Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Namaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the body needs to rebuild Am fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8 Juice Drink you might find in the supermarket In this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for support I really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other items hope this helps a little DD In a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Pranams, For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet but continue having some trouble with it. First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlic etc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime. I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tired physically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once in Kentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shot back "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken salad without the chicken...". Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think they all ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless he follows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physically strong as well. I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a practical sattvic diet for a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me? Regards, -Vinayak ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home page Click Here! --~-> To send an email to: <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Namaste all, For what it is worth I would like to say that I personally can't see any reason to add meat/flesh (including fish) in this day and age, and largely feel it is a detriment to the sadhaka, especially those early on in their understanding, to do so. In the western world (I couldn't comment outside of this) the average householder has plenty of opportunity and availability to lead a vegetarian and sattvic diet. For 14 years I have been following a sattvic vegetarian (and egg free) and for several years I followed a vegan diet. I used to work 12 hour shifts (of manual labour), then later when I returned to university as a mature student I was also working two jobs while studying. Diet has never been a problem with regards to energy needs. I also know a very large vegetarian weight-lifter who have never once mentioned to me not getting enough energy from a vegetarian and sattvic diet. I personally can see no need for adding animal products (outside of diary) to one's diet. Probably never before has a vegetarian diet, and for that matter a compassionate diet, been so easily to hand. There are many ideas about the benefits of non-vegetarian diets which are incorrect and the serious health risks of a non-vegetarian diet are always increasing as standards and ethics in the meat industries continue to decline (at least here in the UK). A well-rounded vegetarian diet can offer far much more in terms of prana, vitamins, minerals, protein and healthy carbohydrate. Om Shanti Neil [] On Behalf Of AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) comSent: 06 December 2005 19:02To: Subject: Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic dietDear Vinayak JiNamaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the body needs to rebuildAm fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8 Juice Drink you might find in the supermarketIn this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for supportI really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other itemshope this helps a littleDDIn a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Pranams,For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet butcontinue having some trouble with it. First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlicetc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime.I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tiredphysically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once inKentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shotback "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken saladwithout the chicken...".Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think theyall ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless hefollows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physicallystrong as well. I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a practical sattvic dietfor a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me?Regards,-Vinayak------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home pageClick Here!--~-> To send an email to: Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: /<*> To from this group, send an email to: <*> Your use of Groups is subject to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Namaskar and thank you for starting the discussion on Satvic Diet...........in the first message you asked about the Sattvic Diet and now I noticed that you are useing the word Vegan and as one of our members has mentioned these are really two different diets your most recent direct question was.........can there be a sattvic diet posted here.............meaning can someone post the names of the Sattvic Foods To answer your question there needs to be sattvic foods listed.............. since there is a mountain of research on the names of these foods it would be easiest to refer you to the Books of Dr David Frawley that can be found on Amazon.com.............He gives many different food and herg suggestions that are of the different types so you can make your own diet day by day specific to your needs........... he also discusses preparation and how the herbs are to be used to keep the body strong..........He has some really good books and many of the herbs he mentions can be found at Bazaar of India in Berkely California and also on their website hope this helps Wishing you and Family the Best DD hope this helps DD In a message dated 12/7/2005 9:35:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Namaste, Thanks for your interest in this posting. In my short experience as a vegan living in the west, I seem to concur with the feelings of DD. It is good to know that you succeeded, can you please post a suggested diet? (Hopefully it wont be too high in cheese). I have also seen a lot of westeners complain about the many problems of vegan diets: Just try: Google search on problems with vegan diet Thanks and Regards, -Vinayak , "Neil " <Trikashaivism@o...> wrote: > >Namaste all, > >For what it is worth I would like to say that I personally can't see any >reason to add meat/flesh (including fish) in this day and age, and >largely feel it is a detriment to the sadhaka, especially those early on >in their understanding, to do so. In the western world (I couldn't >comment outside of this) the average householder has plenty of >opportunity and availability to lead a vegetarian and sattvic diet. For >14 years I have been following a sattvic vegetarian (and egg free) and >for several years I followed a vegan diet. I used to work 12 hour shifts >(of manual labour), then later when I returned to university as a mature >student I was also working two jobs while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Dear Vinayak, Vegan diet is not satvic diet, in vegan diet you should not eat animal products, including milk and milk products like cheese, ghee etc, but you have no restriction on spices. in satvic diet you can eat milk produts ( please correct me if I am wrong) but have restriction on spices. If you are in US, adopt vegan diet, you will get vegan food easily, for nutrition eat more tofu, fruits, vegetables and pulses, try to eat whole foods like whole wheat, whole wheat bread and brown rice any indian food without ghee and milk is vegan so there is no problem, if you want you can reduce/eliminate the spices. Best Regards, Divakar. --- Vinayak Raghuvamshi <vraghuvamshi wrote: > > Namaste, > > Thanks for your interest in this posting. > > In my short experience as a vegan living in the > west, I seem to concur with the feelings of DD. > > It is good to know that you succeeded, can you > please post a suggested diet? (Hopefully it wont be > too high in cheese). > > I have also seen a lot of westeners complain about > the many problems of vegan diets: Just try: > > Google search on problems with vegan diet > > > Thanks and Regards, > -Vinayak > , > "Neil " <Trikashaivism@o...> wrote: > > > > Namaste all, > > > > For what it is worth I would like to say that I > personally can't see any > > reason to add meat/flesh (including fish) in this > day and age, and > > largely feel it is a detriment to the sadhaka, > especially those early on > > in their understanding, to do so. In the western > world (I couldn't > > comment outside of this) the average householder > has plenty of > > opportunity and availability to lead a vegetarian > and sattvic diet. For > > 14 years I have been following a sattvic > vegetarian (and egg free) and > > for several years I followed a vegan diet. I used > to work 12 hour shifts > > (of manual labour), then later when I returned to > university as a mature > > student I was also working two jobs while > studying. Diet has never been > > a problem with regards to energy needs. I also > know a very large > > vegetarian weight-lifter who have never once > mentioned to me not getting > > enough energy from a vegetarian and sattvic diet. > I personally can see > > no need for adding animal products (outside of > diary) to one's diet. > > Probably never before has a vegetarian diet, and > for that matter a > > compassionate diet, been so easily to hand. There > are many ideas about > > the benefits of non-vegetarian diets which are > incorrect and the serious > > health risks of a non-vegetarian diet are always > increasing as standards > > and ethics in the meat industries continue to > decline (at least here in > > the UK). A well-rounded vegetarian diet can offer > far much more in terms > > of prana, vitamins, minerals, protein and healthy > carbohydrate. > > > > Om Shanti > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] > On Behalf Of > > AumShiningLotus@a... > > 06 December 2005 19:02 > > > > Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic diet > > > > > > Dear Vinayak Ji > > > > Namaskar and thank you for your > message............from only one persons > > opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is > most difficult for > > anyone in this age to adhere to......we have > different duties as a > > householder now than when the Yogas were > written......for example a man > > who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries > blocks and bricks for > > masonry work would last only a short time > physically as the human body > > on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and > rebuild the musculature > > for the next days work without the proper > nutrients needed in large > > quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am > familiar with are great > > for person who sits in meditation however even > today a person on a > > Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and > Mineral Supplements as the > > ground the food is grown in is depleted of the > essential nutrients the > > body needs to rebuild > > > > Am fairly certain this is an age where a > householder needs to follow a > > middle path in everything they do....meaing a > person can add eggs that > > have not been fertilized by a rooster to their > diet..........and adding > > fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added > Vitamin and Mineral and > > Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by > getting a juiceing machine > > and juiceing many vegetables in combination much > like the popular V 8 > > Juice Drink you might find in the supermarket > > > > In this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust > the labels of what is > > considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic > for a working man who > > is also a householder with Family that depend upon > him for support > > > > I really dont know of any householder who has been > able to completely > > follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily > work a day > > world.........there has most always been vitamin > and mineral > > supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and > other items > > > > hope this helps a little > > > > DD > > > > In a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > > vraghuvamshi writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranams, > > > > For past few years, I have been experimenting with > sattvic diet but > > continue having some trouble with it. > > > > First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no > meat, no garlic > > etc. I live in the US and this just meant no > eating out anytime. > > I did feel nice initially but later on, I started > getting tired > > physically and travelling started becoming > impossible. I was once in > > Kentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad > and the waiter shot > > back "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you > a chicken salad > > without the chicken...". > > > > Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs > etc. and I think they > > all ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. > > > > The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve > bhakti unless he > > follows a sattvic diet. It also states that one > has to be physically > > strong as well. > > > > I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a > practical sattvic diet > > for a working, family man. Do you have any advice > for me? > > > > Regards, > > -Vinayak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to: > > > > === message truncated === ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 my two pence worth.......... Although I whole heartedly agree with Sri DDji that one does not need to follow a very strict regime of diet if one is not able to devote 100% of their time in religious matters. However if one is prepared to follow the obviously difficult path of a certain set of dietary conditions, then one ought to accept the fact that it is not going to be easy going all of the time. This would be true no matter where one is living. I am not as strict a vegetarian as described below, but having travelled extensively across Europe (both Eastern & Western) and the US, I can tell many stories of carrying dried ready meals and even preparing certain dried foods to carry with me when I knew that my dietary requirements would not be met in certain areas due to the local cultures. Some things in life take a little patience and hard work, including in dietary matters, giving up going to certain types of restaurants and having to make a special trip to the super-market or whatever other fresh food outlet is nearby and purchase the fresh food necessary. Although I do not advise people to follow any certain form of diet, I would not class following certain stricter dietary regime to be any harder than maybe someone with certain special needs (say catering for a certain type of allergy for example). There is always alternatives available to dietary needs no matter where one happens to be, one just have to have the conviction of ensuring that they have planned ahead of time. Now as far as the diet and my understanding of it is concerned, what matters is whether one can completely burn off 90%-95% of the consumed food during the day's cycle. A food is of Tamasic properties if it is going to build up excess of anything in one's body e.g. if one takes alcohol, alcohol has a higher concentration of calories than say skimmed milk that our body would readily absorb. Therefore so long as one can do enough exercise to burn off the calories from alcohol, it ought not to have Tamasic effects on one's persona. This can be seen clearly in the condition of athletes. Obviously everything needs to be in some sort of modesty....... Therefore it matters less as to what we eat but more as to whether we have completely burnt off the food that we consumed or are we piling up food in our body that would eventually lead to our body feeling lethargic and hence the Tamasic properties manifesting in us. Hope this helps.... Anand [] On Behalf Of AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) comSent: 06 December 2005 19:02To: Subject: Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic dietDear Vinayak JiNamaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the body needs to rebuildAm fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8 Juice Drink you might find in the supermarketIn this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for supportI really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other itemshope this helps a littleDDIn a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Pranams,For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet butcontinue having some trouble with it. First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlicetc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime.I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tiredphysically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once inKentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shotback "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken saladwithout the chicken...".Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think theyall ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless hefollows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physicallystrong as well. I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a practical sattvic dietfor a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me?Regards,-Vinayak------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home pageClick Here!--~-> To send an email to: Yahoo! 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Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 lacto-vegetarien diet at least. Actually when we examine this we find that shastra goes further. Lord Krishna declares in the Bhagavad Gita: "Whomever eats anything that is not first offered to me. Eats sin upon sin." Actual satvic does not only mean to have a lacto-vegetarian meal but to firts prepare this meal for the pleasure of the lord, than offer this to Him and eat His perdsad, what ever He leaves fore us. The socalled intelligent people will immediately declare this a childisch sentimental superstition. But we see that in alll vedic offers somekind of foodstuff is offere to even the demigods to please them. Do they need our food? Actually persad means what ever the Lord leaves after accepting the offering. Even though when properly offered and excepted by the Lord the offering may seem untouched but shastra explaines that the Supreme Lord's sences can do every sence function. That means he can see with his ears, taste with his nose etc. When sincerely offerring by reciting the proper mantras the Lord can accept by hearing about the offering, by looking at the offering, by smelling the offering or by touching the offering. By all these means he can tast the offering and after that it is considered persad. We should find out what foodstuff is satvik and accept that and what is rajasic or tamasic we should avoid. In normal society this is not hard to follow at all as we have more than ample choice. The idea that we need animal food for strenght is totally unfounded. We say as tron as a horse but a horse is a vegetarian. An elefant the strongest mamel on land is also a vegetarian so we can easily see that these kinds of considerations are not corroberated by facts. I previous pieces to this group I've already explained what is the actuall meaning of you are waht you eat. So this point should again be taken into account here. There are not only religous but also hilosophical, ethic, envirenomental, economical and healt arguments, all scientifically and which when thourougly studied point to a lacto vegetarian diet. Concluding I want to make one more point. The Veda is verry pragmatic and leaves ample room for time and cicumstance. When one is faced with famin to survive we could even eat dog meat. But only and if and when there is nothing else to eat. None of us finds themselves in this situation otherwise we would not be on the internet now. Life is ment for enhancing our consiousness. The first part is to practice selfcontrole including the tung not taking shortcuts on the most convient path. Hope to have been of some help. Bets Regards, Bhaktradj PS: Please forgive spelling mistakes.Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: Dear Vinayak,Vegan diet is not satvic diet, in vegan diet youshould not eat animal products, including milk andmilk products like cheese, ghee etc, but you have norestriction on spices. in satvic diet you can eat milkproduts ( please correct me if I am wrong) but haverestriction on spices.If you are in US, adopt vegan diet, you will get veganfood easily, for nutrition eat more tofu, fruits,vegetables and pulses, try to eat whole foods likewhole wheat, whole wheat bread and brown rice anyindian food without ghee and milk is vegan so there isno problem, if you want you can reduce/eliminate thespices.Best Regards,Divakar.--- Vinayak Raghuvamshi <vraghuvamshi >wrote:> > Namaste,> > Thanks for your interest in this posting.> > In my short experience as a vegan living in the> west, I seem to concur with the feelings of DD.> > It is good to know that you succeeded, can you> please post a suggested diet? (Hopefully it wont be> too high in cheese).> > I have also seen a lot of westeners complain about> the many problems of vegan diets: Just try: > > Google search on problems with vegan diet > > > Thanks and Regards,> -Vinayak> ,> "Neil " <Trikashaivism@o...> wrote:> >> > Namaste all,> > > > For what it is worth I would like to say that I> personally can't see any> > reason to add meat/flesh (including fish) in this> day and age, and> > largely feel it is a detriment to the sadhaka,> especially those early on> > in their understanding, to do so. In the western> world (I couldn't> > comment outside of this) the average householder> has plenty of> > opportunity and availability to lead a vegetarian> and sattvic diet. For> > 14 years I have been following a sattvic> vegetarian (and egg free) and> > for several years I followed a vegan diet. I used> to work 12 hour shifts> > (of manual labour), then later when I returned to> university as a mature> > student I was also working two jobs while> studying. Diet has never been> > a problem with regards to energy needs. I also> know a very large> > vegetarian weight-lifter who have never once> mentioned to me not getting> > enough energy from a vegetarian and sattvic diet.> I personally can see> > no need for adding animal products (outside of> diary) to one's diet.> > Probably never before has a vegetarian diet, and> for that matter a> > compassionate diet, been so easily to hand. There> are many ideas about> > the benefits of non-vegetarian diets which are> incorrect and the serious> > health risks of a non-vegetarian diet are always> increasing as standards> > and ethics in the meat industries continue to> decline (at least here in> > the UK). A well-rounded vegetarian diet can offer> far much more in terms> > of prana, vitamins, minerals, protein and healthy> carbohydrate.> > > > Om Shanti> > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > >> []> On Behalf Of> > AumShiningLotus@a...> > 06 December 2005 19:02> > To: > > Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic diet> > > > > > Dear Vinayak Ji> > > > Namaskar and thank you for your> message............from only one persons> > opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is> most difficult for> > anyone in this age to adhere to......we have> different duties as a> > householder now than when the Yogas were> written......for example a man> > who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries> blocks and bricks for> > masonry work would last only a short time> physically as the human body> > on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and> rebuild the musculature> > for the next days work without the proper> nutrients needed in large> > quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am> familiar with are great> > for person who sits in meditation however even> today a person on a> > Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and> Mineral Supplements as the> > ground the food is grown in is depleted of the> essential nutrients the> > body needs to rebuild> > > > Am fairly certain this is an age where a> householder needs to follow a> > middle path in everything they do....meaing a> person can add eggs that> > have not been fertilized by a rooster to their> diet..........and adding> > fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added> Vitamin and Mineral and> > Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by> getting a juiceing machine> > and juiceing many vegetables in combination much> like the popular V 8> > Juice Drink you might find in the supermarket> > > > In this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust> the labels of what is> > considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic> for a working man who> > is also a householder with Family that depend upon> him for support> > > > I really dont know of any householder who has been> able to completely> > follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily> work a day> > world.........there has most always been vitamin> and mineral> > supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and> other items> > > > hope this helps a little> > > > DD> > > > In a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific> Standard Time,> > vraghuvamshi writes:> > > > > > > > > > > > Pranams,> > > > For past few years, I have been experimenting with> sattvic diet but> > continue having some trouble with it. > > > > First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no> meat, no garlic> > etc. I live in the US and this just meant no> eating out anytime.> > I did feel nice initially but later on, I started> getting tired> > physically and travelling started becoming> impossible. I was once in> > Kentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad> and the waiter shot> > back "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you> a chicken salad> > without the chicken...".> > > > Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs> etc. and I think they> > all ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. > > > > The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve> bhakti unless he> > follows a sattvic diet. It also states that one> has to be physically> > strong as well. > > > > I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a> practical sattvic diet> > for a working, family man. Do you have any advice> for me?> > > > Regards,> > -Vinayak> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to:> >>> === message truncated === ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Dear DDji, Thanks for your references, I will check it out. Sorry for the confusion I created. I was replying to the comments by Shri Neil where he mentioned that he followed a vegan diet - I somehow thought that vegan diet is same as sattvic until another friend posted a correction and pointed out the differences. Thanks all. -Vinayak , AumShiningLotus@a... wrote: > > Dear Vinayak Ji > > Namaskar and thank you for starting the discussion on Satvic > Diet...........in the first message you asked about the Sattvic Diet and now I noticed that > you are useing the word Vegan and as one of our members has mentioned these are > really two different diets > > your most recent direct question was.........can there be a sattvic diet > posted here.............meaning can someone post the names of the Sattvic Foods > > To answer your question there needs to be sattvic foods listed.............. > since there is a mountain of research on the names of these foods it would be > easiest to refer you to the Books of Dr David Frawley that can be found on > Amazon.com.............He gives many different food and herg suggestions that are > of the different types so you can make your own diet day by day specific to > your needs........... he also discusses preparation and how the herbs are to be > used to keep the body strong..........He has some really good books and many > of the herbs he mentions can be found at Bazaar of India in Berkely California > and also on their website > > hope this helps > > Wishing you and Family the Best > > DD > > > hope this helps > > DD > In a message dated 12/7/2005 9:35:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, > vraghuvamshi writes: > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Thanks for your interest in this posting. > > > > In my short experience as a vegan living in the west, I seem to concur with > > the feelings of DD. > > > > It is good to know that you succeeded, can you please post a suggested > > diet? (Hopefully it wont be too high in cheese). > > > > I have also seen a lot of westeners complain about the many problems of > > vegan diets: Just try: > > > > Google search on problems with vegan diet > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > -Vinayak > > , "Neil " < > > Trikashaivism@o...> wrote: > > > > > >Namaste all, > > > > > >For what it is worth I would like to say that I personally can't see any > > >reason to add meat/flesh (including fish) in this day and age, and > > >largely feel it is a detriment to the sadhaka, especially those early on > > >in their understanding, to do so. In the western world (I couldn't > > >comment outside of this) the average householder has plenty of > > >opportunity and availability to lead a vegetarian and sattvic diet. For > > >14 years I have been following a sattvic vegetarian (and egg free) and > > >for several years I followed a vegan diet. I used to work 12 hour shifts > > >(of manual labour), then later when I returned to university as a mature > > >student I was also working two jobs while > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 , "Neil " <Trikashaivism@o...> wrote:>> Namaste all,> > For what it is worth I would like to say that I personally can't see any> reason to add meat/flesh (including fish) in this day and age, and> largely feel it is a detriment to the sadhaka, especially those early on> in their understanding, to do so. In the western world (I couldn't> comment outside of this) the average householder has plenty of> opportunity and availability to lead a vegetarian and sattvic diet. For> 14 years I have been following a sattvic vegetarian (and egg free) and> for several years I followed a vegan diet. I used to work 12 hour shifts> (of manual labour), then later when I returned to university as a mature> student I was also working two jobs while studying. Diet has never been> a problem with regards to energy needs. I also know a very large> vegetarian weight-lifter who have never once mentioned to me not getting> enough energy from a vegetarian and sattvic diet. I personally can see> no need for adding animal products (outside of diary) to one's diet.> Probably never before has a vegetarian diet, and for that matter a> compassionate diet, been so easily to hand. There are many ideas about> the benefits of non-veg! etarian diets which are incorrect and the serious> health risks of a non-vegetarian diet are always increasing as standards> and ethics in the meat industries continue to decline (at least here in> the UK). A well-rounded vegetarian diet can offer far much more in terms> of prana, vitamins, minerals, protein and healthy carbohydrate.> > Om Shanti> Neil > > > > > > [] On Behalf Of> AumShiningLotus@a...> 06 December 2005 19:02> To: > Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic diet> > > Dear Vinayak Ji> > Namaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons> opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for> anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a> householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man> who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for> masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body> on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature> for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large> quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great> for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a> Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the> ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the> body needs to rebuild> > Am fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a> middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that> have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding&g! t; fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and> Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine> and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8> Juice Drink you might find in the supermarket> > In this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is> considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who> is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for support> > I really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely> follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day> world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral> supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other items> > hope this helps a little> > DD> > In a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,> vraghuvamshi writes:> > > > > > Pranams,> > For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet but> continue having some trouble with it. > > First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlic> etc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime.> I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tired> physically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once in> Kentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shot> back "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken salad> without the chicken...".> > Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think they> all ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. > > The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless he> follows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physically> strong as well. > > I dont think I h! ave succ eeded in my quest for a practical sattvic diet> for a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me?> > Regards,> -Vinayak> > > > > > > > > To send an email to:> > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to:> > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group "> <> " on the web.> > > * > > <?subject=U> n> > > > * Terms of> Service <> . > > > _____> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Namaskar and thank you for your posting on alcohol.....................fairly certain it needs to be understood that some cannot tolerate alcohol at all and that it makes them sick And that at times it is good for the body in moderate amounts as proven by medical science........Annand Ji was speaking to the moderation of alchohol in his sixth paragraph and not the excessive use that leads to habituation and dependency on the toxic liquor that leads to what you were describeing so both remarks are good however in trying to keep the field level regarding use of alcohol a small glass of red wine is better for the heart each day than a meal made with ghee that blocks the arteries with cholesterol........in the sixth sentence of his message Annand Ji is speaking to the caloric content of alcohol and the manner in which the body burns it off..........He really didnt suggest you can use alcohol with impunity as he ends his sixth sentence by saying everything in some sort of modesty Spiritually speaking or generally speaking when there are comments that alcohol affects everyone in the same manner really isnt reasonable as there are Yogis in Nepal that use all the stimulants includeing Marijuana to reach their state of Samadhi...........and many medicines are made with alcohol to cure the sick.........what to accept and what to reject is an individual matter I know this might sound like compareing apples to oranges however this kind of discussion is kind of like speaking to a Respected Jain whose religious beliefs do not allow them to kill any liveing thing........................ however every time we all breath in air there is liveing germ and virus bacteria in the air that gets into our blood stream via our lungs.............. and our bodies auto immune system kill the germ bacteria and viruses immediately.......the germs and viruses are liveing organisms attempting to increase their numbers and still they are killed despite the religious beliefs of Jainism When there is no other pain killer around the use of alcohol actually helps calm the body down from a flight or fight condition to one of more reasonable moderation of mood....example would be if someone cut their arm deeply in a farming accident and it was hours before they could be transported to hospital.........pressure on the wound and good shot of rum always helps to ease the pain If any substance can help the human condition it seems that alcohol is here to be used in moderation as is everything else on this planet in this age Wishing you and Family the Best DD In a message dated 12/8/2005 8:18:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, arjunaacharya writes: Namaste Anand, I strongly disagree with your description of alcohol. It is a toxic, addictive substance, that acts as a ong term depressant, and immediately affects judgment, cognition, and physical coordination. It has severe negative effects on a person;s ability to naje giid hydgnents and inhibits meditation. To suggest that one can use such a substance with impunity I believe is incorrect. Arjuna Anand <anand_nortel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: my two pence worth.......... Although I whole heartedly agree with Sri DDji that one does not need to follow a very strict regime of diet if one is not able to devote 100% of their time in religious matters. However if one is prepared to follow the obviously difficult path of a certain set of dietary conditions, then one ought to accept the fact that it is not going to be easy going all of the time. This would be true no matter where one is living. I am not as strict a vegetarian as described below, but having travelled extensively across Europe (both Eastern &Western) and the US, I can tell many stories of carrying dried ready meals and even preparing certain dried foods to carry with me when I knew that my dietary requirements would not be met in certain areas due to the local cultures. Some things in life take a little patience and hard work, including in dietary matters, giving up going to certain types of restaurants and having to make a special trip to the super-market or whatever other fresh food outlet is nearby and purchase the fresh food necessary. Although I do not advise people to follow any certain form of diet, I would not class following certain stricter dietary regime to be any harder than maybe someone with certain special needs (say catering for a certain type of allergy for example). There is always alternatives available to dietary needs no matter where one happens to be, one just have to have the conviction of ensuring that they have planned ahead of time. Now as far as the diet and my understanding of it is concerned, what matters is whether one can completely burn off 90%-95% of the consumed food during the day's cycle. A food is of Tamasic properties if it is going to build up excess of anything in one's body e.g. if one takes alcohol, alcohol has a higher concentration of calories than say skimmed milk that our body would readily absorb. Therefore so long as one can do enough exercise to burn off the calories from alcohol, it ought not to have Tamasic effects on one's persona. This can be seen clearly in the condition of athletes. Obviously everything needs to be in some sort of modesty....... Therefore it matters less as to what we eat but more as to whether we have completely burnt off the food that we consumed or are we piling up food in our body that would eventually lead to our body feeling lethargic and hence the Tamasic properties manifesting in us. Hope this helps.... Anand [] On Behalf Of AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) com 06 December 2005 19:02 Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic diet Dear Vinayak Ji Namaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the body needs to rebuild Am fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8 Juice Drink you might find in the supermarket In this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for support I really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other items hope this helps a little DD In a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Pranams, For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet but continue having some trouble with it. First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlic etc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime. I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tired physically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once in Kentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shot back "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken salad without the chicken...". Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think they all ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless he follows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physically strong as well. I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a practical sattvic diet for a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me? Regards, -Vinayak ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . 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Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 A lot of diet depends on what your cultural background and what your body needs by genetics...........each nationality has a genetic diet that their forefathers have eaten for centuries to maintain health........the diet you mention is good with vitamin and mineral supplements and Soy Bean foods however if you research where your ancestors came from you will find a diet that your body is naturally looking for What we have been discussing here is a traditional Satvic or Vegan Diet that is something traditional in some parts of India with only some part of the culture there............not all parts of India are non veg as there are many people from many countries that have migrated to India in the last 5000 years and stayed...........many times India has been conquered by others from Alexander the Great to the Moguls and many have stayed and added their diets to the countries history There are many Muslims and also Hindus in India for example............there is religious rule that Muslums do not eat pork so the modern way around this has been that some Hindus will raise pigs for the Muslims to eat and then there are some Muslims who will raise steers for the non veg Hindus to eat because there is a religious rule not to eat beef......you can read any of this in the Indo American Newspapers that are India West India Post India Tribune or News India Baseline is you were put here to be the best you can be and your diet for your physical body is geneticly programmed........if your physical body doesnt get what it needs to then it will not achieve its potential.....so sometimes it takes a little research to find what diet is good for the physical body Then there is the Satvic Diet from Cultural India that is good for the Spiritual Life Wishing you and Family the Best DD In a message dated 12/8/2005 9:44:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, stargate40 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: namaste: i would like to know if the mango,coconut,cow milk,aloe vera,basmati rice,fish is good for a diet? Vinayak Raghuvamshi <vraghuvamshi > wrote: Namaste, Thanks for your interest in this posting. In my short experience as a vegan living in the west, I seem to concur with the feelings of DD. It is good to know that you succeeded, can you please post a suggested diet? (Hopefully it wont be too high in cheese). I have also seen a lot of westeners complain about the many problems of vegan diets: Just try: Google search on problems with vegan diet Thanks and Regards, -Vinayak , "Neil " <Trikashaivism@o...> wrote: > >Namaste all, > >For what it is worth I would like to say that I personally can't see any >reason to add meat/flesh (including fish) in this day and age, and >largely feel it is a detriment to the sadhaka, especially those early on >in their understanding, to do so. In the western world (I couldn't >comment outside of this) the average householder has plenty of >opportunity and availability to lead a vegetarian and sattvic diet. For >14 years I have been following a sattvic vegetarian (and egg free) and >for several years I followed a vegan diet. I used to work 12 hour shifts >(of manual labour), then later when I returned to university as a mature >student I was also working two jobs while studying. Diet has never been >a problem with regards to energy needs. I also know a very large >vegetarian weight-lifter who have never once mentioned to me not getting >enough energy from a vegetarian and sattvic diet. I personally can see >no need for adding animal products (outside of diary) to one's diet. >Probably never before has a vegetarian diet, and for that matter a >compassionate diet, been so easily to hand. There are many ideas about >the benefits of non-veg! etarian diets which are incorrect and the serious >health risks of a non-vegetarian diet are always increasing as standards >and ethics in the meat industries continue to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 No problem.......we all know that when trying to convey thoughts through words on a computer sometimes there is a certain amount of transferance of meaning that always gets lost or a little mixed up Wishing you and Family the Best DD In a message dated 12/8/2005 9:38:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Dear DDji, Thanks for your references, I will check it out. Sorry for the confusion I created. I was replying to the comments by Shri Neil where he mentioned that he followed a vegan diet - I somehow thought that vegan diet is same as sattvic until another friend posted a correction and pointed out the differences. Thanks all. -Vinayak , AumShiningLotus@a... wrote: > >Dear Vinayak Ji > >Namaskar and thank you for starting the discussion on Satvic >Diet...........in the first message you asked about the Sattvic Diet and now I noticed that >you are useing the word Vegan and as one of our members has mentioned these are >really two different diets > >your most recent direct question was.........can there be a sattvic diet >posted here.............meaning can someone post the names of the Sattvic Foods > >To answer your question there needs to be sattvic foods listed.............. >since there is a mountain of research on the names of these foods it would be >easiest to refer you to the Books of Dr David Frawley that can be found on >Amazon.com.............He gives many different food and herg suggestions that are >of the different types so you can make your own diet day by day specific to >your needs........... he also discusses preparation and how the herbs are to be >used to keep the body strong..........He has some really good books and many >of the herbs he mentions can be found at Bazaar of India in Berkely California >and also on their website > >hope this helps > >Wishing you and Family the Best > >DD > > >hope this helps > >DD >In a message dated 12/7/2005 9:35:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, >vraghuvamshi writes: > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 of Tamasic properties if it is going to build up excess of anything in one's body e.g. if one takes alcohol, alcohol has a higher concentration of calories than say skimmed milk that our body would readily absorb. Therefore so long as one can do enough exercise to burn off the calories from alcohol, it ought not to have Tamasic effects on one's persona. This can be seen clearly in the condition of athletes. Obviously everything needs to be in some sort of modesty....... Therefore it matters less as to what we eat but more as to whether we have completely burnt off the food that we consumed or are we piling up food in our body that would eventually lead to our body feeling lethargic and hence the Tamasic properties manifesting in us. Hope this helps.... Anand [] On Behalf Of AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) comSent: 06 December 2005 19:02To: Subject: Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic dietDear Vinayak JiNamaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the body needs to rebuildAm fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8 Juice Drink you might find in the supermarketIn this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for supportI really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other itemshope this helps a littleDDIn a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Pranams,For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet butcontinue having some trouble with it. First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlicetc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime.I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tiredphysically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once inKentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shotback "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken saladwithout the chicken...".Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think theyall ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless hefollows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physicallystrong as well. I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a practical sattvic dietfor a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me?Regards,-Vinayak------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home pageClick Here!--~-> To send an email to: Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: /<*> To from this group, send an email to: <*> Your use of Groups is subject to: Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 ArjunaJi I apologise if I caused some stronger emotional response from yourself. I did not mean to suggest that it is OK to drink alcohol at all. I was merely making a point about the effects of what we consume and how we can avoid Tamasic or ill effects from those ingredients. Moreover the point being made was that even though some balanced diets that are readily accepted in all cultures can also lead to the Tamasic properties manifesting in one's physical appearance if those are not consumed according to the needs of the body. As Sh DDji suggested in his response, sometimes even the things regarded as 'poisonous' in the normal circumstances can have healing or supportive effects if used under strict controls and guidance of the experts in that field. But the big message is 'under strict controls' and not consumed as a short term happiness or trying to avoid certain situations. On a lighter note however seeing that we are approaching Christmas, a glass of wine every now and then and/or maybe a beer is not really going to cause anyone any serious harm is it? 'gulp' (he says trying to sit up straight) Only joking please do not take the last comment seriously. Hope this explains my situation. Kind regards Anand [] On Behalf Of Arjuna08 December 2005 16:17Subject: RE: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic diet Namaste Anand,I strongly disagree with your description of alcohol. It is a toxic, addictive substance, that acts as a ong term depressant, and immediately affects judgment, cognition, and physical coordination. It has severe negative effects on a person;s ability to naje giid hydgnents and inhibits meditation. To suggest that one can use such a substance with impunity I believe is incorrect.ArjunaAnand <anand_nortel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: my two pence worth.......... Although I whole heartedly agree with Sri DDji that one does not need to follow a very strict regime of diet if one is not able to devote 100% of their time in religious matters. However if one is prepared to follow the obviously difficult path of a certain set of dietary conditions, then one ought to accept the fact that it is not going to be easy going all of the time. This would be true no matter where one is living. I am not as strict a vegetarian as described below, but having travelled extensively across Europe (both Eastern & Western) and the US, I can tell many stories of carrying dried ready meals and even preparing certain dried foods to carry with me when I knew that my dietary requirements would not be met in certain areas due to the local cultures. Some things in life take a little patience and hard work, including in dietary matters, giving up going to certain types of restaurants and having to make a special trip to the super-market or whatever other fresh food outlet is nearby and purchase the fresh food necessary. Although I do not advise people to follow any certain form of diet, I would not class following certain stricter dietary regime to be any harder than maybe someone with certain special needs (say catering for a certain type of allergy for example). There is always alternatives available to dietary needs no matter where one happens to be, one just have to have the conviction of ensuring that they have planned ahead of time. Now as far as the diet and my understanding of it is concerned, what matters is whether one can completely burn off 90%-95% of the consumed food during the day's cycle. A food is of Tamasic properties if it is going to build up excess of anything in one's body e.g. if one takes alcohol, alcohol has a higher concentration of calories than say skimmed milk that our body would readily absorb. Therefore so long as one can do enough exercise to burn off the calories from alcohol, it ought not to have Tamasic effects on one's persona. This can be seen clearly in the condition of athletes. Obviously everything needs to be in some sort of modesty....... Therefore it matters less as to what we eat but more as to whether we have completely burnt off the food that we consumed or are we piling up food in our body that would eventually lead to our body feeling lethargic and hence the Tamasic properties manifesting in us. Hope this helps.... Anand [] On Behalf Of AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) comSent: 06 December 2005 19:02To: Subject: Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic dietDear Vinayak JiNamaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the body needs to rebuildAm fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8 Juice Drink you might find in the supermarketIn this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for supportI really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other itemshope this helps a littleDDIn a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Pranams,For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet butcontinue having some trouble with it. First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlicetc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime.I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tiredphysically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once inKentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shotback "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken saladwithout the chicken...".Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think theyall ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless hefollows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physicallystrong as well. I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a practical sattvic dietfor a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me?Regards,-Vinayak------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home pageClick Here!--~-> To send an email to: Yahoo! 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Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Hello all, Namaste, I have looked at a lot of the thoughtful writing about the diet. The diet to me seems like a very useful consideration for anyone on a spiritual path. The triguNa are a useful critiria upon which to classify foods, but there are many other considerations. Each person's diet must strictly follw their body's needs. It is like dharma verses the Abrahamic notion of unchanging right and wrong. One person's poison is the next one's medicine. The sattvoguna is generally useful, but the rajoguna and tamoguna can be very helpful too. The sattvoguna is very light and airy and requires proper balancing. It needs Tamoguna to stabalize it and rajoguna to transform it. Beyond the trigunas is Truth, but past the veil of maaya each guna is required in its proper propertion. All three are necessary and none is preferable. I am an Ayurveda Vaidya and I very rarely prescribe a diet of foods that is even mainly sattvik. This is because i prescribe the foods which the body of the client needs. If vaata doshha is excessed i often prescribe Ayurvedik wines (arishhThas and asavas) and even meat to my clients. The shastras clearly state that for reasons of health wine and meat are permissible. I have seen "uncurable" diseases cured through these methods. It seems useless to say that there is an ideal diet, as it differs for each individual and as time progresses. It seems useless as well to classify foods as Sattvik, Rajasik, or Tamasik as all foods contain all three gunas. The tamoguna is necessary to give substance to sattva. The rajoguna is necessary to digest sattva. Sattva (as described by the Samkya philosophy) is inert and insubstantial. We eat foods for their pranas; Apana, prana, vyana, udana, and samana. The bodies need these pranas. If we seek the Consciousness beyond the bodies, this is perfect regaurdless of diet. The sattvik diet can lead (a healthy person) to subtlety of mind (which helps notice perfection). Most people's anxieties make their mind's too subtle (suukshma) to begin with. There is no physical food substance that is purely sattvik, and there are varying degrees of sattva in food. If it is pure sattva we seek, All five pranas are fully manifest in the air we breath. That is the truely sattvik diet, air and air alone. We may slowly discard food as our pranayama practice become better. I for one have weak kidneys and i follow the needs of the bodies, wether they want meat or wine or onions or beets, or garlic or massor dal or canned food (the body has never wanted this one except in preference to fasting), or sugar, or spice. I look beyond the body and its needs to seek Truth. I figure i was given a body for good reason, and protect it dearly like a precious gift. But what do i know?... I find it important to admit that my practice of brahmacharya is not yet perfected. The vaata dosha of the mind is getting clearer, though, through the careful use of the tamoguna, rajoguna and a little sattva. Om namah shivaya Om With Love Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 yourself. I did not mean to suggest that it is OK to drink alcohol at all. I was merely making a point about the effects of what we consume and how we can avoid Tamasic or ill effects from those ingredients. Moreover the point being made was that even though some balanced diets that are readily accepted in all cultures can also lead to the Tamasic properties manifesting in one's physical appearance if those are not consumed according to the needs of the body. As Sh DDji suggested in his response, sometimes even the things regarded as 'poisonous' in the normal circumstances can have healing or supportive effects if used under strict controls and guidance of the experts in that field. But the big message is 'under strict controls' and not consumed as a short term happiness or trying to avoid certain situations. On a lighter note however seeing that we are approaching Christmas, a glass of wine every now and then and/or maybe a beer is not really going to cause anyone any serious harm is it? 'gulp' (he says trying to sit up straight) Only joking please do not take the last comment seriously. Hope this explains my situation. Kind regards Anand -----Original Message----- [] On Behalf Of Arjuna08 December 2005 16:17Subject: RE: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic diet Namaste Anand,I strongly disagree with your description of alcohol. It is a toxic, addictive substance, that acts as a ong term depressant, and immediately affects judgment, cognition, and physical coordination. It has severe negative effects on a person;s ability to naje giid hydgnents and inhibits meditation. To suggest that one can use such a substance with impunity I believe is incorrect.ArjunaAnand <anand_nortel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: my two pence worth.......... Although I whole heartedly agree with Sri DDji that one does not need to follow a very strict regime of diet if one is not able to devote 100% of their time in religious matters. However if one is prepared to follow the obviously difficult path of a certain set of dietary conditions, then one ought to accept the fact that it is not going to be easy going all of the time. This would be true no matter where one is living. I am not as strict a vegetarian as described below, but having travelled extensively across Europe (both Eastern & Western) and the US, I can tell many stories of carrying dried ready meals and even preparing certain dried foods to carry with me when I knew that my dietary requirements would not be met in certain areas due to the local cultures. Some things in life take a little patience and hard work, including in dietary matters, giving up going to certain types of restaurants and having to make a special trip to the super-market or whatever other fresh food outlet is nearby and purchase the fresh food necessary. Although I do not advise people to follow any certain form of diet, I would not class following certain stricter dietary regime to be any harder than maybe someone with certain special needs (say catering for a certain type of allergy for example). There is always alternatives available to dietary needs no matter where one happens to be, one just have to have the conviction of ensuring that they have planned ahead of time. Now as far as the diet and my understanding of it is concerned, what matters is whether one can completely burn off 90%-95% of the consumed food during the day's cycle. A food is of Tamasic properties if it is going to build up excess of anything in one's body e.g. if one takes alcohol, alcohol has a higher concentration of calories than say skimmed milk that our body would readily absorb. Therefore so long as one can do enough exercise to burn off the calories from alcohol, it ought not to have Tamasic effects on one's persona. This can be seen clearly in the condition of athletes. Obviously everything needs to be in some sort of modesty....... Therefore it matters less as to what we eat but more as to whether we have completely burnt off the food that we consumed or are we piling up food in our body that would eventually lead to our body feeling lethargic and hence the Tamasic properties manifesting in us. Hope this helps.... Anand -----Original Message----- [] On Behalf Of AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) comSent: 06 December 2005 19:02To: Subject: Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic dietDear Vinayak JiNamaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the body needs to rebuildAm fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8 Juice Drink you might find in the supermarketIn this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for supportI really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other itemshope this helps a littleDDIn a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Pranams,For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet butcontinue having some trouble with it. First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlicetc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime.I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tiredphysically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once inKentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shotback "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken saladwithout the chicken...".Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think theyall ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless hefollows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physicallystrong as well. I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a practical sattvic dietfor a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me?Regards,-Vinayak------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home pageClick Here!--~-> To send an email to: Yahoo! 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Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I think we are talking cross purposes here. I respect your views about the use of alcohol. This discussion is not going to lead anywhere and it is so off topic from discussing Rudraksha that it is not worth carrying on. So let's pause here and move on...... Kind regards Anand [] On Behalf Of Arjuna12 December 2005 12:45Subject: RE: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic diet Dear Anandji,I did not take offence. I am simply clear on what alcohol is and does. Do you own experiements and see what results you get. They will be more powerful than anything I can say.Har Har Mahadev!ArjunaAnand <anand_nortel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: ArjunaJi I apologise if I caused some stronger emotional response from yourself. I did not mean to suggest that it is OK to drink alcohol at all. I was merely making a point about the effects of what we consume and how we can avoid Tamasic or ill effects from those ingredients. Moreover the point being made was that even though some balanced diets that are readily accepted in all cultures can also lead to the Tamasic properties manifesting in one's physical appearance if those are not consumed according to the needs of the body. As Sh DDji suggested in his response, sometimes even the things regarded as 'poisonous' in the normal circumstances can have healing or supportive effects if used under strict controls and guidance of the experts in that field. But the big message is 'under strict controls' and not consumed as a short term happiness or trying to avoid certain situations. On a lighter note however seeing that we are approaching Christmas, a glass of wine every now and then and/or maybe a beer is not really going to cause anyone any serious harm is it? 'gulp' (he says trying to sit up straight) Only joking please do not take the last comment seriously. Hope this explains my situation. Kind regards Anand [] On Behalf Of Arjuna08 December 2005 16:17Subject: RE: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic diet Namaste Anand,I strongly disagree with your description of alcohol. It is a toxic, addictive substance, that acts as a ong term depressant, and immediately affects judgment, cognition, and physical coordination. It has severe negative effects on a person;s ability to naje giid hydgnents and inhibits meditation. To suggest that one can use such a substance with impunity I believe is incorrect.ArjunaAnand <anand_nortel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: my two pence worth.......... Although I whole heartedly agree with Sri DDji that one does not need to follow a very strict regime of diet if one is not able to devote 100% of their time in religious matters. However if one is prepared to follow the obviously difficult path of a certain set of dietary conditions, then one ought to accept the fact that it is not going to be easy going all of the time. This would be true no matter where one is living. I am not as strict a vegetarian as described below, but having travelled extensively across Europe (both Eastern & Western) and the US, I can tell many stories of carrying dried ready meals and even preparing certain dried foods to carry with me when I knew that my dietary requirements would not be met in certain areas due to the local cultures. Some things in life take a little patience and hard work, including in dietary matters, giving up going to certain types of restaurants and having to make a special trip to the super-market or whatever other fresh food outlet is nearby and purchase the fresh food necessary. Although I do not advise people to follow any certain form of diet, I would not class following certain stricter dietary regime to be any harder than maybe someone with certain special needs (say catering for a certain type of allergy for example). There is always alternatives available to dietary needs no matter where one happens to be, one just have to have the conviction of ensuring that they have planned ahead of time. Now as far as the diet and my understanding of it is concerned, what matters is whether one can completely burn off 90%-95% of the consumed food during the day's cycle. A food is of Tamasic properties if it is going to build up excess of anything in one's body e.g. if one takes alcohol, alcohol has a higher concentration of calories than say skimmed milk that our body would readily absorb. Therefore so long as one can do enough exercise to burn off the calories from alcohol, it ought not to have Tamasic effects on one's persona. This can be seen clearly in the condition of athletes. Obviously everything needs to be in some sort of modesty....... Therefore it matters less as to what we eat but more as to whether we have completely burnt off the food that we consumed or are we piling up food in our body that would eventually lead to our body feeling lethargic and hence the Tamasic properties manifesting in us. Hope this helps.... Anand [] On Behalf Of AumShiningLotus (AT) aol (DOT) comSent: 06 December 2005 19:02To: Subject: Re: RBSC : Suggestions for sattvic dietDear Vinayak JiNamaskar and thank you for your message............from only one persons opinion I have seen that a purely Sattvic diet is most difficult for anyone in this age to adhere to......we have different duties as a householder now than when the Yogas were written......for example a man who is common laborer and digs ditches and carries blocks and bricks for masonry work would last only a short time physically as the human body on a Satvic Diet can not recharge the body and rebuild the musculature for the next days work without the proper nutrients needed in large quantities.........The Satvic Diets that I am familiar with are great for person who sits in meditation however even today a person on a Satvic Diet needs to be takeing Vitamin and Mineral Supplements as the ground the food is grown in is depleted of the essential nutrients the body needs to rebuildAm fairly certain this is an age where a householder needs to follow a middle path in everything they do....meaing a person can add eggs that have not been fertilized by a rooster to their diet..........and adding fish and shell fish to a diet.......with added Vitamin and Mineral and Soy Protein Drinks.............then also by getting a juiceing machine and juiceing many vegetables in combination much like the popular V 8 Juice Drink you might find in the supermarketIn this age of Kali Yuga we may need to re adjust the labels of what is considered Satvic and what is considered Rajasic for a working man who is also a householder with Family that depend upon him for supportI really dont know of any householder who has been able to completely follow a Satvic Diet and still work in the daily work a day world.........there has most always been vitamin and mineral supplementation and a lot of Soy Bead products and other itemshope this helps a littleDDIn a message dated 12/6/2005 9:27:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, vraghuvamshi writes: Pranams,For past few years, I have been experimenting with sattvic diet butcontinue having some trouble with it. First year, I tried pure sattvic diet, no eggs, no meat, no garlicetc. I live in the US and this just meant no eating out anytime.I did feel nice initially but later on, I started getting tiredphysically and travelling started becoming impossible. I was once inKentucky in a restaurant, I asked for veggie salad and the waiter shotback "We aint got any veggie salad, I can get you a chicken saladwithout the chicken...".Anyways, I then tried to partially include eggs etc. and I think theyall ultimately landed up in the rajasic category. The Bhakti Yoga states that one cannot achieve bhakti unless hefollows a sattvic diet. It also states that one has to be physicallystrong as well. I dont think I have succeeded in my quest for a practical sattvic dietfor a working, family man. Do you have any advice for me?Regards,-Vinayak------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home pageClick Here!--~-> To send an email to: Yahoo! 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