Shiva worship and intoxicants consumption

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  Namaskar Shaivites,

 

    First, I would like to say that I am delighted and very glad to

be able to be on this forum exchanging information and learning more

about this very ancient religion which is Shaivism.

    Then, I would like to posit a question that perhaps can be

answered by some members.

    Some years ago, I met a group of people from Europe. They were

visiting my city. We met at the beach (there are many wondrous

beaches in Rio de Janeiro where I live). I was interested in the

fact that they consumed intoxicants such as cannabis, alcohol and

others, and asked them about it. One of them said he was a Shaivite,

and that just as Lord Shiva did consumption of intoxicants and was

never killed or harmed by them, he also did this as a form of

identifying himself with Lord Shiva and as a devotional practice. I

was bewildered and some days later there was a party to be held on

another beach. They were going to this party and I was going too.

    When I was at the party and met them the one that had become my

closest friend, whom I chatted with often, (Paul from England),

called me and said: "now we are going to do Shiva worship, if you

want you can come." , and I was delighted and said okay, and on the

way to the place I was told to stay quiet until the worship was

finished. The worshipping was made smoking strong hashish

called "charas" in a device called "bong". There was a circle of

people and everyone was silent. The bong went all around from one

person to the next until about 10 minutes later the man who seemed

to be heading the worship bowed and everyone bowed too. Then we

began to talk, some people left for a walk, and it was a very good

atmosphere. I talked about music and about my seeing of my previous

births with Paul and his girlfriend and Juka (from Finland) who was

also there.

    My question is: what is the role of intoxicants/inebriants in

Shiva worship, and were these people I met really Shaivites or not?

I was really impressed by their kind, honest and disciplined

behaviour, in spite of consuming several intoxicants they never

seemed "out of their minds" or crazy or did stupid things. Could

this be due to protection from Shiva or something similar?

    Best regards for everyone,

    Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Om Namah Shivaya

Dear Fred, There are many more learned and knowledgeable members on

this list but I am answering your query based on whatever little I

know and have experienced. Every morning, after taking bath and before

eating breakfast, you chant "Om Namah Shivaya" with faith and

reverence and correct pronounciation and you experience the results

yourself. Your questions will disappear by themselves and seem

irrelevant to you.

Nama Shivaya is a vedic mantra and if you understand and chant a vedic

mantra correctly and consistently, it gives you mental peace and

equanimity. I am not aware of any Vedic injunction to consume liquor

etc as part of Shiva worship. As far as I know, the vedas say

that "Suram na pibet (do not consume liquor)".

 

I request the learned members to correct me if I stated something

wrong.

 

regards,

Om Namah Shivaya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  Hello Mahadevadvaita,

 

   Thank you for your reply. I will do this practice, as I am in

need of more confidence and faith. Also humility. For some time I

have wondered through the spiritual path in search of power but it

is just not so. How better is my life now... I was in the wrong way

for me.

   May Lord Shiva bless us all.

   Fred

 

, "mahadevadvaita"

<mahadevadvaita> wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya

> Dear Fred, There are many more learned and knowledgeable members

on

> this list but I am answering your query based on whatever little I

> know and have experienced. Every morning, after taking bath and

before

> eating breakfast, you chant "Om Namah Shivaya" with faith and

> reverence and correct pronounciation and you experience the

results

> yourself. Your questions will disappear by themselves and seem

> irrelevant to you.

> Nama Shivaya is a vedic mantra and if you understand and chant a

vedic

> mantra correctly and consistently, it gives you mental peace and

> equanimity. I am not aware of any Vedic injunction to consume

liquor

> etc as part of Shiva worship. As far as I know, the vedas say

> that "Suram na pibet (do not consume liquor)".

>

> I request the learned members to correct me if I stated something

> wrong.

>

> regards,

> Om Namah Shivaya

>

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Sivaya

Tirumantiram by Rishi Tirumular ( a direct disciple of Lord Siva)

Verse 326 : The Wicked Drink in Vama Tantra

Lust and drink, fit for the wicked are they;

In ritual unholy they drink and lose the senses

But the wise drink the nectar streaming from His

feet,

Which destroys egoism and bigotry

Verse 327: Drinking in Vama Tantra Worship Leads to Perdition

They drink and perish, who to the Vama sect belong,

The lustful ones in sensual delights are wholly lost;

But the pure souls find the Light of sacrifices in their inner flame;

They who His true name chant, approach Him fast.

Verse 328: Truth Eludes Drunkards

They see not the truth, know not the Pasu-Pasa,

They dwell not in the bounteous Lord's Divine

Grace;

In the clear light of Wisdom, Sivayoga they seek

not,

They, who soak in liquors, Truth never can appraise.

Verse 329: Followers of False Religion Neither Seek nor See Him

The fools who swear by the faith that our senses

numbs,

Who yield to the heady joys of drink - they neither

seek or see

Mamaya's Home, for the Maya's fetters are they

bound;

But recovered from Maya's hold, they merge in the

Lord and are free.

Verse 330: Wine Stupefies Senses and Destroys Truth

The fumes of wine stupor bring and destroy the

Truth,

And make us seek the false, delusive joys of lust;

Such advance not to Wisdom true, of sweet reason

compact.

Will such attain the eternal Bliss truest?

Sivaya Namah

atmadarshanam <fsgss (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Namaskar Shaivites,

 

First, I would like to say that I am delighted and very glad to

be able to be on this forum exchanging information and learning more

about this very ancient religion which is Shaivism.

Then, I would like to posit a question that perhaps can be

answered by some members.

Some years ago, I met a group of people from Europe. They were

visiting my city. We met at the beach (there are many wondrous

beaches in Rio de Janeiro where I live). I was interested in the

fact that they consumed intoxicants such as cannabis, alcohol and

others, and asked them about it. One of them said he was a Shaivite,

and that just as Lord Shiva did consumption of intoxicants and was

never killed or harmed by them, he also did this as a form of

identifying himself with Lord Shiva and as a devotional practice. I

was bewildered and some days later there was a party to be held on

another beach. They were going to this party and I was going too.

When I was at the party and met them the one that had become my

closest friend, whom I chatted with often, (Paul from England),

called me and said: "now we are going to do Shiva worship, if you

want you can come." , and I was delighted and said okay, and on the

way to the place I was told to stay quiet until the worship was

finished. The worshipping was made smoking strong hashish

called "charas" in a device called "bong". There was a circle of

people and everyone was silent. The bong went all around from one

person to the next until about 10 minutes later the man who seemed

to be heading the worship bowed and everyone bowed too. Then we

began to talk, some people left for a walk, and it was a very good

atmosphere. I talked about music and about my seeing of my previous

births with Paul and his girlfriend and Juka (from Finland) who was

also there.

My question is: what is the role of intoxicants/inebriants in

Shiva worship, and were these people I met really Shaivites or not?

I was really impressed by their kind, honest and disciplined

behaviour, in spite of consuming several intoxicants they never

seemed "out of their minds" or crazy or did stupid things. Could

this be due to protection from Shiva or something similar?

Best regards for everyone,

Fred

[Guest guest]

thirumoolar refers to those who practise vama tantra for self gratification, and not those who really practise it to reach the divinity. In fact thirumoolar himself talks of "pariyanga yogam" (i don't remember the chapter, but this can be easily found among the contents), which is the raising of kundalini while engaged in union, which is very much the main practice in vama tantra.

regards,

R Rajagopal

 

Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Om Namah Sivaya

Tirumantiram by Rishi Tirumular ( a direct disciple of Lord Siva)

Verse 326 : The Wicked Drink in Vama Tantra

Lust and drink, fit for the wicked are they;

In ritual unholy they drink and lose the senses

But the wise drink the nectar streaming from His

feet,

Which destroys egoism and bigotry

Verse 327: Drinking in Vama Tantra Worship Leads to Perdition

They drink and perish, who to the Vama sect belong,

The lustful ones in sensual delights are wholly lost;

But the pure souls find the Light of sacrifices in their inner flame;

They who His true name chant, approach Him fast.

Verse 328: Truth Eludes Drunkards

They see not the truth, know not the Pasu-Pasa,

They dwell not in the bounteous Lord's Divine

Grace;

In the clear light of Wisdom, Sivayoga they seek

not,

They, who soak in liquors, Truth never can appraise.

Verse 329: Followers of False Religion Neither Seek nor See Him

The fools who swear by the faith that our senses

numbs,

Who yield to the heady joys of drink - they neither

seek or see

Mamaya's Home, for the Maya's fetters are they

bound;

But recovered from Maya's hold, they merge in the

Lord and are free.

Verse 330: Wine Stupefies Senses and Destroys Truth

The fumes of wine stupor bring and destroy the

Truth,

And make us seek the false, delusive joys of lust;

Such advance not to Wisdom true, of sweet reason

compact.

Will such attain the eternal Bliss truest?

Sivaya Namah

atmadarshanam <fsgss (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Namaskar Shaivites,

 

First, I would like to say that I am delighted and very glad to

be able to be on this forum exchanging information and learning more

about this very ancient religion which is Shaivism.

Then, I would like to posit a question that perhaps can be

answered by some members.

Some years ago, I met a group of people from Europe. They were

visiting my city. We met at the beach (there are many wondrous

beaches in Rio de Janeiro where I live). I was interested in the

fact that they consumed intoxicants such as cannabis, alcohol and

others, and asked them about it. One of them said he was a Shaivite,

and that just as Lord Shiva did consumption of intoxicants and was

never killed or harmed by them, he also did this as a form of

identifying himself with Lord Shiva and as a devotional practice. I

was bewildered and some days later there was a party to be held on

another beach. They were going to this party and I was going too.

When I was at the party and met them the one that had become my

closest friend, whom I chatted with often, (Paul from England),

called me and said: "now we are going to do Shiva worship, if you

want you can come." , and I was delighted and said okay, and on the

way to the place I was told to stay quiet until the worship was

finished. The worshipping was made smoking strong hashish

called "charas" in a device called "bong". There was a circle of

people and everyone was silent. The bong went all around from one

person to the next until about 10 minutes later the man who seemed

to be heading the worship bowed and everyone bowed too. Then we

began to talk, some people left for a walk, and it was a very good

atmosphere. I talked about music and about my seeing of my previous

births with Paul and his girlfriend and Juka (from Finland) who was

also there.

My question is: what is the role of intoxicants/inebriants in

Shiva worship, and were these people I met really Shaivites or not?

I was really impressed by their kind, honest and disciplined

behaviour, in spite of consuming several intoxicants they never

seemed "out of their minds" or crazy or did stupid things. Could

this be due to protection from Shiva or something similar?

Best regards for everyone,

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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