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Dear Dharmadevji and simonji

 

Humble pranams

I was away for quite a few months and now am happy to be back

 

When doing some study on rudraksha came across some very interesting

facts.................

 

The rudraksha bead can be used to identify whether the food we consume is good

gor our body or not.......

 

Basically there are two types of food as per our scriptures.......negative

pranic food.....which is bad for our prana and positive pranic food which is

good for our prana.......PRANA means Life force.............. the fuel that

keeps us going.......

 

Many many years ago Shiva devotees (Sidhars) as they were known in the southern

part of India used to get alms from devotees to eat or would roam around in the

forest and find something to eat apart from indulging in very powerful

meditation...........

 

In order to find before eating wether the food is ok for the body.........they

would hold a rudraksha mala.......very still and wait........... within a few

minutes(60-100 secs) the mala would start rotating............. and if the

rotation was clockwise then it is positive pranic food and if anti clockwise

then it is not good for us........... if swinging like a pendulm then it is

nuetral

 

My friends belive me it works every single time ................... You could do

so using your own malas............ and you would find that it swings anti

clockwise for Garlic,butter........... and clockwise for lemon,oranges,.........

and as a pendulm for tomatoes........................you could try it for all

kinds of stuff...............and it lo!..works like magic..............

 

what a beautiful tool shiva has given us ............... so go ahead and start

using the beads to its full potential...............................

Any feedback will be appreciated as I am always learning and there is no end to

the miracles of rudra and rudraksha...........

 

Vipin.K

 

rudracenter <no_reply> wrote:

Dear Friends

 

DharmaDev Arya writing from the home office email address

 

There was a question that got knocked off the moderators list for

some unknown reason so thought I would try and cover it here

 

A member of this group asked about wearing Rudraksha at time of

eating certain foods......we have covered this before however we can

do it again

 

garlic and onion and carrot and hot soups were questioned from a book

that was not identified

 

Siva Purana Vidyesvara Samhita part 43 states...A devotee of Shiva

shall refrain from eating meat, garlic, onion, red garlic, potherb.

slesmataka, pig of rubbish and liquors

 

There is no mention of carrots and hot soups.....................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste

 

This is most interesting post...I must have some input...the

conclusion of DD is that some puranas and srimaddevibhagavat offer

distorted knowledge...because they were written by different

authors, some who were lying..! How can this be proven...? So if you

really knoq this, what is true and not in the Puranas, how are you

concluding...based on your own personal sentiment...? If not...how

do you objectively separate false from true statements in these

books..?

 

About 3 mukhi and 7 mukhi and forgiving of sins... Why should this

not be so? All bad karma cannot be forgiven if one sincerely repents

and wear holy rudraksha? Lord Shiva is Very Merciful...? I

understand the quotes...that not that you simply wear and then you

can do whatever you like in the present and future..that is not to

be understood from this..!! I rather understand this to mean, those

text shows very clearly that even henious sins can be nullified by

wearing Rudraksha, PROVIDED one has stopped this activity in the

past. Otherwise, why do we find instructions to even avoid certain

vegetarian foods opposed to sattvic influence..this to accelerate

the burning of karma from wearing rudraksha...so about garlic and

onions etc..it is widely known among Ayurvedic doctors that garlic

has powerful physical and medicinal effect on body if prepared

correctly...but also has dulling tamasic effect on mind and create

too much semen and urge for sex in men particularly, that is why the

restriction is there for people who want to live sattvic life

without unnecessary hindrance..I have very clear personal experience

of the effects with garlic..Onions are said to be very

rajasic...maybe it is all the sulphur...

 

Satyadharma

 

, rudracenter

<no_reply> wrote:

> Dear Friends

>

> DharmaDev Arya writing from the home office email address

>

> There was a question that got knocked off the moderators list for

> some unknown reason so thought I would try and cover it here

>

> A member of this group asked about wearing Rudraksha at time of

> eating certain foods......we have covered this before however we

can

> do it again

>

> garlic and onion and carrot and hot soups were questioned from a

book

> that was not identified

>

> Siva Purana Vidyesvara Samhita part 43 states...A devotee of Shiva

> shall refrain from eating meat, garlic, onion, red garlic,

potherb.

> slesmataka, pig of rubbish and liquors

>

> There is no mention of carrots and hot soups

>

> Have no idea why these vegetables are omitted from the

diet........I

> do know that vedic priests omit garlic from diet at particular

times

> of the year however from a health standpoint garlic and onions are

> some of the most important herbs a human body can consume so your

> guess is as good as anyone elses why the author of the Shiva

Purana

> would print this

>

> Some things printed in the Holy Books........that were written by

a

> human.........simply dont apply...........today if you eat enough

> Ghee or purifed butter it will clog your arteries and you can die

> young

>

> An example found in the SriMadDeviBhagavat states that wearing a 3

> Mukhi Rudraksha removes the sin of woman killing...........this is

> totally wrong and is still printed in a Holy Book

>

> Padma Purana gets even worse and that is why we stay with the

Shiva

> Purana as is shows the compassionate side of Lord Shiva Lord Rudra

>

> In Padma Purana it states if you wear 7 Mukhi Rudraksha Lord of

the

> Serpents Siva is also very much pleased. Due to his being pleased

all

> sins due to brahmanicide, drinking liquor, stealing etc and

violating

> ones teacher wife perish day by day. He would certainly obtain

> godlike pleasures in the three worlds

>

> This is total nonsense and wrong infomation and the author of the

> Padma Purana is actually lying to the public in this

> instance.......there is no Rudraksha wearing that will forgive the

> offensive and unacceptable behaviour of woman killing or killing

of

> Brahmans

>

> The reason you see different rules and regulations about wearing

the

> Holy Rudraksha is that different Holy Books were written at

different

> times in the History of India........so Rudra Center stays with

the

> first book concerning the Tears of Lord Siva and that is the Shiva

> Purana........if we stay with this one book we have the original

> authors impressions when he wrote the general rules to follow

>

> One woman wrote to me once and said she had heard that it was not

> allowed to walk under laundry hanging from tall buildings while

> wearing the Rudraksha..........this one totally stopped my

thinking

> as it took me by surprise in a way that made me laugh so much I

> almost fell out of chair.............told her that when they wrote

> the rules of wearing there were no tall buildings where they hung

> laundry from so this must be some kind of mistake

>

> hope this helps explain more about what is written regarding rules

of

> wearing and what is acceptable in this age

>

> If you want to wear Rudraksha and eat carrots and hot soups it is

> really not a problem.......is only another story from someone who

> doesnt know what they are talking about or are repeating something

> they heard from someone else............actually Sri Jabala who

wrote

> the RudrakshaJabaloPanishad would have a really good time with

> someone saying this about carrots and hot soups......am thinking

he

> would have a good time laughing happily so thanks for your message

on

> this

>

>

> Wishing you and Family the Best

>

> DD

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Dear Satyadharma Ji

 

Objective observations of certain mistruths found in some of the Holy

Books....... as they apply to this age............ would take the form of

observable

phenomenon read in the Holy Books themselves.........you can ask any Hindu

Priest in any Temple and one of the most important understandings for todays

Hindu is that all the mentions in the Holy Books do not apply to todays age

 

One of the reasons for this is that some of the Laws and Rules in the Holy

Books may have been changed to fit the societies needs at the time in order to

maintain law and order and control a population........for example the Bible in

the Christian world has been changed so many times nobody really knows what

was in the first book as the Popes over the years changed the information in

the Bible according to their needs of the time

 

In the History of India for example the authors of the Holy Books at the time

ithe Kshantriya took SanatanaDharma from the Rich and gave the teachings to

all people in the community so all people could perform Puja in their own homes

was a time when Brahmanicide most likely reached its peak and Brahmans became

targets for being killed due to their past descriminations and actions

 

SriMadDeviBhagavat was most likely writting in this time as was the Padma

Purana........In the SriMadDeviBhagavat Chapter Five part 39 it states wearing a

3 Mukhi Rudraksha will make a penniless person a millionaire........this is a

rediculous statement and it is not good to promote such statements today as it

misleads the public

 

In part 40 to 53 is narrated the story of Gunanidhi who started out as

Brahmin son of a wealthy man and then lost all that he had due to enjoyment and

started thefts in the houses of Brahmins........he poisoned his mentor and

became

fearless....when his parents found out he poisoned them also.........when

abandoned by kith and kin for being a drunkard he left for jungle with Muktavali

and on the way he killed many Brahmins for sake of money

 

Then the book goes on to say..............when that wicked died the

attendants of Yama came for him and the attendants of Lord Siva stopped them

from

takeing him........the attendants of Yama asked the attendants of Siva why do

they

want to take him to Siva Loka........reply was that there was a Rudraksha 10

feet below where the man died

 

This story is only one of many that cancles itself out if you apply the

logical process of of observable phenomenon.......the author is clear in this

story

of how a murderer who killed Brahmans and his parents supposedly went to Siva

Loka because he died in the area of a Holy Rudraksha Bead........this story

is a false story and didnt happen by logic alone unless there are some rules

that I dont know about entering Siva Loka.........you dont get the ultimate

reward after a life of unspeakable crimes simply because you die in the area of

a

Holy Rudraksha Bead

 

This is the age of accountability and if you kill a Brahmin today and act in

the same manner as the man in this story you go to jail and face the death

penalty.......the person does not go to Siva Loka

 

As you menitioned I have also made reference to the Padma Purana in another

message regarding wearing the 7 Mukhi Goddess MahaLakshmi Rudraksha forgiveing

the sins of Brahmanicide or killing Brahmins......here again is a book that

mentions all the sins that can be forgiven in the society from wearing Rudraksha

Beads......simply isnt so.......by mentioning the crimes the beads would

forgive means that these crimes were such a problem in the society at the time

that something had to be done to relieve their continued negative effects on the

nation in general

 

Today if you commit the crimes mentioned in the Padma Purana the Judge does

not forgive you because you wear Rudraksha Beads........I know of no court in

the world that gives out attonement of wearing Rudraksha beads as restitution

for killing people.......or stealing from others ........or killing

women...........violateing the teachers wife.......or cheating in money

transactions

 

Point being made another difficult issue to tackle is that India has been

conquered numerous times.........in the time of the British Rule the British

East

Indian Company went so far as to hire a German to re write some of Indias

most important books........question is who has the list of the books that were

tampered with and are we reading the transliterations of these books

now........I dont know however the Sadhakas on Kauai may have the answer to this

question

 

I dont know where you got the idea that Garlic can produce Testosterone in

men.......its not in any book I have read in the eastern or western world and if

you go to any health food store they will be able to tell you that garlic

helps with blood problems among other things

 

I also told you about the different types of onions.......what was supposed

to be read in the message is that there are different subspecies of onions that

produce different effects on t he body..........from purple onions that help

the heart to yellow onions that can actually cause heart burn

 

What is true and what is not true in the Puranas is up to the individual

reading and how much knowledge they have regarding interpreatation and

logic.........you have to go with what you believe is true and listen to your

intuition...........In these messages I am comeing forward in a public forum and

going

with what I believe to be true in general logical reasonable terms.........this

may not be the same truth for you as we each have to find our own way in this

lifetime.............I certainly have been wrong before however again the

traps of maya and mara are many and we dont know if or how many of the Holy

Books

had been changed with additions or deletions before we are able to read

them.........The Sadhakas at Kauai Monestary in Hawaii know more about this and

have

recorded some of it in a timetable of Indias History

 

hope this helps to clarify

 

Wishing you and Family the Best

 

Thanks and Take Care

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/25/2005 8:12:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,

satyadharma writes:

 

>

>

> Namaste

>

> This is most interesting post...I must have some input...the

> conclusion of DD is that some puranas and srimaddevibhagavat offer

> distorted knowledge...because they were written by different

> authors, some who were lying..! How can this be proven...? So if you

> really knoq this, what is true and not in the Puranas, how are you

> concluding...based on your own personal sentiment...? If not...how

> do you objectively separate false from true statements in these

> books..?

>

> About 3 mukhi and 7 mukhi and forgiving of sins... Why should this

> not be so? All bad karma cannot be forgiven if one sincerely repents

> and wear holy rudraksha? Lord Shiva is Very Merciful...? I

> understand the quotes...that not that you simply wear and then you

> can do whatever you like in the present and future..that is not to

> be understood from this..!! I rather understand this to mean, those

> text shows very clearly that even henious sins can be nullified by

> wearing Rudraksha, PROVIDED one has stopped this activity in the

> past. Otherwise, why do we find instructions to even avoid certain

> vegetarian foods opposed to sattvic influence..this to accelerate

> the burning of karma from wearing rudraksha...so about garlic and

> onions etc..it is widely known among Ayurvedic doctors that garlic

> has powerful physical and medicinal effect on body if prepared

> correctly...but also has dulling tamasic effect on mind and create

> too much semen and urge for sex in men particularly, that is why the

> restriction is there for people who want to live sattvic life

> without unnecessary hindrance..I have very clear personal experience

> of the effects with garlic..Onions are said to be very

> rajasic...maybe it is all the sulphur...

>

> Satyadharma

>

> , rudracenter

> <no_reply> wrote:

> >Dear Friends

> >

> >DharmaDev Arya writing from the home office email address

> >

> >There was a question that got knocked off the moderators list for

> >some unknown reason so thought I would try and cover it here

> >

> >A member of this group asked about wearing Rudraksha at time of

> >eating certain foods......we have covered this before however we

> can

> >do it again

> >

> >garlic and onion and carrot and hot soups were questioned from a

> book

> >that was not identified

> >

> >Siva Purana Vidyesvara Samhita part 43 states...A devotee of Shiva

> >shall refrain from eating meat, garlic, onion, red garlic,

> potherb.

> >slesmataka, pig of rubbish and liquors

> >

> >There is no mention of carrots and hot soups

> >

> >Have no idea why these vegetables are omitted from the

> diet........I

> >do know that vedic priests omit garlic from diet at particular

> times

> >of the year however from a health standpoint garlic and onions are

> >some of the most important herbs a human body can consume so your

> >guess is as good as anyone elses why the author of the Shiva

> Purana

> >would print this

> >

> >Some things printed in the Holy Books........that were written by

> a

> >human.........simply dont apply...........today if you eat enough

> >Ghee or purifed butter it will clog your arteries and you can die

> >young

> >

> >An example found in the SriMadDeviBhagavat states that wearing a 3

> >Mukhi Rudraksha removes the sin of woman killing...........this is

> >totally wrong and is still printed in a Holy Book

> >

> >Padma Purana gets even worse and that is why we stay with the

> Shiva

> >Purana as is shows the compassionate side of Lord Shiva Lord Rudra

> >

> >In Padma Purana it states if you wear 7 Mukhi Rudraksha Lord of

> the

> >Serpents Siva is also very much pleased. Due to his being pleased

> all

> >sins due to brahmanicide, drinking liquor, stealing etc and

> violating

> >ones teacher wife perish day by day. He would certainly obtain

> >godlike pleasures in the three worlds

> >

> >This is total nonsense and wrong infomation and the author of the

> >Padma Purana is actually lying to the public in this

> >instance.......there is no Rudraksha wearing that will forgive the

> >offensive and unacceptable behaviour of woman killing or killing

> of

> >Brahmans

> >

> >The reason you see different rules and regulations about wearing

> the

> >Holy Rudraksha is that different Holy Books were written at

> different

> >times in the History of India........so Rudra Center stays with

> the

> >first book concerning the Tears of Lord Siva and that is the Shiva

> >Purana........if we stay with this one book we have the original

> >authors impressions when he wrote the general rules to follow

> >

> >One woman wrote to me once and said she had heard that it was not

> >allowed to walk under laundry hanging from tall buildings while

> >wearing the Rudraksha..........this one totally stopped my

> thinking

> >as it took me by surprise in a way that made me laugh so much I

> >almost fell out of chair.............told her that when they wrote

> >the rules of wearing there were no tall buildings where they hung

> >laundry from so this must be some kind of mistake

> >

> >hope this helps explain more about what is written regarding rules

> of

> >wearing and what is acceptable in this age

> >

> >If you want to wear Rudraksha and eat carrots and hot soups it is

> >really not a problem.......is only another story from someone who

> >doesnt know what they are talking about or are repeating something

> >they heard from someone else............actually Sri Jabala who

> wrote

> >the RudrakshaJabaloPanishad would have a really good time with

> >someone saying this about carrots and hot soups......am thinking

> he

> >would have a good time laughing happily so thanks for your message

> on

> >this

> >

> >

> >Wishing you and Family the Best

> >

> >DD

>

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Dear Prithvi Ji

 

Namaskar Mitra and thank you for filling in some of the blanks.....yes

understand there are special times of abstention..............and yes it was the

person named Max Mueller who took on the task to re write the books

 

Thanks for your help in this matter

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/25/2005 10:11:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,

prithvi.sharma writes:

 

>

>

> Dear DDji,

>

> One should abstain from garlic and onions when one is engaged in some

> special anushthana in which case one should preferably live on fruits and

> milk alone. You are right in that we should look at the current

> circumstances. My rev Gurudev was a Vaishnav but even he took garlic when

> he developed heart ailment.

>

> The English hired Max Mueller and he, according to my rev Gurudev was not

> such a smart guy. His interpretations are not correct!

>

> The best thing is to listen to the mind and the heart in deciding right

> and wrong.

>

> Using you own words:

>

> Dhanyavaad cha pranaam, Mitra

>

>

> Prithvi

>

AumShiningLotus

> Sent by:

> 08/25/2005 06:04 PM

> Please respond to

>

>

> cc:

> Re: RBSC : Re: Garlic and other foods

>

>

> Dear Satyadharma Ji

>

> Objective observations of certain mistruths found in some of the Holy

> Books....... as they apply to this age............ would take the form of

> observable

> phenomenon read in the Holy Books themselves.........you can ask any Hindu

>

> Priest in any Temple and one of the most important understandings for

> todays

> Hindu is that all the mentions in the Holy Books do not apply to todays

> age

>

> One of the reasons for this is that some of the Laws and Rules in the Holy

>

> Books may have been changed to fit the societies needs at the time in

> order to

> maintain law and order and control a population........for example the

> Bible in

> the Christian world has been changed so many times nobody really knows

> what

> was in the first book as the Popes over the years changed the information

> in

> the Bible according to their needs of the time

>

> In the History of India for example the authors of the Holy Books at the

> time

> ithe Kshantriya took SanatanaDharma from the Rich and gave the teachings

> to

> all people in the community so all people could perform

 

 

 

 

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Dear DDji,

 

One should abstain from garlic and onions when one is engaged in some

special anushthana in which case one should preferably live on fruits and

milk alone. You are right in that we should look at the current

circumstances. My rev Gurudev was a Vaishnav but even he took garlic when

he developed heart ailment.

 

The English hired Max Mueller and he, according to my rev Gurudev was not

such a smart guy. His interpretations are not correct!

 

The best thing is to listen to the mind and the heart in deciding right

and wrong.

 

Using you own words:

 

Dhanyavaad cha pranaam, Mitra

 

 

Prithvi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AumShiningLotus

Sent by:

08/25/2005 06:04 PM

Please respond to

 

cc:

Re: RBSC : Re: Garlic and other foods

 

 

Dear Satyadharma Ji

 

Objective observations of certain mistruths found in some of the Holy

Books....... as they apply to this age............ would take the form of

observable

phenomenon read in the Holy Books themselves.........you can ask any Hindu

 

Priest in any Temple and one of the most important understandings for

todays

Hindu is that all the mentions in the Holy Books do not apply to todays

age

 

One of the reasons for this is that some of the Laws and Rules in the Holy

 

Books may have been changed to fit the societies needs at the time in

order to

maintain law and order and control a population........for example the

Bible in

the Christian world has been changed so many times nobody really knows

what

was in the first book as the Popes over the years changed the information

in

the Bible according to their needs of the time

 

In the History of India for example the authors of the Holy Books at the

time

ithe Kshantriya took SanatanaDharma from the Rich and gave the teachings

to

all people in the community so all people could perform Puja in their own

homes

was a time when Brahmanicide most likely reached its peak and Brahmans

became

targets for being killed due to their past descriminations and actions

 

SriMadDeviBhagavat was most likely writting in this time as was the Padma

Purana........In the SriMadDeviBhagavat Chapter Five part 39 it states

wearing a

3 Mukhi Rudraksha will make a penniless person a millionaire........this

is a

rediculous statement and it is not good to promote such statements today

as it

misleads the public

 

In part 40 to 53 is narrated the story of Gunanidhi who started out as

Brahmin son of a wealthy man and then lost all that he had due to

enjoyment and

started thefts in the houses of Brahmins........he poisoned his mentor and

became

fearless....when his parents found out he poisoned them also.........when

abandoned by kith and kin for being a drunkard he left for jungle with

Muktavali

and on the way he killed many Brahmins for sake of money

 

Then the book goes on to say..............when that wicked died the

attendants of Yama came for him and the attendants of Lord Siva stopped

them from

takeing him........the attendants of Yama asked the attendants of Siva why

do they

want to take him to Siva Loka........reply was that there was a Rudraksha

10

feet below where the man died

 

This story is only one of many that cancles itself out if you apply the

logical process of of observable phenomenon.......the author is clear in

this story

of how a murderer who killed Brahmans and his parents supposedly went to

Siva

Loka because he died in the area of a Holy Rudraksha Bead........this

story

is a false story and didnt happen by logic alone unless there are some

rules

that I dont know about entering Siva Loka.........you dont get the

ultimate

reward after a life of unspeakable crimes simply because you die in the

area of a

Holy Rudraksha Bead

 

This is the age of accountability and if you kill a Brahmin today and act

in

the same manner as the man in this story you go to jail and face the death

 

penalty.......the person does not go to Siva Loka

 

As you menitioned I have also made reference to the Padma Purana in

another

message regarding wearing the 7 Mukhi Goddess MahaLakshmi Rudraksha

forgiveing

the sins of Brahmanicide or killing Brahmins......here again is a book

that

mentions all the sins that can be forgiven in the society from wearing

Rudraksha

Beads......simply isnt so.......by mentioning the crimes the beads would

forgive means that these crimes were such a problem in the society at the

time

that something had to be done to relieve their continued negative effects

on the

nation in general

 

Today if you commit the crimes mentioned in the Padma Purana the Judge

does

not forgive you because you wear Rudraksha Beads........I know of no court

in

the world that gives out attonement of wearing Rudraksha beads as

restitution

for killing people.......or stealing from others ........or killing

women...........violateing the teachers wife.......or cheating in money

transactions

 

Point being made another difficult issue to tackle is that India has been

conquered numerous times.........in the time of the British Rule the

British East

Indian Company went so far as to hire a German to re write some of Indias

most important books........question is who has the list of the books that

were

tampered with and are we reading the transliterations of these books

now........I dont know however the Sadhakas on Kauai may have the answer

to this

question

 

I dont know where you got the idea that Garlic can produce Testosterone in

 

men.......its not in any book I have read in the eastern or western world

and if

you go to any health food store they will be able to tell you that garlic

helps with blood problems among other things

 

I also told you about the different types of onions.......what was

supposed

to be read in the message is that there are different subspecies of onions

that

produce different effects on t he body..........from purple onions that

help

the heart to yellow onions that can actually cause heart burn

 

What is true and what is not true in the Puranas is up to the individual

reading and how much knowledge they have regarding interpreatation and

logic.........you have to go with what you believe is true and listen to

your

intuition...........In these messages I am comeing forward in a public

forum and going

with what I believe to be true in general logical reasonable

terms.........this

may not be the same truth for you as we each have to find our own way in

this

lifetime.............I certainly have been wrong before however again the

traps of maya and mara are many and we dont know if or how many of the

Holy Books

had been changed with additions or deletions before we are able to read

them.........The Sadhakas at Kauai Monestary in Hawaii know more about

this and have

recorded some of it in a timetable of Indias History

 

hope this helps to clarify

 

Wishing you and Family the Best

 

Thanks and Take Care

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/25/2005 8:12:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,

satyadharma writes:

 

>

>

> Namaste

>

> This is most interesting post...I must have some input...the

> conclusion of DD is that some puranas and srimaddevibhagavat offer

> distorted knowledge...because they were written by different

> authors, some who were lying..! How can this be proven...? So if you

> really knoq this, what is true and not in the Puranas, how are you

> concluding...based on your own personal sentiment...? If not...how

> do you objectively separate false from true statements in these

> books..?

>

> About 3 mukhi and 7 mukhi and forgiving of sins... Why should this

> not be so? All bad karma cannot be forgiven if one sincerely repents

> and wear holy rudraksha? Lord Shiva is Very Merciful...? I

> understand the quotes...that not that you simply wear and then you

> can do whatever you like in the present and future..that is not to

> be understood from this..!! I rather understand this to mean, those

> text shows very clearly that even henious sins can be nullified by

> wearing Rudraksha, PROVIDED one has stopped this activity in the

> past. Otherwise, why do we find instructions to even avoid certain

> vegetarian foods opposed to sattvic influence..this to accelerate

> the burning of karma from wearing rudraksha...so about garlic and

> onions etc..it is widely known among Ayurvedic doctors that garlic

> has powerful physical and medicinal effect on body if prepared

> correctly...but also has dulling tamasic effect on mind and create

> too much semen and urge for sex in men particularly, that is why the

> restriction is there for people who want to live sattvic life

> without unnecessary hindrance..I have very clear personal experience

> of the effects with garlic..Onions are said to be very

> rajasic...maybe it is all the sulphur...

>

> Satyadharma

>

> , rudracenter

> <no_reply> wrote:

> >Dear Friends

> >

> >DharmaDev Arya writing from the home office email address

> >

> >There was a question that got knocked off the moderators list for

> >some unknown reason so thought I would try and cover it here

> >

> >A member of this group asked about wearing Rudraksha at time of

> >eating certain foods......we have covered this before however we

> can

> >do it again

> >

> >garlic and onion and carrot and hot soups were questioned from a

> book

> >that was not identified

> >

> >Siva Purana Vidyesvara Samhita part 43 states...A devotee of Shiva

> >shall refrain from eating meat, garlic, onion, red garlic,

> potherb.

> >slesmataka, pig of rubbish and liquors

> >

> >There is no mention of carrots and hot soups

> >

> >Have no idea why these vegetables are omitted from the

> diet........I

> >do know that vedic priests omit garlic from diet at particular

> times

> >of the year however from a health standpoint garlic and onions are

> >some of the most important herbs a human body can consume so your

> >guess is as good as anyone elses why the author of the Shiva

> Purana

> >would print this

> >

> >Some things printed in the Holy Books........that were written by

> a

> >human.........simply dont apply...........today if you eat enough

> >Ghee or purifed butter it will clog your arteries and you can die

> >young

> >

> >An example found in the SriMadDeviBhagavat states that wearing a 3

> >Mukhi Rudraksha removes the sin of woman killing...........this is

> >totally wrong and is still printed in a Holy Book

> >

> >Padma Purana gets even worse and that is why we stay with the

> Shiva

> >Purana as is shows the compassionate side of Lord Shiva Lord Rudra

> >

> >In Padma Purana it states if you wear 7 Mukhi Rudraksha Lord of

> the

> >Serpents Siva is also very much pleased. Due to his being pleased

> all

> >sins due to brahmanicide, drinking liquor, stealing etc and

> violating

> >ones teacher wife perish day by day. He would certainly obtain

> >godlike pleasures in the three worlds

> >

> >This is total nonsense and wrong infomation and the author of the

> >Padma Purana is actually lying to the public in this

> >instance.......there is no Rudraksha wearing that will forgive the

> >offensive and unacceptable behaviour of woman killing or killing

> of

> >Brahmans

> >

> >The reason you see different rules and regulations about wearing

> the

> >Holy Rudraksha is that different Holy Books were written at

> different

> >times in the History of India........so Rudra Center stays with

> the

> >first book concerning the Tears of Lord Siva and that is the Shiva

> >Purana........if we stay with this one book we have the original

> >authors impressions when he wrote the general rules to follow

> >

> >One woman wrote to me once and said she had heard that it was not

> >allowed to walk under laundry hanging from tall buildings while

> >wearing the Rudraksha..........this one totally stopped my

> thinking

> >as it took me by surprise in a way that made me laugh so much I

> >almost fell out of chair.............told her that when they wrote

> >the rules of wearing there were no tall buildings where they hung

> >laundry from so this must be some kind of mistake

> >

> >hope this helps explain more about what is written regarding rules

> of

> >wearing and what is acceptable in this age

> >

> >If you want to wear Rudraksha and eat carrots and hot soups it is

> >really not a problem.......is only another story from someone who

> >doesnt know what they are talking about or are repeating something

> >they heard from someone else............actually Sri Jabala who

> wrote

> >the RudrakshaJabaloPanishad would have a really good time with

> >someone saying this about carrots and hot soups......am thinking

> he

> >would have a good time laughing happily so thanks for your message

> on

> >this

> >

> >

> >Wishing you and Family the Best

> >

> >DD

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Dear DharmaDev Ji

 

Thank you for the reply. I do want to acknowledge that it is a fact

that Puranas and other scriptures have been altered, that is stated

by even prominent Acharyas. I have some further comments to what you

wrote, but today is celebrating Sri Krishna Janmasthami, so I will

not have time today to write a detailed reply until monday.

 

As for garlic, I did not say anywhere it is increasing testosterone.

I was giving the information from different ayurvedic physicians who

are explaining its effect on the body and mind according to

Ayurvedic knowledge and experience.

 

Thanking you,

 

Satyadharma

 

,

AumShiningLotus@a... wrote:

> Dear Satyadharma Ji

>

> Objective observations of certain mistruths found in some of the

Holy

> Books....... as they apply to this age............ would take the

form of observable

> phenomenon read in the Holy Books themselves.........you can ask

any Hindu

> Priest in any Temple and one of the most important understandings

for todays

> Hindu is that all the mentions in the Holy Books do not apply to

todays age

>

> One of the reasons for this is that some of the Laws and Rules in

the Holy

> Books may have been changed to fit the societies needs at the time

in order to

> maintain law and order and control a population........for example

the Bible in

> the Christian world has been changed so many times nobody really

knows what

> was in the first book as the Popes over the years changed the

information in

> the Bible according to their needs of the time

>

> In the History of India for example the authors of the Holy Books

at the time

> ithe Kshantriya took SanatanaDharma from the Rich and gave the

teachings to

> all people in the community so all people could perform Puja in

their own homes

> was a time when Brahmanicide most likely reached its peak and

Brahmans became

> targets for being killed due to their past descriminations and

actions

>

> SriMadDeviBhagavat was most likely writting in this time as was

the Padma

> Purana........In the SriMadDeviBhagavat Chapter Five part 39 it

states wearing a

> 3 Mukhi Rudraksha will make a penniless person a

millionaire........this is a

> rediculous statement and it is not good to promote such statements

today as it

> misleads the public

>

> In part 40 to 53 is narrated the story of Gunanidhi who started

out as

> Brahmin son of a wealthy man and then lost all that he had due to

enjoyment and

> started thefts in the houses of Brahmins........he poisoned his

mentor and became

> fearless....when his parents found out he poisoned them

also.........when

> abandoned by kith and kin for being a drunkard he left for jungle

with Muktavali

> and on the way he killed many Brahmins for sake of money

>

> Then the book goes on to say..............when that wicked died

the

> attendants of Yama came for him and the attendants of Lord Siva

stopped them from

> takeing him........the attendants of Yama asked the attendants of

Siva why do they

> want to take him to Siva Loka........reply was that there was a

Rudraksha 10

> feet below where the man died

>

> This story is only one of many that cancles itself out if you

apply the

> logical process of of observable phenomenon.......the author is

clear in this story

> of how a murderer who killed Brahmans and his parents supposedly

went to Siva

> Loka because he died in the area of a Holy Rudraksha

Bead........this story

> is a false story and didnt happen by logic alone unless there are

some rules

> that I dont know about entering Siva Loka.........you dont get the

ultimate

> reward after a life of unspeakable crimes simply because you die

in the area of a

> Holy Rudraksha Bead

>

> This is the age of accountability and if you kill a Brahmin today

and act in

> the same manner as the man in this story you go to jail and face

the death

> penalty.......the person does not go to Siva Loka

>

> As you menitioned I have also made reference to the Padma Purana

in another

> message regarding wearing the 7 Mukhi Goddess MahaLakshmi

Rudraksha forgiveing

> the sins of Brahmanicide or killing Brahmins......here again is a

book that

> mentions all the sins that can be forgiven in the society from

wearing Rudraksha

> Beads......simply isnt so.......by mentioning the crimes the beads

would

> forgive means that these crimes were such a problem in the society

at the time

> that something had to be done to relieve their continued negative

effects on the

> nation in general

>

> Today if you commit the crimes mentioned in the Padma Purana the

Judge does

> not forgive you because you wear Rudraksha Beads........I know of

no court in

> the world that gives out attonement of wearing Rudraksha beads as

restitution

> for killing people.......or stealing from others ........or

killing

> women...........violateing the teachers wife.......or cheating in

money transactions

>

> Point being made another difficult issue to tackle is that India

has been

> conquered numerous times.........in the time of the British Rule

the British East

> Indian Company went so far as to hire a German to re write some of

Indias

> most important books........question is who has the list of the

books that were

> tampered with and are we reading the transliterations of these

books

> now........I dont know however the Sadhakas on Kauai may have the

answer to this

> question

>

> I dont know where you got the idea that Garlic can produce

Testosterone in

> men.......its not in any book I have read in the eastern or

western world and if

> you go to any health food store they will be able to tell you that

garlic

> helps with blood problems among other things

>

> I also told you about the different types of onions.......what was

supposed

> to be read in the message is that there are different subspecies

of onions that

> produce different effects on t he body..........from purple onions

that help

> the heart to yellow onions that can actually cause heart burn

>

> What is true and what is not true in the Puranas is up to the

individual

> reading and how much knowledge they have regarding interpreatation

and

> logic.........you have to go with what you believe is true and

listen to your

> intuition...........In these messages I am comeing forward in a

public forum and going

> with what I believe to be true in general logical reasonable

terms.........this

> may not be the same truth for you as we each have to find our own

way in this

> lifetime.............I certainly have been wrong before however

again the

> traps of maya and mara are many and we dont know if or how many of

the Holy Books

> had been changed with additions or deletions before we are able to

read

> them.........The Sadhakas at Kauai Monestary in Hawaii know more

about this and have

> recorded some of it in a timetable of Indias History

>

> hope this helps to clarify

>

> Wishing you and Family the Best

>

> Thanks and Take Care

>

> DD

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Dear Satyadharma Ji

 

Thanks for reply.............if you read the last part of your message it

states that garlic can cause increase semen and urge for sex in men........this

is not correct as testosterone produced in body from foods like meat increase

semen and urge for sex in men.....Ashwaganda and Shilajit and natural Vitamin E

and Ginseng combineations also work to help those that need and increase in

semen and who wish to have familiy..............garlic does not have anything

to do with produceing testosterone in the human body or semen or the urge for

sex in men........that is the point I was trying to make......it is not used

scientifically for this purpose nor is it biologically possible for garlic to

act in this manner in the human body.......garlic protects the heart and blood

 

If you can find a medical journal or an article or any scientific literature

to the contrary then I would be happy to look at this

 

Thanks

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/26/2005 7:54:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,

satyadharma writes:

 

>

>

> Dear DharmaDev Ji

>

> Thank you for the reply. I do want to acknowledge that it is a fact

> that Puranas and other scriptures have been altered, that is stated

> by even prominent Acharyas. I have some further comments to what you

> wrote, but today is celebrating Sri Krishna Janmasthami, so I will

> not have time today to write a detailed reply until monday.

>

> As for garlic, I did not say anywhere it is increasing testosterone.

> I was giving the information from different ayurvedic physicians who

> are explaining its effect on the body and mind according to

> Ayurvedic knowledge and experience.

>

> Thanking you,

>

> Satyadharma

>

> ,

> AumShiningLotus@a... wrote:

> >Dear Satyadharma Ji

> >

> >Objective observations of certain mistruths found in some of the

> Holy

> >Books....... as they apply to this age............ would take the

> form of observable

> >phenomenon read in the Holy Books themselves.........you can ask

> any Hindu

> >Priest in any Temple and one of the most important understandings

> for todays

> >Hindu is that all the mentions in the Holy Books do not apply to

> todays age

> >

> >One of the reasons for this is that some of the Laws and Rules in

> the Holy

> >Books may have been changed to fit the societies needs at the time

> in order to

> >maintain law and order and control a population........for example

> the Bible in

> >the Christian world has been changed so many times nobody really

> knows what

> >was in the first book as the Popes over the years changed the

> information in

> >the Bible according to their needs of the time

> >

> >In the History of India for example the authors of the Holy Books

> at the time

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dharmadev Ji,

 

Yes, I know what I wrote... I did not equate garlic with

testosterone increase.... Increasing semen is not dependent on

increasing testosterone, that is a misconception... Among

practitioners of Auryvedic medicine, garlic is held in high regard

as a vajikarana (aphrodisiac) and for its ability to increase

semen... The following is an excerpt from Dr. Vasant Lad and Dr

David Frawley's book "Yoga of Herbs":

 

GARLIC is a powerful rejuvenative herb. It is a rasayana for vata,

and also, to a lesser degree, for Kapha, for the bone and nerve

tissue. It also is a powerful detoxifier and is good for chronic or

periodic (Vata) fevers. It cleanses Ama and Kapha from the blood and

lymphatics. Yet its heating attribute can aggravate the blood and

cause or aggravate bleeding.

 

Its quality is tamasic. Garlic can increase dullness of mind while,

on the other hand, may increase "groundedness." It increases semen

but also has an irritant effect upon the reproductive organs. So

while good as a medicine, garlic may not be a good common-usage herb

for those practicing yoga.

 

Best,

 

Satyadharma

 

,

AumShiningLotus@a... wrote:

> Dear Satyadharma Ji

>

> Thanks for reply.............if you read the last part of your

message it

> states that garlic can cause increase semen and urge for sex in

men........this

> is not correct as testosterone produced in body from foods like

meat increase

> semen and urge for sex in men.....Ashwaganda and Shilajit and

natural Vitamin E

> and Ginseng combineations also work to help those that need and

increase in

> semen and who wish to have familiy..............garlic does not

have anything

> to do with produceing testosterone in the human body or semen or

the urge for

> sex in men........that is the point I was trying to make......it

is not used

> scientifically for this purpose nor is it biologically possible

for garlic to

> act in this manner in the human body.......garlic protects the

heart and blood

>

> If you can find a medical journal or an article or any scientific

literature

> to the contrary then I would be happy to look at this

>

> Thanks

>

> DD

>

> In a message dated 8/26/2005 7:54:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> satyadharma@g... writes:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear DharmaDev Ji

> >

> > Thank you for the reply. I do want to acknowledge that it is a

fact

> > that Puranas and other scriptures have been altered, that is

stated

> > by even prominent Acharyas. I have some further comments to what

you

> > wrote, but today is celebrating Sri Krishna Janmasthami, so I

will

> > not have time today to write a detailed reply until monday.

> >

> > As for garlic, I did not say anywhere it is increasing

testosterone.

> > I was giving the information from different ayurvedic physicians

who

> > are explaining its effect on the body and mind according to

> > Ayurvedic knowledge and experience.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> >

> > Satyadharma

> >

> > ,

> > AumShiningLotus@a... wrote:

> > >Dear Satyadharma Ji

> > >

> > >Objective observations of certain mistruths found in some of

the

> > Holy

> > >Books....... as they apply to this age............ would take

the

> > form of observable

> > >phenomenon read in the Holy Books themselves.........you can

ask

> > any Hindu

> > >Priest in any Temple and one of the most important

understandings

> > for todays

> > >Hindu is that all the mentions in the Holy Books do not apply

to

> > todays age

> > >

> > >One of the reasons for this is that some of the Laws and Rules

in

> > the Holy

> > >Books may have been changed to fit the societies needs at the

time

> > in order to

> > >maintain law and order and control a population........for

example

> > the Bible in

> > >the Christian world has been changed so many times nobody

really

> > knows what

> > >was in the first book as the Popes over the years changed the

> > information in

> > >the Bible according to their needs of the time

> > >

> > >In the History of India for example the authors of the Holy

Books

> > at the time

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear Satyadharma Ji

 

yes have same book here on Yoga of Herbs and is simply a matter of my not

agreeing with Dr David Frawly and Dr Ladd on this specific issue.....on page 120

it states that it works on all tissues - elements.....so in this context if

they are going to include the entire body then again I would have to not agree

with them.......they say it can increase dullness of mind........when you read

things like this you wonder if all Italian nation is dull minded due to thier

daily use of garlic as a nation......this is not true......some of the

greatest minds came from Italy......and then again if you look at this statement

again maybe it is the dull minded person who should be careful not to take

garlic

as it will increase their dullness...........it would really be nice if a

person could understand exactly what they are trying to say........I know they

are

listing all the possibles in the book however this is simply a matter of my

not agreeing with some of what they have written however I can see where you

have found the information so I understand your message and thank you for your

reply

 

Wishing you and Family the Best

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/26/2005 6:34:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

satyadharma writes:

 

>

>

> Dear Dharmadev Ji,

>

> Yes, I know what I wrote... I did not equate garlic with

> testosterone increase.... Increasing semen is not dependent on

> increasing testosterone, that is a misconception... Among

> practitioners of Auryvedic medicine, garlic is held in high regard

> as a vajikarana (aphrodisiac) and for its ability to increase

> semen... The following is an excerpt from Dr. Vasant Lad and Dr

> David Frawley's book "Yoga of Herbs":

>

> GARLIC is a powerful rejuvenative herb. It is a rasayana for vata,

> and also, to a lesser degree, for Kapha, for the bone and nerve

> tissue. It also is a powerful detoxifier and is good for chronic or

> periodic (Vata) fevers. It cleanses Ama and Kapha from the blood and

> lymphatics. Yet its heating attribute can aggravate the blood and

> cause or aggravate bleeding.

>

> Its quality is tamasic. Garlic can increase dullness of mind while,

> on the other hand, may increase "groundedness." It increases semen

> but also has an irritant effect upon the reproductive organs. So

> while good as a medicine, garlic may not be a good common-usage herb

> for those practicing yoga.

>

> Best,

>

> Satyadharma

>

> ,

> AumShiningLotus@a... wrote:

> >Dear Satyadharma Ji

> >

> >Thanks for reply.............if you read the last part of your

> message it

> >states that garlic can cause increase semen and urge for sex in

> men........this

> >is not correct as testosterone produced in body from foods like

> meat increase

> >semen and urge for sex in men.....Ashwaganda and Shilajit and

> natural Vitamin E

> >and Ginseng combineations also work to help those that need and

> increase in

> >semen and who wish to have familiy..............garlic does not

> have anything

> >to do with produceing testosterone in the human body or semen or

> the urge for

> >sex in men........that is the point I was trying to make......it

> is not used

> >scientifically for this purpose nor is it biologically possible

> for garlic to

> >act in this manner in the human body.......garlic protects the

> heart and blood

> >

> >If you can find a medical journal or an article or any scientific

> literature

> >to the contrary then I would be happy to look at this

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >DD

> >

> >In a message dated 8/26/2005 7:54:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> >satyadharma@g... writes:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >>Dear DharmaDev Ji

> >>

> >>Thank you for the reply. I do want to acknowledge that it is a

> fact

> >>that Puranas and other scriptures have been altered, that is

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Bhaktradj Ji

 

This is a real difficult message to let through......the stories are endless

with these negative dramas.....................can you tell us where exactly

did you find this difficult to believe story about cutting up the cow and the

resulting drama...what book is this in and what page is this on

 

and then can you tell us what is the point of this story.......how does a

part of a cut up cow tell people who are following the spiritual path not to eat

onion and garlic and red beans and carrots.............what if it was the

opposite and the Almighty God was showing people what they were supposed to be

eating as part of the successful Yajna .......... people who follow the path of

self realization are eating anything that will keep them alive...take a walk in

the countryside of India today and meet with all the farmers and tribal

people who have most nothing to eat on any given day and you will find them

simply

trying to exist......I gave up on these kinds of stories many years ago as

they have double interpretation and serve only to confuse most people

 

Thanks for the example though..........maybe we could tell Elephant and ant

stories from now on.......as they make more sense in this age

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/27/2005 5:57:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

bhaktas2 writes:

 

>

>

> Dear members,

>

> On the subject of union and garlic the following contribution.

>

> Sadhu, Guru and Shastra explain that in this material world there are three

> modes or gunas which rule this platform, tamaguna, the mode of ignorance;

> rajaguna, the mode of pasion and satyaguna or goodness. All foodstuffs are

also

> placed in one of these modes. Foodstufs in Ignorance are eg meat, fish

> (mostly feed on stool en dead organisms), eggs (unclean because it actually a

> menstruation product), mushrooms (fungus), etc.Foodstufs in passion are eg

Citric

> acid, verry hot peppers, etc. Foodstuffs in satvic are eg. milk and milk

> products, fruits, grains, vegetables, nuts etc..

>

> When one wants to progress on the path of selfrealisation we should avoid

> foodstuffs placed in the modes of pasion and ignorance. We should only accept

> foodstuffs in the mode of goodness. It is for this reason that the Veda

> perscribes a lacto-vegetarian diet as best suited for humans from the point of

few

> of spiritual upliftment. Although this is the main reasons that honest

> seekers should follow these rules and regulations it can also be deducted from

> scientific proof that it is better for our phisical and mental wellbeing. The

> saying "You are what you eat" means that that food that we take will be

> reflected in our live through our contiousness. The respective mode of the

foodstuff

> influence our contiousness in that direction. I don't want to elaborate more

> and hope that the point is somewhat understood.

>

> The point of accepting the truth from the proper authorities I've

> elaborately explained in my writings to this group on the question "Who is The

> Supreme". In all subject matters it is crusial to have the proper authoritive

> guidance. This is not so difficult to accept as we practise this already in

our day

> to day lives. I already gave the example of learnig to drive a car but it

> goes actually for what ever we learn. These are basic rules which we willingly

> or unwillingly have to accept if we are to come to a ballanced and proper few

> of actual reality.

>

> To come to the real truth we have to take help from Ghranta Bhagavat (God

> manifest as Shastra) under the guidance of a Bhakta Bhagavat (God manifest as

> the bonafide Guru). I already explained in earlier message the importance of

> purity and authenticity of both the book and the selfrealised guru who can

> truely guide us. We can never ever in a billion livetimes hope to ever even

> approach from afar the absolute truth on whatever subject matter on the

account

> of our own conditioned mind and limited intelligence.

>

> Although it is a fact that in this age of Kali there are manny distorted

> scriptures distributed but this doed not mean that the real thing is not there

> just because one has not come across it or is unable to recoqnise it.

>

> Comming back to the point of why union and garlic are considered tamasic

> foodstuffs we have to go back to the ancient Vedic scriptures. The authentic

> Sadhu's and Shastras tell the following story about the origin of garlic and

> union. Although it may seem fantastic to some please think of all the

> unbelivable things we can witness today in the world as the tiny banyan seed

which

> brings forth the enormes tree. If we were not able to witness it we would have

> never belived it. Shastras discribe manny things that we just cannot witness

> in our present condition but again this doed not mean that only because of

> that it is imposible. Simply to asume that would be an expression of

arrogance.

> In the middle ages the europeans had no idea that infections were caused by

> tiny bacteria because they could not detect them by there limmited means of

> doing so at the time. This did not mean however that the bacteria were

> nonexistant. At the same time the accepted relative truth was that the earth

was

> flat. Anyone who beged to differ was hung. The bonafide Vedas discribed and

> still does all these truths properly. The final truths which were correct

> then, are still correct now and will be so in the future. Real truths are

> independant of time and circumstance and unchangeable, only relative truths

have

> this defect. Real truths never become stail. They are although ancient, ever

> fresh. These truths are revealed to us through bonafide shastras by bonafide,

> completely selfrealised gurus who hold the key to unlock the gems locked

> inside them.

>

> In Satya yuga there was a brahmin who was qualified and able to perform the

> Gomedha yanja. During this yanja an old cow was cut in to pieces and

> sacrifced in the fire. At the end of the sacrifice a young cow would come out

as a

> sign that the Gomedha yanja was done properly and sucesfull. Nowadays the

> socalled brahmins are not able to perform these kinds of yanja's becaus they

lack

> the power and are therfore also not allowed to perform them.

>

> As a prepration for the yanja the old cow was cut into pieces and left to be

> offered in the sacrificial fire. At that particular time the wife of the

> rishi was pregnant and had an insatiable craving (as pregnant women are known

to

> have) for eating meat. She therefore took a piece of the sacrifice. Being a

> true brahmini though when she was in her cottage she knew that her husband

> would find her out because he would be able to see the true whereabouts of the

> missing piece of the sacrifice in his samadhi meditation (this were ordinary

> powers for general brahmins at that time). Fearing his wreat she burried the

> piece of meat with bone and all. When the rishi started the yajna including

> the whole body of the cow in his meditation during the ceremony, from the

> burried piece of cow manifested not only union and garlic but also read beans

and

> carrots.

>

> Because of this origin these foodstuffs are rejected by all who properly

> follow the path of selfreliasation.

>

> Humbly remaing with kind regards,

>

> Bhaktradj

>

> .

>

> AumShiningLotus wrote:

> Dear Satyadharma Ji

>

> yes have same book here on Yoga of Herbs and is simply a matter of my not

> agreeing with Dr David Frawly and Dr Ladd on this specific issue.....on page

> 120

> it states that it works on all tissues - elements.....so in this context if

> they are going to include the entire body then again I would have to not

> agree

> with them.......they say it can increase dullness of mind........when you

> read

> things like this you wonder if all Italian nation is dull minded due to

> thier

> daily use of garlic as a nation......this is not true......some of the

> greatest minds came from Italy......and then again if you look at this

> statement

> again maybe it is the dull minded person who should be careful not to take

> garlic

> as it will increase their dullness...........it would really be nice if a

> person could understand exactly what they are trying to say........I know

> they are

> listing all the possibles in the book however this is simply a matter of my

> not agreeing with some of what they have written however I can see where you

>

> have found the information so I understand your message and thank you for

> your

> reply

>

> Wishing you and Family the Best

>

> DD

>

> In a message dated 8/26/2005 6:34:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> satyadharma writes:

>

> >

> >

> >Dear Dharmadev Ji,

> >

> >Yes, I know what I wrote... I did not equate garlic with

> >testosterone increase.... Increasing semen is not dependent on

> >increasing testosterone, that is a misconception... Among

> >practitioners of Auryvedic medicine, garlic is held in high regard

> >as a vajikarana (aphrodisiac) and for its ability to increase

> >semen... The following is an excerpt from Dr. Vasant Lad and Dr

> >David Frawley's book "Yoga of Herbs":

> >

> >GARLIC is a powerful rejuvenative herb. It is a rasayana for vata,

> >and also, to a lesser degree, for Kapha, for the bone and nerve

> >tissue. It also is a powerful detoxifier and is good for chronic or

> >periodic (Vata) fevers. It cleanses Ama and Kapha from the blood and

> >lymphatics. Yet its heating attribute can aggravate the blood and

> >cause or aggravate bleeding.

> >

> >Its quality is tamasic. Garlic can increase dullness of mind while,

> >on the other hand, may increase "groundedness." It increases semen

> >but also has an irritant effect upon the reproductive organs. So

> >while good as a medicine, garlic may not be a good common-usage herb

> >for those practicing yoga.

> >

> >Best,

> >

> >Satyadharma

> >

> >,

> >AumShiningLotus@a... wrote:

> >>Dear Satyadharma Ji

> >>

> >>Thanks for reply.............if you read the last part of your

> >message it

> >>states that garlic can cause increase semen and urge for sex in

> >men........this

> >>is not correct as testosterone produced in body from foods like

> >meat increase

> >>semen and urge for sex in men.....Ashwaganda and Shilajit and

> >natural Vitamin E

> >>and Ginseng combineations also work to help those that need and

> >increase in

> >>semen and who wish to have familiy..............garlic does not

> >have anything

> >>to do with produceing testosterone in the human body or semen or

> >the urge for

> >>sex in men........that is the point I was trying to make......it

> >is not used

> >>scientifically for this purpose nor is it biologically possible

> >for garlic to

> >>act in this manner in the human body.......garlic protects the

> >heart and blood

> >>

> >>If you can find a medical journal or an article or any scientific

> >literature

> >>to the contrary then I would be happy to look at this

> >>

> >>Thanks

> >>

> >>DD

> >>

> >>In a message dated 8/26/2005 7:54:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> >>satyadharma@g... writes:

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Dear DharmaDev Ji

> >>>

> >>>Thank you for the reply. I do want to acknowledge that it is a

> >fact

> >>>that Puranas and other scriptures have been altered, that is

> >

>

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Dear Friends

 

I know this is not about Rudraksha however would someone else like to step in

here and let Bhaktradj Ji know that birds dont have menstrual

cycles............goodness gracious any grade school biology student knows

this.....there

must be some lacto veg person out there that can explain the difference between

the treatment of a fertilized egg and an egg that has not been fertilized and

how it applies to the diet....................and all fish do not eat stool and

dead organizms...........the majority of fish survive only on live

organisms.........if a person brought these...........earth is flat

ideas.............

up in a Biology Class in a high school or at a meeting of a National Zoo and

Aquarium Association Conference I am sure they would be escorted out of the

building and over to the 10th grade Biology classroom to start over regarding

how

our world is designed

 

It is to confuseing for anyone to try and understand messages that contain

Truths combined with stories and statistics that make no sense......... all in

order to make a point that is based on the same confuseing information

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/27/2005 5:57:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

bhaktas2 writes:

 

>

>

> Dear members,

>

> On the subject of union and garlic the following contribution.

>

> Sadhu, Guru and Shastra explain that in this material world there are three

> modes or gunas which rule this platform, tamaguna, the mode of ignorance;

> rajaguna, the mode of pasion and satyaguna or goodness. All foodstuffs are

also

> placed in one of these modes. Foodstufs in Ignorance are eg meat, fish

> (mostly feed on stool en dead organisms), eggs (unclean because it actually a

> menstruation product), mushrooms (fungus), etc.Foodstufs in passion are eg

Citric

> acid, verry hot peppers, etc. Foodstuffs in satvic are eg. milk and milk

> products, fruits, grains, vegetables, nuts etc..

>

> When one wants to progress on the path of selfrealisation we should avoid

> foodstuffs placed in the modes of pasion and ignorance. We should only accept

> foodstuffs in the mode of goodness. It is for this reason that the Veda

> perscribes a lacto-vegetarian diet as best suited for humans from the point of

few

> of spiritual upliftment. Although this is the main reasons that honest

> seekers should follow these rules and regulations it can also be deducted from

> scientific proof that it is better for our phisical and mental wellbeing. The

> saying "You are what you eat" means that that food that we take will be

> reflected in our live through our contiousness. The respective mode of the

foodstuff

> influence our contiousness in that direction. I don't want to elaborate more

> and hope that the point is somewhat understood.

>

> The point of accepting the truth from the proper authorities I've

> elaborately explained in my writings to this group on the question "Who is The

> Supreme". In all subject matters it is crusial to have the proper authoritive

> guidance. This is not so difficult to accept as we practise this already in

our day

> to day lives. I already gave the example of learnig to drive a car but it

> goes actually for what ever we learn. These are basic rules which we willingly

> or unwillingly have to accept if we are to come to a ballanced and proper few

> of actual reality.

>

> To come to the real truth we have to take help from Ghranta Bhagavat (God

> manifest as Shastra) under the guidance of a Bhakta Bhagavat (God manifest as

> the bonafide Guru). I already explained in earlier message the importance of

> purity and authenticity of both the book and the selfrealised guru who can

> truely guide us. We can never ever in a billion livetimes hope to ever even

> approach from afar the absolute truth on whatever subject matter on the

account

> of our own conditioned mind and limited intelligence.

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear members,

 

On the subject of union and garlic the following contribution.

 

Sadhu, Guru and Shastra explain that in this material world there are three

modes or gunas which rule this platform, tamaguna, the mode of ignorance;

rajaguna, the mode of pasion and satyaguna or goodness. All foodstuffs are also

placed in one of these modes. Foodstufs in Ignorance are eg meat, fish (mostly

feed on stool en dead organisms), eggs (unclean because it actually a

menstruation product), mushrooms (fungus), etc.Foodstufs in passion are eg

Citric acid, verry hot peppers, etc. Foodstuffs in satvic are eg. milk and milk

products, fruits, grains, vegetables, nuts etc..

 

When one wants to progress on the path of selfrealisation we should avoid

foodstuffs placed in the modes of pasion and ignorance. We should only accept

foodstuffs in the mode of goodness. It is for this reason that the Veda

perscribes a lacto-vegetarian diet as best suited for humans from the point of

few of spiritual upliftment. Although this is the main reasons that honest

seekers should follow these rules and regulations it can also be deducted from

scientific proof that it is better for our phisical and mental wellbeing. The

saying "You are what you eat" means that that food that we take will be

reflected in our live through our contiousness. The respective mode of the

foodstuff influence our contiousness in that direction. I don't want to

elaborate more and hope that the point is somewhat understood.

 

The point of accepting the truth from the proper authorities I've elaborately

explained in my writings to this group on the question "Who is The Supreme". In

all subject matters it is crusial to have the proper authoritive guidance. This

is not so difficult to accept as we practise this already in our day to day

lives. I already gave the example of learnig to drive a car but it goes actually

for what ever we learn. These are basic rules which we willingly or unwillingly

have to accept if we are to come to a ballanced and proper few of actual

reality.

 

To come to the real truth we have to take help from Ghranta Bhagavat (God

manifest as Shastra) under the guidance of a Bhakta Bhagavat (God manifest as

the bonafide Guru). I already explained in earlier message the importance of

purity and authenticity of both the book and the selfrealised guru who can

truely guide us. We can never ever in a billion livetimes hope to ever even

approach from afar the absolute truth on whatever subject matter on the account

of our own conditioned mind and limited intelligence.

 

Although it is a fact that in this age of Kali there are manny distorted

scriptures distributed but this doed not mean that the real thing is not there

just because one has not come across it or is unable to recoqnise it.

 

Comming back to the point of why union and garlic are considered tamasic

foodstuffs we have to go back to the ancient Vedic scriptures. The authentic

Sadhu's and Shastras tell the following story about the origin of garlic and

union. Although it may seem fantastic to some please think of all the

unbelivable things we can witness today in the world as the tiny banyan seed

which brings forth the enormes tree. If we were not able to witness it we would

have never belived it. Shastras discribe manny things that we just cannot

witness in our present condition but again this doed not mean that only because

of that it is imposible. Simply to asume that would be an expression of

arrogance. In the middle ages the europeans had no idea that infections were

caused by tiny bacteria because they could not detect them by there limmited

means of doing so at the time. This did not mean however that the bacteria were

nonexistant. At the same time the accepted relative truth was that the earth was

flat. Anyone who beged to differ was hung. The bonafide Vedas discribed and

still does all these truths properly. The final truths which were correct then,

are still correct now and will be so in the future. Real truths are independant

of time and circumstance and unchangeable, only relative truths have this

defect. Real truths never become stail. They are although ancient, ever fresh.

These truths are revealed to us through bonafide shastras by bonafide,

completely selfrealised gurus who hold the key to unlock the gems locked inside

them.

 

In Satya yuga there was a brahmin who was qualified and able to perform the

Gomedha yanja. During this yanja an old cow was cut in to pieces and sacrifced

in the fire. At the end of the sacrifice a young cow would come out as a sign

that the Gomedha yanja was done properly and sucesfull. Nowadays the socalled

brahmins are not able to perform these kinds of yanja's becaus they lack the

power and are therfore also not allowed to perform them.

 

As a prepration for the yanja the old cow was cut into pieces and left to be

offered in the sacrificial fire. At that particular time the wife of the rishi

was pregnant and had an insatiable craving (as pregnant women are known to have)

for eating meat. She therefore took a piece of the sacrifice. Being a true

brahmini though when she was in her cottage she knew that her husband would find

her out because he would be able to see the true whereabouts of the missing

piece of the sacrifice in his samadhi meditation (this were ordinary powers for

general brahmins at that time). Fearing his wreat she burried the piece of meat

with bone and all. When the rishi started the yajna including the whole body of

the cow in his meditation during the ceremony, from the burried piece of cow

manifested not only union and garlic but also read beans and carrots.

 

Because of this origin these foodstuffs are rejected by all who properly follow

the path of selfreliasation.

 

Humbly remaing with kind regards,

 

Bhaktradj

 

..

 

AumShiningLotus wrote:

Dear Satyadharma Ji

 

yes have same book here on Yoga of Herbs and is simply a matter of my not

agreeing with Dr David Frawly and Dr Ladd on this specific issue.....on page 120

it states that it works on all tissues - elements.....so in this context if

they are going to include the entire body then again I would have to not agree

with them.......they say it can increase dullness of mind........when you read

things like this you wonder if all Italian nation is dull minded due to thier

daily use of garlic as a nation......this is not true......some of the

greatest minds came from Italy......and then again if you look at this statement

again maybe it is the dull minded person who should be careful not to take

garlic

as it will increase their dullness...........it would really be nice if a

person could understand exactly what they are trying to say........I know they

are

listing all the possibles in the book however this is simply a matter of my

not agreeing with some of what they have written however I can see where you

have found the information so I understand your message and thank you for your

reply

 

Wishing you and Family the Best

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/26/2005 6:34:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

satyadharma writes:

 

>

>

> Dear Dharmadev Ji,

>

> Yes, I know what I wrote... I did not equate garlic with

> testosterone increase.... Increasing semen is not dependent on

> increasing testosterone, that is a misconception... Among

> practitioners of Auryvedic medicine, garlic is held in high regard

> as a vajikarana (aphrodisiac) and for its ability to increase

> semen... The following is an excerpt from Dr. Vasant Lad and Dr

> David Frawley's book "Yoga of Herbs":

>

> GARLIC is a powerful rejuvenative herb. It is a rasayana for vata,

> and also, to a lesser degree, for Kapha, for the bone and nerve

> tissue. It also is a powerful detoxifier and is good for chronic or

> periodic (Vata) fevers. It cleanses Ama and Kapha from the blood and

> lymphatics. Yet its heating attribute can aggravate the blood and

> cause or aggravate bleeding.

>

> Its quality is tamasic. Garlic can increase dullness of mind while,

> on the other hand, may increase "groundedness." It increases semen

> but also has an irritant effect upon the reproductive organs. So

> while good as a medicine, garlic may not be a good common-usage herb

> for those practicing yoga.

>

> Best,

>

> Satyadharma

>

> ,

> AumShiningLotus@a... wrote:

> >Dear Satyadharma Ji

> >

> >Thanks for reply.............if you read the last part of your

> message it

> >states that garlic can cause increase semen and urge for sex in

> men........this

> >is not correct as testosterone produced in body from foods like

> meat increase

> >semen and urge for sex in men.....Ashwaganda and Shilajit and

> natural Vitamin E

> >and Ginseng combineations also work to help those that need and

> increase in

> >semen and who wish to have familiy..............garlic does not

> have anything

> >to do with produceing testosterone in the human body or semen or

> the urge for

> >sex in men........that is the point I was trying to make......it

> is not used

> >scientifically for this purpose nor is it biologically possible

> for garlic to

> >act in this manner in the human body.......garlic protects the

> heart and blood

> >

> >If you can find a medical journal or an article or any scientific

> literature

> >to the contrary then I would be happy to look at this

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >DD

> >

> >In a message dated 8/26/2005 7:54:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> >satyadharma@g... writes:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >>Dear DharmaDev Ji

> >>

> >>Thank you for the reply. I do want to acknowledge that it is a

> fact

> >>that Puranas and other scriptures have been altered, that is

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Respected Alan Ji

 

Namaskar and thank you for your read on this ............ is balanced as

always....... will try to get back to discussions on the Holy Rudraksha Beads

now

 

Dhanyavaad cha Pranams Mitra

 

DD

 

In a message dated 8/28/2005 8:17:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

source311 writes:

 

>

>

> Dear Dharma-Dev-ji and friends - this is an example of how dogma and blind

> belief distract people from a more truthful reality. While food certainly

> contributes to our consciousness - there are other far more important

> influences.... as my old Guru used to say - one gossip session is worth ten

> meat dinners.

>

> Additionally, the requirements for nutrition in today's world are far

> different than the world of thousands of years ago. The old outdated model

> no longer applies. Without the hindrance of negative belief systems, almost

>

> anything can be consumed without obstructing awareness. What we really

> consume is what we think and believe about what we eat. The actual food

> itself is far less significant.

>

> Blessings to all,

> Alan

>

> >AumShiningLotus

> >

> >

> >Re: RBSC : Re: Garlic and other foods

> >Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:27:54 EDT

> >

> >Dear Friends

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dharma-Dev-ji and friends - this is an example of how dogma and blind

belief distract people from a more truthful reality. While food certainly

contributes to our consciousness - there are other far more important

influences.... as my old Guru used to say - one gossip session is worth ten

meat dinners.

 

Additionally, the requirements for nutrition in today's world are far

different than the world of thousands of years ago. The old outdated model

no longer applies. Without the hindrance of negative belief systems, almost

anything can be consumed without obstructing awareness. What we really

consume is what we think and believe about what we eat. The actual food

itself is far less significant.

 

Blessings to all,

Alan

 

>AumShiningLotus

>

>

>Re: RBSC : Re: Garlic and other foods

>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:27:54 EDT

>

>Dear Friends

>

>I know this is not about Rudraksha however would someone else like to step

>in

>here and let Bhaktradj Ji know that birds dont have menstrual

>cycles............goodness gracious any grade school biology student knows

>this.....there

>must be some lacto veg person out there that can explain the difference

>between

>the treatment of a fertilized egg and an egg that has not been fertilized

>and

>how it applies to the diet....................and all fish do not eat stool

>and

>dead organizms...........the majority of fish survive only on live

>organisms.........if a person brought these...........earth is flat

>ideas.............

>up in a Biology Class in a high school or at a meeting of a National Zoo

>and

>Aquarium Association Conference I am sure they would be escorted out of

>the

>building and over to the 10th grade Biology classroom to start over

>regarding how

>our world is designed

>

>It is to confuseing for anyone to try and understand messages that contain

>Truths combined with stories and statistics that make no sense......... all

>in

>order to make a point that is based on the same confuseing information

>

>DD

>

>In a message dated 8/27/2005 5:57:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>bhaktas2 writes:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear members,

> >

> > On the subject of union and garlic the following contribution.

> >

> > Sadhu, Guru and Shastra explain that in this material world there are

>three

> > modes or gunas which rule this platform, tamaguna, the mode of

>ignorance;

> > rajaguna, the mode of pasion and satyaguna or goodness. All foodstuffs

>are also

> > placed in one of these modes. Foodstufs in Ignorance are eg meat, fish

> > (mostly feed on stool en dead organisms), eggs (unclean because it

>actually a

> > menstruation product), mushrooms (fungus), etc.Foodstufs in passion are

>eg Citric

> > acid, verry hot peppers, etc. Foodstuffs in satvic are eg. milk and milk

> > products, fruits, grains, vegetables, nuts etc..

> >

> > When one wants to progress on the path of selfrealisation we should

>avoid

> > foodstuffs placed in the modes of pasion and ignorance. We should only

>accept

> > foodstuffs in the mode of goodness. It is for this reason that the Veda

> > perscribes a lacto-vegetarian diet as best suited for humans from the

>point of few

> > of spiritual upliftment. Although this is the main reasons that honest

> > seekers should follow these rules and regulations it can also be

>deducted from

> > scientific proof that it is better for our phisical and mental

>wellbeing. The

> > saying "You are what you eat" means that that food that we take will be

> > reflected in our live through our contiousness. The respective mode of

>the foodstuff

> > influence our contiousness in that direction. I don't want to elaborate

>more

> > and hope that the point is somewhat understood.

> >

> > The point of accepting the truth from the proper authorities I've

> > elaborately explained in my writings to this group on the question "Who

>is The

> > Supreme". In all subject matters it is crusial to have the proper

>authoritive

> > guidance. This is not so difficult to accept as we practise this already

>in our day

> > to day lives. I already gave the example of learnig to drive a car but

>it

> > goes actually for what ever we learn. These are basic rules which we

>willingly

> > or unwillingly have to accept if we are to come to a ballanced and

>proper few

> > of actual reality.

> >

> > To come to the real truth we have to take help from Ghranta Bhagavat

>(God

> > manifest as Shastra) under the guidance of a Bhakta Bhagavat (God

>manifest as

> > the bonafide Guru). I already explained in earlier message the

>importance of

> > purity and authenticity of both the book and the selfrealised guru who

>can

> > truely guide us. We can never ever in a billion livetimes hope to ever

>even

> > approach from afar the absolute truth on whatever subject matter on the

>account

> > of our own conditioned mind and limited intelligence.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear friend DharmaDev-ji - always a joy to contribute. Wishing you all

happiness....

 

with love,

Alan

 

 

>AumShiningLotus

>

>

>Re: RBSC : Re: RBSC : Re: Garlic and other foods

>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:28:23 EDT

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>Dear Respected Alan Ji

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>Namaskar and thank you for your read on this ............ is balanced as

>always....... will try to get back to discussions on the Holy Rudraksha

>Beads now

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>Dhanyavaad cha Pranams Mitra

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>DD

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>In a message dated 8/28/2005 8:17:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>source311 writes:

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> > Dear Dharma-Dev-ji and friends - this is an example of how dogma and

>blind

> > belief distract people from a more truthful reality. While food

>certainly

> > contributes to our consciousness - there are other far more important

> > influences.... as my old Guru used to say - one gossip session is worth

>ten

> > meat dinners.

> >

> > Additionally, the requirements for nutrition in today's world are far

> > different than the world of thousands of years ago. The old outdated

>model

> > no longer applies. Without the hindrance of negative belief systems,

>almost

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> > anything can be consumed without obstructing awareness. What we really

> > consume is what we think and believe about what we eat. The actual food

> > itself is far less significant.

> >

> > Blessings to all,

> > Alan

> >

> > >AumShiningLotus

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> > >

> > >Re: RBSC : Re: Garlic and other foods

> > >Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:27:54 EDT

> > >

> > >Dear Friends

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Dear Dharmadevji and simonji

 

Humble pranams

I was away for quite a few months and now am happy to be back

 

When doing some study on rudraksha came across some very interesting

facts.................

 

The rudraksha bead can be used to identify whether the food we consume is good

gor our body or not.......

 

Basically there are two types of food as per our scriptures.......negative

pranic food.....which is bad for our prana and positive pranic food which is

good for our prana.......PRANA means Life force.............. the fuel that

keeps us going.......

 

Many many years ago Shiva devotees (Sidhars) as they were known in the southern

part of India used to get alms from devotees to eat or would roam around in the

forest and find something to eat apart from indulging in very powerful

meditation...........

 

In order to find before eating wether the food is ok for the body.........they

would hold a rudraksha mala.......very still and wait........... within a few

minutes(60-100 secs) the mala would start rotating............. and if the

rotation was clockwise then it is positive pranic food and if anti clockwise

then it is not good for us........... if swinging like a pendulm then it is

nuetral

 

My friends belive me it works every single time ................... You could do

so using your own malas............ and you would find that it swings anti

clockwise for Garlic,butter........... and clockwise for lemon,oranges,.........

and as a pendulm for tomatoes........................you could try it for all

kinds of stuff...............and it lo!..works like magic..............

 

what a beautiful tool shiva has given us ............... so go ahead and start

using the beads to its full potential...............................

Any feedback will be appreciated as I am always learning and there is no end to

the miracles of rudra and rudraksha...........

 

Vipin.K

 

 

AumShiningLotus wrote:Dear Satyadharma Ji

 

yes have same book here on Yoga of Herbs and is simply a matter of my not

agreeing with Dr David Frawly and Dr Ladd on this specific issue.....on page 120

it states that it works on all tissues - elements.....so in this context if

they are going to include the entire body then again I would have to not agree

with them.......they say it can increase dullness of mind........when you read

things like this you wonder if all Italian nation is dull minded due to thier

daily use of garlic as a nation......this is not true......some of the

greatest minds came from Italy......and then again if you look at this statement

again maybe it is the dull minded person who should be careful not to take

garlic..........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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