> combust) in the tenth house. The reading I get

> for this states that

> >>mercury will give favorable results during her

> periods

> >

> >> In the navamsa, though, mercury is parivartana

> with venus, with venus in

> >the

> >> first and mercury in the twelfth; taurus ruling

> the twelfth and gemini

> >ruling

> >> the first.

> >>

> >> On top of that, there is also parivartana in the

> navamsa sixth and the

> >eighth

> >> -- Saturn in the sixth house in scorpio and mars

> exalted in the eighth in

> >> Capricorn. Jupiter is also in the eighth.

> >>

> >> What is the significance of mutual exchange in

> dusthana houses? What would

> >be

> >> the significance of mutual exchange in ALL of

> them?

> >>

> >

> >Dear Vox

> >

> >There are several positive indicators that the

> dasha period will be good:

> >1. Mercury is exalted

> >2. Mercury is in a Mahapurusha Yoga (Bhadra Yoga)

> in the 10th house

> >3. Mercury is the 10th lord in the 10th

> >4. Mercury is not combust, and in Budha-Aditya Yoga

> with a strong Sun

> >5. Mercury (lord of the 7th and 10th) forms Raja

> Yoga with 9th lord Sun

> >6. Mercury is placed in the 9th house of Dashamsha

> >

> >This seems to promise well for career, wealth,

> intellectual pursuits and

> >rise in status, perhaps involving computers and

> communications, or higher

> >education? The strongest Dharma-Karma Adhipati

> Yoga is said to be the

> >combination of the 9th and 10th lords.

> >

> >Also examine the nakshatra dispositor of Mercury

> (Moon for Mercury exalted

> >in Hasta), as this planet is also activated during

> the Mahadasha.

> >

> >The dashsa lord Mercury has gone into the 12th

> house in the Navamsha.

> >However, he is the lagna lord in the Navamsha, and

> is in the sign of a Great

> >Friend. The 1st lord in the 12th is said to be a

> difficult placement for

> >material life, but it is an excellent placement for

> spirituality, meditation

> >and Self-realisation, as there is loss (12th house)

> of ego (1st house). It

> >could also be good for foreign travels or working

> abroad. The Mercury

> >dasha, therefore, could be a good period for

> focusing on spirituality in

> >addition to your career!

> >

> >The Parivartana Yoga between the 1st and 12th lords

> Mercury and Venus, who

> >are actually great friends, is an exchange between

> an auspicious and an

> >inauspicious house, which again is probably

> excellent for spiritual growth

> >rather than material growth.

> >

> >There are 66 Parivartana Yogas, which can broadly

> and very simply be

> >classified into 3 types:

> >

> >1. Exchange of 'good' houses with 'good' houses

> (e.g. kendras and trikonas),

> >said to give excellent results.

> >2. Exchange of 'good' houses with 'difficult'

> houses, said to give mixed

> >results.

> >3. Exchange of dusthana houses with dusthana houses

> (a form of Viparita Raja

> >Yoga), said also to give excellent results, but

> after some initial

> >difficulties.

> >

> >There is a good chapter in the book 'Yogas in

> Astrology' by Dr Charak,

> >explaining the significance of all the various

> combinations. However, many

> >of the classical interpretations are not meant to

> be taken literally. Some

> >astrologers consider the planets involved in the

> exchange to act as if they

> >occupy their own houses.

> >

> >It would be good to hear from others on the list as

> to their experience of

> >Parivartana Yogas. So, for example, an exchange of

> 6th and 8th lords could

> >give obstacles (8th house) to disease (6th house).

> Is this your experience

> >Vox?

> >

> >I have an exchange between the 11th and 12th lords,

> and there have been many

> >cases of 'loss of gains' (i.e. heavy expenses!).

> So this probably hasn't

> >been good on a material level, but on another

> level, the 11th is a very

> >strong house of kama, or desire, and the 12th is

> moksha-bhava, the house of

> >enlightenment, so I think this Yoga has been good

> for spiritual gains.

> >

> >Indira Gandhi has an amazing chart with 3

> Parivartana Yogas.

> >

> >I hope that this has been of some help.

> >

> >Best wishes

> >

> >Steve

> >

> >

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