True Guru <---HERE'S A GOOD CASE STUDY

[Guest guest]

A real guru is the one who will let go and think above

"me and mine" but it is very difficult to find such a

guru, the only way to find guidance is to look inside

and seek the guidance from God. it works, I have found

that, I believe there are angels (Gods Agents, Nobel

Souls) all around watching us trying to lead in the

path of God, they know our thoughts, they are all

there to help, all we have to do is look inside and

seek.

 

According to Ketan Baba (yourstruelyprince) if we

surrender our ego we connect with the Absolute world,

which is absolutely true, if we can connect to the

absolute world why do we need a mediator (unless the

medaitor is good).

 

Yes I agree if we find a Guru who is knowledgeble,

selfless and Compasiionate then it is great but even

if you do not find a guru you can get enlightenment if

you seek the world of God, the spirit world.

 

We are not alone in this world, we are sent with a

specific purpose and we find our guidance in the human

form and sometimes in the spiritual form, it is up to

us to open up and see the spiritual world.

 

Best Regards,

Divakar.

 

--- Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

 

> Here's a case study:

>

> A man in dire straits meets an Indian Guru who

> initiates him and gives

> him a spiritual name. He then advises him to go stay

> with him in India.

> The man gets to India only to find that his Guru is

> gone to stay in the

> west. So he stays with the (senior) Guru bhai of his

> Guru who gives

> shelter. The Gurubhai tells the man that he received

> letters from the

> Guru that the man should stay with him to learn. So

> the Gurubhai

> becomes the new Guru of the man and even reinitiates

> him. Many years

> pass in this way.

>

> Finally the man finds out that his original Guru is

> angry at the Guru

> Bhai for stealing his disciple and lying about his

> letters. He

> instructs the man to renounce the monkhood received

> from the Guru Bhai

> and return as a brahmachari with the original name.

>

> The man asks the Guru Bhai to let him go back to his

> real guru, but the

> Guru Bhai becomes angry too. Seeing the two gurus

> fighting and calling

> names the man decides to leave. First he returns to

> his original Guru,

> who bad mouths his Guru Bhai. So the man decides

> that BOTH are his

> guru, but he is disappointed in them both for

> fighting like mundane men

> over a worthless little disciple.

>

> Plus the man finds that life with the Guru Bhai was

> far more inspiring

> and "paaka," while life with original Guru is an

> institutional night

> mare of mixing men and women always chasing after

> money.

>

> Q: Does this man have No Guru? Or Two Gurus? Or One

> Guru? Who would be

> "True Guru" in the above example case?

[Guest guest]

I'll have a stab at it just because the story is probably repeated many

times over in India especially because there are so many of us trying to

find that 'peace of mind' and don't ever seem to be able to sustain

having 'it'.

 

For a student to find a teacher, student has to be 'true' within

himself. If the 'student' does not have the correct learning nature,

he/she would find it easy to be 'led' by others. For such 'students'

every person that is adding to their knowledge at the time has to be

their 'true' teacher at the time. Moreover they would have to move from

one 'true' teacher to the next. These teachers can be physically

different at different times in such student's life and some of the

'teachers' may become 'students' of that first student in his/her life

time.

 

Knowledge has no religion, no caste, no creed, no society. Knowledge is

just that 'Knowledge' and the cold fact of life is that our conscious

brains are simply not designed to sustain 'complete' cosmic knowledge

(also referred to as 'Brahma-Gyana' in traditional Hindu culture).

 

Every now and then (maybe through mutation or whatever other means that

great cosmic consciousness chooses) some people have brains adapted to

be more in tune with sustaining higher degrees of knowledge. Their

conscious brains have channels linking the conscious with the

sub-conscious thus making them adaptable to bring forth the knowledge

hidden in the sub-conscious parts of brain. It is only those few

individuals that can understand the laws governing the cosmos better

than the majority of us.

 

For the very few 'students' who have a real desire of learning, everyone

else on this earth is a teacher & no-one is their 'true' teacher. For

them everyone in this world has a unique set of experiences and hence a

unique outlook to the problems of this world. A 'true' student simply

understands this and keeps on learning without trying to find a 'true'

teacher.

 

People who go out searching for a physical being to lead them through

this life are simply not grasping the need to understand the beauty of

life. All one has to do is to look around and the beauty of divine is

shining through everything around us. Learning is a process and it has

to carry on throughout the physical life-time as there is only one true

constant in this world and that is 'nothing in this world is constant

everything is in a continuous state of change albeit at different

speeds'.

 

Don't go finding 'teachers' find yourself and understand yourself, the

rest will simply fall in place.

 

Kind regards

 

Anand

 

 

 

[] On Behalf Of Richard

Shaw Brown

01 September 2005 08:23

 

RBSC : True Guru <---HERE'S A GOOD CASE STUDY

 

 

Here's a case study:

 

A man in dire straits meets an Indian Guru who initiates him and gives

him a spiritual name. He then advises him to go stay with him in India.

The man gets to India only to find that his Guru is gone to stay in the

west. So he stays with the (senior) Guru bhai of his Guru who gives

shelter. The Gurubhai tells the man that he received letters from the

Guru that the man should stay with him to learn. So the Gurubhai

becomes the new Guru of the man and even reinitiates him. Many years

pass in this way.

 

Finally the man finds out that his original Guru is angry at the Guru

Bhai for stealing his disciple and lying about his letters. He

instructs the man to renounce the monkhood received from the Guru Bhai

and return as a brahmachari with the original name.

 

The man asks the Guru Bhai to let him go back to his real guru, but the

Guru Bhai becomes angry too. Seeing the two gurus fighting and calling

names the man decides to leave. First he returns to his original Guru,

who bad mouths his Guru Bhai. So the man decides that BOTH are his

guru, but he is disappointed in them both for fighting like mundane men

over a worthless little disciple.

 

Plus the man finds that life with the Guru Bhai was far more inspiring

and "paaka," while life with original Guru is an institutional night

mare of mixing men and women always chasing after money.

 

Q: Does this man have No Guru? Or Two Gurus? Or One Guru? Who would be

"True Guru" in the above example case?

 

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