Guest guest Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 Hi Richard, Can you please tell us what planet Padparadscha sapphires generally belong to, I haven't seen much in terms of write ups of these gems. Thanks Raja Richard Shaw Brown wrote: > Sri Rajinderji, > > This is a repeat I hope it answers your question... > > Raaj Roop Tank showed me some of his personal valuable gems, but at > that time (1974) he didn't have his special collection together yet. > He told me about a jeweler friend in Ajmer who had a complete > collection of Asta Moti (Naga mani, oyster pearl, Bamboo pearl, boar > head pearl, etc.). I never got to meet that man but now I am putting > together my own collection of Asta moti. I have bamboo pearl > (Venu-mani), naga mani, elephant pearl (Gaja mani), boar head pearl > (Varaha mani), fish head pearl (Matsya Mani), etc. > etc. The only one that may prove ellusive is the Sky or Cloud pearl, > but 7 out of 8 is a pretty good museum. > > Y/s, > Richard > > --- Rajinder Singh Gill <rajinder.gill wrote: > > > Hi Richard Jee, > > > > Many thanks for the write up, I love the stories of some of your > > experiences, I have read most of them on your website.......... > > > > This is exactly what Harish Johari said about 'Pukraj', most of the > > stones sold in India are actually cheap yellow citrine. > > > > Also can you provide any info on the Raj Roop Tank collection, Johari > > > > says that he had some of the rarest gems in existence, were you > > actually > > fortunate enough to see any of them? > > > > My appologies for draining your time with questions, but I think we > > are > > quite fortunate to have a gem expert on the forum, with a whole host > > of > > life experience......... > > Thanks > > > > Respectfully > > Rajinder > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw Brown wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang, > > > > > > Sri Rajinderji has made a good point. In Sanskrit, "Pushparaag" > > always > > > referred to yellow sapphire. The Hindi word, "Pukh raaj" is also > > > supposed to mean yellow sapphire, and that is how it is known in > > the > > > trade, such as in Jaipur or Kambaat. But somehow it has become > > confused > > > with Yellow Topaz, which is what most people in India use for > > Jupiter. > > > > > > In 1974, after spending 7 years learning Sanskrit, my karma drove > > me > > > from Vrindavan to Hyderabad. A "secret" Ruby mine had been > > uncovered, > > > it was being developed with the Hyderabad family by my old > > California > > > friend whom I hadn't seen in 7 years (the ashram where I spent 7 > > years > > > in Vrindavan had NO westerners but me. No one spoke English except > > the > > > Guru. So I had to learn Bengali to converse in the ashram, and also > > > learn Hindi to converse OUTside the ashram, as well as learn > > Sanskrit > > > so I could enter the heart of the mysteries. Anyway I'm telling > > this > > > just to entertain you. > > > > > > At the mine, outside Hyderabad, AP, I was deputed to Bombay with 5 > > KG > > > of rough rubies and told to enter the market using my Hindi and > > sell > > > the rough. That is another story. It was then that I started buying > > > Hindi and English books on gems, and the few books there were all > > spoke > > > about what is (since 1982) known as "Planetary Gemology". One book > > was > > > named "Rasi-or-ratna", another book was Graha-gochar jyotish, and > > (in > > > Eng., "The occult powers of gems" by Scherman, and there was one > > > author, late Raaj Roop Tank of Jaipur, that also explained > > Planetary > > > Gemology basics in his book named "Indian Gemology" published in > > 1971. > > > > > > In 1974 I went to Jaipur to study under Sri Raaj Roop Tank and was > > able > > > to do so. He was very kind and I could say a lot about that, but > > > keeping to the point, I asked him why yellow corundum was called > > "Pukh > > > raaj" when it is always called "Pushparaag" in all the Sanskrit > > texts. > > > He told me that "Pukh raaj" was Hindi name, representing - what > > should > > > be yellow sapphire - but in fact almost 90% of common Indian only > > ever > > > heard of the name "Pukh Raaj" to mean the yellow gem, the Guru > > ratna, > > > which in fact they are all using "yellow topaz" because yellow > > sapphire > > > comes from outside India, and is very costly. And it had become so > > > ingrained that even in Jaipur market when ever they are selling > > yellow > > > topaz (and they are always selling topaz) that it was called as > > Pukh > > > Raaj and this is how the Indians called it. > > > > > > So I asked how does the common man know about yellow sapphire? He > > said > > > in fact the people don't know the difference... it's all topaz, and > > > it's called "Pukh Raaj" and that's life in India. > > > > > > He also explained that gems needed to be flawless to work good, and > > > yellow corundum in flawless quality could cost a small fortune if > > not a > > > big one. So it was simply cost prohibitive in India (then) and > > yellow > > > topaz was in fact being sold to the public as "Pukh Raaj. Common > > Indian > > > has never heard the word "Pushaparaaj" unless they would have > > studied > > > gemology IN Sanskrit... which is hardly the case. > > > > > > What the Bombay, Jaipur, Kambaat markets all have in common is > > selling > > > yellow topaz to the public as the gem for Jupiter named Pukh Raaj. > > And > > > this is the fact of he matter. Sri Tank ji told me that only the > > poor > > > people believed in Planetary Gemology, and yellow sapphire is VERY > > > expensive, so golden topaz had become "Pukh Raaj" or Guru Ratna. He > > > said the rich Indian's who could easily afford the best of gems, > > they > > > were hardly interested. So it is with the masses of India that it > > is > > > normal to sell topaz as yellow sapphire named in Hindi as Pukh > > Raaj. > > > > > > So in common usage the truth has become nontruth. In fact Pukh Raaj > > is > > > Hindi, denoting the mega expensive yellow sapphire that no common > > > Indian (or Westerner) has ever heard of, but in fact BEING yellow > > > topaz. There is no lie because the common man has never heard of > > Yellow > > > Sapphire, and being poor they get what then can afford, i.e. yellow > > > topaz. There is no harm in selling Topaz for Jupiter and that's the > > > market reality, at least in 1974. > > > > > > Personally from every Indian (in India) who has shown me their > > "Guru > > > Ratna" I have never once seen precious yellow sapphire, it's always > > > topaz (at best) or citrine quartz (at worst). Well, there are a few > > > exceptions, such as my Indian clients who are well off. > > > > > > Of course this is based on my limited experience... > > > > > > Sukriya!!! > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG > > > Designer & Gemologist > > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com > > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com > > > http://www.themisunderstood.com > > > http://www.hrisikesh.com > > > http://www.hrisikesh.net > > > http://www.agt-gems.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html > > > To send an email to: > > > > > > ------ > Links > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Unsubscri\ be> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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