Interesting Verse -any ideas???

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Hari Aum..

 

Ilumination of the Sun is illumination of the SUN..be it reflection or

direct..duality

arises from Non-duality but does not mean that Duality is non-real..

 

Even if the reflection of the SUN changes from pot to pot..relection always

remains..

Jiva is like a moving pot..reflection as All THAT IS..

 

When direct illumination is not possible to access, better to access the

reflection and

get contended with it..that is the key..

 

All manifestation be it only reflection is as real as non-manifested..to know

manifestation is to know non-manifested..

 

Aum Namah Shivaya..

 

 

, parvathy parameswari

<parvathyparameswari> wrote:

>

> Dear richard,

> i believe that in duality we the jivatma is this reflection of the

paramatma, so

the reflection of the sun may be experienced in the place of the sun. the sun

the

paramatma and the reflection of the sun which is jivatma. the reflection

jivamatma is

present when the is faith in the presence of paramatma. but for the reflection

itself to

be illumine it is never possible independent of the sun. for the jivatma itself

to be

illumined or enlightened it should totally drop its idea to be jivatma or

distinct from

paramatma. there as long if there is this dualistic idea the jivatma cannot know

itself as

paramatma or drop this distinctions and know itself as atma. so without being

independent of sun or the idea that there is duality or paramatma.the reflection

or jiva

can become easily illumined and know itself as the paramatma.

>

> was this a tangible explanation?

>

> regards

>

> brintha devi

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Have been watching the answers to the question Sri Richard posed and so without

any cerebralizing at all would like to add a comment or two........there are 23

words in the statement sent in the posting.........there is nothing here about

Rudraksha however how about if the answer was limited to the number of words in

the verse........instead of wide rangeing answer that includes everything in

universe : )

What if........just what if.........this verse is simply stateing a law of

physics in its basic terms

In other words

Benefits from the reflection of the sun cannot give the same benefits that the

direct sunlight of the Sun gives to the Mankind

This is a 23 word answer to a 23 word question and the answer written is an

answer to one of the many riddles written in texts that are really not riddles

at all and leave room for tons of interpretation upon interpretation ad

infinitum

To go further with this if you really want the benefits of the Sun.... and dont

stand in a reflection of the sunlight as the essential Vitamin D is produced by

the body when exposed to direct sunlight.........and be sure to wear your

sunscreen

Wishing you all the Best

DD

In a message dated 1/28/2006 9:04:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

parvathyparameswari .sg writes:

sarvam khalvidam brahma

i would like to notify the audience that the verse was:

"A reflection of the Sun may be experienced in place of the Sun, but it's illumination is

never possible independent of the Sun."

---Sri Chaitanya-charitamrita: Madhya-lila, Chap. 25, Verse 117

Taking in sense of juvenile terms or laymen outlook one may claim that

illumination of the sun is illumination of the sun.And when seen in this angle

of vision of course one will not be able to differentiate between the

reflection and the direct, duality and the non duality.so one fails to

understand the subtle esscence of this verse and the ability to sheerly

discriminate and milk the truth from the verse.

But when being viewed in non dualistic philosiphical sense, the sun which is non

duality and its reflection which duality.duality which actually suppose to be

non duality in hidden in the illusionary garb of duality is actually derived

from the supreme non duality and one with it without distinctions .so the

former is the reflection and the latter is the sun.

so when dualistic reflection strives to get illumination and unclothe its

dualistic garb and know the naked truth of self to be the non duality, it must

first of all while being in duality itself abolish the idea of self to be

duality and above me is non duality and that i the duality shall receive direct

illumination from non duality and being adjacent with non duality i am also

another manifested non duality. non duality actually has no manifestation. if

the pitiable duality has this ignorant idea then it is the duality itself is in

duality.because the duality must drop this dualistic idea of getting

illumination from the non duality.if it has this idea, then no illumination

and the duality forever struggling in duality with the dualistic idea and

effort to attain non duality.so the reflection which is duality must attain the

preliminary state of non duality which is killing the idea of getting

illumination from non duality making itself fully independent, next step to

know that thy self itself is non duality and the dualistic variations of jiva

and paramatma, duality and non duality is non existent. therefore self itself

is non duality and upon knowing this the dualistic garb disappears and the once

so called duality or reflection is now illumined without the non duality or sun.

so being independent of the sun the illumination is never possible but by being

independent on its own self the illumination was possible.

so in conclusion the duality is non real and non duality is reality as duality

is superimposing snake on a rope...

And as mentioned below the reflection of the sun changes from pot to pot and it

remains the same...the reflection of the sun can never break the pot and free

from the vicious cycle of changing from pot to pot and therefore forever

remains in the same dualistic platform of not being non dual.in duality there

is this ignorant state of seeing self,reflection or jiva to be distinct from

the sun which is paramatma and therefore forvever transmigarating from body to

body or pot to pot and never get salvated and be free from the this cycle. yes

the reflection is the same , forvever having this ignorance and worse when call

even further confuses and deludes itself to be one with the pot and as mentioned

below when jiva considers itself to be distinct from paramatam itself is

illusion and even more terrible when it further deludes itself to be the

"moving pot" because it now the is the duality of duality.knowing self to be

mistaken as the body. so drop the idea of jiva and body or pot to be self but

the jva as self which the reflection, duality of duality disappears. drop the

idea of getting illumination from the sun, then non duality springs out. all

pots are broken and there is only atma.

just as the space confined within the jars etc. merge completely on the

disintergration of the jars etc., so do the individual sould merge here in this

self.

upon illumining the jiva or reflection it becomes non transmigatory and

therefore the jiva can never be a so called, "moving pot". it is now birthless

jiva! this is the essence of the verse, and one to knows this must first of all

have atma jnana and reside in non duality and then only such jnani's can

reiterate to the dualistic anjnani about this subtle paradoxical truth without

misinterpreting it.

the most contracdicting statement below mentioned is ,"when the illumination is

not possible to be access,better to access to the reflection and get contended

with it, ..,that is the key". this crystal clearly shows severe bewilderment.

if it is being said that the relection is jiva or the "moving pot" as mentioned

below, then this statement says that if one fails to get illumined by the sun

then access to the reflection.this shows that self is totally out of the

statement because it says that self is not the sun and reflection and intends

to get illumination from the reflection.this simple shows that this is trinity

and the mistaken key.

first the jiva mistaken itself to be the ,"moving pot",combination of jiva and

body and distinct from paramatma and more worse when from no where this vague

declarence that self is not the paramatma sun and jivamatma reflection but some

sort of strange creature wanting illumination and be contended with the futile

achievement...

so answering in sheer non dualistic sense:

the discriminating man should merge the(organ of) speech into mind: he should

merge that(mind) into the intelligent self: he should merge the intelligent

self into the great soul: he should merge the great soul into peacefuls elf.now

this is the key.

the manifestation can never be one with the unmanifested.the reflection is also

not the manifested in non dualistic sense.so the idea of manifested dies when

unmanifested is being realized therefore to know the unmanifested the

manifested must be refuted....

ekam itham advaitham

anil <anil_bindal2000 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Hari Aum..

Ilumination of the Sun is illumination of the SUN..be it reflection or direct..duality

arises from Non-duality but does not mean that Duality is non-real..

Even if the reflection of the SUN changes from pot to pot..relection always remains..

Jiva is like a moving pot..reflection as All THAT IS..

When direct illumination is not possible to