Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Hi, Das, as an astrologer and as a software developer, how do you respond to the Judge's ruling to split Microsoft? Lalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Thanks for asking. Bill Gates grabbed an early OS, created by someone else, and by smart dealmaking, manuevered it into first place in the early eighties. Thus having a stronghold on the computer market from OS (DOS) level early on, gained significant income. Like any good businessman, he reinvested earnings in related fields, namely application software, and continued to prosper all the more. Due to the early public impressions that an "IBM" was better than anything else, his OS became the dominant one. Apple came in and started to take the glory with the Mac OS which was engineered after DOS, and was significantly more attractive to most people. Gates took the idea, and was sued but won, and Windows continues to be dominate following in the upgrade trail of the success of DOS. Computers are so attractive, that everybody buys them, and hence, Bill Gates has become the Gate for all dollar bills, as he touches them all once or twice in a way, thus earning the status of being one of the richest people on Earth. Actually, he controls a number of corporations and trusts, and thus, under the protections of Corporate and Business Trust Law, has been propelling himself into positions of greater and greater amounts of control over more and more diverse businesses, much of which is unseen by everyone, as Corporate and Trust Law affords alot of secrecy. The government knows all about this, because they are lawyers. Then, the issue, is that should the maker of the dominant OS be able to make application software in house? Usually the obvious answer to all computer professionals is a clear NO. This is a very unfair advantage. Microsoft has made no hiding of the fact that they leverage this advantage, as much of their application software is delivered right with windows for free, or hooks into Windows in a way that only in house software could. But even if they make the case that all hooks are open to all other developers, the fact remains that they deliver so much preset "Microsoft-ness" into the OS, that most users will just go with it, hence, they instantly took over the browser marketplace, thus greatly hurting other browser companies like Netscape. They pre-deliver their MSN and other such things constantly. It's very obvious that the OS is more than just an OS, it's a whole Microsoft store waiting for you, and most people just go with it. What else is a new user or a casual computer user going to do? So to me it's a no brainer. If I were the King of America I'd break them up too, and make real sure that the two halves don't do hidden collusions behind the scenes. Gates should simply understand that he's rich enough, and that what he's doing is pure selfishness. There's a big world of people out there. His opinion and his wallet are not all that counts, so somebody has to stop him in this trail he's on. Astrologically, I think the collection of planets in Aries over the last so many months represent the strong opposition to his strong 5th house where his Laksmi Yoga resides. The conflagration included Jupiter, the holder of the Law. Now that Saturn moves to Taurus, or 8th from Libra, it strongly supports the decline of the longevity of Libra. Saturn transiting the 8th is a part of many or most of the "Death" yogas. So for Libra Lagna or Moon or Libra anything, this is a period starting now which is somewhat hard on the longevity of the Libran entity. The fifth house is sport and speculation. It's a big part of many rich folks lives. There's a competitive edge to it, as it drains the debts and enemies of their power. The fifth house is the wavelength on which Gates operates. It's about attracting others, winning, gambling, being smart and crafty, and so on. Gates is a classic example of all these things. His drive and will to overcome are amazing. In the computer arena at this time, the heart of the computer person goes to Linux, since it is a new, free, open source, operating system. This is a vast departure from the past. Windows is not free, very privately held code. Linux is open. The current OS's, both Windows and Mac are not. There is a trend these days towards promoting "Open Source", which is a like a movement in the computer world. It says "Sell your software, but give the source code too". This means that a programmer could alter the program for themselves or their company. It's an idea strong in the Unix and Linux worlds. But it is small. Long ago Apple had a software arm they split off, called Claris. They saw this and did it that way long ago. Microsoft should have done the same long ago too. There are other big powerful people, who control massive amounts of our economy, but they do so in hidden ways, things like Banks mostly. Their dominance over us all is hidden, and they are more integrated with the old families of the country, and the government. Gates on the other hand represents the very finest of the upstart entreprenurs, building a massive financial organization in a short time, as a single young person, and with a highly visible product line. He dominates so much in the computer world, that many other companies despise him openly constantly. This atmosphere makes him all too visible and his dominance is known to everyone. In fact, this split will hurt him if it's actually done correctly, but not all that much. He could still be so big, it's just a little harder to dominate if he cannot so overtly tie all his other wares into the OS. Libra rules the marketplace. His Laksmi Yoga is in Libra. He is certainly big in the marketplace of the world during his lifetime, so Libra is a big part of his life. Saturn entering the 8th therefrom spells hard times for him compared to the past. When Saturn gets to Gemini, Gates will personally not feel as great as he would have in the past. Things will be at least quieter, less growth, but more steady and maintain. He's getting older and he's not particularly a health conscious individual. He's undergone tremendous stress for years. He may think he's invincible, but we all wear out eventually. I personally find that rampant materialism is at a height, and the current lineup of Most Important Corporate CEO's let all hell through their companies in order to profit. I recently installed Windows 98 fresh on a system, with ALL the bells and whistles turned on, and I cruised the net in the "APPROVED" way, and found it to a jungle equal to TV in terms of marketting coming at me. And the mood of the marketting, is overall geared towards a very shallow world view. Most of it is garnished with miniskirts, young people, kids with dreadlocks and baggy pants, and so on. It's always so "current" and "trendy", it makes one ill. I think genuine consciousness is growing, and I think that the trend overall in society is towards more real hardy reality. I think the massive campaigns against Tobacco and Microsoft show the real signs of the times, that people are fed up with being spoon fed BS and allowing it just because somebody is profitting. I know that sounds weird, but that's how we've been operating as a country and people forever. If somebody makes their living on something, they have to be allowed to do it. That's gotta stop. Unscrupulous people will sell you poison if allowed to, and that's what alot of businesses are doing. As we enter this new age we're in, we've learned alot about ourselves. The web makes it all the more obvious what we are and are not. I think so many people are getting sick in so many ways, from all the garbage, that more and more accountability in terms of real service to humanity is being asked of companies, and of us as individuals. There are times when government is required, and this is one of them. I'm glad there is a multi step process, and that we don't live in a heavy handed autocracy of some sort, because tyranny would be the result. I think it's OK to work hard and do better than others, because the realities of Varna (natural castes) dicates this as a necessity in society for good health. But dominance, legal, perceived or defacto, is something that is bad for everyone. I find Bill Gates a very cruel individual. I say this because he never stops standing up for his mood, his ways, his company, and his plan for the world. But it's not his to dictate to. He decidedly ignores the graciousness that his position begs on all of us. He is purely corporate, purely business, and this is evil. When in power, there must be great care and concern for others. Microsoft has always been so hell bent on power it's unbelievable. Those of us who know intimite details of it's past, moreso than the average public person, know that Gates has always been EXTREMELY agressive about controlling IT ALL. He really thinks he's doing the world a great favor. There are sides to that which are true, arguably, especially in the arena of "Standards", which are important with computers, very, but then again, we want the right of self rule, or as Gandhi said, "we want the right to make our own mistakes". Gates is not my Guru. He shouldn't be anybody's Guru. Obviously, on this subject, I, like many other computer professionals, have sore feelings. By the way, YEARS AGO, everyone who was thinking in computers, was wondering why Microsoft DARED to make applications software ALSO. It's an OBVIOUS violation of decent behavior, period, when you understand how OS's and Applications interact. The fact they got away with it this long only shows our government is VERY SLOW. It's OBVIOUS this should not be allowed. Thanks for the opp. Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Sorry Das, but I disagree with you in part. I don't think we needed judicial activism and the Dept of Justice to topple Microsoft. I think in a matter of a year the market itself would have produced many cracks for all to see in Microsoft and then the next year it would have collapsed from within. Freedom will prevail. Systems like Linux are gaining in dominance--only to be toppled by the next wave of innovation and opportunity. Bill Gates was opportunistic and in the right place at the right time, clearly. We must not also forget those who GAVE him their money, millions and millions of US and world consumers who thought the system not all that bad. The economy is a two way street, the producers and the consumers, two sides of the same coin, as it were. We point the finger, but are not three fingers pointing back at us? With Uranus in Capricorn and Saturn in Aries we see the fast rising and fall of technology in the world today. Yes I am a libertarian (small l) but now becoming fast a siderealist!!! Microsoft....Windows, well it's all we got....for the moment that is. The moments are more and more swiftly moving on. Tomorrow out of the ruins of the leviathans I am sure will emerge a better technology, a better computer dream actualized. Lovers of truth, like astrologers and programmers, will hold high the torch, the world will follow in the way. Yes indeed, Das, Bill Gates brought light into the world. Bankers, industrialists, weapons producers and war mongerers do it in the dark, we never see or hear of them--it is they who I believe truly embody evil, or the power of illusion, in the world--they will be the instrumentality of earth's self destruction. The internet and computers, doing many things, have unified us somewhat, but have magnified human inanity to an unimaginable degree. Like I said, a few will lead the way....... ============================================ Curtis Burns 3800 Elliot Ave Minneapolis, MN 55407 PH/FX 612-823-9104 Website: http://www.globalpersonalvictory.com webmaster or, cburns ============================================ Das [] Wednesday, June 07, 2000 7:44 PM gjlist Re: [gjlist] Any Microsoft thoughts, Das? Thanks for asking. Bill Gates grabbed an early OS, created by someone else, and by smart dealmaking, manuevered it into first place in the early eighties. Thus having a stronghold on the computer market from OS (DOS) level early on, gained significant income. Like any good businessman, he reinvested earnings in related fields, namely application software, and continued to prosper all the more. Due to the early public impressions that an "IBM" was better than anything else, his OS became the dominant one. Apple came in and started to take the glory with the Mac OS which was engineered after DOS, and was significantly more attractive to most people. Gates took the idea, and was sued but won, and Windows continues to be dominate following in the upgrade trail of the success of DOS. Computers are so attractive, that everybody buys them, and hence, Bill Gates has become the Gate for all dollar bills, as he touches them all once or twice in a way, thus earning the status of being one of the richest people on Earth. Actually, he controls a number of corporations and trusts, and thus, under the protections of Corporate and Business Trust Law, has been propelling himself into positions of greater and greater amounts of control over more and more diverse businesses, much of which is unseen by everyone, as Corporate and Trust Law affords alot of secrecy. The government knows all about this, because they are lawyers. Then, the issue, is that should the maker of the dominant OS be able to make application software in house? Usually the obvious answer to all computer professionals is a clear NO. This is a very unfair advantage. Microsoft has made no hiding of the fact that they leverage this advantage, as much of their application software is delivered right with windows for free, or hooks into Windows in a way that only in house software could. But even if they make the case that all hooks are open to all other developers, the fact remains that they deliver so much preset "Microsoft-ness" into the OS, that most users will just go with it, hence, they instantly took over the browser marketplace, thus greatly hurting other browser companies like Netscape. They pre-deliver their MSN and other such things constantly. It's very obvious that the OS is more than just an OS, it's a whole Microsoft store waiting for you, and most people just go with it. What else is a new user or a casual computer user going to do? So to me it's a no brainer. If I were the King of America I'd break them up too, and make real sure that the two halves don't do hidden collusions behind the scenes. Gates should simply understand that he's rich enough, and that what he's doing is pure selfishness. There's a big world of people out there. His opinion and his wallet are not all that counts, so somebody has to stop him in this trail he's on. Astrologically, I think the collection of planets in Aries over the last so many months represent the strong opposition to his strong 5th house where his Laksmi Yoga resides. The conflagration included Jupiter, the holder of the Law. Now that Saturn moves to Taurus, or 8th from Libra, it strongly supports the decline of the longevity of Libra. Saturn transiting the 8th is a part of many or most of the "Death" yogas. So for Libra Lagna or Moon or Libra anything, this is a period starting now which is somewhat hard on the longevity of the Libran entity. The fifth house is sport and speculation. It's a big part of many rich folks lives. There's a competitive edge to it, as it drains the debts and enemies of their power. The fifth house is the wavelength on which Gates operates. It's about attracting others, winning, gambling, being smart and crafty, and so on. Gates is a classic example of all these things. His drive and will to overcome are amazing. In the computer arena at this time, the heart of the computer person goes to Linux, since it is a new, free, open source, operating system. This is a vast departure from the past. Windows is not free, very privately held code. Linux is open. The current OS's, both Windows and Mac are not. There is a trend these days towards promoting "Open Source", which is a like a movement in the computer world. It says "Sell your software, but give the source code too". This means that a programmer could alter the program for themselves or their company. It's an idea strong in the Unix and Linux worlds. But it is small. Long ago Apple had a software arm they split off, called Claris. They saw this and did it that way long ago. Microsoft should have done the same long ago too. There are other big powerful people, who control massive amounts of our economy, but they do so in hidden ways, things like Banks mostly. Their dominance over us all is hidden, and they are more integrated with the old families of the country, and the government. Gates on the other hand represents the very finest of the upstart entreprenurs, building a massive financial organization in a short time, as a single young person, and with a highly visible product line. He dominates so much in the computer world, that many other companies despise him openly constantly. This atmosphere makes him all too visible and his dominance is known to everyone. In fact, this split will hurt him if it's actually done correctly, but not all that much. He could still be so big, it's just a little harder to dominate if he cannot so overtly tie all his other wares into the OS. Libra rules the marketplace. His Laksmi Yoga is in Libra. He is certainly big in the marketplace of the world during his lifetime, so Libra is a big part of his life. Saturn entering the 8th therefrom spells hard times for him compared to the past. When Saturn gets to Gemini, Gates will personally not feel as great as he would have in the past. Things will be at least quieter, less growth, but more steady and maintain. He's getting older and he's not particularly a health conscious individual. He's undergone tremendous stress for years. He may think he's invincible, but we all wear out eventually. I personally find that rampant materialism is at a height, and the current lineup of Most Important Corporate CEO's let all hell through their companies in order to profit. I recently installed Windows 98 fresh on a system, with ALL the bells and whistles turned on, and I cruised the net in the "APPROVED" way, and found it to a jungle equal to TV in terms of marketting coming at me. And the mood of the marketting, is overall geared towards a very shallow world view. Most of it is garnished with miniskirts, young people, kids with dreadlocks and baggy pants, and so on. It's always so "current" and "trendy", it makes one ill. I think genuine consciousness is growing, and I think that the trend overall in society is towards more real hardy reality. I think the massive campaigns against Tobacco and Microsoft show the real signs of the times, that people are fed up with being spoon fed BS and allowing it just because somebody is profitting. I know that sounds weird, but that's how we've been operating as a country and people forever. If somebody makes their living on something, they have to be allowed to do it. That's gotta stop. Unscrupulous people will sell you poison if allowed to, and that's what alot of businesses are doing. As we enter this new age we're in, we've learned alot about ourselves. The web makes it all the more obvious what we are and are not. I think so many people are getting sick in so many ways, from all the garbage, that more and more accountability in terms of real service to humanity is being asked of companies, and of us as individuals. There are times when government is required, and this is one of them. I'm glad there is a multi step process, and that we don't live in a heavy handed autocracy of some sort, because tyranny would be the result. I think it's OK to work hard and do better than others, because the realities of Varna (natural castes) dicates this as a necessity in society for good health. But dominance, legal, perceived or defacto, is something that is bad for everyone. I find Bill Gates a very cruel individual. I say this because he never stops standing up for his mood, his ways, his company, and his plan for the world. But it's not his to dictate to. He decidedly ignores the graciousness that his position begs on all of us. He is purely corporate, purely business, and this is evil. When in power, there must be great care and concern for others. Microsoft has always been so hell bent on power it's unbelievable. Those of us who know intimite details of it's past, moreso than the average public person, know that Gates has always been EXTREMELY agressive about controlling IT ALL. He really thinks he's doing the world a great favor. There are sides to that which are true, arguably, especially in the arena of "Standards", which are important with computers, very, but then again, we want the right of self rule, or as Gandhi said, "we want the right to make our own mistakes". Gates is not my Guru. He shouldn't be anybody's Guru. Obviously, on this subject, I, like many other computer professionals, have sore feelings. By the way, YEARS AGO, everyone who was thinking in computers, was wondering why Microsoft DARED to make applications software ALSO. It's an OBVIOUS violation of decent behavior, period, when you understand how OS's and Applications interact. The fact they got away with it this long only shows our government is VERY SLOW. It's OBVIOUS this should not be allowed. Thanks for the opp. Raghu ------ Old school buds here: http://click./1/4057/1/_/913692/_/960425039/ ------ gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Hey Curtis, Excellent. Life is complex. You're right too! For anger targets, yes, I agree, the top banking families are my first choice. Weapons and all that, yeah, them too. I totally agree. I also agree that we all earn all this on our heads by participating. That is a much more key point. The power of change is in the hands of the people, because it's how they spend. Taking out credit gives power to banks, big time. It's up to us. Buying junk food feeds the junk companies, and so on. Austerity and goodness personally only, will lead to a better world. With love and enough brains to know that no opinion is ever alone true, and that's why I say, "we have to become one with duality". Peace and Love, Raghu (das) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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