Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2000 In a message dated 06/05/2000 10:17:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, LilaSh writes: << Mars being the lord of 4th and 9th house (Kendra & Trine) should not be that bad for Leo lagna as Mars is also a friend of lagan lord. I have checked with this guy and he says even in his various mars antardasas, he has never met with even a minor accident. >> Mars can give good effects, too, I agree! The way I've been reading these is to check first to see what is going on in navamsa -- it seems to really make a difference. For example, in my own case ( and this is why I asked the question yesterday), Mars is a troublemaker in a bad house, but it is also exalted in navamsa -- which probably doesn't shut down its violent tendencies but it does mitigate it somewhat. Is it vargottama? This helps the mars as well. I have been in three major accidents in my life and each time I was either knocked out or the accident, though it could have been deadly, was nothing much. Saturn dasa with mars bhukti and mars in the two next levels brought...nothing. I think that happened also in jupiter dasa. You should also check bindus, bhava bala, and shad bala, to see the overall condition of the twelfth house and planet mars. Some people say that an evil planet in an evil house is a good thing, because it gives strength to fight the evil. Also look for Vipreet Raj yoga. Instead of reading this as a death sentence I would say -- since mars is lord of four and nine -- watch the health of the mother and home and property -- watch the career-- because one of these might change, fast. Accidents: Maybe. But maybe not! It never hurts to tell someone to be careful, but there is also always the danger of being scared to death! In mars dasa, no matter how well placed mars is, getting one's brakes checked and deciding not to skydive are probably both good ideas. Then again, anyone can tell you this -- they have, in any period, some percentage of a chance of being right. If I were you I wouldn't dwell on this: The twelfth house is the house of Liberation -- not the house of Injury; the house of freedom from burdens, not the house of Jail. It rules: Liberation, enlightenment, sexual pleasures( possibly secret ones), detention, confinement, working within confinement ( will mars free the person from a rotten job, as lord of the ninth? ) loss, poverty ( but also charity -- as both giver and receiver), mercy ( probably very evident with Cancerian twelfth) sleep, self sacrifice, pilgrimages ( will he leave his childhood home to find his fortune? Sound possible with Cancer lord of twelfth) life after death, previous incarnations ( will this mars activate karma for good or ill?), self sacrifice, betrayal, and clumsiness! ( sounds like a good time to take up a balancing phsyical discipline -- why not martial arts? ) Vox Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2000 Dear Nicholas: I have yet another Mars question like others. I am reading a chart of a person who has Leo lagna with sun, mercury, ketu in 2nd, venus in 4th, Jup in 5th, Moon and Rahu conjoined in 8th and delibitated mars in 12th in Cancer. He has had his chart read by a couple of well known Indian Astrologers in India and they both said that in his Mars dasa (he is at present in Moon Rahu dasa) he would be prone to accidents, hospitalization, imprisonment etc. I disagree - the reason being: Mars being the lord of 4th and 9th house (Kendra & Trine) should not be that bad for Leo lagna as Mars is also a friend of lagan lord. I have checked with this guy and he says even in his various mars antardasas, he has never met with even a minor accident. Can you and others please comment on this. Thank you. Shamim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2000 Hello: 1. Is it possible to provide the birth details of this person? Regards - Satya - Shamim Lila <LilaSh <gjlist > Monday, June 05, 2000 10:46 PM [gjlist] Mars > Dear Nicholas: > > I have yet another Mars question like others. > I am reading a chart of a person who has Leo lagna with sun, mercury, > ketu in 2nd, venus in 4th, Jup in 5th, Moon and Rahu conjoined in 8th > and delibitated mars in 12th in Cancer. He has had his chart read by a > couple of well known Indian Astrologers in India and they both said that > in his Mars dasa (he is at present in Moon Rahu dasa) he would be prone > to accidents, hospitalization, imprisonment etc. I disagree - the > reason being: Mars being the lord of 4th and 9th house (Kendra & Trine) > should not be that bad for Leo lagna as Mars is also a friend of lagan > lord. I have checked with this guy and he says even in his various mars > antardasas, he has never met with even a minor accident. > > Can you and others please comment on this. Thank you. > > Shamim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2000 Hello Satya: TOB: October 7, 1949, New Delhi, India, 4:08 a.m. Thanks Shamim >>> "Satya Gopal Kalluri" <sgkall 06/05/00 02:02PM >>> Hello: 1. Is it possible to provide the birth details of this person? Regards - Satya - Shamim Lila <LilaSh <gjlist > Monday, June 05, 2000 10:46 PM [gjlist] Mars > Dear Nicholas: > > I have yet another Mars question like others. > I am reading a chart of a person who has Leo lagna with sun, mercury, > ketu in 2nd, venus in 4th, Jup in 5th, Moon and Rahu conjoined in 8th > and delibitated mars in 12th in Cancer. He has had his chart read by a > couple of well known Indian Astrologers in India and they both said that > in his Mars dasa (he is at present in Moon Rahu dasa) he would be prone > to accidents, hospitalization, imprisonment etc. I disagree - the > reason being: Mars being the lord of 4th and 9th house (Kendra & Trine) > should not be that bad for Leo lagna as Mars is also a friend of lagan > lord. I have checked with this guy and he says even in his various mars > antardasas, he has never met with even a minor accident. > > Can you and others please comment on this. Thank you. > > Shamim ------ Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! http://click./1/2567/1/_/913692/_/960228630/ ------ gjlist- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2000 Hello Shamim and List members: 1. Thanks for the information. Mars is quite weak due to debilitation, bad placement and affliction from Rahu. 2. As per my knowledge the conditions are indicative of troubles to father and chequered fortune. There are also indications of accidents not only due to weakness of Mars but also due to influence of the Moon and Rahu on the 8th house. 3. But, if such incidents have not occurred then it is good. I believe that the natal indications need a trigger to fructify. So, even though many Mars periods have gone by, the necessary transit triggers for accident etc. may not have occurred. In my opinion the native has to be careful. Regards - Satya > - > Shamim Lila <LilaSh > <sgkall; <gjlist > > Monday, June 05, 2000 11:48 PM > Re: [gjlist] Mars > > > > Hello Satya: > > > > TOB: October 7, 1949, New Delhi, India, 4:08 a.m. > > > > Thanks > > > > Shamim > > > > >>> "Satya Gopal Kalluri" <sgkall 06/05/00 02:02PM > > >>> > > Hello: > > > > 1. Is it possible to provide the birth details of this person? > > > > Regards - Satya > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2000 On the contrary, during the mars period, this person, may be taking up residence in some foreign country and may face problems relating to property in a foreign land. regards, manoj >"Satya Gopal Kalluri" <sgkall >gjlist ><gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Mars >Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:32:59 +0530 > >Hello: > >1. Is it possible to provide the birth details of this person? > >Regards - Satya > >- >Shamim Lila <LilaSh ><gjlist > >Monday, June 05, 2000 10:46 PM >[gjlist] Mars > > > > Dear Nicholas: > > > > I have yet another Mars question like others. > > I am reading a chart of a person who has Leo lagna with sun, mercury, > > ketu in 2nd, venus in 4th, Jup in 5th, Moon and Rahu conjoined in 8th > > and delibitated mars in 12th in Cancer. He has had his chart read by a > > couple of well known Indian Astrologers in India and they both said that > > in his Mars dasa (he is at present in Moon Rahu dasa) he would be prone > > to accidents, hospitalization, imprisonment etc. I disagree - the > > reason being: Mars being the lord of 4th and 9th house (Kendra & Trine) > > should not be that bad for Leo lagna as Mars is also a friend of lagan > > lord. I have checked with this guy and he says even in his various mars > > antardasas, he has never met with even a minor accident. > > > > Can you and others please comment on this. Thank you. > > > > Shamim > > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2000 Dear Shamin I have one chart in my files of a Leo lagna with Mars in 12th .His Mars mahadasha fell in child hood and early adolescence when he was quite rebellious .He did not regard it as a very happy time . He resides in a foreign country and does not own any property . In practise if there are half a dozen common meanings for the 4th house and half a dozen common meanings for the 12th then you have 36 possibilities .However it can be said more safely that debilitated planets give unhappiness and planets in the 12th give weak results .I do not think hospitalization is necessarily a good reading from this because Mars does not afflict the 12th.If the transits are poor and the lagna Lord is weak then hospitilization is a possibility .You have to see many things line up before making such prediction not base it on a single point . It is however a waste to place the yoga karaka in a dusthana . Hope this helps Nicholas ---------- Manoj Pathak <manojpathak gjlist Re: [gjlist] Mars Tuesday, 6 June 2000 6:14 On the contrary, during the mars period, this person, may be taking up residence in some foreign country and may face problems relating to property in a foreign land. regards, manoj >"Satya Gopal Kalluri" <sgkall >gjlist ><gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Mars >Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:32:59 +0530 > >Hello: > >1. Is it possible to provide the birth details of this person? > >Regards - Satya > >- >Shamim Lila <LilaSh ><gjlist > >Monday, June 05, 2000 10:46 PM >[gjlist] Mars > > > > Dear Nicholas: > > > > I have yet another Mars question like others. > > I am reading a chart of a person who has Leo lagna with sun, mercury, > > ketu in 2nd, venus in 4th, Jup in 5th, Moon and Rahu conjoined in 8th > > and delibitated mars in 12th in Cancer. He has had his chart read by a > > couple of well known Indian Astrologers in India and they both said that > > in his Mars dasa (he is at present in Moon Rahu dasa) he would be prone > > to accidents, hospitalization, imprisonment etc. I disagree - the > > reason being: Mars being the lord of 4th and 9th house (Kendra & Trine) > > should not be that bad for Leo lagna as Mars is also a friend of lagan > > lord. I have checked with this guy and he says even in his various mars > > antardasas, he has never met with even a minor accident. > > > > Can you and others please comment on this. Thank you. > > > > Shamim > > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com <http://www.hotmail.com> gjlist- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
