Guest guest Posted June 4, 2000 Report Share Posted June 4, 2000 I'm confused about the rules of E and D. If mars, for example, is at 28 degrees Cancer, it is debilitated. If it is at 20 degrees Cancer, is it still debilitated or less debilitated than at 28 degrees? Or does that hold true for the whole sign of Cancer? Likewise with exaltation. If this planet were in Capricorn at two degrees, would that make it exalted? Or would it have to be at 28 degrees? Also, is it true that if a planet is exalted in rasi but debilitated in navamsa, this debiltates the planet? What about in dusthana houses? Can the status be changed through a change in status in navamsa? Thanks. Vox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 In a message dated 06/05/2000 2:24:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, costa writes: << .I stick to the SA definitions of exaltation and MT which seem logical.and simple and use the full sign for exaltation and debilitation and do not ascribe any particular degree as giving more exaltation . >> . thanks Nicholas! This is the eventual conclusion I came to, since the texts I've read always say both things; for example, mars DEB at 28 degrees, however, in readings for the whole sign the planet is still debilitated. I'll happily read my own chart this way -- mars in cancer in the eighth, but in Capricorn in Navamsa ( and still in the eighth at six degrees ) gives its worst effects in the earlier part of life, and improves somewhat as time goes on, perhaps not protecting the poor beleaguered accident prone native totally but at least giving her a fighting chance. There is also Vipreet Raj yoga with the lord of twelfth ( scorpio ) in the eighth. Mars is also the strongest planet in abovesaid poor beleaguered accident prone native's Shad Bala. Hope! I'm about eighty five percent sure of my reading: What do you think? Thanks again. Love, Vox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 In a message dated 06/05/2000 6:26:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, marcia writes: << hello all: sorry to be so naive but i was wondering if someone could explain Vipreet Raj yoga please? thank you >> : ). Hi Marcia. Vipreet Raja Yoga is when the lord of a dusthana house ( 6, 8, 12) is in another dusthana house -- so if mars, which rules scorpio on the twelfth house cusp, is in the eighth, this is Vipreet Raja Yoga. It's supposed to temper the evil there by containing it or maybe the idea is two negatives make a positive or something like this. The Lord should also be alone in the house. It doesn't have to be a natural malefic lord for Vipreet to work -- Libra could be on the twelfth with venus in the eighth. It also helps to not be Buddy Holly. . HTH Vox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 hello all: sorry to be so naive but i was wondering if someone could explain Vipreet Raj yoga please? thank you Marcia At 02:49 PM 6/5/00, you wrote: >In a message dated 06/05/2000 2:24:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >costa writes: > ><< .I stick to the SA definitions of exaltation and MT which > seem logical.and simple and use the full sign for exaltation and > debilitation and do not ascribe any particular degree as giving more > exaltation . >> > > > . thanks Nicholas! This is the eventual conclusion I came to, since the >texts I've read always say both things; for example, mars DEB at 28 degrees, >however, in readings for the whole sign the planet is still debilitated. > >I'll happily read my own chart this way -- mars in cancer in the eighth, but >in Capricorn in Navamsa ( and still in the eighth at six degrees ) gives its >worst effects in the earlier part of life, and improves somewhat as time goes >on, perhaps not protecting the poor beleaguered accident prone native totally >but at least giving her a fighting chance. There is also Vipreet Raj yoga >with the lord of twelfth ( scorpio ) in the eighth. Mars is also the >strongest planet in abovesaid poor beleaguered accident prone native's Shad >Bala. > >Hope! I'm about eighty five percent sure of my reading: What do you think? > >Thanks again. > >Love, > >Vox > > >------ >How about a flat, no-fee long distance rate of 6.7¢ per min. - >or less? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you rates which >fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! >http://click./1/3820/1/_/913692/_/960241794/ >------ > > >gjlist- > @}-------->-------------- "Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck." The Dalai Lama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 In a message dated 06/05/2000 10:39:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, manojpathak writes: << Regarding exaltation and debilitation, you would find an answer in the Shadbala where you would find that the planet has not lost much strength when it is not exactly on the degrees of exaltation. 1 Rupa is the total strength, when it is exactly on exaltation and by rule of proportion, it does not lose much, by being at 20 degrees. >> Manoj, thanks for your answer -- can you just clarify this for me? I was understanding that exaltation and debilitation are not included in Shadbala calculations? Or is that wrong? Thanks. Vox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 > The Lord should also be > alone in the house. No. It can be with lord of that particular house. >It doesn't have to be a natural malefic lord for > Vipreet to work -- Libra could be on the twelfth with venus in the eighth. Idealy, Vipreet is when lord of 6th, 8th or 12th is not at the same time lord of trine or quadrant. Dbd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 >I'm confused about the rules of E and D. If mars, for example, is at 28 >degrees Cancer, it is debilitated. If it is at 20 degrees Cancer, is it >still >debilitated or less debilitated than at 28 degrees? Or does that hold true >for the whole sign of Cancer? Likewise with exaltation. If this planet were >in Capricorn at two degrees, would that make it exalted? Or would it have >to >be at 28 degrees? > >Also, is it true that if a planet is exalted in rasi but debilitated in >navamsa, this debiltates the planet? What about in dusthana houses? Can the >status be changed through a change in status in navamsa? Regarding exaltation and debilitation, you would find an answer in the Shadbala where you would find that the planet has not lost much strength when it is not exactly on the degrees of exaltation. 1 Rupa is the total strength, when it is exactly on exaltation and by rule of proportion, it does not lose much, by being at 20 degrees. REgarding Navamsha, no this does not debilitate the planet, theoretically but does make the planet weak in its overall assessment. regards, Manoj ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Dear Vox The theory is that Mars is at full exaltation at 20 degrees .It is still exalted throughout Capricorn . The theory for the Moon is that it is eaxlted in the first 3 degrees of Taurus where it is at full exaltationand after that it is in it's MT sign for the last 27 degrees of Taurus . One problem with this is that at it's suppopsedly point of full exaltation it is infancy .I stick to the SA definitions of exaltation and MT which seem logical.and simple and use the full sign for exaltation and debilitation and do not ascribe any particular degree as giving more exaltation . A planet exalted in Rasi and debillitated in Navamsa will give good results at first and poor results later .A planet which is debilitated in rasi and exalted in Navamsa will give poor results st first and better results later ..Planets are weak in dusthanas and struggle to give good results even when exalted . Planet Exaltation Debilitation MT Sun Aries----------Libra Leo Moon Taurus Scorpio Cancer Mercury Virgo Pisces Virgo Venus Pisces Virgo Libra Mars Capricorn Cancer Aries Jupiter cancer Capricorn Sagittarius Saturn Libra Aries Aquarius Rahu Taurus Scorpio Gemini Ketu Scorpio Taurus Saggitarius VoxIndigo gjlist [gjlist] Exaltation and Debilitation Monday, 5 June 2000 2:22 I'm confused about the rules of E and D. If mars, for example, is at 28 degrees Cancer, it is debilitated. If it is at 20 degrees Cancer, is it still debilitated or less debilitated than at 28 degrees? Or does that hold true for the whole sign of Cancer? Likewise with exaltation. If this planet were in Capricorn at two degrees, would that make it exalted? Or would it have to be at 28 degrees? Also, is it true that if a planet is exalted in rasi but debilitated in navamsa, this debiltates the planet? What about in dusthana houses? Can the status be changed through a change in status in navamsa? Thanks. Vox [<http://adimg./img/4821/1/_/913692/_/960189774/>] <http://click./1/4821/1/_/913692/_/960189774/> gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 In a message dated 06/06/2000 3:25:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, manojpathak writes: << It is indeed a part of it. Shadbala is strength calculated in six ways and exaltation is called Uccha Bala and is part of Sthana Bala. Hope it helps >> Very much! Thank you! I was assuming from the aforementioned Book On Astrology For Westerners Which Is Often Wrong that you had to read exalted or debilitated condition separately. Love, Vox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 >Manoj, thanks for your answer -- can you just clarify this for me? I was >understanding that exaltation and debilitation are not included in Shadbala >calculations? Or is that wrong?> It is indeed a part of it. Shadbala is strength calculated in six ways and exaltation is called Uccha Bala and is part of Sthana Bala. Hope it helps regards, Manoj ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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