Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Dear DharmaDev: This is a quote which upsets me very much and makes me feel that I am wasting my time with devotions. It is from Skanda Puraan.a, Vol. 67, page 65, or from chapter 11, "Origin of Raajabhat.t.aaraka". It states, Lord Shiva talking to Devi, "This Bhaarata Vars.a is the seed of everything, O lady of excellent countenance. It is Karmabhuumi. The consequences of incurring merit and sins are not obtained elsewhere." Since I don't live in Bhaarata Vars.a, I wonder whether there be any point in doing devotions. It states also in the same passage: "The division of Yugas exists only here (in Bhaarata Vars.a). So also the classification of the people into four Varn.as." Do you have any thoughts on this? Are we, not in India, wasting our time? Barbara - AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) com Monday, January 30, 2006 8:07 AM Re: RBSC : what shud one do in these mistakes Dear Vikrant JiNamaskar and thank you for your message..............have heard of this also however again there is the difficulty of trying to understand why some yogis wear the Holy Rudraksha and Meditated at the cremation grounds............the question is the same for all to decide.....what is right behaviour and what is not acceptable..........many rules have been added since the Siva Purana was written however it is impossible to ignore what the Siva Purana says regarding the removal of all sins on a daily basis in this manner........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 India Holy Books dont always agree...........its actually up to you whether you wish to continiue your Sadhana.........only comment I have is that if you look around at all the Indian Communities worldwide who continue to build their Temples and perform the ceremonies in all parts of the world then maybe this is a New Age and some of the older reference information needs to be looked at in a different way Rudra Cener America DharmaDev Arya In a message dated 2/1/2006 3:44:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, UnknownSender@UnknownDomain writes: Since I don't live in Bhaarata Vars.a, I wonder whether there be any point in doing devotions. It states also in the same passage: "The division of Yugas exists only here (in Bhaarata Vars.a). So also the classification of the people into four Varn.as." Do you have any thoughts on this? Are we, not in India, wasting our time? Barbara - AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) com Monday, January 30, 2006 8:07 AM Re: RBSC : what shud one do in these mistakes Dear Vikrant Ji Namaskar and thank you for your message..............have heard of this also however again there is the difficulty of trying to understand why some yogis wear the Holy Rudraksha and Meditated at the cremation grounds............the question is the same for all to decide.....what is right behaviour and what is not acceptable..........many rules have been added since the Siva Purana was written however it is impossible to ignore what the Siva Purana says regarding the removal of all sins on a daily basis in this manner........ To send an email to: Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Dear DharmaDev, I have not found that the Puranas do not agree with each other. I looked up the same passage at Skanda Purana, Vol. 67 of Ancient Indian Tradition and Mythology page 65, and I found that Bhaarata was very large at one time, measuring from south to north 9,000 yoganas, and from east to west 80,000 yoganas. Some think that a yogana is about 5 miles, and some, 9 miles. This gives the measurement of Bhaarata as 81,000 miles from south to north, and 720,000 miles from east to west. The diameter of our earth now is less than 8,000 miles, so everything was once much larger. This makes it difficult for me to determine exactly were Bhaarata is. I don't know what happened to the earth--whether we lost some of it. In addition the sun was much larger. It is only 1/17th of its original size. You can read this at Skanda, Vol. 67, page 81. 1/17th of the sun became the discus of Visnu, 1/17th became the trident of Shiva; 1/17th became the palanquin of Kubera; 1/17th became the staff of Yama; 1/17th became the shakti of Devasenapati (Kaarttikaya), 1/17 became the sun as we see it now, and the other parts of the original sun became the various weapons of other devas as wel as yaks.as and vidyaadharas. I do not have all of the Puranas, so I don't know why the earth is so much smaller now, and I don't know whether Bhaarata consists of only India as we know it now, or whether Bhaarata extends beyond that. I don't know where I'm living according to the Puranas, except that we call it Canada. Barbara - MANISH DALAL Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:43 AM Re: RBSC : Bhaarata Vars.a Simple understanding : God is present everywhere but headquartered at India . AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Dear BarbaraIndia Holy Books dont always agree...........its actually up to you whether you wish to continiue your Sadhana.........only comment I have is that if you look around at all the Indian Communities worldwide who continue to build their Temples and perform the ceremonies in all parts of the world then maybe this is a New Age and some of the older reference information needs to be looked at in a different wayRudra Cener AmericaDharmaDev AryaIn a message dated 2/1/2006 3:44:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, UnknownSender@UnknownDomain writes: Since I don't live in Bhaarata Vars.a, I wonder whether there be any point in doing devotions. It states also in the same passage: "The division of Yugas exists only here (in Bhaarata Vars.a). So also the classification of the people into four Varn.as." Do you have any thoughts on this? Are we, not in India, wasting our time? Barbara- AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:07 AMRe: RBSC : what shud one do in these mistakesDear Vikrant JiNamaskar and thank you for your message..............have heard of this also however again there is the difficulty of trying to understand why some yogis wear the Holy Rudraksha and Meditated at the cremation grounds............the question is the same for all to decide.....what is right behaviour and what is not acceptable..........many rules have been added since the Siva Purana was written however it is impossible to ignore what the Siva Purana says regarding the removal of all sins on a daily basis in this manner........ To send an email to: YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "" on the web.To from this group, send an email to:Your use of Groups is subject to the With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release 2/1/06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 If you read my message you will see that I said all...........Holy Books....do not always agree on same topic.......I didnt mention Puranas specificly....and with a bit of study you will find that some of the Puranas do not agree with each other either so it really doesnt matter whether you agree or not............good luck with your studies..........as you continue to study you will also find that all the continenents were all one land mass before the continental shifts took place in ancient history that seperated the continents......of course none of this has anything to do with Rudraksha so will stop here......suggesting we get back to topics this discussion group has been created for Wishing you and Family the Best Rudra Center America DD In a message dated 2/2/2006 10:18:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, barbjs (AT) shaw (DOT) ca writes: Dear DharmaDev, I have not found that the Puranas do not agree with each other. I looked up the same passage at Skanda Purana, Vol. 67 of Ancient Indian Tradition and Mythology page 65, and I found that Bhaarata was very large at one time, measuring from south to north 9,000 yoganas, and from east to west 80,000 yoganas. Some think that a yogana is about 5 miles, and some, 9 miles. This gives the measurement of Bhaarata as 81,000 miles from south to north, and 720,000 miles from east to west. The diameter of our earth now is less than 8,000 miles, so everything was once much larger. This makes it difficult for me to determine exactly were Bhaarata is. I don't know what happened to the earth--whether we lost some of it. In addition the sun was much larger. It is only 1/17th of its original size. You can read this at Skanda, Vol. 67, page 81. 1/17th of the sun became the discus of Visnu, 1/17th became the trident of Shiva; 1/17th became the palanquin of Kubera; 1/17th became the staff of Yama; 1/17th became the shakti of Devasenapati (Kaarttikaya), 1/17 became the sun as we see it now, and the other parts of the original sun became the various weapons of other devas as wel as yaks.as and vidyaadharas. I do not have all of the Puranas, so I don't know why the earth is so much smaller now, and I don't know whether Bhaarata consists of only India as we know it now, or whether Bhaarata extends beyond that. I don't know where I'm living according to the Puranas, except that we call it Canada. Barbara - MANISH DALAL Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:43 AM Re: RBSC : Bhaarata Vars.a Simple understanding : God is present everywhere but headquartered at India . AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Dear Barbara India Holy Books dont always agree...........its actually up to you whether you wish to continiue your Sadhana.........only comment I have is that if you look around at all the Indian Communities worldwide who continue to build their Temples and perform the ceremonies in all parts of the world then maybe this is a New Age and some of the older reference information needs to be looked at in a different way Rudra Cener America DharmaDev Arya In a message dated 2/1/2006 3:44:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, UnknownSender@UnknownDomain writes: Since I don't live in Bhaarata Vars.a, I wonder whether there be any point in doing devotions. It states also in the same passage: "The division of Yugas exists only here (in Bhaarata Vars.a). So also the classification of the people into four Varn.as." Do you have any thoughts on this? Are we, not in India, wasting our time? Barbara - AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) com Monday, January 30, 2006 8:07 AM Re: RBSC : what shud one do in these mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 mistakesDear Vikrant JiNamaskar and thank you for your message..............have heard of this also however again there is the difficulty of trying to understand why some yogis wear the Holy Rudraksha and Meditated at the cremation grounds............the question is the same for all to decide.....what is right behaviour and what is not acceptable..........many rules have been added since the Siva Purana was written however it is impossible to ignore what the Siva Purana says regarding the removal of all sins on a daily basis in this manner........ To send an email to: YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "" on the web.To from this group, send an email to:Your use of Groups is subject to the With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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