Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 God Exists? The notion of God means an absolutely perfect being. An absolutely perfect being must have all the positive attributes, including the attributes of existence. So God must exist. The existence of God cannot be proved by scientific experimentation. It is purely a question of faith and refers to the intuitive side of man. The deepest craving, the deepest aspiration in man is for eternal happiness, eternal knowledge and eternal Truth. Man should search for some supernatural entity which can satisfy his deepest craving and aspirations. As we explain everything within Nature by the law of cause and effect, so also Nature as a whole must be explained. It must have some cause. This cause must be different from the effect. It must be some supernatural entity, i.e., God. Nature is not a mere jumble of accidents, but an orderly affair. The planets move regularly in their orbits, seeds grow into trees regularly, the seasons succeed each other in order. Now Nature cannot order itself. It requires the existence of an intelligent being, i.e.God, who is responsible for it. Even Einstein, the great scientist, was strongly convinced of the creation of the universe by a Supreme Intelligence.Everything in Nature has some purpose. It fulfills some function or other. Certainly every object by itself cannot choose a function for itself. Their different functions ought to have been planned or designated by a single intelligent being or God. Even a fool thinks that he is wise. Everyone wants to show that he knows more than others. Nobody likes to be called a fool. Children tease their parents with various sorts of questions. The desire to know is ingrained in them. These indicate that our essential nature is knowledge. When a man laughs, people seldom ask why he is laughing. On the other hand when a man cries, everybody asks why he is crying. This shows that our essential nature is bliss. No one wants misery, but everyone want happiness, and all one's activities in life are directed towards the acquisition of happiness. This also proves that our real nature is bliss. In deep sleep when there are no objects, senses or mind, we feel bliss; hence our essential nature should be bliss. That again is the reason why people ailing from painful maladies even desire to give up their bodies and thus get rid of the pain. If everyone then is of the nature of existence-knowledge-bliss, there should be an all-pervading principle having these characteristics and different from the perishable, inert pain-giving physical bodies. Therefore, Brahman or God, whose nature is Existence-Knowledge-Bliss (Sat-Chit-Ananda), should exist. The existence of God or the Self is determined or indicated by the existence of the Upadhis or limiting adjuncts, viz., body, mind, Prana and the senses, because there must be self-consciousness behind their activities. You always feel that, despite your possessions and all sorts of comforts, you are in want of something. There is no sense of fullness. Only if you add to yourself the all-full God, you will have fullness. When you do an evil action, you are afraid. Your conscience pricks you. This also proves that God exists and witnesses all your thoughts and actions. To define Brahman is to deny Brahman. The only adequate description of Brahman is a series of negatives. That is the reason why the sage Yajnavalkya declares in the 'Brihadaranyaka Upanishad' about Brahman as neti, neti, or 'not this', 'not this.' This means that the residue left after sublating the names and forms is Brahman. Brahman or the Self or the Immanent God cannot be demonstrated as He is beyond the reach of the senses and mind but His existence can be inferred by certain empirical facts or common experiences in daily life. Sometimes you are in a peculiar dilemma or pressing pecuniary difficulty. Help comes to you in a mysterious manner. You get the money just in time. Most of you might have experienced this. You exclaim at that moment in joy "God's ways are mysterious indeed; I have got now full faith in God. Up to this time I had no faith in God." An advocate had no faith in God. He developed double pneumonia. His breath stopped. His wife, son and relatives began to weep. But he had a mysterious experience. The messengers of Yama caught hold of him and brought him to the court of Lord Yama. Lord Yama said to his messengers: "This is not the man I wanted. You have brought a wrong person. Send him off." He began to breathe after some time. He actually experienced that he left the body, went to the court of Yama and again re-entered his physical body. This astonishing experience changed his entire nature. He developed an intense faith in God and became a religious man. Another educated person had a similar experience, but there was some change in this case. He was also an atheist. His soul was brought by the messengers of Yama to his court. This person asked Yama: "I have not finished my work in the physical plane. I have to do still more useful work. Kindly spare my life now." His boon was granted. He was struck with wonder on this strange experience. His nature also was entirely changed. He left his job at once. He devoted the remaining portion of his life in selfless service and meditation. Some people die when they are eighty years old; some die when they are in the womb; some die at twenty; some at forty. What is the cause for the variation? Who has fixed the span of life for all? This clearly proves that there is the theory of Karma, that there is one Omniscient Lord who is the dispenser of the fruits if the actions of the Jivas (individual souls), who fixes the span of life of the Jivas in accordance with their nature of Karmas or actions, who knows the exact relation between Karmas and their fruits. As Karma is Jada or insentient, it cannot dispense with the fruits of their actions. Whether the owl accepts the presence of light or not, there is always light. Whether you accept the existence of God or not, He always exists. He is ever shining in the 'three periods of time.' He exists before you begin to search for Him. He is closer to you than your breath and nearer to you than your hands and feet. Baba Said.... "The perpetual delusion under which the disciple is laboring, that he is the body, that he is a creature (jiva) or ego, that God and the world are different from him, is an error inherited from innumerable past births". Jai Sai Ram Swamy Mahadevan Bow to Shri Sai-Peace be to all Baba Bless you ever!!! Related Link: 1. Sai Baba News & pictures: " on the web. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Dear Sai Brother, Sairam.. a question arises in the mind.. hope you will be able to clarify this.. if Man is always Divine.. When did he start his journey as an Individual, carrying this corpse? because of his karma? If there is a (Cycle) beginning, he was faultless as Prajapati was the creator (Total Mind). Prajapati is born out of the divine will.(Divine Leela) Why divine wills? is there a will to divine for a creation? Why he has to create and also he keeps saying his own creation is miserable..and the scriptures declare to get out of this Karmic cycle.? pls reply love and sairam On 5/1/06, Swamy Mahadevan <mahadevanvnswamy > wrote: > > God Exists? > > The notion of God means an absolutely perfect being. An absolutely > perfect being must have all the positive attributes, including the > attributes of existence. So God must exist. The existence of God > cannot be proved by scientific experimentation. It is purely a > question of faith and refers to the intuitive side of man. > > The deepest craving, the deepest aspiration in man is for eternal > happiness, eternal knowledge and eternal Truth. Man should search > for some supernatural entity which can satisfy his deepest craving > and aspirations. As we explain everything within Nature by the law > of cause and effect, so also Nature as a whole must be explained. It > must have some cause. This cause must be different from the effect. > It must be some supernatural entity, i.e., God. > > Nature is not a mere jumble of accidents, but an orderly affair. The > planets move regularly in their orbits, seeds grow into trees > regularly, the seasons succeed each other in order. Now Nature > cannot order itself. It requires the existence of an intelligent > being, i.e.God, who is responsible for it. Even Einstein, the great > scientist, was strongly convinced of the creation of the universe by > a Supreme Intelligence.Everything in Nature has some purpose. It > fulfills some function or other. Certainly every object by itself > cannot choose a function for itself. Their different functions ought > to have been planned or designated by a single intelligent being or > God. > > Even a fool thinks that he is wise. Everyone wants to show that he > knows more than others. Nobody likes to be called a fool. Children > tease their parents with various sorts of questions. The desire to > know is ingrained in them. These indicate that our essential nature > is knowledge. When a man laughs, people seldom ask why he is > laughing. On the other hand when a man cries, everybody asks why he > is crying. This shows that our essential nature is bliss. No one > wants misery, but everyone want happiness, and all one's activities > in life are directed towards the acquisition of happiness. This also > proves that our real nature is bliss. In deep sleep when there are > no objects, senses or mind, we feel bliss; hence our essential > nature should be bliss. That again is the reason why people ailing > from painful maladies even desire to give up their bodies and thus > get rid of the pain. > > If everyone then is of the nature of existence-knowledge-bliss, > there should be an all-pervading principle having these > characteristics and different from the perishable, inert pain-giving > physical bodies. > > Therefore, Brahman or God, whose nature is Existence-Knowledge-Bliss > (Sat-Chit-Ananda), should exist. The existence of God or the Self is > determined or indicated by the existence of the Upadhis or limiting > adjuncts, viz., body, mind, Prana and the senses, because there must > be self-consciousness behind their activities. > > You always feel that, despite your possessions and all sorts of > comforts, you are in want of something. There is no sense of > fullness. Only if you add to yourself the all-full God, you will > have fullness. When you do an evil action, you are afraid. Your > conscience pricks you. This also proves that God exists and > witnesses all your thoughts and actions. To define Brahman is to > deny Brahman. The only adequate description of Brahman is a series > of negatives. That is the reason why the sage Yajnavalkya declares > in the 'Brihadaranyaka Upanishad' about Brahman as neti, neti, > or 'not this', 'not this.' > > This means that the residue left after sublating the names and forms > is Brahman. Brahman or the Self or the Immanent God cannot be > demonstrated as He is beyond the reach of the senses and mind but > His existence can be inferred by certain empirical facts or common > experiences in daily life. > > Sometimes you are in a peculiar dilemma or pressing pecuniary > difficulty. Help comes to you in a mysterious manner. You get the > money just in time. Most of you might have experienced this. You > exclaim at that moment in joy "God's ways are mysterious indeed; I > have got now full faith in God. Up to this time I had no faith in > God." An advocate had no faith in God. He developed double > pneumonia. > > His breath stopped. His wife, son and relatives began to weep. But > he had a mysterious experience. The messengers of Yama caught hold > of him and brought him to the court of Lord Yama. Lord Yama said to > his messengers: "This is not the man I wanted. You have brought a > wrong person. Send him off." He began to breathe after some time. > He actually experienced that he left the body, went to the court of > Yama and again re-entered his physical body. This astonishing > experience changed his entire nature. He developed an intense faith > in God and became a religious man. > > Another educated person had a similar experience, but there was some > change in this case. He was also an atheist. His soul was brought by > the messengers of Yama to his court. This person asked Yama: "I have > not finished my work in the physical plane. I have to do still more > useful work. Kindly spare my life now." His boon was granted. He was > struck with wonder on this strange experience. His nature also was > entirely changed. He left his job at once. He devoted the remaining > portion of his life in selfless service and meditation. > > Some people die when they are eighty years old; some die when they > are in the womb; some die at twenty; some at forty. What is the > cause for the variation? Who has fixed the span of life for all? > This clearly proves that there is the theory of Karma, that there is > one Omniscient Lord who is the dispenser of the fruits if the > actions of the Jivas (individual souls), who fixes the span of life > of the Jivas in accordance with their nature of Karmas or actions, > who knows the exact relation between Karmas and their fruits. As > Karma is Jada or insentient, it cannot dispense with the fruits of > their actions. > > Whether the owl accepts the presence of light or not, there is > always light. Whether you accept the existence of God or not, He > always exists. He is ever shining in the 'three periods of time.' He > exists before you begin to search for Him. He is closer to you than > your breath and nearer to you than your hands and feet. > > Baba Said.... > > "The perpetual delusion under which the disciple is laboring, that > he is the body, that he is a creature (jiva) or ego, that God and > the world are different from him, is an error inherited from > innumerable past births". > > Jai Sai Ram > Swamy Mahadevan > Bow to Shri Sai-Peace be to all > Baba Bless you ever!!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Sai Ram, The scripture says,"EKOAHAM BAHUSYAMA". The Divine willed -" I alone exist.Let me become many". Creation started thereafter. Reincarnation for Jeeva depends upon his unexhausted Karmas. When a jiva dies his Sukshmasareeram ( subtlebody ) along with the Karanasareeram which contains all his Vasanas leaves his Sthulasariaram and it selects a Groos body suitable for exhausting the unexhausted Vasanas or Sanchita karmas (of the Jiva )which have not reached the stage of Prarabda Karma. God never complains that his creation is miserable. It is the jivas who keep complaining against God for all their sufferings and miseries. How many of us sincerly pray to God when we are obtaining/achieving something which is pleasant or acceptable to us? Pl. think. We are ourselves divine which we are not able to recognise or realize. The fault lies here and nowhere else. Sai Ram Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Sai Ram Brother For clearing your question..just read 'Theories of Karma, Death and Atma', the same article will be posted in SBOI within a couple of days Jai Sai Ram , "SRamanan Rao" <sramanan.rao> wrote: > > Dear Sai Brother, > > Sairam.. a question arises in the mind.. hope you will be able to clarify > this.. > > if Man is always Divine.. When did he start his journey as an Individual, > carrying this corpse? because of his karma? If there is a (Cycle) beginning, > he was faultless as Prajapati was the creator (Total Mind). > Prajapati is born out of the divine will.(Divine Leela) Why divine wills? is > there a will to divine for a creation? Why he has to create and also he > keeps saying his own creation is miserable..and the scriptures declare to > get out of this Karmic cycle.? > > pls reply > > love and sairam > On 5/1/06, Swamy Mahadevan <mahadevanvnswamy> wrote: > > > > God Exists? > > > > The notion of God means an absolutely perfect being. An absolutely > > perfect being must have all the positive attributes, including the > > attributes of existence. So God must exist. The existence of God > > cannot be proved by scientific experimentation. It is purely a > > question of faith and refers to the intuitive side of man. > > > > The deepest craving, the deepest aspiration in man is for eternal > > happiness, eternal knowledge and eternal Truth. Man should search > > for some supernatural entity which can satisfy his deepest craving > > and aspirations. As we explain everything within Nature by the law > > of cause and effect, so also Nature as a whole must be explained. It > > must have some cause. This cause must be different from the effect. > > It must be some supernatural entity, i.e., God. > > > > Nature is not a mere jumble of accidents, but an orderly affair. The > > planets move regularly in their orbits, seeds grow into trees > > regularly, the seasons succeed each other in order. Now Nature > > cannot order itself. It requires the existence of an intelligent > > being, i.e.God, who is responsible for it. Even Einstein, the great > > scientist, was strongly convinced of the creation of the universe by > > a Supreme Intelligence.Everything in Nature has some purpose. It > > fulfills some function or other. Certainly every object by itself > > cannot choose a function for itself. Their different functions ought > > to have been planned or designated by a single intelligent being or > > God. > > > > Even a fool thinks that he is wise. Everyone wants to show that he > > knows more than others. Nobody likes to be called a fool. Children > > tease their parents with various sorts of questions. The desire to > > know is ingrained in them. These indicate that our essential nature > > is knowledge. When a man laughs, people seldom ask why he is > > laughing. On the other hand when a man cries, everybody asks why he > > is crying. This shows that our essential nature is bliss. No one > > wants misery, but everyone want happiness, and all one's activities > > in life are directed towards the acquisition of happiness. This also > > proves that our real nature is bliss. In deep sleep when there are > > no objects, senses or mind, we feel bliss; hence our essential > > nature should be bliss. That again is the reason why people ailing > > from painful maladies even desire to give up their bodies and thus > > get rid of the pain. > > > > If everyone then is of the nature of existence-knowledge-bliss, > > there should be an all-pervading principle having these > > characteristics and different from the perishable, inert pain- giving > > physical bodies. > > > > Therefore, Brahman or God, whose nature is Existence-Knowledge- Bliss > > (Sat-Chit-Ananda), should exist. The existence of God or the Self is > > determined or indicated by the existence of the Upadhis or limiting > > adjuncts, viz., body, mind, Prana and the senses, because there must > > be self-consciousness behind their activities. > > > > You always feel that, despite your possessions and all sorts of > > comforts, you are in want of something. There is no sense of > > fullness. Only if you add to yourself the all-full God, you will > > have fullness. When you do an evil action, you are afraid. Your > > conscience pricks you. This also proves that God exists and > > witnesses all your thoughts and actions. To define Brahman is to > > deny Brahman. The only adequate description of Brahman is a series > > of negatives. That is the reason why the sage Yajnavalkya declares > > in the 'Brihadaranyaka Upanishad' about Brahman as neti, neti, > > or 'not this', 'not this.' > > > > This means that the residue left after sublating the names and forms > > is Brahman. Brahman or the Self or the Immanent God cannot be > > demonstrated as He is beyond the reach of the senses and mind but > > His existence can be inferred by certain empirical facts or common > > experiences in daily life. > > > > Sometimes you are in a peculiar dilemma or pressing pecuniary > > difficulty. Help comes to you in a mysterious manner. You get the > > money just in time. Most of you might have experienced this. You > > exclaim at that moment in joy "God's ways are mysterious indeed; I > > have got now full faith in God. Up to this time I had no faith in > > God." An advocate had no faith in God. He developed double > > pneumonia. > > > > His breath stopped. His wife, son and relatives began to weep. But > > he had a mysterious experience. The messengers of Yama caught hold > > of him and brought him to the court of Lord Yama. Lord Yama said to > > his messengers: "This is not the man I wanted. You have brought a > > wrong person. Send him off." He began to breathe after some time. > > He actually experienced that he left the body, went to the court of > > Yama and again re-entered his physical body. This astonishing > > experience changed his entire nature. He developed an intense faith > > in God and became a religious man. > > > > Another educated person had a similar experience, but there was some > > change in this case. He was also an atheist. His soul was brought by > > the messengers of Yama to his court. This person asked Yama: "I have > > not finished my work in the physical plane. I have to do still more > > useful work. Kindly spare my life now." His boon was granted. He was > > struck with wonder on this strange experience. His nature also was > > entirely changed. He left his job at once. He devoted the remaining > > portion of his life in selfless service and meditation. > > > > Some people die when they are eighty years old; some die when they > > are in the womb; some die at twenty; some at forty. What is the > > cause for the variation? Who has fixed the span of life for all? > > This clearly proves that there is the theory of Karma, that there is > > one Omniscient Lord who is the dispenser of the fruits if the > > actions of the Jivas (individual souls), who fixes the span of life > > of the Jivas in accordance with their nature of Karmas or actions, > > who knows the exact relation between Karmas and their fruits. As > > Karma is Jada or insentient, it cannot dispense with the fruits of > > their actions. > > > > Whether the owl accepts the presence of light or not, there is > > always light. Whether you accept the existence of God or not, He > > always exists. He is ever shining in the 'three periods of time.' He > > exists before you begin to search for Him. He is closer to you than > > your breath and nearer to you than your hands and feet. > > > > Baba Said.... > > > > "The perpetual delusion under which the disciple is laboring, that > > he is the body, that he is a creature (jiva) or ego, that God and > > the world are different from him, is an error inherited from > > innumerable past births". > > > > Jai Sai Ram > > Swamy Mahadevan > > Bow to Shri Sai-Peace be to all > > Baba Bless you ever!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Related Link: > > > > 1. Sai Baba News & pictures: > > " on the web. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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