Guest guest Posted April 29, 2000 Report Share Posted April 29, 2000 Dear Anuradha, Post the Rasi chart ONLY for starters...Lets see. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - <anuradha <gjlist > Monday, April 24, 2000 3:19 AM [gjlist] Marriage > Hi, I'm trying to decipher my chart using several posts (two > posts from Sanjay Rath) that I've seen on the gjlist as a guide. I'm > new to this so would be interested in your interpretation. Birth > info: Female, D'3'74, ~4.45a, 17n23, 78e29. > > --- > "Sanjay Rath" <rath > "Sanjay Rath" <rath > "GJLIST" <gjlist, <> > Re: Second Marriage > Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:05:45 +0530 > > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Raghu & all, > My answers to some of the questions are below:- > > > I understand that one can read the second marriage from the 2nd > > house (8th > > from the 7th, or death of the 1st marriage). Does anyone know > > just how this > > is done? > RATH: - > Let us look at the basics out here first. The signs in the Rasi and > Navamsa chart have to be studied for marriage. > > A) The seventh house shows the first marriage. > Thus the seventh house from lagna should show the Physical make > up of the partner in question and should also show the "Physical > mating habits" of the person himself. > > B) The Upapada is the Arudha Pada of the 12th house. It is associated > with the Maya or illusion of this world and things about the effects > of external environment on the spouse shall be seen from this. For > example the relationships with Father or mother in Law and other co- > born are to be seen from this Upapada. > > C) The natural significator is Venus and the seventh Lord from Venus > has the responsibility to bring the spouse. Thus, the placement of > this seventh lord from Venus in a movable sign or NavAmsa shall > indicate that the spouse shall come from a far off place, in a dual > sign/NavAmsa shall indicate not too far and a fixed sign or division > shall indicate someone nearby. Other details can be had from the > nature of this planet and those associating with it. > > END OF MARRIAGE > > A) The end of any house is seen from the second from it. Thus, the > end of the first marriage is seen from the eighth house which is the > second from it. Actually this means PHYSICAL SEPARATION. > > In fact if the Upapada is strong, but the seventh house becomes weak > and eighth house effects are felt, this will mean physical separation > between the couple and marriage as such may continue to survive in > this world of illusion. Thus people or outsiders will continue to > consider the couple as husband and wife when they are physically > separated. > > B) The second house from the Upapada gives the exact timing of the > actual breakage of marriage as everyone gets to know that this > separation, divorce or death of spouse has occured. > > C) The eighth house from Venus will bring those people who will > activate this breakage of marriage either PHYSICALLY, OR ACTUALLY. > > SECOND MARRIAGE > Having arrived at the eighth house where the end of marriage has > occured, we examine the seventh from here to find out the possibility > of re-marriage or the second marriage. Thus, > > A) The second marriage is to be seen from the seventh from eighth or > second house both in Rasi and Navamsa. This second house is also > examined for extramarital (Physical) relations outside the first > marriage. The standard texts give many combinations for this. If Mars > and Venus associate in a sign of either of them, then this shall > continue till death. If ketu aspects or conjoins, then this shall be > checked or controlled. In this manner, this can be examined. > > B) The eighth house from Upapada (being the seventh from the second > causing break of marriage)shall give the Maya associated with second > spouse and show the relationships with the parents etc of the second > spouse. > > C)The second Lord from Venus shall bring the second spouse. > > Q: Do you then read the chart using the 2nd house as the > > 1st house and > > then read it? > > HOW TO READ ABOUT SECOND MARRIAGE > > A) If the lord of the second is associated with Darapada (A7) then > the person had physical relationship before the marriage and this by > itself can be a cause of break of the first marriage. > In this manner all other things can also be studied. > > > > Once you are married once, does that complete the use of the 7th > > house as > > the house of marriage? > No it does not. The seventh house rules the Physical organ of sex and > this is an aspect of any marriage. The tastes likes and dislikes in > sexuality or basic sexual instincts do not change. What changes is > our view and self control over this entire aspect of life. Raghu has > given a nice reading. > > RAGHU WROTE:- > > > > Greetings, > > > > Firstly, a reminder of my period of study: 7 years only. > > > > Now to continue. > > > > In my experience, this technique does often work perfectly. That > > is, taking the 2nd house and it's placement attributes, as > > significators for the second serious long term relationship, with > > or without children. > > > > This means that you take the chart from the second house. > > Correct. I usually find that this nicely shows the persons > > relationship to their second long term relationship. > > > > Yes, this means you look at the whole chart from that house, but > > that can get wild, so mainly just see the house, any planets in > > it, where it's lord has gone, how nicely is that lord placed etc. > > > > The 7th house remains what it is however- that is, it dominates > > this arena of life as the first significator of it so to speak. > > Generally you will find people have a "hang up" or as we would > > rather say "some karma to work out" with a certain TYPE of > > spouse, and they pick this over and over in life. I have done > > that, as have many others. > > > > Here in the West, where we supposedly have "freedom to date > > spouses", we find that often people don't use that freedom at all > > very well, and end up in the same sort of situations over and over. > > > > I have seen that syndrome over and over in life- shared > > attributes between all the spouses a person chooses or happens to > > fall in together with in life. This is the nature of karma, and > > it works. So the seventh house will tend to indicate the overall > > nature of the spouses one experiences. > > > > Someone I know well has Jupiter in Aquarius in the seventh. Both > > I, one of his lifelong closest friends, and his wife, both have > > Moon in Aquarius, and both have prominent strong Jupiters. So he > > picks Jupiterized Aquarians. True. It's like that. Remember the > > seventh is contracts too, so it encompasses all persons who are > > seriously linked into your life in a committed way or binding way > > (any way where sharing karma together is guaranteed, as opposed > > to whimsical relating, which is the 11th (one of the houses which > > generates those impulses that are bad for the path back to > Godhead)). > > Rath: Just a small addition on what Raghu has already stated: That > Moon-Jupiter scene is what is the real life effect of Gajakesari. > Check your own Moon signs and you will find that people with Jupiter > in this sign in their own birth charts are the ones who have been > most beneficial for you. They are like Vishnu for you. Ideally, the > Jupiter in the male chart and Moon in the female chart should be in > the same sign. This also indicates that when people come together, > ther is some kind of an intermingling of their aura or charts. People > having Natal Rahu in your Natal Moon sign shall cause you some sorrow > or hurt..and so on. Thus, it will be easy to determine a birth date > range for looking for a good spouse. > > This principle can also be extended to the Navamsa in a chart. > This is a part of Brighu's & Jaimini teachings. For example if a > planet is in a sign (A), then any other planet placed in Navamsa (A) > or transiting Navamsa (A) shall be influenced by it. Let us say Ketu > is in Pisces, then the transit of the Sun (in any sign) in the > navamsa of Ketu can cause conception and pregnancy can result. The > technical term used in this case for Pisces navamsa is KETVAMSA. In > this manner, the sign occupied by Jupiter in Rasi chart is called > Guramsa in the Navamsa or the sign occupied by Lagna in Rasi chart is > called Lagnamsa in the Navamsa. Planets placed in Lagnamsa activate > the Lagna during their periods or the days ruled by them. In the same > way the planets placed in Guramsa activate Jupiter during their > periods or the days ruled by them. So also do planets transiting such > specific navamsa activate them. Thus the transit of a planet in a > particular sign maybe for a long time, but its effect on a specific > other planet in the Rasi chart shall be for smaller periods. > > > > > I have found this system works very well. Taking the 2nd for > > second, 9th for 3rd, 4th for 4th, marriages etc. But they must > > be serious and long term. Not whimsical...there has to have been > > serious emotional entanglement and commitment, at least > > attempted, for a good amount of time, otherwise they show up > > elsewhere. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Das Goravani > > > Best Regards, > Sanjay Rath > Sri Jagannath Vedic Center > 152-B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, > INDIA 110091.Tel:+91-11-2489531 > Website: http://www.sjvc.net > > --- > > >"Sanjay Rath" <srath > >gjlist > ><gjlist >, "Varaha Mihira Jyotish List" > <varahamihira > > >[gjlist] Dharma & Marriage > >Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:02:40 +0530 > > > >JAYA JAGANNATHDear Jyotisha, > >Jaya Jagannath > > > >The paper presented by me on the one day seminar on Jyotish hosted > by the Brahmin Samaj, Faridabad (Haryana, India) is given below. I > hope you find it interesting. Of course, what I spoke was completely > extempore and was on Satya/Maya and the Arudha Pada vs. Ist/7th > house; Horoscope of Sri Ram to understand Mangalik Dosha and some > other points on how some astrologers are peddling the "perceived > differences" between the Maharishi's Parasara & Jaimini to sell their > ware.... > > > >I hope it was recorded and will try to get it for you (incase you > are interested). > > > >Best Wishes > >Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > >--- > --------- > > > > Marriage > >Dharma is the foundation of marriage > >By Sanjay Rath (Feb 2000) > > > > > >Bhagavan Sri Krishna teaches that the first signs of the fall in > Dharma is the corruption of women: Extract from: Bhagavat Gita-As it > is by Srila Prabhupada > > > > > > adharmäbhibhavät kåñëa > > > > praduñyanti kula-striyaù > > > > stréñu duñöäsu värñëeya > > > > jäyate varëa-saìkaraù > >TRANSLATION > > > >When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Kåñëa, the women of > the family become polluted, and from the degradation of womanhood, O > descendant of Våñëi, comes unwanted progeny. (BG:1.40) > > > > > > > >Dharma is examined in the ninth house and the one-ninth division of > signs is called Navamsa. Parasara advises us to examine this > divisional chart (Navamsa) for spouse as it is the fruit/gains of > Dharma. Thus the 11th sign from the 9th house is the 7th house which > shows gains/increase of Dharma and the 12th sign from the 9th house > in the 8th house which shows loss/decrease of Dharma. Thus, marriage > indicates an increase of Dharma while widowhood symbolizes a > destruction of Dharma. In these tense in Hindu wedding the son-in-law > is regarded as Vishnu as his coming to the family has led to an > increase in Dharma. > > > > The Sun is a significator of Dharma and hence Maharishi > Jaimini teaches that the Sun can never be a malefic for Upapada > (Arudha of 12th house symbolizing the Vivaha Mandapa[1]). Rahu is the > greatest enemy of the Sun and causes its eclipse. Thus Rahu > symbolizes destruction of Dharma and also widowhood. Saturn is an > enemy of the Sun and significator of the 8th house (ruling > widowhood/break in marriage) whereas Jupiter is a friend of the Sun > and saves marriages by giving children. In fact Chanakya[2] Niti[3] > teaches that a person who is not desirous of having children should > not marry. Venus (ruling semen) shows sexuality and physical beauty > whereas Mars shows the destruction of semen /preservation and > indicates Brahmacharya[4] thus Mars causes the first error (dosha) on > the significator of natural procreation. Ketu is always opposite to > Rahu and both Parasara and Jaimini teach that it causes marriage. In > fact it indicates the bestiality in man which is controlled by > worshipping Lord Shiva as Pasupati[5]. The Moon is a significator of > mother hood and will surely give marriage whereas Mercury the bastard > son of the Moon indicates Adharma or children etc. born outside > marriage and thus, obstructs or break the purity of marriage > relationship. Thus, Jaimini teaches that if Moon & Mercury are in > mutual trines in the Navamsa the character may fall and marriage vows > maybe broken while if Mercury is aspected by Jupiter (the pure > representative of Vishnu) then purity prevails and marriage vows will > be kept. > > > > Scorpio is the natural eighth house of the zodiac and if > Mercury & Venus are in Scorpio Navamsa then the person is of very > loose morals. In this manner the various rules/dictums given in the > classical literature can be understood. > > > > > > > >Illustrations > >(Some Birth details are with held for obvious reasons) > > > >Chart1: Female born on 31st January 1951. > > > >Chart 1 is the Navamsa of a Lady born in a Brahmin family. The sixth > Lord Mars is in the ninth house aspected by Rahu. Rahu also eclipse > the Sun and Moon in Lagna. Thus fall in Dharma is to occur. Ketu, > signifying sexuality is in the seventh house as the 7th Lord Jupiter > and seventh house are both afflicted by Saturn (a dire malefic > signifying and ruling the 8th house). Both Venus and Mercury are in > Scorpio (specific combination for Low morals). The second house from > Navamsa Lagna in Cancer aspected by Mars & Venus by Rasi drishti. > Thus all planets point at one thing-fall of Dharma and excessive > uncontrolled sexuality. This Lady has lost all morals and has had all > sorts of men in her life. > > > >Chart 2 : Female born on 30th May 1954 at 7:40' PM at Delhi, India. > > > >In Chart 2 The Lagna is subject to Papakartari Yoga between Rahu, > Mars and Saturn indicating a life of some kind of bondage. The ninth > Lord Moon is all placed in the sixth house showing a fall in Dharma. > Venus in the 8th house is also very evil for marriage. In the Navamsa > Saturn is in Capricorn Navamsa aspected by Ketu (Rasi Drishti) > indicating either adultery or Tapaswi (Sanyasi) depending on whether > Jupiter is strong. Jupiter is afflicted by Rahu's aspect both in Rasi > and Navamsa and is placed in a Dusthana (8th & 12th) in both Rasi & > Navamsa. Thus Jupiter is afflicted. In the Navamsa it is under > Papakartari Yoga between Saturn & Rahu. In female horoscopy Jupiter > is the significator of husband and unless this is strong, married > life will not be present or not happy. > > > > > > Venus is in the second house aspected by Mars from the > eighth showing ability (or talent!) for all kinds of sex. Both > debilitated Moon and Mercury are in Scorpio indicating excessive > illegal sexuality and conjoined with Rahu shows the extensive nature > of these activities. Her life is a sad story of exploitation and rape > finally leading to the infamous profession of prostitution. > > > >VEDIC REMEDY > > There are various remedial measures given for solving > marriage problems like delay in marriage, divorce etc. Some of them > are very tamasic like black magic and others give temporary results. > When it is clearly established that Dharma alone protect the > purity/marriage then the highest and surest remedy lies in increasing > Dharma. Bhagwan Vishnu sits in the ninth house of Dharma and > worshipping him with the Astakshari mantra "OM NAMO NARAYANAYA" or > meditating with the mantra " OM TAT SAT" is the best remedy. In > addition, a gemstone of the Lord of ninth house (in Rasi Chart) and > fasting on days ruled by the Lord of Upapada can be prescribed. > > > > > > > >OM TAT SAT > > > > > > > > > >--- > ----------- > > > >[1] Vivaha means marriage and mandapa means the place where this is > solemnized through Vedic rituals. > > > >[2] Kautilya better known as Chanakya was the able administrator and > Minister of Chandragupta Maurya. His work on administration > named "Artha Shastra" is the greatest of kind. > > > >[3] Niti means code of conduct or behavior. > > > >[4] celibacy > > > >[5] Pasu: Animal; Pati: Lord; Thus pasupati means Lord of all > animals including man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. 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